Suggestion: Vintage Fan O'War at 65–78 keys

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~94.5 keys

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i have tried aggain in the past to rerange this item with no luck at all

i cant buy it for less than 3 buds ,even 3 buds are a might deal case scenario ..NO vintage weapon collection is complete withou it!and the sellers know that as i do

i have refused on my V.FoWin the last 4 days offerof 2.5-2.7 pure buds.

since i cant buy for less than 3 then my sell price for this year is going to be around 3.5-3.7 buds

this is old news for the collectors i think the community is just not qualified to track on the prices of those items anymore!

as long as there demand on those raretys the price can never stay in the same levels!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4054243

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6679167

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6535577

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7022181

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7347135

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4940448

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/1798061

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3461202

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7230112

There is no way anyone will support this, as you claim to own 85%(297) of all v.fan of wars: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50bf0f5cba2536691a000056 Wait, you actually own 89%(311) of them: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50bf0d2cba2536591a000053

so what?

is this against some rules?i know how much this item cost and their real price aint the one suggested!!do yo think you can buy one for 2.5 buds now ??hahaha i would love to see that !

You seem to think you can buy one for that - "it should be 64 keys pure"

There is nothing against raising the price of your own items, although some people may find it fishy that this suggestion would increase your net worth by at least 120buds.

Actually, looking at v.FoW trades, you seem to be trying to buy them all at 2.5buds, maybe that would be a better price until there is proof of transactions above that.

exactly my point mate no one have accepted that is not that a proof ?by it self?

thanks for pointing that out if you scroll a little up that post you will see he had offered 3 pure and havent sold isnt that a proof! am i paranoic or is this all just facts!!

next time you downvote something dont put the envy in front that`s a mistake everybody does i just hope that we could get an automotive price suggestor some times!

Looking back at the trades again, I found a couple more offers that support your suggestion

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7347135 - $90

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7594463 - 3buds

i am glad you see the truth!!

as you see i am the only one that sell those items as they are and not as set.

if i was to sold them for the price suggested i would get out of stock in a few days .but i cant sell my stock i need to buy some to sell some thats the way trading works ... so if i was to sell i wouldnt personally sell for less than 3.2 buds right now

and only 1 item for every other i could buy!yes that is going to raise my value ! but i dont care about it i care about having them and just give some back for the right price,and nevertheless that doesn`t change the fact that this price its outdated next is concheror of course!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7594463- 3 buds

That vintage fan of war is untradable-->not common vintage fan of war-->higher value

you are out of collectors brainwaive intradables in vintages worth less than clear ones take every vintage as an example mate!!dirty vintages are unsold cause they arent collectives

haha you really made me laugh !

cheers

the only reason those are un-tradables its cause those where only crafted back then and those moron craft them with dirty metal!!so its not a pure craft as such is not considered pure vintage as vintages are characterized of the blue text and the craft-able and trad-able spec

and thats common wiki knowledge!

First of all, I cant stress this enough. Write better in English, it is hard to understand what you mean and I have to read between lines to get what you mean sometimes. And that is not good since there is a chance I might misunderstand what you are saying.

Second, your statement about uncraftable as being less valuable of vintage Fan of War is interesting. Its interesting since I can actually show links where people wants to pay 3 buds for them, but they dont want to pay 3 buds for the "collector version" that is craftable.

Third, how do you know what all collectors want?

You claim no collector, collects uncraftable weapons?

Your insight in all collectors is so huge that you know this for a fact?

And it isnt only uncraftable vintages that are unsold. Your links show sellers, that has not sold their vintage fan of war.

And where do you have proof of trades?

Show me PROOF, I written this now for the 4 th time. Show me PROOF of trades going for your prices and you will get upvote.

