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More 2.88s from the first page on outpost:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6883243

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6933795

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6929866

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6908402

Guy paying 3:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6945387


Here are failed trades from outpost for 2.77 (first page):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4786338

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6915050

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6419154

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5803748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6560238

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6728997


These were all from the first page and a half on outpost (links in the "proof section" of the suggestion were gathered before this comment. All in this comment were from the first page). None of the tf2finance stuff.

    I was gonna downvote, then I realized that it wasn't a troll suggestion. Neutral for now (need more conclusive proof of almost nobody buying/selling for 2.77 anymore).


    EDIT: I put this up before you commented. Upvote, nice work!

      Might want to rethink that.

        Convince me. I don't really see a ton of people actually selling to 2.77 buyers anymore...

          Statistics.


          It is known that people DO buy for 3 refined. I can guarantee over 250 sales this week at 2.94 myself. BUT, the average according to TF2 finance is 2.89. That means for every 3 refined sale, there is roughly equal number of 2.77 refined sales. And if NOBODY is selling for 2.77, you have to sell 110 @ 2.88 for every 10 sold at 3.00 in order to get an average of 2.89.

            Okay, not trying to start an argument (arguement?) here, so I'm gonna revert to neutral for the time being (again, conclusive proof either way).

      I'll be the one to do it!


      2.89 average: http://tf2finance.com/keys/


      Also, it's taking me MUCH longer to sell keys @ 2.94 on outpost than it was. And that's probably the cheapest price you can find on outpost. Price is starting to drop.

        No! Not tf2finance! *screams in agony* *dies*

          You can't base key prices on outpost. EVER.


          If we did, keys would be 10 refined each right now. Outpost is always nothing but highballers when it comes to keys. Even when keys were 2.55, it was almost impossible to buy them for less than 2.66 on outpost.

            Dude I just sold 18 keys instantly. 6 on a server.

              For?


              /10char

                Really? That's why you only have 9 refined in your backpack?


                You don't have to lie.


                Oh...what's this? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6944051


                You had 3 keys. And you've sold 2 in 3 hours.


                18...instantly? HA

                  I bought a big kill and a unusual lol.


                  Also, I have an alt account I use to sell keys so yeah.

                    Keep digging.


                    Did you buy your 1 bud or 2 bud unusual with that 18 keys worth of refined? You know, because if I was going to buy an unusual, I would totally sell my keys for refined first.


                    Because according to your BP history, you traded a BMOC and a few keys for the 1 bud unusual on the 8th of December and you've had the 2 bud unusual for quite some time. And you've had the big kill since at least October.


                      We dig dig dig in our mine the whole day thro - BALROG!

                        Is that how you try to make us believe you aren't lying? Please don't provide fake info.

                          Hello sir Robin, please view my previous comments. I would be happy to provide my alt account as well.

                  Point taken.

                  I still don't know whether to downvote, because keys are going up (however slightly)...

                Well, now it's 2.93 ref.

                You see, the thing is with these key proofs is that many sellers do not comment before trading away the keys for metal.


                I used to sell keys and no one said, "Added" in my trades before adding me and trading me. You have to take these trades with a grain of salt.


                Personally, I do believe that these 2.77 refined key buyers do not get much business often, but who are we to say that they do not without trade histories. I want to see those more than a post on TF2Outpost.

                  Downvoting your suggestion because you lied about how many keys you sold.

                    Not lying. Bought an unusual and a big kill.

                      It seems you used Bills hats to buy those, not keys.

                        Actually used a BMOC for the cheap unusual. Has had the hair for quite some time. Big Kill was bought a long time ago as well. Checked as far back as October.

                          No I sold the big kill and the v. luger for a v. bills along with the beemer and ebbie which then got sold for other things. Check the history on the item.

                            I'm not wasting any more time with this.

                              Okay so I had a big kill, a vluger, a bmoc, 2 keys, and an ebbie. Sold all of them for a V. Bills and it for 4 different bills and 2 ebbies. Sold the ebbies for keys for ref and the traded the bills to this one guy who had the unusual I wanted as well as a big kill so I bought both. Had 3 keys left over. I'm friends with my alt and have a link too.

