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3.31 is in 3.22-3.33 :)
now its 3.33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgqzE5M5trM
A key suggestion?
[url="http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/293/590/6f6.gif"]Oh boy[/url]
*gets popcorn*
yep, cant wait to see the flame >:) anyways though heres a preveiw
"Y U RAISE KEY PRICE DOWNVOTE"
"KEYS ARE STABLE DOWNVOTE"
"WOW FU*KTARD STAWP RAISING PRICES"
(please no offence to anyone that came here not to complain but to legimentaly progress the aurgument.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
I was waiting for someone to post that vid lol^ like for you kind sir.
3.31 is less than 3.33 which is less than 3.44
Downvote.
Obviously you havnt learned about averages
I'm not smarter than the average bear. That's my cousin.
Let me elaborate.
3.31 was the average at the time of that post.
3.31 is less than 3.33.
3.33 is the average of THIS suggestion
Which has a high end of 3.44
So I find this suggestion completely unneeded, especially because the average can change at any time higher or lower, so changing it based on a new spike probbably won't end well.
Hello, my name is Liddojunior. I have read your response and have come up with a counter to it.
Sincerely,
Baloo, the sexy messenger. ;)
Just the way you wrote it, made you seem oblivious to the fact that finance was an average. And made it seem like there's no higher.
And to Baloo my response was late as I'm watching king of the hill and was eating.
And I'm not agreeing to this. I perfer current range as it seems more common then 3.44 (but wouldn't know I don't get involve in metal to keys)
Just didn't like the way you said it.
No, he commented under me instead of you. That's why I responded.
its at 3.33 now btw
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7755159 - sold seven at 3.44 each and upped his price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7099322 (SOLD ALOT klaus the bot :3)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7741243
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7463111
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7694835 - 4ref each *facepalm!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7591502
(adding more in a sec)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6882406
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7753685
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7680392
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7674852 - buyer at 3.33 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7737579 - another
Links 3, 5, 6, and 9 haven't sold any that I can see.
In the last week link 7 has only had commenters wanting to sell, not buy; buyers keep offering 10 ref for 3 keys
Proof doesn't show key sales happening at 3.44 with much regularity, to me.
i sold 100+keys at 3.44 when keys were 3.11-3.22 without a single comment on my trade
Show us some screenshots then :D
time to go 1-2 weeks back in my trade history
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7659297
1 guy in this old trade
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7382501 a guy wants to buy 27 at 3.33 each and i declined, 2 peple said added
Showing my trade history of 1 week ago when prices were lower
http://imgur.com/dOmPb,Cz1Sc,NACYi,cXJQE,nx7H8,ANekX,zjlgB,cLjcI,XlgrQ,0L1RH
the 8 picute i sold at 3.66
the tenth picture i sold a lot without a discount
Time to raise the price with tf2finance and all this evididence from GSC and me
Alright, that's definitely a fair amount of sales, but it seems like most of them were bulk buys, and several of them were fairly far apart. If you're only showing a selection I can understand, but you can sell anything above market value with enough time, and bulk buyers are generally willing to pay more.
the current price isn't accurate because everyone is selling above the market price and most pro traders would jump at 3.22
Bulk buys are just as important a piece of evidence as individual or small key sales. One bulk buy counts as several small sales alone. Even so, these bulk buys and long lists of recounted small sales are still not enough to go on due to the enormous number of keys that change hands everyday. They're a good barometer though.
I'm seeing hard evidence (links or screenshots of sales) from individuals in this comments section that 3.44 refined does not take very long to fetch, coupled with Finance's report, I think 3.22 - 3.44 can be accepted as the new range.
You are facepalming now at the 4 ref seller, but that is the direction ya'll are sending this crap.
if it reachs 4 ref im cashing out swear on that, either way seems buyers are startin ALOT of buy orders at 3 ref and lower ... seems theres about to be a stand still brewing (which dont get me wrong is good) but jjust seems more people are finaly listenin eh'? hehe either way if not I, someone would submit this same suggestion and I agree with everything you say, bout the buyers puting above 1 scrap, but on the down side people as seen are all ready selling and (buying) 2 scrap higher, which is unsettling to say the least. hopefuly (this has been said alot) but HOPEFULY it stops here as I said the stand still is coming and more people are selling to non-key relisters cheaper good signs in a bad situition, as of now though. Too late to rerverse the movement of keys at this point the balls rolling and now we can just hope for a crash or atleast lower back too 2.66. Wish that there was not this situition but people like you (espciely you) tried to warn them but they didnt llisten and look what happened. Sad really but nonetheless a sad reality is no more less reality then this cup in my hand...
