Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 3.33–3.44 ref

Price Suggestion

~57.22 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Tue, 15 Jan 13 05:03:02 +0000 by Puddilicious.

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Another key Suggestion :(

I just came to say, i posted a trade to sell 4 keys for 3.44, and instantly got an add. Got a second add around 90 seconds later. And i do not exagerate at all. 3.44 must be cheap... Thats the impression i got anyway.

Well that means that the price of keys has to be increased!

i dont really want to get involved in the whole key debate, i just thought i would put some honest input of what i just experienced.

Oh you can't? Funny how i still buy for less then.

Proof, or your comment has no validity.

I could take a screenshot of tradehistory, but honestly i can't be bothered - we all know this will get passed with "proof" from resellers on outpost. My comment was mainly aimed at OP with his "You can't buy them at a lower price", and with just 2 links as proof - I'd say my comment is every bit as valid as his suggestion.

Though he lacks a large amount of proof, he still has some. You, on the other hand. You can't be bothered, then why did you leave the comment in the first place.

And we don't know that it will be passed, this is now the third suggestion for 3.33-3.44, with the other two not passing. And of course the proof is coming from resellers, there is no market otherwise.

In the time it took you to get on your soapbox and type that out, you could have easily taken a screenshot.

Allright then from this morning: http://i.imgur.com/9CljR.png

Bought from scrap.tf for 3.33 (that means someone sold it to them for 3.22)

Now that's out of the way, I'm not going to bother with key suggestions anymore - let the resellers have their way and see how fast the tf2 economy will crash.

Thanks for proving it, I hope you didn't miss any birthdays, I know it takes a while to take the screenshot. :D

>i still buy for less

>bought for 3.33

I sold one in OP for 3.44 after like a minute from making a new trade

I havent seen a sale at 3.22 in a long time. I've been in trade servers for the past few days, and seen at least 10 people buying for 3.33. Upvoted.

sad but true. yesterday I sold 2 keys for 2,44 each in.. 5 seconds?

next step is "7 ref for 2 keys"

pshh fuck that, alrdy sold about 12 at 7.11 for 2.

boy, that escalated quickly

Well THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY

2 hours ago, you suggested 2.88-3 ref. Then you suggested 3.44...twice. Can you just give up before you get banned?

I never suggested 2.88-3. And the first 3.44 suggestion had errors in the desc and the second one was a little inaccurate.That's why this is my 3rd suggestion,but a more accurate one.

3.44 sells easily, and 3.22 is pretty hard to get, BUT for something like keys you're going to need a LOT more than 2 links. (like 50~ would b a good amount).

Not much proof for such a highly traded item.

prefer keep metal rather than buying keys for 3.3 - 4 or buy something for the metal. Many people will stop buying keys at such prices as I

Not with all these idlers we have..they keep flooding us with metal

Upvote, easy to sell at 3.66 and can take a very long time to get them at 3.22.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7424980 Been buying some every day at 3.22 off of my outpost link. Take that as you will. :)

some = 3 keys each day?

Big deal, we traders buy many more keys then that on average

I was showing that there are still trades happening at 3.22 on outpost. No need to be rude. :/

and I'm just saying just because it happens, does not mean it everyone can get it.

There's some 2.66 sellers still on outpost, even though they are picky on who they sell to.

forget about him there's tons of more sellers that out weigh his luck in key buying :P

well, accurate, but I'm sad, because keys are high in price now :,c

bp.tf admins looking what tf2finance say about keys and buds prices, yesterday they closed at least 2 same suggstions.

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

thx, i too lazy to check by myself =D it means that i voted right yesterday but Brad Pitt declined that suggestion D;

It wasn't 3.38 yesterday.