                    Not sure about this. Whilst its true that buyers are happy to set up trades with 2.88 as their paying price, keeping the wider range is alot safer as I do believe whilst its still slightly harder, 2.77 can be achieved with a some waiting. For now, I wont vote.

                      I agree i mean 2.77 isn't a bad price but more people tend to sell 2.88 and then get sold pretty fast.

                        I've been buying at 2.77 and it's been slow. However I do still get Keys sold to me daily on outpost. Take that as you will since I'm not voting on Keys since that's something none of us should be allowed to vote on. On top of that, there is far too much personal spin on this item to price correctly.

                          Damn who are you buying from, I need a guy.

                            Just pop onto a trade server. BANG! There's your keys for 2.77.

                              Trading servers sellers >>> TF2OP "quicksellers"

                                What's with all the new people, with nothing in their backpacks, saying things that they know nothing about lately?


                                Let me teach you. No. In fact, most people on servers loath OP and spreadsheets of any kind. The word 'quicksell' doesn't exist on trade servers.

                          Didn't this exact price get turned down yesterday? Anyway, I'm going to say it again.


                          1) Yes, 3 Ref sales do happen. but thats a part of the current range AND the suggested range, and both are the high end. And since you're only changing the low end of the range, 3 Ref trades aren't relevant to this suggestion at all.

                          2) The current average is 2.89 (oh noooooo, averages.) As mentioned, unless an extremely large amount of people are selling at 2.88, there must be a pretty decent amount of trades happening at 2.77.

                          3) Alot of people who are selling keys on sites like outpost wont post if they accept a buyer's price.

                            On point 2, the current average is now 2.97 ref. How does that change things?

                              This person, http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/50604 , is literally buying all the 3 ref keys and reselling them at a higher price. That is such a bs move.

                                This person may just be an inexperienced trader (without offense). Traders will buy low and sell high, not sell high and sell higher. This trader is the exception and should not be considered. In fact I may sell him my keys to just buy more at 2.66 and 2.77 which i find readily on trade servers.

                            There's so many people wanting to pay 2.88. 2.77 is wishful thinking but not part of the range. Everyone, their grandpas, and their grandmas would jump to get 2.77 keys.

                              [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6793102[/url]

                              [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6951237[/url]

                              [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6816461[/url]


                              First frickin page of people looking for keys. Guys please don't disappoint me again.


                              When you have so many people with open trades BUYING at 2.88, there's no reason to keep 2.77 in the range. Sure it may happen every now and then, but so does 2.66. I'm sure 2 keys for 5 ref still happens in some dark corners of tf2. 2.77 does not happen often enough to represent the low end.

                                Exactly.


                                While I do not want to jump on the TF2 finance bandwagon, it says an average of 2.92. If there were no 2.77s, it would be 2.94. I think that's pretty damn close.

                                i do sell for 2.77 if that helps but i only do so for my own cyrcle of ppl! i provide the wholr tf2.gr community less though i shold for them at 2.66 and i will keep doing that as i can afford to give better prices to my members i do have a stock (in alt accounts ofcourse cause i just cant fit them all in one)of around 6000 keys and provide the greek community with more than 200 keys daily well keep rissing the price of those tools you are making tf2.gr users very very happy ..yhanks in advance for your efforts!

                              If taking off the bottom range of any item, please make sure to prove that sales at at the bottom end - in this case 2.77-2.88 ref - do not happen. Proving the high end does not help.

                                Just become a moderator already.


                                ...and get off the top contributor's list. What? Who said that?

                                  I'm actually younger than you :3

                                    Your younger than 16? Well I'll be damned.

                                      you're*


                                      10char

                                        I'm 16. Watchu gon' do'bout eet. I gramma how I plz.

                                          Yeye bro we from the hood but we play tf2 and make price suggestions yo

                                            Entire pyramid comment is babies (literally).

