Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 3.22–3.33 ref

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~57.22 ref

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This suggestion was closed Thu, 27 Dec 12 13:11:00 +0000 by neverclever.

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you're braver than I. It's been tough to get them at 3.22 lately, upvoted

you'd probably need more proof just saying. 4 trades isn't enough

I just grabbed the first few trades I saw at that cost, there are pages of people selling for 3.33 and above

According to outpost this is right. Finance seems to be outdated (22 dec).~

As always I'm not gonna upvote any key suggestion.

You dont want to see this:[url]http://stats.tf/item/5628/Mann_Co._Supply_Crate_Key[/url]

wat http://stats.tf/item/5021/Mann_Co._Supply_Crate_Key

You spoiled the surprise!You are monster.

They've went down 10,000 keys since the Market opened. Was at 399,000 the day it opened.

Inaccurate. it was at 400000 before the market, and the keys are only decreased because everyone is in a rush to buy naughty keys in hopes to unbox strange festives

But that shouldn't cause keys to go from ~400k to 4k because regular keys aren't used with festive crates other than in trades.

So either stats.tf data is off/wrong or a bunch of keys are in private backpacks or a whole lot of crates (54/55?) were opened.

I think it is a combination of 1 and 2, in my opinion. It would make sense to stockpile keys in alt accounts to ensure the keys are grossly inflated, and one thing that goes against stats.tf is that they can't count items that are in private backpacks.

Accurate. The thing you don't notice is that the amount of keys should have continued to grow at their normal rate to keep up with the growing amount of refined. Refined has continued to grow while the amount of keys has dropped.

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

Seems to me they're going for less than a ref. Every time someone highballs a scrap above the price on OP we don't need a price change.

Finance seems to be outdated (22 dec).~

what if i told you... it's outdated by 3 days

Actually 4 days in 1 hour. Anyway it couldn't be used as counterproof now, since the price could have raised that much.

that's true. who knows what the "average" would be if it updated now.

this is true, they are easily sellable at 3.33 but i dont know if the community is going to like this

For the good of the traders, buy keys for 2.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6133063

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7368312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6869606

Just because people are trying to buy for 2.66 doesn't make the price 2.66.

I could post a trade for 1 ref : 1 key, doesn't make that the price if nobody sells

Im trying to get people to start selling and buying at lower prices, instead of whining

That first guy bought like 4

This guy bought 28

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6850509

The first post on his trade is amusing. :)

1. Fake

2. 2 weeks ago

3. lol

Yup Finance died... I've been selling for 3.33 for a few days now. 3.11 is pretty much not happening in terms of buying, I'm buying 3.22 now and trying to sell at 3.44 because my keys fly like hot cakes @ 3.33.

I sold a few keys earlier today at 3.22. If this range were true, I would've sold them REALLY quickly (like 2.55 keys did when the range was 2.55-2.66, if you're selling at the low range of keys, you pretty much get a hundred friend requests). But this was not the case, I believe I sold two of those keys in one hour.

Simply put, if selling at the low end of the range for an item such as keys, you would be sold out almost instantly, and since this is not the case, I beleive the current range is just fine.

Just adding to this, I just went to buy some keys at 3.11, and I got three friend requests in about a minute. Pretty much just confirms the current range even further for me.

Where? I'll buy like 40 keys from whoever was selling for 3.11 to you.

I will show you my trade history to prove it was done (but I'm blacking out usernames because you can do your own damn trading. It took me about two minutes, its really not that hard.). http://i.imgur.com/0qIvb.png?1

The second guy had 6 keys to sell, but as you can tell by my use of weapons, I was out of metal.

Also, when I later needed metal, I tried to sell one of said keys for 3.22 and didn't sell it within an hour, so I had to sell it for 3.11. 3.22 is hardly the low end of the range.

That picture's broken.

Its working just fine for me, but sure, I re-uploaded it. http://i.imgur.com/UEqJv.png

I just bought 9 @ 3.11 on outpost. So...going to have to disagree.

