Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 3.33–3.55 ref

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~57.22 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Sat, 19 Jan 13 09:24:15 +0000 by Puddilicious.

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You need about 5 thousand more links man :I (To stop the inevitable shit storm)

By the way I love the avatar ;)

I can see a storm of people, who's going to hate you for being the one "causing" the price to be higher.

And say that you need like a ton of links. (You don't really need a lot of links)

But i think this probably is true.

Mmm...... I agree with every1 else, you need more proof Im afraid.

It is a never ending cycle really. The market will eventually crash.

Key price - 3.33 - 3.55

Sellers will sell at 3.66

It happens.

The story about how keys are rising, is really complicated. Every link I clicked in the past suggestions have at least 100 comments and debating lol.

added it in, sorry for the wait :3

here b4 shitstorm

The storm is already here my friend.

We shall debate in the shade.

well keys have cleary gone up, its hella easy to sell higher, yester day on a server I saw a guy buying 2 for 7.11 ref!

proof 1A

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7964101 - selling a few at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7966070 - buying at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7972933 - buying at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7958042 - buying at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7874345 - in five days bought 7 at 3.33 (1B)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7099322 - klaus...again sells very succefuly at 3.55

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(1B)

the 3.33 ref trades... Amiditly keys come in at 3.33 about as fast as 3.55, now ANYone that sells at 3.33 indefenitly buys at 3.22 anyways...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7977858 - buying 2 at 3.33 (still does not have them)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7942374 - few bought a 3.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7472715 - getting few at 3.33

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2 (A)

3.55 and 3.66 sellers are having mild success, atleast up till now.

1- see klaus the bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7984324

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7425987 - (bot) buys at 3.33 and sells at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7979692 - 7 ref for 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7962977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7977751

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7970864

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7902697

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7945519

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7941109 - 3.66 each (sold 2)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7534818

just some notes

1) we dont "make" key prices, the proofs in the trades, already sellers at 3.66 etc

2) I do not change prices

3) well let the flame begin

proof 2 (B)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7986869 - 3.44 BUYER

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7936120 - 3.33 buyer (bought VERY few)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7997023 - failing to buy at 3.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7991373 - 3.66 REF BUYER!!!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7986869 - 3.44 buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7995882 - 3.44 buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7952878 - 3.44 buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7826744 - 3.55 seller (succesful)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7992936 - 3.44 buyer

I love your kind of person, the person who spends alot of their own time to find alot of proof just to help other people out. Respect.

gtfo

.....

Somebody's mad.

Do you hear that traders?

Lenny hears butthurt.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Hey, if you can get keys for 3 ref, wouldn't a price increase mean a bigger profit for you?

inb4 "cuz rising key price cycle" and the term "inflation"

Im not a lame dude who resells keys. Every time the price raises on backpack.tf its harder to buy them at my regular price, not impossible but just harder

http://tf2finance.com/keys/ - Currently at 3.42

Might actually be right :(

sadly......sadly I miss my 2.66 ref keys :"( now metal/key wise im poor as crap

you keep saying that but this is the 2nd time in short time you try to raise price of keys

both are biased suggestions form key sellers part

Don't think any price should be based on buyer trades also. Because if we did that on any other item people would rage.

Like how he probably flagged both of you. Liked them to remove the flag lol

just some notes

1) we dont "make" key prices, the proofs in the trades, already sellers at 3.66 etc

2) I do not change prices

3) well let the flame begin

read number 2

yes, you do change prices. Your last suggestion on keys was accepted 9 days ago.

yes they maybe sell for 3.66 but I can also buy keys for 3 ref. Stop being biased and using sellers side only as proof.

He used buyers and sellers...

It weights more on sellers side. There are buyers for 3 ref, 3.11 ref, 3.22 ref which are not considered

Those are all unsuccessful buyers. I can be a buyer at 1 ref and whine about it all day, but if I don't get any sales I won't get considered.

i dont know. Every time i tell somebody to buy keys with their lame metal, they get upset about the fact that its hard even at 3.33

And when they were just telling me its easy.

So maybe those buyers aren't that successful to be considered in a range. Meaning its quicksell price.

prices are based on the compromise between what people want to buy for and what people sell for. The above evidence shows that people DO want to buy at that price (sadly :( )

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7912477

You've bought 12 keys my foot, you have 0 in your bp.

