How is it an overpay when the seller is not willing to take it? Sellers and Buyers both determine market values. I realize there are other trading sites, but please go ahead and check. sourceop has not had a listing for one for months, and r/tf2trade does not have listings either. So you're telling me that people who have never dealt with the hat in question know the price better than someone who was in the market to buy one, and then sell one? I thought prices were what people were willing to pay and willing to sell for. If a guy was offering over the highest value on backpack.tf's pricing and could not buy one, then how should the price be lower than that? The only one I've seen on the market besides those two was the one I was selling.