Sometimes, I think that the losers who are hoarding keys are deliberately hoarding their keys just to brag on their backpack size. Bravo, jackasses, you made your backpack of items that valve can take away from you at any time worth a lot more. Oh so smart of you.

Why is it that these key prices will continue to be upovoted when the mods absolutely REFUSE to listen to anyone posting their displeasure and upvote them anyway. The last person who made the price suggestion was banned from trading before he made the suggestion, That same person has a steam rep caution on steamrep.com, courtesy of Reddit. And yet it was accepted anyway.

I am done trying to tell you guys logic when HURR DURR SUPPLY AND DEMAND, HURR DURR LIMITED EDITION PROMO, and HURR DURR YOU WON'T FIND IT CHEAPER is the only thing the people holding keys will say. Sometimes, it feels like talking to a brick wall.

Most people have keys because they are currency...but sure, whatever you say.

I agree, the price of a key should be 1 key. there are key ranges on this site

Mods accepted the last suggestion because there were many buyer trades at 3.22 and other proof.

PS: And it doesn't really matter what the person is able to do, that is none of our buisness. Also it's just a caution and no mark (all marked scammers are unable to do anything on this site). And btw he has mostly done a good work on this site.~

To clear all the rumors: He has a reddit caution because he got banned on reddit for calling some traders lowballers and such things and then he bypassed their bans multiple times with multiple accounts. He is unable to trade because he deactivated steam guard, but he activated it again and he will be able to trade tomorrow.

I don't think he lied at me about that and as you can see, there is no reason why someone should be "afraid" to trade with him.~

Calm down, don't worry and be happy. It'll probably stop at the five refined mark in a year or two. Then the Market's price will be close to $2.50 and all will be good.

Might as well raise the price to 3 keys for a key. Yes my key is worth 3 of yours.

i said that exact thing in a recent price suggestion on keys not too long ago, and i agree its getting to that.

it is and its getting ridiculous how many of these key suggestions get downvoted to hell but the admins still accept it. With hundreds of people down voting such suggestions why would they accept it? there is no point in voting then.

No voting is to help admins. When you vote you're suppose to go look at trades and come up whether or not suggestion is true. In the case of keys votes are subjected to what prove favors the voter and they don't really matter so admins go price check and then decide.

so then why have a suggestion for keys at all, so If I suggest 3.22 or 3.33 and pull some crap out of my ass then would that be accepted too?

If that "crap out of your ass" are links to successful trades and higher offers then yes. And if anyone goes and looks around and sees that "crap" is true then it'll be accepted.

I've been buying keys at 3.22 on outpost:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7306852

People keep coming and selling them, I bought the last one seconds ago. I know that 3.22 falls in the proposed range but it also falls in the existing range. Not sure why we need to change the existing range then.

Your comment is old and so is your trade but I just saw it and had a good laugh at "You're getting too greedy bro, think of christmas" Nice :P

I want to go back in time. The time when keys were sold at 2.33.

I want to go back when keys were < 2 ref

When the keys were released, I was buying them for a 1 ref each ^^

It's all about the community. A random dude comes up with like "Hurr I like keys and Im gonna make em 3.33!" Then a random dude comes up, sees like oh I'll buy one. And I'll sell it for 4 ref! PROFIT! Hurrr Durr then another group comes up. Guys lets buy a lot and bullcrap around! PROOOOFIT. This is how it goes.

Dudes, Y U NO UNDERSTAND??? if u keep on increasing it here, people will increase it on oupost, and then u increase it here again, poeple will further try to increase it, lets just keep it stable for some time, DONT INCREASE, save the community.

We are not dictating or manipulating prices, we're reflecting them. Does nobody understands that? :(

yes, i understand what u mean, but if we keep "reflecting" them according to outpost(specially an item like key) the price will always go up, i just want the price to be stable for some time. The community is already disturbed cuz of the increase.

the worst thing is, that it wasent a gradual increase

Here's what I see every time I read a post like yours:

"please don't accurately report the price of keys! I want cheap keys, and screw the casual trader who sells a few now and then and uses bp.tf to price them! I want him to sell at an impossibly low price! Let's work together to really screw that guy!"