You can buy for 3 ref? Go to your trade history and prove it.

careful...I smell a butt-hurt

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7686030 sold 34 according to himself... well where did all that metal go then?

maybe in bills and earbuds.

http://backpack.tf/profiles/cubexgames

Doesnt look like much trading to me. I'm just pointing out that with these resellers you can't just take thieir word for it

and there...there is the biggest problem of all, the people who lie and scam to trade, my buddy from school, first unbox is an unuasal. He gets it when im not online and gets sharked....Guy gave hime bout' 5 hats for his.

Proof: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7796249

The trade was closed due to the fact that he ran out of metal, but this is proof that people are willing to pay 3.55.

thank you kind sir

holy hell I just found someone buying for 3.66 ref 0_0 and hasnt bought their keys yet...careful...I smell...desperation

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7991373

upvote, iz gud deel :::D:D:D

dont know if sarcastic....or trying to be sarcastice ._.

Oh boy, this is gonna get ugly.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7986438

People still sell for less than 3 keys you can all suck it:DDD

Didnt even last a min open

That's 1 guy, you need more counterproof, but gotta admit that that was fast as hell.

I have been unable to sell a key for 4 ref. Obvious downvote/sarcasm. I'm actually trying to sell keys for 4 ref to see if anyone would take it. So far, no.

I have noted that each week key value goes up buy 1 scrap (0.11).

If it goes at current range, in 1 year key prices will be 3.44 (current value) + 51 * .11= 9.05 ref

9.05 REF! for key if it goes by this rate

too cheap

Soon I'll be voting on Bill's Hats for 1 Key. Ridiculous.

bill's for a key, too expensive, try 7777777 refined per key, and 1 key = 3-4 bills

Damn that's a big "crash" for bills

I'm sure this suggestion alone has risen the key prices up slightly...

I've been finding it pretty easy to get 3.44 ref keys, no need to rise the price yet.

well finance just raised to 3.44 making this suggestion accurite, not to mention the amount of proof and people WILLING to buy at 3.55 :| well see you in a week for 3.66 keys

Curses, you beat me to it. I was going to suggest this price myself.

If it doesn't pass today, I will submit it the next time..but for now upvote

PS. I love the way you complain about the rising key price but you vote it up.

I'm serious..if I do it, they say it's for greed, but what you do it, they don't much to say :)

Upvote, I don't really need to verify to know this is accurate.

The only possible crash I see, is the fact there are cash sellers who sell their metal for cash, and then use that cash to buy keys.

Not sure if that affects the non-cash trade market or not.

Besides, we got all these metal hoarders who buy keys from us constantly giving us profit. You take away those hoarders and who's left to buy our keys?

Second, if there is a crash, it won't hurt me.

Every time I sell enough metal to earn another key, that's another key in my BP.

If keys were worth less, it will still have the same principle, I'd just have to sell less keys.

^ This is referring to the key/metal only trades I do, I do a lot better with item selling

Well just put a suggestion of 5 ref then... just keep messing up the economy...

[sarcasm]This comment is totally needed.[/sarcasm]

I would but 5 ref...is just...is so cheap

i'd need a LOT more links to be convinced; keys are pretty much the most traded item that the item's price can be changed; you'd need at last 50 links or more before you convince people that the market has changed that much.

Hop on a trade server and you will pick up keys generally at 3-3.33ref. Normally people will only pay 3.44ref when they are in need of keys fast.

after

1 key = 1 bills

naw bills are too expencive then, try 1 key=3 bills

why dont u people get it..... if u raise it by a scrap people will sell it a scrap more... and willl go up and up.... y cant we keep it at 2.66 or 3 ref or something

thats why finance is here my friend, they track trades on all fields, meening it cannot be baised, or influental, and atm it is listed as 3.43-3.45 Now correct me if im wrong. But is that not the range of this suggestion? or are ALL the trades happening at 3.44? either way, a price change IS in order. Not to mention I was one of the biggest people making that VERY SAME aurgument (dont believe me look at my comment/forum history) until I relized that saying it cant stop anything, and that theres no pointin fighting out the reselling resellers, just buckle down, dont buy keys, and hope for a crash.

Because backpack.tf isn't a magic spreadsheet where everyone will instantly follow if a price is changed.

Some hero should bring back the old price

Im sorry Mr.thunder...I dont do tights.