                                this is crazy how the keys are going higher than 2.55 when you can buy them from the mann co store for 2.55 -.- DOWNVOTING

                                  Nobody said each Refined is locked to $1

                                    Buying all your keys for 2.55- no, I'll go one better. Buying all your keys for 2.66


                                    Buying keys at 2.88 as well.

                                    Can we go one damn day without a f***in key price change suggestion I meen this same thing was shotdown...yesterday, downvote.

                                      The ones closed had no proof. I have an absurd amount of proof from the FIRST PAGE.

                                          Dude, you linked the search. Not the trade.

                                            I fixed it.

                                              Yeah, he's sold out.

                                            Better check that last comment.

                                              Wow, that was like 30 seconds after I visited it

                                              He gets sold out 2 minutes after everytime he restocks though. There are always kind people out there.

                                                OMG MY TRADE IS ON HERE! I'm so flattered XD. Yea I try to restock every 2 days but for the next week finals takes over. I will continue to sell at this price however so I don't think this 2.88 - 3 Ref increase affects me

                                              WHY WOULD U CHANGE THE PRICE OF KEYS

                                              THEY HAVE ALWAYS STAY THE SAME

                                              so yeah definite downvote

                                                People need to get their thumbs out of their asses.

                                                Upvoted.

                                                  you took yours out and thumbed this up XD jklol

                                                  Downvoted

                                                    Weren't you the guy who was banned on Outpost for scamming people and telling them you'd smelt their keys into 3 refined?

                                                    Hmm.

                                                      hmm yea 2 months ago and all logical people would see that i put twists to my trades and i refered to medieval times and a scam was un-intentional by ALL means. oh btw calm down i was joking, sorry if i offended you.

                                                        I thought it was a Cash4Gold joke, but others pointed out that it could be construed that you were asking for the keys upfront, THEN retrading after the "smelting process".


                                                        Didn't seem like anything more than "buying 2 keys for 5 ref" to me. It's funny what tf2op chooses to ban for; I can shark people out of items but if I post on another trade that I'm "selling this exact item for one key less", I will get in trouble.


                                                        Also, the trade in question if anyone cares: http://tf2outpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/keys.html

                                                          Honestly i dont think i should have gotten banned for wording the trade a little differently. But if you look at my "Hugs for Slugs" trade you can clearly see that i put stories or little fun things in my trade descriptions. I'd like to see what other people think and thats an awesome website.

                                                          PLEASE DISCUSS THIS ON THE LINK ABOVE WE DONT WANT TO FLOOD THIS SUGGESTION WITH UNNECESARY DISCUSSION. Thank you!

                                                  Upvoted, had extreme difficulty buying for 2.77. Looks like keys are in a period of continuous appreciation for now.

                                                    This is what you get for basing the prices on outpost key resellers. Its always 1 scrap more then market value, then you base the prices on outpost, see what happens,

                                                      The rather large number of people desperate to buy for 2.88 kinda shows something.

                                                      if no one sells for 3.11 but everyone buys for 2.88 then this price fits the market.

                                                      Keys are rising but people with cheap backpacks just auto downvote

                                                        buds are now 27-28keys

                                                        so 2.77 should be cool

                                                          thumb up I say people buying at 2.88 before.

                                                            While I completely agree with this price, I'm not going to vote, because I try to refrain from voting on key price suggestions

                                                              A guy was selling 2.66 .-. Too bad I didn't buy any from him 2 days ago.

                                                                It's stupid to keep changing the values of keys. This massive sudden increase from 2.44 to almost 3 is incomprehensible. More metal on the market? Keys/metal are the two most ready available items in the game, they should be standardized value as much as possible.


                                                                By changing the value of keys, all of a sudden, you're throwing the economy into disarray and allowing people who aren't nonstop on top of prices to be ripped off.


                                                                Changing the values of keys, constantly, is the perfect way to kill the economy entirely and then in the end EVERYONE gets screwed.