It's disgusting. You aren't entitled to low prices. You aren't entitled to unchanging prices.

Key resellers don't need bp.tf at all. I spend a lot of time finding the best prices on both ends of the market, I know what those prices are and how hard it is to find them. I have made a ton of profit, though, from bp.tf keeping its stupid 3-3.11 price for an extra week. I'd just watch new listings and pick off all the 3-reffer dudes with 2 keys, who just bought them from steam market or paypal, and had no idea that they were easily worth 3.22+.

Too-low prices help sellers in exactly the same way as too-high prices: by screwing the unknowing into agreeing to a bad price. Accurate prices are the best thing for the integrity of this pricelist and for trading in general.

here's what i see when i read a post like urs:

Oh i bought keys, now lets sell them for more than the market price.

Since this mess started i didnt sell any key niether bought any key for metal, its tf2 store/market for me since then.

That's incorrect. I started with keys, sold them for more than market price (atm I'm asking 3.66), and replaced them at market rates. If I couldn't sell them above market, I wouldn't bother. This price change will affect my buy price (negatively) and not my sell price.

> Since this mess started i didnt sell any key niether bought any key for metal

Then don't comment on these pricing threads. You don't know what keys cost and sell for, and your economic theories are unsound.

Isn't it funny that anyone defending a key price hike ALWAYS has more than 30 keys in their backpack?

Naknak, the way that you composed your comment heavily implies bias. You also are agreeing with people who set OWN PRICES over any priceguide. By defending this, you not only give yourself a bad name, but key traders as well.

And by the way, Outpost is NEVER accurate, as it bases it's entire key market off of own prices. If backpack.tf is not accurate with key prices in accordance to outpost, how the hell can it be accurate when no one sells at the price guide price on Outpost?

And you are wrong about key resellers not needing backpack.tf at all. As a matter of fact, the instant the key prices are raised, guess what? That price is not good anymore, because it is now 1-2 scraps than what backpack.tf accepted. And guess where they go to approve the prices? You guessed it. RIGHT HERE. From there, the vicious cycle begins anew.

I end this comment with this. If it is not make people pay through the nose to buy something, than why do you think it is acceptable in a game? And unless you acknowledge that your backpack value would benefit from a price hike, then any counter-arguments you have against me will have a bit of bias thrown in it.

I agree to this price. Why because when i wanted to buy 1 key with my metal it took me all day to get it at 3.33 any seller for that amount of less were sold by the time I add them.

I usually have plenty of keys and I honestly don't care how much metal it takes to get keys, because i only deal with keys and never accept metal in place of keys.

I have no intention of selling my keys for metal. Dumbest thing I can do, metal is impossible to get rid of.

Do I get a nice boost to bp value when keys go up, but that's only because the cost of refined isnt constantly updated to match the key.

In regards to outpost. Outpost is the most reliable, why you ask? Because it records a huge portion of trades and offers. Other sites have much less traffic.

Newbie traders have the idea outpost is full of "high ballers" and "lowballers" even tho trade servers and other trade sites have much of the same people and prices.

Go out and buy a key and tell me how it goes. Because I can promise unless you find a newbie trader who doesn't know better you won't get that key lower then 3.22

If traders decide to up those prices because of a change in bp.tf let them choose too, trying to guide players to sell lower then they can get shouldn't be done just to help the "community" and "economy"

> Isn't it funny that anyone defending a key price hike ALWAYS has more than 30 keys in their backpack?

We're talking about currency. That argument doesn't work. I could just as correctly say, "isn't it funny that everyone blindly opposing every key suggestion is stone broke, without a recent key trade to their name?"

> heavily implies bias

> Outpost is NEVER accurate ... how the hell can [bp.tf] be accurate when no one sells at the price guide price on Outpost?