And you still havent explained your previous comments,

"3 buds i have about 58 V.FoW i release 1 every year in market!

if you are looking for proofs i dont provide any!"-4 weeks ago

and youcontinued

"next year will be 3.5 buds though"-4 weeks ago

Source: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4094072

Instead of writing all these texts and "hahaha you know nothing"-comments. Just show proof of trades please. :)

is this about envy then ?

really ?market is more than that!

is about offer and demand v.FoW and concherors are the H.O.U.W.A.R`s of weapons in my personal opinion they will be equal in price as time goes by!

and half a bud raise for this in the collectors society is old news

it is already happening i am just pointing the way it goes !

i am not the one that is pumping it price its the Markets demand that is doing it so

ifyou can point me a V.FoW for 2.2-2.5 buds i will buy it NOW.get it?

i really dont care about the volume of my backpack i collect items because i like to do so.the only way this weapon can stop rising in price is all the vantage collectors vanish from tf2!that`s something wont happened as collectors are those that support this manconomy by circulating more keys daily in the market!

if they need it they will get it no mater the price not giving a shit if that is not an unusual. and another weapon that is highly downpriced is the v.shortstop!

if you want those items to come back in the market you will need to motvate the collectors that owns them to sell them what if the price is outstanding !! really who cares?they are rare as hell and they derve to have a proper price that stands in the present time.not in 3-4 months ago!that is what the free market is all about.so.

And finally to put that in contras a T.C burning flames cost 80 buds but you can still uncrate that !

you cant treat those raretys as unusuals the result would be like its allready happening all the collectors to retired those treasure in private bp`s with the danger never see them in trading posts again?who want such a thibg to happen?

either way this site is not about spectulating but it represent the daily trades if this item is sold for that price suggested or not and i think its 0.5-1 bud lower than its current value. i would not suggested if it wasn't take a look on all trade posts watch at those c/o`s they are higher than what i have allready suggest!so for god shake it doesnt matter for me if this pass or not but the buyers and sellers wont get an oblective current price for that matter and the items will stay unsold thats bad , first for the market and last for me!

and i dont own 311 V.FoW that`s rumors mostly and i am not to give to those any credits!I only stated that as i had a fight with a cotrader about what is ethical and what is not,i was truying to make hom see thing from my aspect..in free market you can only suggest you cant point.

i can keep selling and buying ni that range but then !this site will go outdated and thats something no one wants not even me!

Omg couldn't you just provide some links? No, you have to post a huge wall of text.~

well scrolling a bigger wall to of offers om such items make it hard to find the c/o`s almost noone notices that they exist if the poster doesnt update his notices,

thats the reason i havent notice my self so i offer 64 at start!

its ok the lower end to represent the dirty ones but the clear ones are way more expensive right now!

So post a link to a trade and the highest offer aside.~

i happened to have a group and i have asked everyone for a fan o war in a specific range everyone that tried had failed completely!

I'm not saying this suggestion is wrong, actually I believe it is true but I'm still not voting.. Therefor I would have to read all your text what I'm not doing.

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hahahahahahahahahaha

Let me get this right, you control around 85 % of this item available according to yourself?

And now you suggest to rise the price on the item. Haha you are trying to manipulate the market for the item hahaha. And I suspect thats why you want to buy all other vintage from other sales, so you strenghten the control. Then you can sit and release one vintage every third month and demand what you want(since there is no competition).

If somebody else would have suggested it with links, I could have upvoted. But when you just want to manipulate the price and its obvious you have everything to gain from a price rise,there is no brainer to downvote.

i think your reasoning lucks ethics .envy blinds you too

could care less but thanks for the comment cheers

it isnt about manipulating the price. he doesnt have to since he owns them all and he is receiving offers above the current range.

if he is the only one selling them, and the offers on them are higher than the range then, to be fair, the range should be changed.

he is looking for validation of the price rather than trying to manipulate the price. only collectors will buy this item, im willing to bet that of the 55 voters here not one of them could actually afford to buy the item if they wanted, they arent really qualified to make this decision.

he has an offer of 3 buds now for the item, no one here has offered up a trade in the current range or lower.

it should at least be considered and not just put down to "you own them, you are trying to raise the price for profit", he doesnt need to manipulate anything, if the spreadsheet and backpack didnt exist, the community would still dictate this high end price, and he would still be asking for what he is asking for.

thank you but i must repeat again i dont own them all thats a ver bad joke that keeps going and goin yes i am a collector and the admin of tf2 museum but thats all.

i am far away from own them all very far!!as the 50% of those who actually own those they dont even know they do!