is it possible to have a day without have a suggestion for new key prices
no, it is not
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7760545
I just sold 8 keys at 3.44, though I still think the price should remain as it is for various reasons.
ummm ok mind me askin why though?
one word: arbitrage.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7715441
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7373823
yeah i knw. its being a dick, but im done with key banking :3
its not hard at all to sell at 3.44, im usually all sold out. I sold over 50 at that price, but i bought about 50 ish at about 3.11 as well. :3 its hard but not close to impossible. but now i forget what i was trynna say... the key prices should stop going down or the economies gonna go POOOF! :D well the prices for keys have quite a range now, compared to when they were 2.55 >.> but yea, your suggestion is good, and im gonna have to upvote
How does that make sense when the average you say is 3.31 but the price is already at 3.22-3.33?
its an average meening that theres both a higher and lower point hence the 3.22 being there
also it is now at 3.33 the mid of my suggestion :3
Get ready.
Another suggestion ? Why, There is no Need. The last one was accepted a Day ago ........................
theres a need and this one will cause another and another..... but sellers are already selling at 3.55 and 3.66 with a little success at even those rates....sooooo.....
Yeah Do it... And sellers are gonna start to sell their Keys for 2 scrap more than the marked price.
i doubt they'll go higher then this though, most buy orders are at 3 ref but sellers are getting hits, but seems we are aproaching a standstill
Just Take a look on My Outpost profile And look how many trades I have done About keys for 3 - 3.33
i sell keys for 3.44 and i always find buyers, also i find a plenty of sellers for 3.22 so i will upvote this
You need to prove that.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7742446 - looks like he sold em.
Cool, I was just asking that he backed up his comment.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7070790 - 3.55 (very little succes but few sold!)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7752337 - another 3.55 seller
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7285341 - delta's bot sells at 3.55 atm
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7760782 - another a 3.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7746630 - another 3.55 >.<
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7762404 3.66 ! (apperanlty low stock with metal in BP)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7748427 3.55 >_>
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7753982 .... 3.77
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7751507 3.66
this is on the first 2 pages of the OP search
3.33 buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7738272
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7753542
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7715431
3.22 buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7758687 (still needs 3 after 4 hours)
it makes perfect sence......
its not a set price, its an average meening there is an upper range above the current range :D hope that clears things up
*insert sarcasm* sence and meening are not spelled right
Whenever you suggest a range, even if you're just expanding upon the last one, YOU HAVE TO, and I mean HAVE to prove that the past range isn't accurate, especially with something like keys.
ok heres people failing (very slow) buying at 3.22,
first NO sellers at 3.22 or below (instantly sold)
second found alot of buyers at 3.33
third thound people slowy buying at 3.22
1 - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7705238 - failing to buy at 3.33
2- http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7673813 - (persumed failing) at 3.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7747284 - failing at 3.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7760233 - failing at 3.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7739373 - failing at 3.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7684413 - bought 3 at 3.22 after a few days hasnt bought since
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7762425 - buying at 3.22 (1 hour no hits)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7682621 - bought one at 3.22 yesterday
3.22 IS possible just very slow going, not to mention the growing numbers of buyers at 3.33 and soon 3.44 will followsuit, so lemme know if you need more proof :D
edit*
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7674852 - 3.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7536115 - bought 2 known 18 hours ago
Your other proof links show lots of people willing to sell at 3.22 often (especially link 7).
I personally bought a key at 3.22 yesterday after only 3 hours and 16 views. 3.22 is absolutely not as hard as you are implying; that's why I closed your last key suggestion.
ok let me look into some trade servers and stuff, and get back with some more evidence. For now though I can see why my last one is closed any ways BrB
oh plus the fact that tf2 finnance now has a 3.33 average which (correct me if im wrong) is the middle of my suggestion either that or all sales (ALL) sales are at 3.33 and ONLY 3.33? http://tf2finance.com/keys/
Current range is fine, 3.33 is an easy find.
aha and 3.44 is an easy sell my friend
DISCLAIMER: may be repeats : seems finnance broke :|
for this section of proof i took every five trades and refreshed the search
every five minutes.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7763584 - another 3.33 buyer
*update* 5 hours guy still hasent bought at 3.22 > http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7758687
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7725488 - 6.44 for 2 (hasnt bought yet)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7758617 - guy buys at 3.33 then sells them for 1.22$
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7616351 - another 3.22 buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7693803 - sold a few at 3.44 - bought some at 3.11 aswell
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7746730 - another 3.33 buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7763715 - ITS A TRAP!!!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7718828 - 3.22 buyer
(notice that the amount of 3.22 and 3.33 buyers is becoming even so compition is araising between the buyers forcing more to buy higher!)