Do you use outpost? It's not a price guide. It's a marketplace. Pricing data on transactions arising from outpost trades are accurate, by definition. http://tf2finance.com/2012_11/ debunks the myth that outpost prices are higher than the norm. It's an easy mistake to make because good trades get filled and closed quickly, while bad trades linger on autobump, so if you look at open trades it will seem like it's all bad deals.

> unless you acknowledge that your backpack value would benefit from a price hike

Say I'm holding 100 keys (I'm not atm, but whatever), this price bump would change my bp value by 200 scrap, which is 22 ref, which is not even one pixel on my graph. 22 ref is less than one day's profit from my buds trades. As I pointed out before, this price change hurts me because it will reduce the availability of underpriced keys. But I advocate for it because it is the fair thing to do.

@[WDZ-RR] Holly Jolly Poncho

excellent answer

then keys need a bigger range (for example 3-3.33)

"... save [me]."

This is the nature of inflation, sir.

"According to outpost this is right"

That's a joke right? outpost is full of the greediest and most low balling asses I've ever seen. No matter what the price is on here everyone on outpost will be higher cause they figure "well I'm sure ill get some desperate fool willing to pay more for items asap"

BTW, I bought about 10 keys today (12/25) for 3 ref flat, some even less.

Outpost is the shittiest, scumbaggiest crap hole of the Team Fortress 2 universe. It's disgusting, really. Full of shithole scammers and idiots who believe the shit. Take down the site is what I say.

i posted a trade for 3.22 and had 6 ppl add me immediately. changed it to 3.33 and still have ppl adding me. with the key shortage, it might be temporary, but it is accurate imo.

However, I do believe that spreadsheets and market prices are a "chicken and the egg" situation. Is the price here b/c ppl pay that or b/c sellers highball, then spreadsheets adjust, then buyers buy. On the other hand, F2P and MVM vouchers have increased the inflation rate due to the influx of item drops from these sources so the price of keys should steadily increase unless demand falls off.

http://tf2finance.com/2012_11/ pretty clearly shows that bp.tf follows the market and not the other way around.

You can also tell this from reading any key-price voting thread, with dozens of detractors no matter how much proof exists. So many legit suggestions get rejected / self-deleted, the idea of a fake BS too-high suggestion getting through is laughable.

That data is from the summer when bp was much less utilized compared to now. I'd like to see another analysis, but yea it appears that there isn't a statistical relationship either way.

It covers the period up to November of this year, especially the Halloween update when prices were changing quickly.

OUTPOST ========== LOWBALLERS AND HIGHBALLERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most of the people that sell keys or take them will actually take them for around three refined to three refined and two scrap.

Oooooooooook. Wompage is basing on TF2Outpost wich is FULL of LOWBALLERS and HIGHBALLERS. In that site people completely don't give a s**** about setted price in here, backpack.tf. They're setting prices on their own.

absolutely right

To be honest I never understood that either. I am aware that that is a place where we can get solid proof but its a joke-and the way people keep suggesting that we keep raising it while giving "proof" from outpost the price will climb up to 4-5 ref or something like that. Simply because a couple people are lucky and get offers from people who are overpaying for keys because they're desperate or want the keys really bad, then this happens.

then what do you think people should just base off of opinions?!

This is probably one of the main reasons why key prices are going up:

-A trader: ooh! i want to make a key business! selling keys for a scrap or two more than listed price! [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7401561[url] [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6342459[url] [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7307521[url] *in order to profit

-Other key sellers: lets do the same so we wont lose more scrap!

(lets say key price is 2.77)

- Selling keys for 2.88/3ref! Buying at 2.77! (note they still buy at listed price or even lower sometimes [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7357204[url] [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7398552[url] and that profit is made)

-Soon everyone with a surplus of keys is doing this

-new price is suggested: oooh they are all sold for higher now should raise listed price!

*suggestion accepted*

Process repeats until as listed price gradually rises.

