Suggestion: Vintage Bill's Hat at 51 keys

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~34.5 keys

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325 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 13 Nov 12 20:37:59 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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Prices here don't go just by stats, they go by what people are actually paying for them on trade sites.

Prices aren't made just because of rarity? Prices aren't made just because of rarity. Prices aren't made just because of rarity!

Nope. no proof and u have one.

its all about demand, there are even less of other items, and they dont go for 3 buds

Someone show me an item that is more rare is costs less.

by clasification, the ebenezer, the bmoc, the big kill, and the g. set with the jefe/maul. Oh, and the football manager 2012 stuff.

I meant compared to the v. bills all of those have higher numbers than v. bills.

You are not going to get this price accepted just because there is a few in the game. People on TF2Outpost have been trying to sell for 2 Buds, but have no luck.

The price should stay, and you should remove this suggestion. (Before you lose more Rep)

the most i can get is -5 i'm pretty sure i've reached that

Well, comparitevly to selling from outpost, there are only 3 pages of people selling g. mauls, and 2 pages of people selling g. el jefe's. Alternitavely, there are 5 pages of people selling v. bills.

does that affect the amount in game? no, it doesnt...

The uncraftable sun on a stick.

The uncraftable coupe.

Evey other store bought item.

there are only 20 n&b magnificent monglians, but they go for less than 2 bills

http://backpack.tf/unusuals/313/Magnificent_Mongolian

according to your logic, they should be worth more than max heads too

those are unusuals...

They're still items.

Just stop and delete the suggestion, please.

I suspect you're trying to drive up the price as you have one in your bp

Lol vintage bills are a hard sell as is. Everyone is trying to get 2 buds, but no one is willing to buy it at 2 buds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4089141

He had his up for 2 weeks and still no buyer. Downvote.

I thought after today announcement It would wake most of you up.

Guess not.

1.5-1.7 maybe

You don't understand trading.

Don't forget about fact that Max head looks like piece of shit and ruins every loadout

Yeah and theres close to 40,000 buds, yet buds dont cost 5 keys each.

It's an accessory, the demands are different.

It's more about the 'stored value' in the item actually. Most everyone has had to pay 17-29 keys to get Earbuds; most everyone has had to pay 40-45 keys for Vintage Bill's Hat.

The sellers trying to get 2 buds have bought these hats for 40-45 keys and are trying to profit. Some do, most don't, but the 'stored value' in a Vintage Bill's hat is about 40-45 keys for the vast majority.

This could go up if the item increases in demand somewhat, sort of like Earbuds, but I haven't seen that happen quite yet.

I both 'sold' a black Vintage Bill's Hat for 45 keys worth of value on an unusual trade, and bought another TS Vintage Bill's Hat for 44 actual keys, all within six hours yesterday.

Hard as F to sell 2 buds.. Almost impossible

Downvote

this is true.

i was just looking at value from a rarity point of view.

this site goes by actual selling prices, not rarity.

I think someone just wanted to hike prices before he sold his hat.

Rarity doesnt dictate price

You only want this to be 2 buds since you have one and no one actually buys them at the price of 2 buds, downvote.

Well, there are more genuine freedom staffs than max heads, doesn't meet they are more expensive. However, I do agree that vintage bill's hat should cost more. Most sellers sell it for over 2 buds, most buyers still don't know the price and offer 30-45 keys and to me that is just silly. Upvote.

You are an idiot

your post was helpful...

As useful as your suggestion

not really...

actually clever's post is more accurate and more useful than this suggestion

Downvoted. Got offered V.Bills + 10 keys for 2 buds a few days ago.

These are falling in price, hard. Not increasing. Nearly impossible to sell.

anybody realize that these sites set the price anyways? like.. nobody is buying at 2 buds.. but thats cause this website says it is 1.7-1.9 buds.. if this website said that a v. bills was 2 buds.. you would see people start buying them for 2 buds.. it's like when the current spike in key price occurred. If spreadsheet and backpack hadn't made the price up to 3 refined, maybe it would have been harder to get keys, but people would have kept buying and selling for 2.66. Like my issue is you guys say that nobody is buying for 2 buds, but it is precisely because the price has been arbitrarily set at 1.7-1.9 buds. in reality max's head should be cheaper than v. bills on account of there being more of them and that they look like shit. but because one day the price was arbitrarily set for max's to be above a v. bills. Everybody buys and sells for that random price. This micro economy is filled with people who don't realize that the price doesn't depend on what people buy and sell at. the price depends only on what these pricing websites sell, because that's what people are going to sell at. or if they want a quicksell they sell cheaper. if they want to wait a month to sell they'll sell for more. then some user will find all the people who were trying to quickly sell, submit them here, and the price of the item will magically drop.