@workbench

Read what I wrote "If somebody else would have suggested it with links, I could have upvoted" . I could most surely have supported a suggestion for setting price like this.

Problem here is who the suggester is and his goal.

Backpack..tf and spreadsheet are priceguides and some use them alot for trades, some trade servers even have direct feed from backpack. tf and offer pricecheck thats based on backpack.tf.

People that have for instance 200 keys and says they can sell keys for 3.66 ref(when other sale from 3.11 ref) still wants the price to be set higher on backpack.tf. Why do they want to do that if they can already sell their keys for a higher price then recommended on backpack.tf?

Its simply to make the higher price legit and also motivate an even higher priceraise.

"No lowballs guys, backpack.tf says this item goes for 3 pure buds, so i accept minimum 3.5 pure buds" Does it sound familiar?

Also where is his proof for his own offer?

He says he has been offered 3 buds for this item, where is the proof?

The link he has shown is from another seller, where he offers 64 keys.

Right now 1 bud=26 keys, so HE OFFERED rougly a bit BELOW 2.5 buds for this item.

Now check his own sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6791860 he had this up for a month before it was completed. If you check the offers, not a single one actually write they offer 3 buds so we have to assume "somebody bought if for 3 buds" and for that we have his word. The word of a player that owns 85 % of the item, according to himself(which also cant be validated).

Now check out this

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4094072

This guy offered only 2 buds for vintage bills, and seems to have gotten it.

THe most interesting thing is thow what the last trader posts, the same guy suggesting this price.

"3 buds i have about 58 V.FoW i release 1 every year in market!

if you are looking for proofs i dont provide any!"-4 weeks ago

and he continues

"next year will be 3.5 buds though"-4 weeks ago

He states he doesnt provide any proof.

Now we have next year and he has made a new price suggestion with how much proof?

And then we have this

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7511377

A trader is offering 1 bud+15 keys for v. fan of war.

Here he decides to comment

"loled out aloud mate! thanks! happy new year!"-3 days ago

Do you suggest his behaviour is not just a bit suspicious?

@skaas

Enlighten me how this reasoning lack ethics?

you forget to mentioned i offered the high end of the current price range in PURE keys and he reject me!

well that short of speak for it self!

i think your envy is blinding you too!

I didnt forget, I wrote you offered 64 keys or what other trade are you referring to?

Maybe you are referring to this trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4054243

You offered 63 keys and maybe that was rejected(?)

But can you blame him, since you actually offered less then 2.5 buds which is BELOW recommended price right now.

The question is not if the current price is good, it is if the recommended price should be raised.

There is no envy here, I have no interest in vintage weapons which is why I know I have no risk of being bias since i dont gain or lose anything if the price goes up or down. :)

recomanded is 2.2-2.5 noone sell in that range for 4 months now!

at least the ppl i know!

Now check out this

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4094072

This guy offered only 2 buds for vintage bills, and seems to have gotten it.

THe most interesting thing is thow what the last trader posts, the same guy suggesting this price.

hahaha this guy just have managed to buy 1 FoW thats an achievement and he did that 3-4 months a go when that price still was a good price for it !but since then the buds have droped the keys have raised!! as so this item would rise to cover the price gap that was created by keys influction something that should happened automotive.you luck reasoning mate go take a look at the bazaar too there are 2 in auction , i can give you a link for the collectors community oh no you cant enter is a close group well nevermind!

cheers

"in action and i can give you a link for the collectors community oh no you cant enter is a close group well nevermind!

cheers"

Are you serious?

You expect traders to vote based on your word.

I actually showed links and YOUR own words sayin you dont show proofs and you will set a higher price this year.

It is awesome you have these secret collectors communities and know how valuable it is. But pricevoting is about voting on what can be proved. You dont show proof of trades going at the price you suggest(which you say is 3 buds)

And you claim to easily being able to sell vintage fan of war at 3 buds, then what do you need backpack.tf for?

