Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 3.33–3.44 ref

Price Suggestion

~64.56 ref

50 votes up

143 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 08 Jan 13 01:11:35 +0000 by neverclever.

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inb4

"3.22-3.33 WAS JUST ACCEPTED 30 MINS AGO!!!!"

"WOW UR RAISING KEY PRICE DOWNVOTE"

"WOW THEY SHOULD BE 2.55 OLD PRICE PLEASE DOWNVOTE"

lol ikr^ thats the average reaction but to say the least its pretty much how it works...these days

They arn't 3.44. Go away and stop changing prices that are stable

go try to sell for 3.44 lol, you cant say "they arnt _____" and clearly they ARENT stable....

I have a trade going right now that has 2 keys for 3.44 each and have no adds or response at all please tell me how you are selling for 3.44...

prices are dynamic...

Whatever you're smoking, share it with me. Key prices being stable...oh how I wish it was true...

I'd say 3.22-3.44 would be a better price. I have a trade open buying for 3.22 and get ~1 key per 2 days. But also I have a trade sellign at 3.33 and I always have like 5 adds instantly when I bump it..

Seriously? The last one was accepted less than an hour ago. This is just ridiculous and will give people an excuse to start asking even more.

edit: andy r u wizrd

thats the problem aint it ... poeple already ARE asking more (3.66 and 3.55 are having mild success) flawed system...nether the less nothin we can do

What we could do is wait for more than 30 minutes, collect accurate evidence, post it, vote and accept or decline it.

This suggestion is a self fulfilling prophecy, rather than a vote based on solid proof. The fact that this sugestion exists speeds up the whole process of price rises. Key sellers come here and they look at the current price AND current votes to work out a price so this being here gives a further excuse to raise prices (It's going to raise on backpack.tf soon bro!).

It would be better if there was a rule against submitting a new key suggestion THIS soon. Ridiculous.

I know its utter bullshit...but its also the truth AS I said on the 3,22-3.44 suggestion "you just set the price in stone" tell me why YOU think I should close the suggestion then...Lie? 3.44 is far too easy to sell at at this point ;_;

I don't think a suggestion should be appearing this soon. It makes no sense when the past suggestion has been deemed accurate and put through, it's either wrong or this is wrong. Of course maybe this is a problem with suggestions not being accepted/declined quickly enough to keep up.

Gawd and people moaned about the spreadsheet manipulating the market.

Evidence has already been collected and posted in the OP comment it is significant in both quality and amount. The fact is, we found evidence of this increase in price discussing the last suggestion. This isn't self fulfilling prophecy, the price is just rapidly rising (I blame the steam market and the premium upgrade).

yea gaben is a fat, evil genuis, brillintly valve created a snake kneck to force ourr prices higher ;_; those bastards

what the fuck

like 5 seconds after the 3.22-3.33 key was posted, a new one that is rising even more is already here

your kidding, right? atleast give it a week or two for a new one

I hate this and i told in my previous comment with keys also that as prices increasing people keep adding 1-1 scrap for profit and like this it will be going on and on so the keys are updated just now from 3.11-3.33 to 3.22-3.33 ref so i would suggest to easy downvote !!! Proof not need thou

yea I know its BS >_> i said it would happen too, but cant denie if its that easy to sell at 3.44

K if this accepted another 30 mins another suggestion asking for 3.44-3.55 ref??

Proof are easy to get for keys

yep...total BS ZI can admit that lol, and Im sorry BUT the sooner the crash will come at this point on !!! (maybe this will open a few peoples eyes right :D...right? D:

Sellers will keep increasing the price (even if we don't update it) until it meets the cost of buying keys from the Mann Co Store. (as Valve intended)

Totally agree with terrible toaster

as do I bad situition nothing WE can do at this point on just bunker down for the crash

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7733133 - my trade

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Buyers at 3.33 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7657863

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7642650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7657277

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7658426

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7645811

Sellers at 3.33 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7659680

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7517877

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7369726

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7147282

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7658953

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7580661

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7401847

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7486538

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7574603

Sellers at 3.44 Ref:

Klaus ;o

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7552747

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7652381

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7308385

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7580610

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7481737

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7627357

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7576838

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7625580

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7653191

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7702594 - out of stock at 3.44

sellin at 3.66 - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7678332

seller at 3.33 OUT OF STOCK - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7727299

Too soon, downvote

Yea downvote ur suggestion accepted lie 30 mins ago and another one pop up !!!