                                                                Downvote all changes to keys unless absolutely necessary. Backpack CREATES prices for items, it doesn't just inform people on what's "fair"

                                                                  This is plain false statements and, pardon me, idiocy. Yes, this si plain idiot.


                                                                  This has already been proven and discussed last month : BPTF does not influence the price of keys/metal. It has it's own logic, and doesn't care about BPTF. Ask base64 about that.


                                                                  That's why some can sell keys at 3.33 and some others can buy at 2.66, but since this range is too wide, suggestion submitters tend to narrow it down.


                                                                  Keys and metal are NOT to be standardized, because no currency is actually standardized to be set at a fixed price. They are valued from a currency to another. And fixing one relation between 2 currency is not logical : it's like fixing the team captain at 3 winter noisemakers.

                                                                  Just look at the $/€ exchange rate.


                                                                  And then please, don't speak like you are a veteran from old days saying keys suddenly increased, like it never increased before. Check out [url]http://tf2finance.com[/url] to see that there was much higher increases before.

                                                                  The great inflation of key prices are being so damn ridiculous im seeing trades selling keys for 3.11 to 3.33 on Outpost its so stupid i'd rather have the old price of 2.66 for keys

                                                                    fucking


                                                                    stop


                                                                    one every fucking day almost

                                                                      I know right its getting riddicilus, there needs to be a block...

                                                                      WHY CAN'T THE KEY BE 2.55 LIKE IT ALWAYS WAS?!

                                                                        because the idoits keep inflating the price because of the "key demand"

                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6966971


                                                                        3 ref was instant sale. i was testing how keys sold at 3 ref.


                                                                        http://puu.sh/1Ab75


                                                                        i had 3 adds same time all wanted all 3 keys. but i kept it fair and gave only 1 to each. had to insta close the trade.

                                                                          Well i put my 14 keys for sale at outpost like 5 minutes ago for 3 refined each.


                                                                          I only have one now ._. its almost instant sale.

                                                                            Anyone would that is willing to boycott against key and hate the raising price Join this boycott http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tgkb

                                                                              thats price manipulation.


                                                                              and good luck buying and selling things you guys want

                                                                              I'd hold off on this- In Market beta keys are going for ~1.5 USD each.

                                                                                That is more than 3 refined and not many have been sold for that from what I have seen.

                                                                                There are no offers under $1.70 right now.

                                                                                Backpack shows the price range that items are Currently being traded at. Right now more keys are selling at 3 refined than any other price point. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes!!!

                                                                                Just search outpost - Soon it will be cheaper to buy them from the store!

                                                                                I really wonder when people say that they have been buying keys for 2.77 each daily on outpost. I had put up couple of keys for sale for 2.88 each, and they went in a flash. When it came to buy some keys back, after a day of scouting I barely managed to pick some keys (5-6), tough competition there too, luckily managed to beat fellow key hunters by seconds. To all people boasting about 2.77 key price I would request posting some links to help all fellow traders out.

                                                                                  Agreed. I have quite a bit of proof and those arguing against me are just saying hurrdurrdontraisekeys.

                                                                                  I was reading the posts before this post of mine. Its funny how people are asking for proof. The quick and easy way is to just scout trade servers and heaps of trading websites. To all those people arguing 2.77 keys price, would they sell themselves any key for 2.77? If they do please post the links below. Its easy to have a big mouth then generous hands.

                                                                                    I SAY "NO!" TO INFLATION STOP THIS MADNESS NOW!

                                                                                      I agree. And hate that situastion... too.


                                                                                      At one time weapons are not began to fall more. And metal to forge we do not have more. This is just resellers time. And I hope, their income will soon burn.

                                                                                        Anyway I hope this: http://steamcommunity.com/market/?snr=1_41_4__42 will change situation

                                                                                          Holy crap! The price of keys is rising like crazy on beta as well! $1.81 is the best price right now. That's over 4.18 refined! And then there is the 5% transaction fee on top of that.

                                                                                            Actually I bought there 2 for 1.07. The question is who buy keys for 1.79 or 1.96, or 11.5$ ))) ? ;)

                                                                                              Yeah they were cheap earlier today but have been checking it ever so often. Now it is 1840 starting at $1.75".