Your secret collectors already according to you pays your price, so then you dont need backpack.tf right?

I said

"Now check out this

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4094072

This guy offered only 2 buds for vintage bills, and seems to have gotten it.

THe most interesting thing is thow what the last trader posts, the same guy suggesting this price. "

You answered

hahaha this guy just have managed to buy 1 FoW thats an achievement and he did that 3-4 months a go when that price still was a good price for it "

False, the post and trade is 2-3 months old, Not 3-4, says so on the trade. Again show proof of trade, its a simple request. :)

i am not saying its easy to sell for 3 buds i am saying its hard to impossible to buy 1 for 3 ref

Yes it is impossible to buy a vintage fan of war for 2 REF, it can be very hard to even buy a key for 3 REF. ;)(I assume you mean 3 BUD)

Again, show proof of trade.

ive read it all. my point is still if he is the only one selling, and he has an offer of 3. thats the price. it doesnt matter his motivation. its still the reality.

wow. you're like a sir, like a detective, and i like to call you phoenix wright

also, don't forget this, he's offering roughly 2,5 buds and seller seems ok:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7022181

@workbench

Thing is, he is not the only one selling(do a search on trading servers and you will find others selling it)

And that kinda makes it fall apart.

He is not the only seller(but I agree on your statement, if only one guy controls all bananas in the world his set price is automatically recommended price).

Since he is NOT the only seller+no proof on trade+his own comments on other trades+his own stake in this item+most statements based on his word-->too many "fishy" circumstances

And when I ask for links on trades I get "hahaha you know nothing"-comments, "I know stuff you dont know cause I trade with collectors, we have our group"-comments or "you envy"-comment.

If PROOF was shown for confirmed trades this would in sports term be a "slam dunk".

It shouldnt be hard to find these confirmed trades if the price has gone up to 3 buds. IF he can sell this item for 3+ buds, then thats fine and well. But this is a pricelist that is for ALL players in the entire game, and if it can be sold for 3+ buds already and he only sells to to "exclusive collectors" "working in secret", why such interest in updating this pricelist?.

If he shows real proof, I will upvote. I wont upvote a player that cant show proof and wants me to have faith in his word. Especially a guy that is himself offering less then 2.5 buds on other players sales for same item.

its ppl like you that have forced me to make deals in private for the last 5 months and never go public about buying or selling that kind of treatment to collectors will only harms the market ...

not my trades!just give it some think next time you state something !

i guess some items are doomed in a never ending rise in price well its like

old baseball cards everyone wants a babe card if they can track one the pay a fortune!

well didnt excpect this thread to go so blah blah again.my apologies to the mods that will have to close this and i really dont care if it is downvoted again guys i will alwys upgrade the prices i am buying for.. i will screenshoot my next trade before adding a new suggestion on this item !!but i know they will accuse me for alt account and that i am moving my funds from 1 bp to an other!

well envy is such a ridiculus guide!

for some reason i cant reply to your other post.

english is on of the languages i speak and write but still not my primary.

so if you are getting a hard time to understand me i cant help it.

proofs is that if the 2.5 buds would work as a price then those would have been sold if i know about collectors well sure i do who doesn`t,

about collectives?have you seen a set in a collectors backpack that contains dirty vintages Oo c`mon ..sorry i am done here vote whatever o have trades left on hold .time is ref.

This has become long walls of texts.

I will keep it very short in this answer.

Show proof of trades-->upvote-->you get the new price you suggest

1. Your opinion, "It is hard to buy this item for 2.5 buds" is an opinion based on your experience. Not a fact, until you have sources.

2. You referring to how collectors think is fine, but since you say you do your tradings in secret with fellow collectors it is NOT fact. Show source on this as well.

Show proof!!!

Its obvious that "Ska" is manipulating the market for his advantage. He owns 80 + percent of the v.fan of war.

It's pretty obvious if the value went up on backpack.tf, he would most likely change his ORIGINAL buyoff to a HIGHER ONE. If this gets through.

foe fuck shake i am closing this thread as everyone seems to bee stupid in this commenting shiet