No, and this item is a perfect example of why not: If there was any sort of demand for this item, the price would shoot up quickly, as there's not many of them at all available. As it stands, there's not too many buyers and not too many sellers. Sellers want 2 buds, buyers want 1.5 or whatever, and therefore it sells for somewhere in the middle. Sometimes at 1.5, sometimes at 2, but the huge majority is somewhere in the middle, decided by both the buyer and seller at the time the trade takes place.

backpack.tf suggests this price is 1.7-1.9 due to past trades for the item, but the price could easily swing up or down.

If the poster above saying they're falling 'hard' was correct, you would see sales for 1 bud, etc. You don't, and it isn't, and he's lying, and you can tell if you look.

Thinking that price guides set prices isn't correct at all, you look at the market to determine prices. This is just a shortcut, a time saver, an easy way to quickly figure an average value of an item, and the average value of this item is not 2 buds.

Ebenezer is a prime example of spreadsheet/backpack.tf not having a large effect on the economy. When the price was listed as 10-10.5 keys here not many traders were finding buyers at that price.

Downvoted: lack of evidence if the item is hard or easy to sell at this price.

No proof, it usually goes for 1.5-1.8, and everything else aint worth diddly squat in your inventory.

If we were to go by your logic on rarity, then the vintage bills would be worth more than a H.O.U.W.A.R. Downvoted.

Well

One of them is a bunny

The other is a beret.

Exactly!!! Thank you.

The reason I dont think vintage bills get the same as max's is because you can go buy a normal non vintage bills for alot less and it looks the same, You would need a vintage collector or someone who just wanted it because of the 'vintage' text, not just someone who wanted it for the look of the hat.

See most people will just not worry and wear a normal bills.

The TF2 Trading has an economy, Every Economy relies one two things.

Supply, and Demand.

People will supply them for 2 buds, and people will demand them for 2 buds. Nobody is moving an inch. It doesn't matter how rare an item is. If there is only 10,000 1996 Camry in the world, it does not make it worth a million dollars. Its Still a Camry.

I have no idea where I'm going with this metaphor anymore.

ITS FUNNY HOW YOU HAVE A VINTAGE BILLS IN YOUR BP :D

There are 13,707 ebenezers, 14,516 B.M.O.C.s, and 51,285 buds.

Notice a trend?

Why are so many people hating on max heads in this suggestion? ;V

They don't look like shit, they're kewt ~

yeah i agree

pricing isn't just based on rarity. It's based on market demand. It's pretty hard to sell a V.Bills for 2 buds. It's nice you posted stats links but not actual market trade links. Downvote

LOL

whut.....

Rarity means a lower supply, and will make the item more valuable than it was if the item itself was more common. But you cannot simply compare rarity of items 1:1 to each other, it doesn't work that way.

Sadly, the community doesn't work like that. Rarity doesn't equal price. The Ebenezer,despite being rarer than the B.M.O.C, is only 7 or 8 keys, whilst the B.M.O.C. is nearly a Buds in price. It's just the way the world goes 'round.

The low demand of this hat in vintage quality speak for itself.

Sellers are struggling to sell it for 2 buds and many prefer to buy Max's instead.

Downboat.

Any slow-moving item like this has a wide price dispersion. I'd downvote any suggestion that isn't a range.

Demand makes the price not rarity.........

I sold one yesterday after looking for good offers for 1.75 buds. 2 buds is unreal.

The only way to get 2 buds for this is to add keys. That's what I did. Actually I added keys and got a max head and traded that for 2 buds. Selling a vintage bills straight over for 2 buds is nearly impossible.

suggestion ------> close the trade fast... untill then... free rep.

no no no no no no NUMBERS DO NOT MATTER

Its 90% demand, why do you think buds and max's are worth so much?

http://backpack.tf/unusuals/48/Mining_Light there are 28 green confetti mining lights

http://backpack.tf/unusuals/378/Team_Captain there are 30 smoking team captains

supply < demand

You have one. Sup.

Lack of proof. Needs DEMAND to go up in price, not the rarity of it. Rarity sometimes dictates the demand, but in this case the demand is the same as it was before.

No sorry, no proof and you have one in ur inventory. Downvote.

they used to be worth 2 buds but now they went down in price. ppl have b/o of 2 and many have offers of 1.5 buds pure

Then if glitched MvM items worthed a lot due to their rarity they would worth H.O.U.W.A.R's. Downvoted.

No. Because there are a lot more normal bills hats out there.

Easy downvote. Just to let you know, just because something is rare doesn't mean it is more valuable. Rarity =/= value.

got to agree with others ... also hard to sell even at current price.

dont forget to link to the stats on the regular bills hat!

I have been looking into buying a Vintage Bill's these last couple days. If someone is selling one for less than 2 buds, I ain't found it yet.

Still, not the best sources you have there.

Doesnt work that way, no proof and you only seek to get profit.

But no one is willing to pay 2 buds for it. It's only use is for collectors, because there is a Unique quality version of it. Maxes which are generally accepted as 2 buds are already in Unique quality, they can't get any lower in quality.

Asking for 2 buds doesn't mean you'll get 2 buds, and rarity is not the sole dictator of value