[color="green"]blablabla... -.-

there are to much ref in the market, and no keys... http://stats.tf/item/5002/Refined_Metal

u can make ref and use it only for crafting, anyone can do refs. But, you can only have the key in a way ... buying!

So it's ovbiously

As prices of the keys are high, more people are encouraged to buy it ... if you look now http://stats.tf/item/5021/Mann_Co._Supply_Crate_Key... the Key amount has increased significantly

we can say that is in equilibrium ref / key ...

but tend to fall again soon ... I reckon not exceed 3.33[/color]

There's a lot of copy/pasting going on there. I realise that you're trying to make idiots who can't read think that you've got a great argument here, but there's nothing there that you couldn't have said in a few lines. I am therefore flagging this eyesore in the hope that someday it will be banished from this page.

Do hide it. i dont know what happened there o.o only posted 5 links and copied/pasted nothing :O

This post gave me cancer.

Sorry guys, i shouldnt play with the URL text next time.

We can't just look at tf2outpost but also other sites. People are selling at 3.22ref (if we are basing on tf2outpost only) at most but are buying at 3ref only. And I think it's mainly due to either looking at the price set by the bp.tf or following others in the tf2outpost community.

if you read this : http://tf2finance.com/2012_11/

you will learn TF2OP's system advertises trades (it shows what the seller really wants), and since highballing trades take long to proceed through, these trades are indeed reflecting the view of a HighBalling site.

But in fact, successful trades are in the normal prices, and sometimes even cheaper than trade servers.

TL;DR : TF2OP advertises high prices, but actually sells normal.

It's just that these trades do not show up in a search, since it processes quickly.

Couldn't agree more, the overpriced trades keep on bumping because they rarely succeed.

you can still get keys under 3 ref on trade servers and 2.44ish at the tf2wh but we never see these prices reflected in ANY of these price increases because 99.99% of the time only outpost is quoted. This site may as well just be integrated with outpost it's pathetic.

2.44 in tf2wh...

And please, send us the IP of this trade server, I'd like to buy keys from there.

Just about any really reddit's is pretty good

Post some please, I don't go on /r/tf2.

Currently re-installing tf2 due to the validation BS after every update. If you pop on /rtf2 or r/tf2trade you can find server links down the right hand side, i only have reddit, outpost and black market ally on my tf2 though, usually i will just filter servers by "trade" and then organise by number of users and go through the most popular.

If this Key price will be approved... Conclusion is that the prices are being controlled by TF2Outpost but not backpack.tf community members... How cool we are rolling these days O_O.

Yeah, let's put a tinfoil hat on and point out a conspiracy with Brad Pitt and outpost mods controlling the market and inflating the keys for us poor traders to have a crashed market, and let's buy from the store because it looks cheaper than outpost...

Sorry if the sarcasm seems virulent, but your post sounds like this.

So you're saying prices have never been manipulated and that all votes that achieved majority were accepted ?

Well check this then (there are a ton more examples, just look around):

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/509f01c1ba2536672f000003

(87.5% positive votes and yet it got closed)

May be you should be the one waring the tin foil hat.

Plenty of users vote solely based on their desire or opinion. Not on trades completed.

They don't get accepted because they're wrong. Just so happens the community wishes it were true.

Prices can't be manipulated by outpost. If it sells for more the obviously price needs to changed and thats why it's suggested to be higher and this isn't setting a higher price.

No more than 3 refined. I have a feeling that people seem to make people overpay because they want regular keys to go 1:1 with Naughty and Nice ones. The price will drop below 3 refined after this Christmas.

That is what people said last Halloween. Until people start thinking and refuse to buy for these high prices, they will keep going up.

My thoughts.

well, I have nothing to say....fuck you all im out screw keys who needs em'

in conclusion

off to visit your mother....