As base64 put it:

Frequently used comments

Section 1

You have X Keys in your backpack

Nobody buys Keys at X refined

Outpost is full of highballers

The trades have no takers

Halloween is already over

Stop the damn inflation

I put up a WTB trade at X refined and people added me within minutes

By the month of X, we would have Y keys in existence.

The number of Keys in existence is actually growing

Trades from bots should not be counted as proof

Trades from quickbuyers should not be counted as proof

Price in Mann Co Store has always been $2.49

This has gone too far

The market will crash

Backpack.tf influences the market

When backpack.tf raises the price, sellers charge at backpack.tf price + 1 scrap, and their trades are used as proof again.

The vicious cycle repeats!

We need to stop this madness

1 Key will be 10 refined next month

1 Key for your 2 Keys

They need to go down

I remember that Keys at X refined 200 days ago

You can still get them at lower price from trade servers

You can buy Keys from Warehouse

Look beyond Outpost

Prices are rising without a reason

You are ruining trading

Section 2

You don’t have Keys in your backpack

People are buying at X refined

Outpost is full of lowballers

Keys have always been in demand

Steam Market makes Keys desirable

I put up a WTS trade at X refined and people added me within minutes

People get Refined Metal for free every week from idling accounts

The sellers at X refined are out of stock

You can’t get them at current price from outpost anymore

Keys from Warehouse are always reserved

If people stop buying Keys at higher price, they will go back down.

The majority of the trading community uses Outpost

X Refined reflects the majority of actual trades today

If it’s going to crash, let it crash.

Find me a seller at X refined

Add me if you are selling Keys at X refined

X Keys is a quicksell

I’m not buying for resell

I sold X hundreds of Keys this week at Y refined

More crates means more unboxing

Section 3

Stop being greedy

I don’t care about downvotes

I think this is optimal

1 Key = X USD, 1 Ref = Y USD, therefore 1 Key = Z refined.

No proof downvoted

Where’s the proof?

You need more proof than that

This is not how it works

Stop whining

Not going to happen

Your links are from last week

Show me your inventory history

One trade does not represent the entire economy

Tons of links still doesn’t represent the entire economy

We shouldn’t touch the price of Keys

Range is too huge

Choo choo free rep train

The problem lies with Valve Corporation

Price is not based on opinions

We document prices here, we do not dictate them.

Last suggestion was passed X hours ago

I won’t vote

Prepare to be banned

Supply and Demand

(Discussions about the Great Depression, 1970s energy crisis, 2008 financial crisis, price of gasoline, milk, and other agricultural produce, gold, silver, and other precious commodities).

Section 4

(Insert valid proof here that helps this site to report true price so that users can make informed decisions.)

This summary covers the comments from the past 75 suggestions.

yup, pretty much...there needs to be a button in the chat menu to paste this comment in the page. xD

Is English your first language? I hope you don't mind me asking, but you seem to be missing a verb there, and instead seem to have added an infinitive. Also, I'm afraid that comment adds nothing to this discussion. Could you please make sure that comments are made to add to the ongoing conversation or are humorous/sarcastic in nature rather than simply saying a longer version of "this."?

well, you see, I try to type as fast as possible to be able to respond as fast as possible...Please excuse a few mistakes mate.

Not a problem at all. Thank you for your time, and have a nice day!

Now we're going to have to include that in 'frequently used comments' o.0

What are you trying to prove? Theres not point to copy what he said on to here.

Look at the topmost comment. I'm copying it here since I feel it's more relevant than the all caps.

I actually love you. Marry my (Insert preference here) and such.

Cat? Can it be cat?

EDIT: It should also be mentioned that I currently have a GF, but I think she'd be down for it as long as you aren't shoving your you knows everywhere.

Take it! It ate my mousepad!

EDIT: If your GF is down, so is my cat.

I should ask, gender of both Owner and cat? Also, age, again of both?

