Agreed. Zero theme here, several have b/os of 1.5 on the market now, and I haven't seen anyone showing interest. The couple inflated b/os are irrelevant.

I don't get this site. Many players have gotten 1.5-2 buds for this hat. Outpost is down right now or I'd check the links. GOD tier heavy hat with a midish effect and we say its worth a buds?

So at 33 keys we should have a 1.27 bud number but your suggestion even comes in under that?

You would have sold this hat for a buds is what your telling me with your spread? No one would sell this hat under 1.5. If you did that was a quicksell to get out from underneath the hat.

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Theme_Unusual_List

Highest tier heavy hat going for a single bud......Lulz

Said another way. I'm ok to move the price but you will not see one of these hats move for a bud......

Poor suggestion, I personally have sold this hat for 1.6 in the past and seen others do that also. Whether you disagree with the theme or not is irrelevant as well, as there are enough out there who believe in it to make it relevant.

To Irish and Donny, were you, at any point, going to mention that you both owned this hat? That you had personal reasons, therefore, for seeing the price go up? Regardless of how much you sold it for maybe 4 or more months ago, you still haven't provided a shred of proof. Outpost is up right now, and it is pretty clear that all the ones on the market are getting pitiful offers in comparison to your striking 1.5+ bud claims.

To add to that, Irish

a) Toque is not highest tier heavy hat. The relative cost of a burning toque to a burning Dragonborn, an actual god tier, speaks volumes of this.

b) That wiki is outdated. Severely. This is the new page of the official wiki: http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Main_Page

For the record, here are the trades on outpost that are selling this hat (about 5):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3966409 (no offers so far)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3942160 (1 offer, under 1.5 bud (I can get an energy sultan for 2 buds in 2 places right now, so keep that in mind))

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4267605 (No offers, 1.5 bud b/o)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4266500 (No offers)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4214123 (1 offer, terrible though)

BTW, a theme isn't something that you need to prove to someone. It is something obvious. For this reason, the only really movie themed unusual is the ghosts ze goggles, because honestly, who hasn't heard of ghostbusters? In comparison to that, fireflies is nothing. I haven't even heard of it until now. at all

I have given my evidence. The fact that all of the ones on the market, even ones with "fair" b/os like the 1.5 bud b/o one, are either failing to get offered on, or being "lowballed" on consistently by other people. The offers speak for themselves.

"I personally have sold this hat for 1.6 in the past and seen others do that also."

I also have no interest in selling my current one for anything less than 2 buds, and many other owners seem to have no interest in selling below 1.5. When it comes to hats, it isn't just what prices are offered, but what they eventually sell for. If no one is selling for less than a price, it isn't worth less as thats the price that must be payed. Look through my old trades as well, you will see plenty of 1.5+ offers for my hat, and it is owning and having owned one previously that gives me insight on this price.

Every hat I have ever asked for a move on that I owned I put in a disclaimer that I owned the hat. check them all if you want. I bought this hat during the negotiation of the sale knowing it would take days to be looked at. When I seen the price during research I knew it was wrong. I paid 1.66 after a bit of talk down from the sellers B/O of 2. Using the links that Sjru posted.

TF2 price check. Bunch of guys that sit around and argue with each other. No links or proof. Just suggestions. Not adjusting prices they set prices. Follow that if you want. Its generally the same 5 guys posting.

2nd link - That hat is smoking. We are talking planets.

3rd link - closed. he put in a new trade

4th link - orbit fire. We are talking planets

5th link - this is the most interesting

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3966409 (no offers so far)

He put a Houwar in there. And he is selling it as a set with summer shades and a strange minigun.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3942160 (1 offer, under 1.5 bud (I can get an energy sultan for 2 buds in 2 places right now, so keep that in mind)

I would have turned that down as well. Orbit fire and one of the most over the top demo hats?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4267605 (No offers, 1.5 bud b/o)

No offer doesn't mean the price is wrong last time I checked.If so half the burning hats priced here would have to be moved.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4266500 (No offers)

No offer doesn't mean the price is wrong last time I checked.If so half the burning hats priced here would have to be moved.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4214123 (1 offer, terrible though)

Same link as the 5tth suggestion in the original post.What I feel is the most interesting.

Using smoking or orb fire can't be done here because there are FF fans that will own the hat. Look at the toque's on sale compared to the number that are available. Of all the effects there are less planets on sale at one time. At least it was 3 weeks ago.