Agree, it is next to impossible to buy key for 3.22 ref.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T TYPE ADDED AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T TELL HOW MANY THEY HAVE SOLD.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7878177 no stock at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7074064 no stock at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7849155 owner refused 3.33 each 3 times

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7821849 sold at 3.66, also refused 3.44 each offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7892964 MOTHER OF GOOD LOOK AT THE REPLIES(i also added him to buy)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7905856 sold 8 and closed the trade in 50 seconds at 3.44 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7866735 0 stock at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7896318 3.66 seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7075222 3.55 sellers look at the comments

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7882107 0 stock at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7749942 0 stock at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7823433 3.55 seller, a guy says added

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7886219 3.66 seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7823979 3.55 cause 3.44 was too fast for him

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7878960 3.55 seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7826744 3.55 seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7896318 3.66 seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7886320 3.66 each,has a lot of sold and little stock but i think thats his overall sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7905809 i bookmarked this trade, 2 min later he sold 2 for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7887858 bookmarked this too, he sold for 3.55 in 1 minute

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7872354 3.55 11 sold in 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7099322 an automated bot is selling for 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7764712 3.55 each, i think he sold a few at that price

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7834963 27 sold at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7906409 3.55 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7900817 3.77 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7901593 3.55 each, look at comments

feel free to counter proof but dont post proof of buying 1 key in 8 hours at 3.22(for keys and buyers, that is just too long)

upvote this so it is on the top

So If I refused a key until it was priced at A hundred american dollars you would post proof that this is how it should be. Egads... I've been looking for minions and I think I found some...No pay,no overtime...and you only get a ten minute lunch break...if I'm in the mood.

"dont post proof of buying 1 key in 8 hours at 3.22"

That's a shot at me, is it? You wound me, sir.

Why can't we post 3.22 sales? Are they not good enough to be considered? Will they go against your "proof" too much? How can someone make a statement like that and think that it's OK? It's not OK. All proof should be welcomed and not disregarded no matter how "insignificant" it is in your eyes. I can only assume your not an adult Lusy TURNING BACKPACK TO PROMOS, to have behaved with such impunity. :/

The mentality of Outpost has really gone downhill in regards to key prices. Pretty much the venom you see on the key suggestions here at this site is what you see on Outpost. The more the prices go up, the more pronounced aforementioned venom is. If Lusy is this rude about anything going against the links he provides, and trying to whore up his score so people see this more than a calm and reasonable assertion, you can understand why the people voting against the key price hikes have been doing so.

Can't we just go back down to the respectable price of 2.66?

if you'll buy 5 000-10 000 of keys from manco and flood market again then maybe

1. why is that "respectable"?

2. this site documents prices, it doesn't dictate them

It doesn't dictate them but every trader uses it as a reference and asks for more because they know they're gonna get voted up eventually anyway. There's hardly any point voting anymore cause the higher the "suggested" price goes, the higher the asked (and almost always paid) price goes.

but the suggested price is lagged behind the actual market price by over a week. People seem to think that changing the price here will magically make sellers forget that people are lining up to buy them at 3.33

Its respectable because it means that 1 ref= $1

really whats actually happening is that ref is going down in price (if that makes any sense) sooner than later people will realize this and items will begin to rise in ref price, but still be worth x amount of keys.

but 1 ref isn't $1

it hasn't been for a long time. and it absolutely makes sense seeing as it is pumped into the economy for free every week. it should come as no surprise that it becomes a weaker currency compared to keys, especially considering the amount of keys in the economy is falling faster than it ever has.

There's another thing thI know that keys are dropping in amount but is it really that noticeable? I mean usually you can go onto any populated server, not just trade and find someone selling keys. I just think that this whole thing with keys going up is just another way for the key holders to make a profit, and i hope they eventually go back down. Weather that's soon or not we'll never know. But if people start putting up trades to buy them for less. they'll go down really quick :P

> I just think that this whole thing with keys going up is just another way for the key holders to make a profit

no shit. that's the main point of trading/business/anything. If you had a key to sell right now, how much would you sell it for? 3.33 or 3.44, not 2.66. It isn't some grand conspiracy, it's simple supply and demand. People are willing to pay this much for keys, and sellers are willing to sell this much. It seems like you're just saying "I wish things were cheaper for me to buy"