In which case, if you're local, frak yeah, I want a cat.

Cat: F Age unknown (Was a stray)

Owner: Male. 16.

i didn't know base64 also did these statistics :D

inb4 massive shitstorm

u weren't inb4 the shitstorm at all dude ^^

AND i will close the suggestion...IF someone can tell me why the "think" keys should not be listed up...anyone?

Why someone doesn't think there should be a new suggestion. "I don't like these going up. I don't like to pay more. Want it shown for less so i can pay less "

lol, pretty much eh' ^

Read my comment.

Unless tf2 finance changes, this won't pass.

http://tf2finance.com/keys/ - Currently at 3.29

That's the middle of the current range. It's not even in yours.

Don't follow your reasoning.

well, what was the price on there at yesterday? and the day before? well tf2 finnance is a tad bitbehind for example last poll was taken place at - 13:48 hours (aka- 1 AM) so in that 12 hour period the price could have decreased...Now call me a skeptic BUT! the price has been rapidly changing in this market and as far as we know the listed price is at 3.66...so until the no telling what it is

It's not behind.

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/gmt-5/

TF2 Finance is on the same time zone as this.

13:48 hours is 1:48pm.

Maybe 3.22 - 3.44 would be better.

yes please don't stop pushing the prices! I want it to crash asap lol

right lemme wiggle my fingures and lower the price...

Its not that hard to get for 3.33, don't have a trade up, go search, I found 3 on the first page, they sell quick but you can find them

That sounds like quickselling, which won't be enough to stop another price hike here..Can you find any big sellers (I'd say, even a few 5 key sellers would count) at 3.33. I'm looking too.

If you hate it so much why are you doing it then?

right I brainwashed an army of key sellers to sell higher...boy im a bastard...please someone sue my for my magical powers

So what are you saying about tf2 finance on this one?

thinking of a response that will knock the brainwashing helmats off my key selling minnions (aka im typing it atm lol)

Masochist?

Key sellers will see this, and then raise they're prices and Poof! Look at all that new proof all of a sudden! Amazing! =D Valve really needs to replace the current drop system to something like Dota 2. You know, where you actually have to earn your drops instead of being rewarded for doing absolutely nothing.

yea would fix the market...but sadly I doubt they will sucks...but its the truth :| untill something like that happens its the sad truth...

Yeah, I don't know much about Valve's profit reports, but those 5 dollar premium idle accounts from new traders must be bringin in the cash.

what proffit??? gaben uses all the profit to eat for an hour ;_;

blaming the key sellers is a very childish and very stupid approach, they are only able to sell keys for this bogus price because there are enough idiots buying them..supply and demand regulate the price, the demand is too high so the price increases as well..

As the heavy says...

"CRY SOME MOOAAARRRRR"

Prices are never stable.

Makes me cry.

I hate how it was just updated not even a day ago and already up again.

Way the market works,

Some users make me cry.

Hard to say it but he's fucking right.. upvote.

hate to say it too, but the bright side is its closer to a crash :D, but...its just a hard to swalow truth ;_; very hard to swalow

I am disappointed in you GSC. You seemed to have solid arguments against the rise on the other posts and here you are attempting to move the key prices up.

I think I need to see proof that keys AREN'T being sold in the low range before I vote. But I also don't understand why you are HELPING it get even higher... this will only make those selling at 3.66 more legitimate and soon they will sell for four... and by soon, I mean they are ALREADY trying to sell for four.

SAVE THE KEYS!

do you understand how a market crash works?

It wont crash until we get it to much higher, by that time, the crash will ONLY take us down to a marginally lower place which will likely be even higher than the price is right now.

And there will be no bailouts.

This logic is annoying.

poke. poke. poke.

Guess who?

downvote, only outpost proof

and...?

Yep, hopefully valve will step in and do something, and mr.unlucky, check http://tf2finance.com/keys/ it boosted up from 3.22 to 3.33 in less than a fucking DAY! IN LESS THAN FUCKING 8 HOURS.

Prices are fucking prices. We don't change them on how we like it here but on how they should evolve in a economical order.

