if no one offers here or buys it on that outpost trade for a while or here, its obviously a fair price, if not that than I should have lowered the price more.

well after you sold it the item went down in price. If you think its worth 5.66 then prove it by buying it for 4.33 ref

also an edit to the explanation of the trade: its also in the new crate that everyone has been unboxing, it is also craftable and droppable. The item will probably continue to drop until its about 2-3 ref like the MTP items

no I am not, I did suggest a price, I am using my own trade as an example, as the easiest proof, this way anyone who thinks: "Hey thats not the price! it can easily be sold for 5 ref!", if ANYONE really thinks that, then they WOULD take this 'deal' and then anyone who thinks its 5 ref or even above 4.33, then it would be able to easily sell at 4.33 ref. I can provide links of people buying them at this price as well: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4474098, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4476599 (not taking the offer of 1 key 1 ref) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4428815 ("bought 26") http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4373988, I might remove this just because I dont think I lowered the price enough

yeah I didnt put much effort in the explanation, and whats that about 'real proof'? this thread is the proof, I even posted a link and together that provided 2 pieces of proof.

however thats just a thought, I'm saying that its AT LEAST 2 rec less than the current price of 5 ref, this post is also an experiment to see if its worth even more than 2 rec less than the current price. AGAIN IF YOU THINK THAT THIS SUGGESTION IS WRONG YOU WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE ITEM ALREADY

also you cant fit enough in the explanation, that is just an advertisement to get people that people try to use just vote up or down without any research to get reputation, you need to have a short advertisement post that people will see and be unsure of and have to look into in order for it to be real price and not just people voting up/down for no reason. unless its obvious enough like mine, you need to have a more detailed explanation in the comments section. And even then you need to have a better explanation in the comments section. so tell me, what does it matter thats its an advertisement? thats as stupid as saying the white persons not racist for using 'black' to describe africans but calling african people racist for using the 'black' to describe africans. your saying its an advertisement because I'm advertising my trade, but not advertising other trades. all linking evidence is advertisements (now go call those people advertisers too, stop discriminating against my thread alone.)

in reply to SP farciarz: not entirely true, it should be about the low of what people sell for or in between the low of what people buy and the high of what they sell for (excluding crazy trades like key for a strange razorback)

thats not what I meant about discriminating, what I mean is this: your mad at advertisements, however I am saying that everyone advertises and your getting mad at me for advertising my own trade. So tell me, why is it bad to advertise your own trade? your the one who is moderating the price suggestion, its not like its false evidence or anything, its only immediate evidence, this is kinda funny how you argue, the more you try to exploit flaws the more my side gets stronger, it makes me want to have a small description more often.

reply to your edit: so you really dont have any reason why its bad? you are only stating your opinion that you dont like advertisements but you still dont go on other posts because they are different meaning that you are discriminatory against MY suggestion because it advertises. if it didnt advertise anything than it would merely be like your statement of "I think it's 4.33 ref"

yes thats why I said that I dont think I lowered the price enough, I only set it to the lowest selling price I found on outpost (I didnt search much) and not the price of the buyers. so if anyone thinks this is too high make another suggestion, this is just because the price is too high now, it needs to be lowered, and if anyone disagrees with it being lowered then they can buy at 4.33