more sellers
my trade, I put up a trade "sellin at 3.44 each and got added in seconds yester day (note did not sell my whole stock only a few a bump) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7733133
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7474799 - sold some at 3.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7678332 - more 3.66?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7760545 - 3.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7074064 - 3.33 seller (out of stock)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7763420
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7752615 - 3,33 seller (not sold yet after hours?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7757962 - 3.44 sold atleast one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7084465 - 3.33 swarmed with "added"
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7762852 - 3.55
back too buyers now
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7716654 - 3.22 (getting some proving it needs to be here)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7745878 - 3.22 no hits
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7759109 - 3.33 no hits (wut?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7647136 - no bites at 3.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7762023 - HAHAH
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7735953 - 3.22 (blames spreedshit for prices lol)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7723918 - 3.22 each no buys yet...
so based on this...im confused? sellers at 3.33 with no hits but at 3.44 selling fine? but nonethe less theres the study
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/key < look at that too
From a 2.66 in the past till 3.44 which you have suggested may have been difficult for people who cannot afford 3.22 and above, its quite unfair for them but there will still be people wanting to buy at high price because keys are always high in demand, i dont really hope keys increase alot though.
yea, thats the thing buyer range is getting spread thin so at this point 9/10 buy to resell in the future based on the current raises eccetra eccetra but, for the atm I suggest they watch this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
YOU GET NOTHING from keys!!! Its in black and white on the pricesheet!! GOOD DAY SIR ( Juz extracting from the video above...)
this is blasphemy! this is madness!...
NO THIS IS PATRICK!!!
You seem to ignore all the keys being sold at 3-3.11 ref. I don't even get the point of raising key prices, it's not like crates are getting any better.
for every one sold at 3.11 or 3 one is sold at 3.55 or 3.66 - so logic is gone from your comment, plus that " it's not like crates are getting any better." is wrong because people are using these keys to sell and buy not uncrate soooooo..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35iasbes3yk not to mention the average is now 3.33 which makes my suggestion right !
So, you're telling me people are selling and buying keys for the sake of selling and buying keys.
Yeah man, totally. What a genius you are.
keys sold at 3.11 or 3 are beeing resold for 3.44-3.66, so in the end it evens up thus making your statement false
Uh-oh, another key suggestion. Let the comments commence!
well your a-bit tardy to dah party, either way welcome here xD
You made 3 key suggestions in the past day, according to your profile. 2 were closed, and this one soon will be. Please, just..stop. Sellers are going to see this and up all of their prices and desperate buyers will keep buying, because we need keys.
well one was a typo...to be fair a typo that I closed myself and was up for like 10 seconds mate, the other was inacurite for the time sooo this is the more up to date implacation of the information I used from that one.So really I had one closed and this one (which is currently accurite) is still up
TF2 F just raised to a 3.33 average so to everyone that said no -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35iasbes3yk :D
anyways proof update
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7762299
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7305084
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7739811 - no hits
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7700556 - cant buy at 3.33 after 2 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6882406
no matter how much effort you put into this, I'll bet you wont get a better score than 100.
eh' ill be happy with 1, dont get me wrong I hate key raises as much as the next guy but, this is an accurite site so. Its understandable to hate on it though ;)
I really don't like this price, the price is already high enough. And many of us know the price of keys have skyrocketed. So there's going to be more key hoarders buying them for 3.11+/- and then selling them for 3.55...>:(
I miss the old tf2 when a key costed 2.44:D
Lol.. made a price suggestion again after a day ._.
Lol, I knew you people were reckless back when this got past 3ref without real rationale. Glad I bought alot up back then. Again this will end when u AND ur friends refuse to buy keys. Make it go down once and itll spiral to 2.66
Less crying and more action.
This suggestion is actually 100% accurate.
Vote approval or not, it's been like this now for more then a week now.
This probably won't pass but I'll upvote it.
i put up a trade selling a key for 3,50 refined, someone added me in an hour. at first he said "oh i already got keys, but keep me added" another hour later, he bought 2 keys (i was actually selling one, but then i realized 7 ref is easier to give than 3 ref, 1 reclaimed, 1 scrap, 1 craft weapon)
so it's not that crazy of a suggestion.
I'm telling you, this economy is f***** up man. But the proof is very right, I sold plenty of keys for 3.44. They just keep on adding me and they're always dissapointed because I'm always out!
Man getting keys is very hard keep your keys and don't sell than if this pricecheckers the key will upgrade for 4 REF