"It isn't some grand conspiracy"

ALIENS ALIENS ARE WHY KEYS ROSE OH MY GOD BREAKOUT THE TIN FOIL... You see back when ronald regan was presiden aliens took out his brain and replaced it with someone else's...years later they took young baloo and put regans brain in his head and train him to brain wash simple traders into paying 3.44 and up > ITS ALL THERE BLACK AND WHITE CLEAR AS CRYSTAL ALIENS MADE KEYS EXPENSIVE!!! THEREFORE -> baloo IS ronald regan

I remember when you could buy keys at 2.33.....

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....

I remember when 2.66 was still expensive. Hell I remember when a key was 2.33.

I remeber when keys were 1 ref :}

should've been accepted last time: [url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50f0ba32ba25366d45000003#50f20f02ba2536e73b000000_row[/url]

Oh hey it's my old suggestion :D

was surprised to see it closed. your proof caused me some serious nipple chaffing

it's was timing I suggested it too early and now the very thing that closed it now supports it's ;) (tf2fiance)

Yeah, you were pretty unlucky with that.

But you understand why it was closed. We can't try and predict the future, because we report prices. Therefore if it isn't the price yet, we can't report it to be the price.

the reason I really thought it would be accepted is because 3.44 was already accepted for the range. fioz's suggestion just moved the bottom bound to 3.33, which his proof showed was correct

Oh well life been frowning on me lately all I can do now is upvote this suggestion ;)

It didn't really. While it was nice proof, and he put a lot of effort into it, if tf2finance doesn't agree with it, it's not right. Because it means that at that point in time, for every key sold at 3.44, there was an equal amount sold at 3.22. Therefore if you take 3.22 out of the range we really start to screw up our averages.

well now that website supports this suggestion

Yes, so this suggestion will probably pass.

I'll be honest and say I'm not fully aware of how tf2finance works, but the amount of buyers at 3.33 that he provided showed me that any rational information-seeking key seller would not sell for less than 3.33. I see your point though.

way too many people buuying at 3.33 and up to get close to sellers at 3.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7906474

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7472715

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7854221

>You can't buy them at a lower price

>Suggests a range

>That rises the low end

I don't see your logic

If you say you can't buy them at a lower price, and say they're hard to find for 3.44, that implies that 3.44 is the price you can't buy them lower for. The price suggested is a range.

no, u cant buy them for 3.22 so he raises the low end to 3.33 because you can't buy them at the current low end(8hours 1 key isn't proof)

"It is REALLY REALLY REALLY difficult to find keys even at 3.44. Everyone is pricing it above 3.55 Ref. I have got only 2 linx, showing that people buy keys at 3.44. You can't buy them at a lower price"

You can't buy them at a lower price

Also, I wasn't disputing proof, at all. I'm jokingly pointing out that he's contradicting himself.

http://tf2finance.com/keys/ < 3.38 tf2finance is all you need, and it's agreeing with you right now

People should like this, this is the strongest proof that can be made.

upvote. Third times the charm

The more I see the key prices go up, the more I am reminded of Enron. As long as this travesty keeps going, and as long as this site allows this to happen, this is only going to get worse. Soon you are going to have players emptying out a full page of items just for one key. And the sad part is that you see no disconnect with it.

I mean it. On both sides. There is disconnect with the buyers, being tricked into thinking that outpost prices are the best prices out there. There is a disconnect between the key buyers, because like those who are too foolish to look at the basal reality of it all, they are using this site as a guideline to increase their profits by that one additional scrap. And then you have the people who suffer the disconnect that "they haven't seen a key for X price in a long time". 3 months is a long time, geniuses. A week ago, when 3.22 was set as a base price, is considered a long time ago? Those with no patience have no concept of time.

The way that these key prices are being raised, along with the mentality of the HURR DURRs on this site and outpost, is why casual players hate trading so much. It is why a lot of players are not trading a lot anymore. It's a neverending contest to see who gets to have the fatter backpack on this site, and the rest of the trading community suffers for it.