And this is why I'm happy that I got out of key trading.

arn't we all glad we got out of key trading, its unstable as hell, and to be honest heres WHY we are dealing with it:

sellerA

selling keys 2.88

buyerA

buys the keys

buyerA

sells the keys at 3 ref

buyer B

buys

Buyer B

sells at 3.11

so on so-forth

Personally I think this key inflation is gonna end sooner or later. Inflation at this level (keys were only 2.44-2.66 around October) is destructive for any economy, virtual or otherwise. Either valve will do something to either increase the key supply or to make metal more valuable (both unlikely), or the price of keys will increase so much that ordinary players won't be able to afford them on a consistent basis, draining the key market of most of it's customers. At that point it will be just the wealthy selling to the wealthy, decreasing the total volume of key sales from the mann co store and cutting into valve's revenue stream, at which point they'll likely act.

So your saying if we keep raising the prices, valve will notice and get mad, and make some actual use for metal?

I really doubt that if keys are being sold back and forth for cash profit, as long people use the market to buy and sell keys, valve gets a nice cut.

The big time key traders still use paypal. The only people I see actually using the steam market are amateurs and ppl experimenting with it. The 15% fee turns away quite a few people.

I'd rather have $2.15 steam funds instead of $1.40 paypal. And on the steam market, there's a nearly limitless supply of buyers.

These customers buy in 1s and 2s. On source op you can see ppl buying bulk deals in the 100s. Many ppl still prefer paypal because, well, you can't use steam funds to pay the rent can you?

You can sell games you bought with your steam funds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7767863

Keys already sell fine for 3.66

I sold 28 keys in one trade, I got annoyed with the fact everyone was taking away all my keys, so I raised my prices more and closed that current trade.

I was already buying keys for 3.44 for a week now.

btw tf2finance.com is at 3.39 now

So far the highest I seen was 3.44

Might be a day early for approval, might not

yeah buying at 3.33 is pretty slow but totally still possible.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as scrap.tf continues to get a couple of keys every hour that I can buy for 3.33ref, you can do whatever you like with the key price.

Sigh. I miss the days of the keys being 2.55.

I miss the old days of 2.33 >_>

Watch keys become 5 ref soon.

I hope then the dum.... nevermind (ain't worth a warning) but I hope by then people relize the amount of infleunce and changes that that little 2.88 suggestion caused :| it turned our econimy upside down...maybe...just maybe, we can fix this by then...But until that moment comes, we must maintian an accurite enviroment, lest we become a new spreedshit (maniplating for unknown reasons) the hope remains though...that perhaps a new dawn will shine through the crisp winter air. We are the ones,my friend. The caytlists to change the prices, not here, not them...Us....

well said.

I've bought many at 3.33

yea and........? thats why 3.33 is IN the range, its not 3.44-3.55

Fortunely I never have to buy keys, a lot of people pay me with keys, but the issue I got is that the profits you make with keys so expensive gets lower and lower after you convert your metal into keys wich is kinda the official currency, and also basicly almost your items keep loosing value.

Completely Agree I Do The Same Thing At The End Of The Day Not Metal And Just Keys!

This information is garbage. There is no proof, just the community trend. If keys are 3.33 people will sell at 3.44. If high end is 3.44 people will sell at 3.55. This is what drove the keys all the way up from 3 ref. The data is just the people who sell keys above normal price.

Keys selling at 3.33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7995322

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7995386

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7995462

And much more, can't find links anymore.

grats... heres a guy buying for 3.66, just canceled out your proof :3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7991373

What I'd like to say about key prices is that is this is the only high end currency here. Think about it, if we say an item is worth 3 ref, can we substitute that as a key? and then would it be NOW worth 3.33-3.55(some items are worth 1key/3.44ref)? Lets say that the only currency to begin with was metal (which it bloody was to begin with). Earbuds are worth 90 ref but lets just say 80. Then earbuds would only be 23-24 keys instead of more. So what I'm asking is that if prices should equate to only refined metal? So then pricing would be easier? Maybe? I honestly don't know/don't care about key prices. It's just one influential question that will beckon on moreover. IF keys rise more then really, everything else key price rises where as metal is substantially worth less.

well what do you use to buy buds? ref? or keys? same with bills, unuasals ect... 9/10, people WILL pay in keys/buds.

It was an example but I see your point. However there is a large market where people don't only buy unusuals, bills, buds, high end miscs and hats. It was more of a question to ask people to think about.

Certain items that are border line key price will either be forced to lower in value or be turned into a key price.

Some items traders are willing to use the same amount of keys and not worry over a few scrap differences.

There's been many times where I set a price at 2 keys + 2 ref.