People who flag this don't seem to realise that you weren't being serious.

ikr lol

/10 char

Great job! Follow the market and follow you heart! ♥

I don't like it, but yes...sold it for 3.33 at tf2outpost. Why at 3.33? Because if I would sell them for 3.11 or 3.22 reseller would buy them instantly and selling them again for more profit.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7387810[/url]

nope.avi

Downvoted

What inevitable here is the moment price is accepted as 3.11-3.22 keys you want to push it up by another scrap. Going at this rate it will probably be 4 ref by next month. the greed of this key trader truly disgusts me

People these days. .-. YES! I KNOW im qqing. Which im proud.

10 years from now

"Man, remember when refined metal used to be worth something?"

"Back in the days you could buy a key for 2.66 instead of 350843956389? Yea man."

But... That means that hats would be worthless, too! That's... Unthinkable!

I hate this, but it is correct.

This is just a vicious cycle.

-Person wants to sell key on outpost

-Person looks at bacpack.tf prices

-Person adds to that price to make profit

-Other people look at all of those high-price adds on outpost

-Use those prices as proof for a price increase in keys

-key price passes

-Other person wants to sell a key

I have seen this happen since keys were 2.77-3. It's a cycle that will continue to happen as long as keys change in price.

I've got no issues with keys rising/falling/holding

The whole point of this site was so that the spreadsheet prices actually reflect what people are buying/selling for. Or did I miss something?

People want keys too much and the market is causing less people to buy them from the actual store so the supply is down as well.

Someone please tell valve to take the stupid market down, they aren't blizzard it's just fucking destroying the value of keys.

What I don't understand is; when the price of the key was at 2.88 - 3 Refined, people then changed it to 3 - 3.11 Refined just because a lot of people were selling for 3.22, then it got changed to 3.11 - 3.22, now it is pretty much saying that people are selling for 3.33. In conclusion, the price of the keys can / will go up forever, we need an initial price that will stay for at least 3 weeks - 1 month. If you disagree with me, thats ok. Thanks guys! :)

No. Ever since the key stock went down, price has gone up. I remember when I went on Stats.tf a few months back. There were 30,000 or so. Now there are 4,000. Does that make you understand why the value has gone up and it is so precious?

"There were 30,000 or so. Now there are 4,000." 4000 keys mah ess - http://stats.tf/item/5021/Mann_Co._Supply_Crate_Key "Out of 3,118,737 inventories, 386,433 copies of this item exist. (12.39%)" really beleave that 386,433 is 4000

Downvote, had no issue buying keys for 3-3.11ref.

Outpost doesn't reflect the actual price, people sell there for profit.

The admins of this site are more retarded than I thought. Do they STILL not realize this site is responsible for the ridiculous inflation of keys?

I'm pretty sure that this website existed before the recent increase. In fact it really started when the Upgrade to Premium business started.

that`s true

4 posts isn't really proof of the range. I buy keys at 3 ref still. Heck, I've even gotten some at 2.88 still. The range is [b]3-3.22.

easy downvote ive been buying for 3.11 no problem on outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7211277

^my trade

its also doesnt reflect the people that just add me without posting

all you who just complain about prices just dont know how to trade :)

I unboxed a crate today and got a strange spy-cicle. Many people have alot of weapons and metal lying around so they can afford this, open the crates and waste their time. Valve really needs to make something happen before all the keys run out :/.

So then Bills hat would be 1 key and Buds 4 keys. Imagine it?

.... People still buy Mann Co. keys.

That's Valve's strategy : bringing the key price up on outpost/SourceOP to the price of the Mann Co Store. It has always been very low (1.25$).

I don't see why they care lol SOMEONE had to have bought them at some point in time.

I bought 9 so far today at 3.11 Ref on Outpost of all places too. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7363515 Take that as you will since I will not vote on Keys since the community price has already been manipulated many times, and 3-3.11 Ref is the actual current price of Keys. Check http://tf2finance.com/keys/ if you don't believe me. :)

Finance has been broken and un-updated since the 22nd, so it's no longer a valid pricing guide.

There about 1.207.603 Ref in non-private premium backpacks.

We also have 384844 Keys.