And people who spam key proofs, who say UPVOTE SO THIS IS AT THE TOP, like someone suggested in this comments section, wonder WHY we hate key traders so much?

liked for you mah dear friend

You've made 5 different key price suggestions to up the price, and you agree with him?

Yeah, okay.

yea but I never buy keys (nor sell them) and agree that it is the BIG sellers fault only reason I voted to up the price is because of the fact that it was true, not because I need more profit :| as I always say...A sad reality is no less realitly then the drink in my hand

Well, I guess we could just not sell you any keys. You'll be stuck with all that metal and no use for it ;)

No one wants metal. Maybe we should just start collecting tokens or something.

I keep pages and pages of multiple copies of my weapons because they have more use then metal itself.

I will just buy my own.

Please do. Once more keys enter the market, they'll become less valuable and drop in price in metal. Buy a couple thousand and fix the mannconomy for us =)

But seriously, doubters who think this inflation will go on forever: people who think like this mean the bubble will burst, eventually, when it's less of a hassle to pay $2.49 (or less on the market) then to scrape together 4 or 5 refined, even if the cost in metal of the key is still cheaper than buying one with cash. The opportunity cost is... key.

(I'll show myself out.)

Greed, the weakness of mortal man. Teach the young to fever greed and apoun it death is born. Key's, I'd rather buy them, not give someone the satisfaction of getting one over on me. Yeah I would like to help out a newbie get a key...I know the feeling of anticipation. But that's like putting your hand in a jar of glass for the last piece of candy. No one should have to pay to win, but we have to be fair to the greedy kiddys.

how about if we stop buying keys unless they are in a good price to stop this crazy madness

I understand your sentiment and sympathize, but you have to realize that the TF2 economy is just like any other real-world one.

I posted more reasoning in another comment, but essentially the fact of the matter is metal is experiencing inflation and as such keys are rapidly become more and more expensive in terms of metal thanks to more widespread alternatives to the Mann Co. Store (Steam Market, etc.), which constrain the inflow of new keys (supply) into the market.

Like it or not, for now keys are going up fast. Don't worry, like any economic bubble this will eventually end and keys will fall back in price to more typical levels. This site is about accurately catalog(u)ing the prices that various TF2 items are selling for, not the prices a majority of typical TF2 players wish they were selling for. As such, given the colossal amounts of proof, this suggestion should be accepted expeditiously (before it becomes outdated). No sense trying to stop the spread of accurate information.

If you genuinely are upset about this inflation and want to make a difference, buy keys from the Mann Co. Store and encourage others to do the same - it's the only way more keys will get into the market, driving down metal prices.

Agree

I'm trying to buy keys for 3.33 since days now, and got only 2

Another suggestion ... do you have something to do? School? Homework? Stop making suggestions...

He came with proof.....

If we accept this suggestion Sellers are gonna start to sell their keys for 1 or 2 scrap more than the marked price.

Do you think everyone is a ignorant sheep who follows a sheet. NO! The community is raising the prices of key not the spread sheet and they're raising because of steam market beta

Anyways the last suggestion was closed a few days ago... We don need another one... Just read the comments, Nobody wants this suggestion.

That suggestion was mine and it was closed due to tf2fiance being at 3.33 now it is at 3.38 there is legitimacy behind this suggestion. And when I read the comments I see conservatives freaking out over a raise in price like those politicians in the white house.

downvote this is retarded

This is getting sad. At Halloween they were going for 3 refined, now they're edging towards 4 less than 3 months later. Before long they're going to be so expensive no one is going to be able to afford them.