                                                                                              "The question is who buy keys for 1.79 or 1.96, or 11.5$"

                                                                                              People who normally buy them for $2.49 in the Mannco store.

                                                                                                You were lucky to buy 2 for that price. Cheap prices couldn't even last 1-5 seconds.

                                                                                        Ermegerd, http://tf2finance.com/keys now shows 2.95 ref.

                                                                                          If there were no 2.77s, tf2finance would show 2.94.

                                                                                            Now it's 2.96, which means 3 ref sales are getting more common than 2.88. And if there were 2.77 ref sales, they would have been negated by 3.11 sales.

                                                                                              Tf2finance, because it updates live, doesn't actually prove much. In 24 hours, the price can hop from 2.9-2.94. What's interesting is that after a recent dip to ~2.88, the price started climbing, and fast. Seems like everyone is trying to stock up for something, perhaps the new steam market.


                                                                                              Guessing the steam market is what will finally end refined metal trading, at least as far as keys go.


                                                                                              I'm neutraling on this vote, mostly because if I decide to take a side it will probbably be inaccurate within a week no matter which one I pick.

                                                                                                We're not polling on what the price may or not be in the future but what the current price is If people voted because they thought the price might change then no one would vote. The prices change all the time.

                                                                                                  The only point to trading on the beta market is if you want a steam game. Other than that there is really no reason to. If we're going to get into predicting the future, then the price of keys will most likely rise because the only items you can sell at the moment are paints, keys, and crates. With keys getting the most action.

                                                                                                Now: 1 Key = 2.97 Refined

                                                                                                it may be worth that, but no one is wiling to sell for 2.77

                                                                                                2.88 is a good price to sell, and buy. but ranges are always there, so 2.88-3 should be it. good idea to change it

                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6978056 that guys buying keys for 3 ref. Props to him

                                                                                                    I am a collector of OLV's (olv = odd leveled vintage) weps. I sell keys quite regularly. Enough that i have 5-6 regular customers that changed over from selling me OLV's to buying keys from me because i sell them for 2.77. They normally buy 20-30 keys each. They are very happy with my price and tell me that i should raise my price to 2.88 and no more. I understand that they don't want to tell me to raise my price to high because that would be shooting themselves in the foot. So, i don't know which way to go on this one. It would make the TF2 math formula's (lol) easier if the price for a key was 3 ref but in the back of my mind i'm saying that is to high for keys. My experience says 2.88 - 2.99 should be the range. If needed i can give user names of my customers for reference and proof. Still don't know if i agree on the suggestion or not.

                                                                                                      If the listed price for keys will rise to 3 Ref, people try to sell them for 3.33 Ref. It doesn't really matter how high the price is, the most sellers want more and more. Some sellers take 3 Ref for a key instead of 2.66 for selling hats/items. That just lowers the metal price.


                                                                                                      sorry for my bad english

                                                                                                        Listed prices do not affect sellers prices at all. That was already discussed several times on here.

                                                                                                        Keys were 1.22 back in times. Not bashing your experience though.

                                                                                                          wouldn't that be nice now just for a little while. lol

                                                                                                            Unfortunately, wishes are different from reality :/ : Buyers are already out stocking sellers for 3 refs, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the price increase to 3.33.

                                                                                                          2.99 = 3 lol

                                                                                                          Wowowow, what happenned? Keys Jumped to a 3 ref average today! [url]http://tf2finance.com/keys/[/url]


                                                                                                          And buds fell down!

                                                                                                          [url]http://tf2finance.com[/url]


                                                                                                          Is it a card cash out?

                                                                                                            You can thank the new Steam Market. It's just the beginning.


                                                                                                            Keys will be 4 ref by 2013.

                                                                                                            This is fucking madness. There is no other way to put it. Keys were at 2.55 for as long as i could remember, but after halloween people started going crazy on the price. Someone be brave and suggest 2.55 ref.