Again, my backpack can survive any move you make. I have big boy pants on. But the new suggestion is no better than the current price point. No one will sell this hat for one bud.

If the number was 1.2 - 1.5 that is almost believable with the current offer out there on outpost. Still under IMO but having a spread of 1 bud even? Just not believable.

Not here to argue movies.

Toque is the highest tiered hat. Dragonborn was a newer hat and caught a serious amount of rage. No one actually likes the hat though. Silliest looking hat but I understand the love. No different than the backwards ballcap or fighting fedora for scout. When new stuff comes out it puts new owners in position to level the ownership field. A burning dragonborn should get more than the toque right now. There are less of them and its newer. Most owners of a burning toque don't have them on sale anyway. If there were 25 burning dragonborns I can tell you that the current price would be lower. As far as playing......Most if not all heavies I see have a toque, outdoorsman or one of the other low tiered hats that F2P has on. I see very few dragonborns on the field. And again when they do its silly.

Lets break your comment down, shall we?

[Irish]Every hat I have ever asked for a move on that I owned I put in a disclaimer that I owned the hat. check them all if you want. I bought this hat during the negotiation of the sale knowing it would take days to be looked at. When I seen the price during research I knew it was wrong. I paid 1.66 after a bit of talk down from the sellers B/O of 2. Using the links that Sjru posted.[Irish]

The fact that you bought that hat at that price doesn't matter unless other people are currently buying/have recently bought (within maybe 2 months? need some more paramaters) the hat for that price lately. I showed this through my links (AKA my evidence. You provided none). However, if you did, somehow, claim that you owned the hat, then I apologize for my accusation, since you certainly didn't say as much on this thread.

[Irish]TF2 price check. Bunch of guys that sit around and argue with each other. No links or proof. Just suggestions. Not adjusting prices they set prices. Follow that if you want. Its generally the same 5 guys posting.[Irish]

Is that not what all price checking sites are for? Collecting evidences and prices on hats through argumentation, and proofing systems? I don't really see how this makes any sense. We do in fact get our prices from current market prices we see on tf2op, or through general trading experience. While linking to proof is a much better method, can you imagine a group of maybe 20 people or so going through 3000+ threads, and doing this for everyone one of them? Sometimes, you just need to trust us. If you don't trust a PC, ask for proof. Simple as that.

However, I can tell this was not an argument for your hat at all. It was an ad hominem argument, because I am an admin of tf2pc, and you are seeking to discredit me via that. Well, tough luck, buddy, because I have banned people like you who have intentionally overpriced hats they own many times, and if you did this crap on TF2PC regularly, I would have no trouble banning you. Especially since you, again, provide ZERO evidence whatsoever (which you condemn us for, btw. Hypocrite, much?)

[Irish]2nd link - That hat is smoking. We are talking planets.[Irish]

That is the point. Smoking > planets unless themed. As I have explained, this is a pitiful theme. It is more forced than the one space pirate theme that started a 50+ rage thread on SOP.

[Irish]3rd link - closed. he put in a new trade[Irish]

K

[Irish]4th link - orbit fire. We are talking planets[Irish]

Same point as smoking. Orbit fire > planets unless themed.

[Irish]5th link - this is the most interesting

[http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3966409 (no offers so far)

He put a Houwar in there. And he is selling it as a set with summer shades and a strange minigun.[Irish]

So he made an unreasonable B/O. Big Deal.

[Irish]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3942160 (1 offer, under 1.5 bud (I can get an energy sultan for 2 buds in 2 places right now, so keep that in mind)

I would have turned that down as well. Orbit fire and one of the most over the top demo hats?[Irish]

It was meant to show that they are only getting terrible offers, at least in comparison to your price.

[Irish]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4267605 (No offers, 1.5 bud b/o)

No offer doesn't mean the price is wrong last time I checked.If so half the burning hats priced here would have to be moved.[Irish]

No, but if none of the planets toques on the markets are getting offers, what does that tell you about their popularity (especially as a themed hat?)

[Irish]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4266500 (No offers)

No offer doesn't mean the price is wrong last time I checked.If so half the burning hats priced here would have to be moved.[Irish]

See above.

[Irish]Using smoking or orb fire can't be done here because there are FF fans that will own the hat. Look at the toque's on sale compared to the number that are available. Of all the effects there are less planets on sale at one time. At least it was 3 weeks ago.[Irish]

False. There are less than 100 unusual toques for sale on TF2OP. There are 5 planets ones on TF2OP (not counting yours). There are 26 effects. Therefore, it is much more even than you think.