Do you think a spreadsheet controls what people do? Can't you see why keys are raising? It's because of steam beta market = demand up alot.

oh sure keys are 2.44 6 cents off oh my god inflaatioon.

actually yeah... because it's easier and more profitable than paypal

if you increase keys soon before you know it unusual will cost like few keys because it has to balance

spreadsheets do not absolutely raise key prices the market does, because there are events that increase demand.

well spreadsheet first made keys 3 ref at first and most people started following the price when i check at outpost like way back 3 or 2 month ago, i dont remember and i see like flood of trades keys for 3 ref and some with 5 ref

Keys are always raising keys used to be 1 ref. It's the annual events that raise the prices of keys. I swear next year keys are going to go up in price again and please I ask you don't be so misguided and believe that a spreadsheet makes keys raise. If your logic is true than shouldn't other items raise too because, "everyone is selling above spreadsheet". That would make almost every item that got bumped up in price on backpack.tf worth buds now.

Well I still blame Spreadsheet and this economy will be screwed by the stupid demand on keys

Ohhhhh mooooderator!!! We've got a code 7!

Stop putting the price up, WTF MAN!? you think the people who can't buy keys are happy with this? Are keys going to be buds now? Give it a fucking rest.

What and do you think not raising the prices on the sheet will stop people from collectively raising key prices? The spreadsheet does not control the market the market controls itself.

Yeah, the market controls itself, but the pricelists let people sell it at a fair cost, why are people constantly letting it go up, have you ever bought outside of the market!? Buying keys is hell, keys were at like 2.33, now at 3.44-.55, do you think that's normal? the people exploiting this are the ones at the Outpost, and we're letting 'em buy giving this positive. do we have to put on a virtual riot?

omniscient for once? do we know eathother? for once? use some logic when you're speaking, and there are people who have never heard of pricelist, those people sell at there will, spraedsheets only help the market, and the pro sellers, you're an idiot for not knowing this.

oh so the minority oh let's say 2000 out of users on all spreadsheets combined hm let's estimate 100,000 will definitely stabilize the economy.

I suggest yelling at metal hoarders then!

If keys continue to go up I will just buy them from mann co store

Please do. Once more keys enter the market, they'll become less valuable and drop in price in metal. Buy a couple thousand and fix the mannconomy for us =)

(I'll show myself out.)

As much as I hate to do so, I upvoted for accuracy.

If keys are continuing this nobody will be able to have keys unless they blow up their entire backpack just for a key...

Well what can we do to stop it? Keys are raising and people are demanding

STOPING BUYING KEYS AT A STUPID PRICE

You could live a day without buying keys right?

apperantly not >_> ive been since halloween without buyin keys with ref but thats just me

I sold 2 keys yesterday for 3.55 each. He was the ONLY person I found above 3.44. About 90% was 3.33 or lower, and 9% was 3.44. and yes the greedy people are selling keys for more than 3.44. I'd found a couple of greedy people and a couple normal people selling keys

Keys keep going up in price because of the traders that over price them, i think 2-3 months ago they were worth 2.66ish, i often found people trading them for 3 ref, this continued up to the point where everyone sold for 3-3.22 ref and magically~ the price went up, now i see traders sell for 3.66-4 ref, its because so many people are greedy and are looking for people either desperate enough or uneducated enough to buy for that price, this also includes the fact that you can resell keys on the community market for real money that is either a tiny or a huge factor

Stupidity to the point of just no longer trading and utilising the store from now on only.

There won't be a market to trade on when everyone leaves the game.

I just don't buy keys. Simple as that.

3 months from now:

Price Suggestion

Mann Co. Supply Crate Key

Suggested: 48-56 ref · Previous: 46-48 ref

WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?!?!?!?

While people try, it hasn't happened yet

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50ecc7d9ba25368c5e000001 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50ecb264ba2536706b000002 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50e60858ba25365a0f000002 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50cde7b6ba2536de7c000276 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50be05b5ba2536510d000072

And my personal favorite because of the baloo reference http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50dc6199ba25363c1800007d

Edit: You know what, I would love that price, $2.50=16 random hats, or 36 craft hats if they kept their value

thats a LIE keys will be much more expensive try like

suggested: 1000093238121480231880374 ref - previous 912991392499999 ref

That's even better, $2.50 = 304,330,464,166,666 random hats or 686,459,693,609,021 craft hats. You would need at least 152,165,232,084 max bp space alts to hold all those hats.