Ref / Keys = 3.14 Ref per Key!

Fuck this Supply|Demand thing.

So your only allowing 1 key per player? Did you calculate that fact traders like to have multiple amounts of keys.

alot of people can't afford / dont want keys mate did you calculate that?

I'm going to post this again, I posted it on another key price not long ago and of course got ignored.

"The admins refuse to realize that the key prices follow this site. The sellers on outpost will charge the top backpack.tf price + 1 scrap, and eventually desperate people will buy and then get used as proof to up the price once more."

It's a never ending cycle. This whole system is broken when it comes to keys because outpost is always more expensive for convenience, but it's the only place people get proof from. I spent the last week in trade servers watching people buy and sell keys happily at 3 ref but since i can't simply copy/paste a link to show it, "u hav no proof i hav all the proof keys r not sellin 3 ref nemor"

I agree M_ICKI . The ONLY PROOF people use for Keys is from Outpost. Because, you know, that is THE ONLY place on the internet that you can trade for Keys. There couldn't be any other site right? Go Outpost!!! Lets get that extra scrap or 3 above listed price every time, and then use it as "proof" to raise the prices even more!! The endless profit-circle is on! Woo-hoo!

I have had no problem buying Keys for 3.11. This seems a bit unnecessary.

STOP RAISING THE PRICE.

Delete your metal!!!!

Delete it all!!!!

We don't want your metal so we keep raising the prices on you.

So take that metal hoarders!

PS. Upvoted.

I never thought I'd say this but I'm starting to question bp.tf, ANYBODY CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND ANYBODY CAN SPEND AN HOUR ON OUTPOST SEARCHING FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE KEYS ARE BEING SOLD FOR AND SUGGEST THAT "NEW" PRICE. I could care less about this guy making a new suggestion, because as always its just another random trader taking the price of what other random traders are attempting to sell them for, I wanna see what known donate rs, admins or anyone of a higher position are selling their keys for on outpost. Fuck I'll make a suggestion right now, 1 key for the price of 3-5 keys, how does that sound? I'm just another random trader, no special rep or anything, I mean keys are a form of currency and are important to the trading community-but ANYONE can suggest new prices for keys. No special reputation OR ANYTHING required, yeah that makes sense. The community being involved in bp.tf is the reason I stopped using spreadsheet, but I don't know what to think now, seeing how easy it is to raise the price on anything. Hell I'm gonna upvote it just to raise my "pricing knowledge score" or whatever its called.

keys are important, metal is not.

and you collect pennies and nickles? its currency bro its not a gold bar

Point 1: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/meetthestats/discussions/2/846940248440101517/?tscn=1356579425 or http://steamcommunity.com/groups/meetthestats/discussions/2/846940248108056929/

Point 2: Personally I don't sell my keys.

Point 3: Don't do that 1 key for 3-5 keys suggestion. It has been posted before, user got banned (for 2 weeks I think) for a troll suggestion.

Point 4: = Point 1

Point 5: It is not easy to raise the price of anything. Take a look at this: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50dbb90aba2536f251000056

Doesn't matter if it gets downvoted to hell it will prob still be accepted lol.

Scrap.tf buys keys at 3.11 and resells them at 3.22. According to the information on their site their keybot has performed 7267 trades. Most trades don't consist of a single key, but multiple. The bot is fairly recent and it's fairly easy to see that trades DO occur at the current range and in great quantities. Even if all of these trades consisted of 1 key each this would be 3k+ keys being put through the bot.

http://scrap.tf/stats.php Information can be seen here if you scroll down to "total trades performed" The keybot is "Scraponomy Crasher"., the last bot.

3.11-3.33 would be alot better. last week i got 20+ keys for 3ref (and even some for 2.88) and this week about 10 for 3.11

i wouldn't believe for a second that you carnt get a key for 3.11

i do under stand putting the high end to 3.33. just not the low end to 3.22

I don't think this needs to happen. Pushing this price up even further brings down the value of everything else, and only those with a ton of keys profit. Nope.avi from me.