[Irish]Again, my backpack can survive any move you make. I have big boy pants on. But the new suggestion is no better than the current price point. No one will sell this hat for one bud.[Irish]

What the hell is this supposed to mean? IDGAF about you, or your hats. I care about the prices being right. Honestly, though, it doesn't sound like you have big boy pants on based on how much whining was in this response.

[Irish]If the number was 1.2 - 1.5 that is almost believable with the current offer out there on outpost. Still under IMO but having a spread of 1 bud even? Just not believable.[Irish]

This is basically the only point I see you are making that is valid. However, based on the current offers, and the fact I haven't seen one sell for over 1.3 at all, or even proof of such, in over two months, I have to stick with this price.

[Irish]Not here to argue movies.[Irish]

Sure seemed like it, based on how much you were promoting fireflies, a movie I never heard of outside of my convos about this particular hat.

[Irish]Toque is the highest tiered hat. Dragonborn was a newer hat and caught a serious amount of rage. No one actually likes the hat though. Silliest looking hat but I understand the love. No different than the backwards ballcap or fighting fedora for scout. When new stuff comes out it puts new owners in position to level the ownership field. A burning dragonborn should get more than the toque right now. There are less of them and its newer. Most owners of a burning toque don't have them on sale anyway. If there were 25 burning dragonborns I can tell you that the current price would be lower. As far as playing......Most if not all heavies I see have a toque, outdoorsman or one of the other low tiered hats that F2P has on. I see very few dragonborns on the field. And again when they do its silly.[Irish]

The hound dog gets more. The dragonborn gets more. It is not a matter of this "new hat effect," but about getting the price right. I don't care why it is that way, just that the price is right. This is how it should be.

Also, FYI, the ballcap has been out for nearly a year now. It still is higher tier than most scout hats, and gets more than burning tossles. So think about that when you suggest the only reason they cost more is because it is new (also, FYI, dragonborn has been out for more than 9 months now).

Just as an addendum, funny how when you want to argue themes with someone, they just say 'It is that way because it is" when you refute their points about popularity, or definition of the term "theme". Does this circular logic remind you of any group in particular? Perhaps you should think about that, and about how circular logic is wrong.

all of these comments are extremely entertaining. On a more relevant note, I agree with this price drop, although it should sell closer to 1.2 than 1 flat.

Yea, sorry about that, I don't take it very well when someone uses ad hominem in a discussion or argument, especially when it involves TF2PC in some way. However, it is pretty obvious what Irish is doing.

Donny, on the other hand, has some valid points in that if people aren't willing to sell it for 1.5, it will never go for below that again, but I doubt that all of the people selling that hat won't eventually cut their price in an attempt to sell it off faster. It's a matter of how much patience you have.

I understand the validity of his experience with the hat. However, he must understand as well that he is an owner, and that he sold off his last planets toque months ago, so it is very likely things have changed since then. In this case, I think the zero/bad offers speak for themselves.

A guy with a $300 backpack is calling me out......Let me break it down for you. And any smoker that says orb fire > planets is caught in the minutia of the game. If you think an Orb fire is heads above planets your in the wrong reality. All cancerous effects for the most part. Do you think anyone wanting a good hat puts much thought into orb fire, smoking, steaming or planets? Not really. Unless it fits the hat somehow they are run of the mill effects.

80 toques on sale. As far as I know mine isn't but whatever you say, mate. And 6 of them are planets. 12 or 13 are blizzard. The most themed of the toques. Maybe we should tell those 13 to pull back we need to reevaluate since there 4 bud buyouts are being met.

Promoting Serenity? Your the one who brought up Ghostbusters. I wasn't arguing a theme to move this hat into some realm of super bud. I'm still looking to when I said the theme makes this hat? Its a toque with a middish effect. That means more than a bud.

The hounddog....Lulz. Take that $300 backpack and that keen eye of yours and tell us how its done. I care about prices being right....Evidently you don't. Planets is a common theme for those leet unusuals you have. Do I see a planets toque in the future? I think so.......

I guess the TF2PC hit is what got you bummed out.......It'll get better. But please follow back up with those links of 1 bud sales of planets toques. I'd just like to see us "get it right".

its a high teir heavy hat with a desireble effect. I've seen people refuse 2buds for these... at least keep it as it is.