Edit: Damn, how long would it take to trade 2000 hats to 150billion alts?

worth the weight

People STOP RAISING THE PRICES. The reason they get raised is primarily because people try to sell above average on outpost. When this price increases to match outpost, the people on outpost raise to make profit. WITH EITHER ONE RAISING THEY NEVER STOP. If you look at statistics, they started raising drastically around October 2012, just after backpack was created, and it just so happened to coincide with the Halloween Update(Which was a mass use of keys). STOP CHANGING PRICES SO THAT PRICES CAN STOP CHANGING!!!!!!

which ecxplains all the sellers at 3.66-4 ref -_- great logic

The price will stop rising is people stop buying them at such high prices. Don't spam your caps on me mate, I too want keys to drop back to 2.55 Ref. But since crazy traders price them at unreasonable prices, people are left with no choice but to buy them at those prices. When this happens, the sellers increase their prices even more to reap larger profits. So if you want the price to stop rising, the only solution is to STOP BUYING AT SUCH HIGH PRICES and not blaming the people who suggest the correct price range according to the current situation. For now, the price range at TF2OP is 3.33-3.44. And tf2finance prices keys at 3.39 Ref. So I believe my suggestion is accurate.

I completely agree, but if you raise the price here, all the stupid little kids are gonna use that as their price to buy, so they will happily buy them for the high prices. Your ideas would make sense if people could FUCKING THINK!!!!!!!

Do you think that every single trader in the world will use a spreadsheet? I know you think keys are rising because of spreadsheets but just please think a moment. Key prices have always risen in the past because due to majority of the time, events, like new hats or (currently) steam market beta.

People go to spreadsheet for prices.

*umm hummm

I think that you meant spread SHIT...spread SHIT is the correct term

You do realize that October was when NEW UNUSUAL EFFECTS came out and increased the demand for keys greatly

Well, it doesn't exactly matter as the price of keys continued to climb... While both Halloween and the steam market did increase the price of keys by making it more appealing to uncrate for the former and making it less appealing to buy from the mann co store and add more keys to the economy in the latter there's no denying that the price of keys are simply inflating naturally.

Wrong usage of inflation, but moving on explain to me how keys are rising "naturally".

"Naturally" meaning the Key:Metal ratio becoming more weighted in the favor of metal. Things such as idlers, metal hoarders, and the fact that not that much metal is "Used up" contribute to this. Keys on the other hand are often used in uncrating. While metal is used in crafting, it is not nearly used fast enough to keep the ratio due to the fact that most people won't use 3 ref to craft a hat, and instead will buy 2 craft hats for 2.66 or less; keeping the metal in the economy. One of the few big uses of metal is attempting to craft weapons such as the sharp dresser using token crafting, but even the demand for this is decreasing. And I have to thank you for catching a mistake I made, but that hardly merits the fuss you made over it.

wtf its easy to buy keys at 3.33 or even 3.22

Good, then all of scrap.tf's 3.33ref keys will be mine(unless you mean pay more that 3.33ref, that's a shit idea)

you do realize that's how people lowered the price on crate 40s right?

Right after they raised it because it would "stop dropping"

That's right. But the price right now is moving towards 3.44. Just because you can find a few keys at 3.22, doesn't mean the price should be set at 3.22. The percentage of keys sold at 3.44 is probably 95% and the rest of the 5% is spread out in the 3.22-3.33 range. There should be a range for keys, but not too large. 3.33 - 3.44 is the correct range for now and the solution to stop the increase in price? Yeah you were right, stop buying them! But just because you don't want the price to be changed to the accurate value, doesn't mean that the current 3.22-3.44 range is correct. I believe my suggestion is accurate and don't blame me for the increase in price of keys. I'm just telling people that "Hey, you can use this as a guideline to buy keys at 3.33-3.44".

do u guys even use trade servers? i see no one selling for 3.44

Well then can you help me buy around 10 keys at 3.22 and sell it to me for 3.33? I don't mind paying 3.33. But since you insist that keys can be found at 3.22, why don't you help me buy them? I am paying you a scrap more for every key.