Sellers aren't selling the bloody keys for less than 1.8-1.9$ ,that's a increment of almost .2 $ in the past few weeks.

I study economics, if you reject the truth now it'll get accepted later on, simply more people will sell them for less than they're worth.

To add to this, due to the sell and usage of keys because of the new naughty, nice and regular crates we dropped from 400k+ keys to 379k. That's a huge lump.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/YKda9.png[/img]

[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9c124QaSP1rdoaxyo1_400.jpg[/img]

poor poor heavy...he must've unboxed mantreads with his key that he payed 3.44 for :'C

I laughed SO hard when I saw this xD upvotes across the table for that guy^

1st i never seen buyers in trade servers for 3.44 and 3.33 is hard 2 sell

2nd u can get keys for 1.20$ or 1.30$

3rd ALL VOtes are based in outpost

people cant understand.. when the keys price change, in next minute people in outpost start selling for 1 more scrap or 2 of original price, is neverending story...

yea I know...it sux ass but theres nothing anyone here can do bout' it, except see it shrug and move on

I posted a thread 2 days ago selling 1 key for 3.33 on outpost. I got 4 adds within a few hours, and one was AFTER I had closed the thread. I wouldn't say that's hard to sell. As to your second point, keys are in fact stable in price, it's refined that's dropping in value... Thus making the refined -> key conversion different. Refined is down to about $0.40 from $0.50. $1.30/$0.40- hey that's about 3.22 whaddya know. Key to USD sales are a little weird now, too- Steam Market has no sales below $2.00 at the moment and I haven't seen a lot of Paypal sellers recently, could be the main reason prices seem to be about a scrap too high. And while outpost is outpost, so much trading goes on at outpost alone that it is, in fact, a fairly accurate representation of the market...

"Valve will be releasing a new beta crafting scheme for keys. This due to recent developments on the market, Valve has decided to take actions to keep keys affordable for all players. Each key can be crafted for 3 refined (....). Beta will be released soon according Aaron Barnett"

source: PCGamer.com

VOTE THIS UP SO EVERYONE CAN SEE.

I see it untill then ! this is accurrate until then my friend, and fuck...that'll wreck the market.... and shit itll wreck the market ;_;

It will stimulate the market, not crash

no, at first yes but the long run...keys would be free, and idlers would be litteraly pullin them outa there arses...in a year keys would be worthless and ref would be terthered to keys...soon after the unuasal market would crash due too massive unboxing...stop the problem at the source the steam market and the idlers

Idlers always had the possibility to buy keys with metal, so according to your logic market would have crashed already. And it's a fact unusuals keep dropping in price as more are unboxed. There is nothing to stop that

but keys were not being added in only purchased, now there will be no need to buy keys either way^

Keys not being bought from store is a different story^

exacly no need to buy keys with real money now, horrid move on valves part

They always have some kind of strategy. You will see, and it's beta. Lets see how it works out

I don't see any reason why key prices should become less than a ref if u need 3 ref to craft one, as there's nothing u can do with refined except trade it..it might or might not become the number 1 currency once more as less people will be willing to accept keys, but that doesn't mean Keys will drop below the value of refined, u will still need the keys to unbox crates, get stranges and so on..I think it's a good idea..also the steam market and idlers aren't hurting the mannconomy at all, key prices were shooting through the roof BEFORE the market was introduced and Keys are still way more expensive there than from Key sellers on outpost (like me)..idlers can only idle like 12 items a week, there's a limit on that u can't just idle 24/7 and get hundreds of items, it doesn't work like that..all in all that idea (may it be true or not) would stabilize the key value

links? I can't find that on pc gamer. So, yeah.

I would LOVE to see this article. Can you provide a link?

Don't try to start a panic!!!

So the price changed in 30 min huh? Did you try any other sites than Outpost before you gave up? How long did you try? From the links provided I'd say you did not try any other sites. :/

I made the article up haha, but wouldnt it be great..

quote from him from his last unsuccessful suggestion: hate to say it but I put up that i was selling keys at 3.44 each, and got added...instantly...

Now a price suggestion AGAIN..

the last one I listed the price wrong and it was up for like 30 seconds whats your point?

It pisses me off.. people are trying to change the price of the keys every hour.