Some guy adds me and has no metal and says "can I just give 3 keys"

That's how unpopular metal is sometimes.

Yes I do understand that metal is unpopular because of its worth in this market however this is honestly an act of greed towards the odd amounts of players who can actually afford this ridiculous amount. I'm scoping on the fact that quite a huge percentage of people who play tf2 only use metal because, f2p's becoming premium, not that rich etc etc. Lots of voters here are arguably mid class of the group/rich.

I was once poor, I worked my way up.in through trading.

Same here(:

I'm like average I think

And you're up there nice lol

No more buying keys for metal. EVER, No more selling keys for metal. EVER. The logic of the key trader has permeated into every facet of the TF2 trading community, and no one wants to stop this madness. If the admins continue doing nothing to stop this inflation, keys will be worth 10 refined come this summer, and players will have to empty out at least a page to buy one key.

And the sad part is no one wants to stop this. no one even cares.

No one wants to start a group boycotting key prices. Because the Ghost Akkra's of the world, who don't care about the game, period, think you are an idiot for not selling your items for higher.. and higher... and higher.

When will it be enough, folks? Just when? Please tell me that there is enough common sense on this site that will tell us that the buck stops here?

Or do we become slaves to absolute jerks who laugh their way to the bank, brag about the monetary value of their backpacks, and sneer at you for not playing or trading the way they want you to?

I have seen this inflation continue and continue, and it finally hit me. It is 100% greed from people with absolutely no social skills, no life, no common decency, no manners, that are making this trading process frustrating

It all comes down to the common aspect of greed. Take your bullshit about the steam marketplace price, the depriciation of refined, the paypal refined price, and all your other excuses somewhere else. That is all they are, and all they will ever be. EXCUSES.

Key traders are greedy bastards, pure and simple. Anyone who says that greed has not warped it's poison into this fiasco is a liar.

The more you lie about something, the more it confirms the truth.

I can feel someone preparing base64's overused economy terms.

sooo, I should do what? What should we do ? lie? how would that be fair to the new P2P players? If we lie what would separet us from the spreedshit we so hate? If we lie... Who would trust us? So tell me What should I/we do? boycott keys? hella alot thats done for my :(

Solution: Use Mann Co Store and with a group of others. Buy 4000 keys or better yet double current key amount.

Flood the market and sell them for 2.66 each

Win for everyone. You'll put key to metal prices to where you think they belong.

I'll buy them up. And valve makes a bunch of cash.

And your post was full of complaints.

The point is that i don't THINK it is where they belong. it IS where they belong. Big Difference.

So you're complaining for nothing?

... 7.11 That is ridiculus, And you know it. If we accept your Suggestiong, Trades Are gonna start to sell Their keys for 1 or 2 scrap more than the marked price.

Downvoted. Just take a look on my Outpost profile and look how many keys I have sold for a normal price.

And your proof Is from those highballers...

You've sold in current range and in suggested range

Looks like the Mayan's predictions were true

Yuuuuuuup every read my conciprency theory? ill post it heaw

:O this runs deeper than I thought, what happend was...

Long ago many members of the pope abducted simple people to experiment on, They discovered the sectrets to enternal life, years went on after they built the plastic space ship they found ronald reagan and took his brain training it to inflate the price of keys... then when Baloo was born froze time and put reagons brain in baloos body :O You docter....YOU RAISED THE KEY PRICES!!!

edit:

dafuq did I just read/write :)

I need a psychologist after reading this.

Yeah,i too.

Earbuds

Suggested: 88-89 ref · Previous: 26-27 keys

someday.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......bloody tf2 community.....

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50ecb264ba2536706b000002

oh the lols.

meh it'll get accepted so i guess thanks for the free rep.

well im glad there is sourceop and tf2shop so i can buy for 1.30$ (ish), as opposed to buying from the a**holes who are responsible for these prices and contributing to the rise in keys.

The Inflation period has cometh. And then "BOOM!". The great depression. I feel as if I'm the only one who thinks about this.

well, old man, this is much simialar to it, with ref beening stocks. Hopefuly it doesnt last all year though :

Were on a brink of key domination.

what do you meen by that? just out of cuirocity

and the stupidity continues.

Downvote,of course.

down fucking voted

The current price of keys has made things complicated now I don't buy or sell anything for metal it must go back to 2.66 this has gone on long enough the only reason keys are selling so high is because people know people want and need keys so they rip each other off and getting away with it, just put the price back and stop screwing up the economy.

Oh, just another key suggestion :c