Good Luck, as the great forest gump once said. "Stupid is as stupid does."

whatever dude thats how the crate 40 dropped from 10 keys to 7

1. Not a dude.

2. Have no idea what your talking about.

3. If I took a turd and said it was worth a trillion dollars. Eventually I could convince someone to buy that turd for a trillion dollars.

4. Don't take someone else's word on how much something is worth.

5. If you have read this far I applaud you, there is a little more.

6. I lied there is no more, see what I did there.

oh wow ur funny. didn't take someone else's word on it. BOUGHT AND SEEN other people sell for 3.33

We need a guy with 2000 keys in each of his 10 alt accounts that sells for 2.66 each.

Correction; we need people to stop selling to resellers. That's what is currently causing the exponential increase of key refined/metal ratio. If you took all the resellers off of the market, you'd be left with very little demand from buyers and that would cause a downturn in prices.

But because outpost has people selling beyond reason as per usual, that's probbably not going to happen.

ppeople sell to resellers who sell to buyers who sell to resellers who resell to resellers selling to resellers who plan on waiting for 4 ref keys there goes 100 keys to people who wait for higher prices 0_o its really complicated

When you can faster profit from a reseller, why would you refuse the buyer?

that is true and they want as much scrap profit as they can XD

>mfw people say that the Mannconomy will crash due to key prices

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/559/stewie.png

meh my anwser to people who add me looking for cheap keys

http://i.imgur.com/PhOIs.gif

Well, how about this counter proof: 3 different trades in last 30 minutes alone. All for 3.33 ref each.

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9004640 - Guy selling 1 key - no one bought it at 3.33

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9004618 - selling at 3.33 ref - bought

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9004602 - selling at 3.33 ref - sold 3, still has 1 left.

Not hard to find at 3.33 ref. Should be middle range, I think still. And I saw selling for 3.11 to 3.22 ref earlier (which I bought), just can't find the trade any more.

In the thread: Individuals who do not realize that the Mann-Conomy is an actual economy and as such behaves like one.

Like any other world currency, metal is suffering from drastic inflation, driving the price of keys up. This began during the Halloween event (drastic demand upsurge), and continued due to new developments like the Steam Market - permitting even newer players to purchase keys (and select other items) for a lower-than-Mann. Co-price.

The caveat? The only supply of keys (and certain other items) into the market (Mann Co. Store, only way to get truly brand-new TF2 items) reduces drastically, increasing keys' value as demand remains constant. As such, metal inflates - everything it can buy is simply worth more, and it, being a non-Marketable non-Purchasable essentially free in-game item, declines in demand.

This is simply how it is - an economic truth. Like any other economic bubble, of course, this will "pop" eventually, with keys falling dramatically and re-stabilizing at a lower price. When? Nobody knows. Perhaps when metal becomes Marketable on the Steam Market?

Yes, most typical TF2 players don't like this inflation of metal. Yes, it is true that price guide sites have the unfortunate side-effect of sometimes dictating market prices instead of merely charting them. Still, there is no use whining about it and ignoring the countless pieces of evidence that have been provided by numerous posters. The purpose of this site is to accurately indicate the price items are selling for, not the price a majority of individuals wish it was - think of this like the real-world economy.

Keep calm, carry on, and wait for the inevitable crash. It has a real living, breathing, valuable economy, but it's still just a game.

Anyway, upvoted - lack of proof by OP, but commenters have provided an excellent body of proof.

$1.25 keys are now much more appealing than using ref.

Every time I see a key suggestion raising the price up, it makes me cry

Let it all out!

key's price rise,while some of the items don't,it must be brought down or just in 1 or 2 year,a key will worth someone's entire inventory or a lot of genuine