3.33? Are you kidding me? Just leave them at 3 for god's sake. Stop inflating the price of keys.

Well.. Its got to stop eventually.. right guys.... right..?

I remember when Keys were 2.66 like what 1 month plus ago? I sure am Down voting, it is getting very ridiculous for such the influx in Key Prices

This is my first input as a spectator on the TF2 market concerning price votes on this website.

Watching key prices rise from 2.44 Refined, I can see why the recent rapid inflation can be concerning. It has come to the point that I shy away from dealing with metal. I no longer sell keys or buy them with my metal since they have exceeded 2.66 Refined. Metal is depreciating in worth, and as a result it has become an invalid form of currency to me. Keys on the other hand are a currency here to stay.

Following this site's price suggestions on keys since the Pyromania update, to say there's no correlation between backpack.tf prices and TF2Outpost seller prices is to turn a blind eye on the issue at hand. Time and time again, throughout these suggestion forums, there was a recurrent complaint; the use of TF2Outpost as the only source of proof. TF2Outpost is convenient as it does provide easy access to market data on keys, but limited sources can provide inaccurate data. To simplify this concept, do you expect to get a good grade on your term paper if you were to cite only one source to write it?

We need to encourage people to introduce other sources. TF2Outpost is the largest entity in which a considerable majority of trading occurs. It's not too farfetched to hypothesize that it holds a monopoly on affecting prices on sites such as this one. The only other place that this much trading occurs is in-game. A great first step in creating a more diverse and accurate market guide is making Steam trading histories public. Any other type of data can not get any more raw than this. Making trading histories public will encompass all trades (perhaps even Steam Market sales), whether they were initiated in-game or sites like TF2Outpost. As a trader myself, this is information I would love to have access to. Unfortunately, Steam only provides each user their own trading histories, though I don't see how they could refuse a petition supported by the largest online-trading community.

As for now, I'm sticking to using hats as a valid form of currency. They're not as easy to pump into the market and it's the only true Hatconomy way.

That's a good idea, in addition if privacy is a concern, Valve could perfectly make the trades anonymous, just providing what was exchanged in trade and omitting who exchanged it. I am sure the owner of this website would be able to translate this feed into a price list.

Making them anonymous would require some form of search engine to organize all that data. I say if your backpack is public why can't your trading history be. In fact, I can track whoever previously owned an item on TF2Outpost just by checking its ID history. Though, a search engine can really help finding exactly what you're pricechecking. Much like how the filtering system works when you're in a trade, you can search for an item and it'll show all possible trades involving that item and what they have been traded for. For now, I think the easiest solution is intertwining backpack privacy and trading history privacy into one setting.

http://i.imgur.com/oa0Wr.png

buckle up homestuck

I can't wait, after I buy my dream unusual

I'll sell my keys for 2.33 just like the old days

Sell it at 1 ref then, like in the beginning.

No you won't.

3.22-3.33 is the new price?

I need a Time Machine here for godsake

I bought some at 3 ref today. It was amazingly rare offer. Even if this price suggestion gets -100 votes its still probably going to be accepted

more like minus -359 > _

Ridiculous, I can't believe these keys keep raising in price.

honestly this site should remove key values or work something out with the guys who run tf2finance and set up a direct link there which controls the key prices

this shit every 2 days is just stupid

I think most of the people here don't know how to use words like 'manipulation' and 'inflation'. Even me perhaps.

Check out http://steamcommunity.com/groups/meetthestats/discussions/0/846940247671000891/ for those of you who overuse 'inflation' and 'manipulation' wrongly.

I advise strongly for you to check out the page.

It's easy to buy and sell keys for current range. Trades above and below current range happen, but that is true no matter what range we list: current price is a reasonable representation of the market.

First two links are above your suggested range, second link is 3 weeks old, 4th link supports current range. Counter-proof shows many trade at, below, and more rarely above current range. Please provide more relevant evidence for your future suggestions.