HOLY SHIT! STOP! Stop raising the prices on keys!!! Just because the highballers on outpost sell them for 3.66 doesn't mean we raise the price!!!

It kinda does....

I don´t care if you thing that the price shouldn´t raise. If it´s hard find a key lower than 3.33 ref, then the price should be 3.33 - 3.44. It don´t care if "we think the price should or shouldn´t rise". We are here to post the price that IS, and nowadays, 3.33 - 3.44 seems to be fair since geting a key for less than 3.33. If they are just cause outpost traders are highballers it don´t care

I'm going to try to leave a pretty unbiased comment here: I personally think this price is too soon and unnecessary. I just yesterday saw a guy sell a key for 3,11 on a server. it was gobbled up, but trades there happen. I've been trying to sell mine for 3.33 ref on servers, and I've only sold a few. I've seen very little be sold for 3.44, although I would be a nut to say that those trades never happen. I think you shouldn't leave 3.22 out of the range, because that's just unreasonable, as people still successfully buy for that. It's more uncommon now, I agree, but the price was changed 2 hours ago. I say give it a bit more time and change the range juuuust a bit, and then you'll be fine with this suggestion. Good luck to you!

this is probably one of the votes that will get a negative overall voting but still gets passed (or at least it should)..if u don't like it: stop paying 3.44 for keys, prices will drop automatically..I haven't bought a Key for more than 3 Ref in my entire life..

Me too. I sold a few keys for 3 ref back when I needed the metal, now I've just stopped buying keys for metal. Prices are just too high now.

be patient and check scrap.tf more often. they now sell at 3,33 too, but your description tells that you're ok with that

Wouldn't matter to me if it did pass but it won't.

I learned that all they go by mainly is tf2fiance and therefor that's the only thing that matters.

Posting a key suggestion just to make it crash faster...well at this rate they might start banning people, be careful!

not just to make it crash faster, but also I really did sell the 3.44 keys, as do many others, and I am also having true trouble buyin at 3.33 just mainly hopin for a crrash doubt it'll happen though, neverthe less out job to put the true prices up, so were inbetween a rock and a hard place!

1- sure you can't buy @ 3.33 even 10.33 i'll not sell keys for metals and ( more than 3000 trades stopped accepting the metals ) ..

it'll sell them only when the price get back down to 2.55, you guys have to stop this story if you need to buy keys for metals.

2- http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/5021/6/0 there is keys for 3.33 unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7633815 selling at 3.33 250+ keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7723348 unsold @ 3.33

down vote

Thanks for the free rep man :D

http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/55016

Take a look on my trades... And Shut up. I hate guys like you, Making suggestions without reason... The last suggestion was accepted a few hours ago... Are you blind???????

ive found absolutly no problem buying keys for 3 ref still, stop trying to raise the price of keys when they are not worth more than 3 ref right now. ALSO i have not seen anyone sell any keys for more than 3.11 in a server, and that was over pay, this is bull shit and stop trying to raise the price.

this is not true..stop lying to make an argument..keys for 3.33 get sold instantly everywhere u go, buying keys at 3 ref has become almost impossible, there are multiple ppl on a every trade server buying keys for 3.22 each, stop lying

In your proof, I saw a lot of buyers and sellers @ 3.33, and you said people are selling @3.44, but where are the buyers at that price?

Your sellers @3.44 section:

Link 1: Doesn't have any offers

Link 2: Closed without any offers

Link 3: No offers in the since 2 days ago, possibly sold some before that

Link 4:No offers on the page

Link 5: No offers since 2 days ago, same scenario as link 3

Link 6: Actually sold 10

Ill stop there. Most of them are just people with trades at that price, not actual sales. That, tf2finance, and the fact that the other suggestion was just accepted is enough to warrant a downvote in my mind.

buddy come to hells gamer trade server right now, people selling keys for 3 ref. They are not worth 3.33, u may say people buy them instantly but from experience on almost ever server people will not buy them for that much because there is no point if others are selling for 3 ref. Yes u can say that i am lying, but in the end of the day im not the one trying to jack up the price on an item to make a scrap profit, how cheap are u?