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    Terrible proof, just because someone asks for 2 ref doesn't mean it is the price. The ones that were sold wern't.

    Can you prove that it cannot be sold at the original price of 1.66?

    I want to seel 1 for 2 ref :P.

      I bought mine at 1.66, I've seen multiple sellers on outpost as well selling at 1.66. It's not impossible, or even difficult to find one at 1.66. I even posted a trade buying one at 1.66 on a trade server and got one, so I don't think the price-bump is necessary.

        "I even posted a trade buying one at 1.66 and got one,"

        http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/206961/1 isn't this your OP profile ?

        where that trade you had been posted ??

          Oops, my bad. I meant that I went on a trade server and messaged a trade for 1.66 and got it easily. I'll change that.

            no problem at all :)

            http://backpack.tf/item/1379414755 isn't this your black box history ?

            you bought it from ♔Dr. Dre♔™ 2 weeks ago because the price was 1.66 flat at that time.

                Nice counter proof ..

                Suggest submitted 1 hour ago and Seller created trade selling for 1.66 18 minutes ago with only 5 views , easy i can say he's your friend .. but i'll not say its kind of manipulating. lets check him backpack .. has no any one in stock

                so 3 sold + 2 axt less than 10 minutes and only 5 peoples view the trade ? this also mean , buyers can't get it for this price easy.


                Other links 1.88 month ago sold - week ago sold - 40 minutes ago "quick-sell"

                and a link of 2 ref ? already i suggested 2 :/

                  I supposed so. But I still think that if you search outpost for 5 minutes or so, you'll eventually find one at current range, so a hard 2 ref seems too strict right now. Just my opinion. I'd look for good buying proof, but everyone's buying one for 1 ref, so it's sorta pointless.

                  Convincing counterproof, liked.

                  My vote is now downvote.

                    I need counter proof explaining each side of the range. I just wanted to include them.

                      - Start claiming you posted trade and got it easy : wasn't true

                      - then states you bought in servers : 2 weeks old

                      - then asked your friend to sell for 1.66 and provide it as c.p. : manipulating

                      - then providing links had been sold month ago - 2 weeks ago for more than the price even when it was 1.66 at that time . : so what ?

                      - then providing link sold for 2 ref , already my suggest 2 ref ., yea so what ?

                      - then " i just think " , " my opinion " : "just to include " bla bla


                      i'm gonna sleep : take your time to search and/or create some counter proofs tomorrow

          Since you have valid points that I don't want to point out w/o starting an argument, I'll just point out some things.

          1. The guy is not my friend. He never has been, and I have no idea who he is.

          2. I provide the 2 ref link "just to include" the range of 1.66-2 ref.

          3. I say "I just think" because it's my opinion and I don't want to shove it down anyone else's mouth.

          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8241169 - 1.88, WITH kills while explosive jumping, plus it's a new trade.

            Lol, I guess you got lucky on the 1 key sale. I once sold a carbonado rocket launcher for 1 key too, some ppl are not familiar with prices, it seems.

              Some guys buy what they just want for 1 key, no reason what the price says. There have been so many examples. Even hats. I remember when i started, i tried to uncrate every strange weapon i wanted. Not knowing thers OP etc. where i would have gotten 3 or 4 pieces for 1 key. So buying some crap for 1 key is another beginner-option i think.

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8041321 - rejected 1.66 then 2ref

                  True, I have to agree with you on that part. Beginners who aren't familiar with the price and willing to spend more bucks will just buy their desired items with a key.

                I sold 2 for 1.66 ea. and I bought 1 in the same day for 1.66 .-.

                  why do you buy one when u just sold two for the same price?

                  You state that they easily sell for 2 - 2.3 ref, but suggest it at 2? Why not 2 - 2.3?

                  Summary

                  Can we find sellers rejecting 1.66 and sold for 2 ref ?


                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8092905 ignored 1.88 offer , sold @ 2

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8204054 rejected 1.66, sold 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7435304 sold 1 key 3 months ago, sold 2 ref those days

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4324479 reject 1.77 , looking for?

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8113883 with 3 craps parts (1ref) suppose to be 3 ref, but sold 4.22

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8204054 rejected 1.66 , sold 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8228230 2 ref : unsold

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8206212 2 ref : unsold

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7933282 2 ref : 13 had been sold at 2 ref each

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8092905 2 ref : sold

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8063017 2 ref : 2 of 3 sold


                  can we find seller successful sold for more than 2 ref and or rejecting 2 ref ?


                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8041321 rejecting 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8222005 2.33 : sold

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5563828 2.66 : sold

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8230201 1 key: sold


                  update all trades today and here every single new trade, looking if there is 1.66 around


                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8252090 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8235153 reject 1.66, want 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8223483 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8218804 2.33

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8239995 2.22

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8206212 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8224785 3 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8223873 reject 1.66, want 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8249587 3 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8220933 buyer offer 2 ref , didn't takes

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8228230 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8228809 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8237765 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8250745 2 ref

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8247431 buyer offer 1.66 ref , didn't takes

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8248422 i offered 1.66 , no answer

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8243549 1.88

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8243549 2.22

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8238034 2.33

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8233759 2.33

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8232885 quicksell 1.88 : sold fast

                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8211322 1.66 : sold

                  So , only 1 of the whole sellers found for 1.66 and sold fast


                  since there sellers still selling for 2 ref flat , no need to move it up more than 2 .


                  Cheers

                    most of them are looking good for me so yes, it`s time any RL gains some value.

                    I'm giving you a bonus

                      Well, I just sold one for 2 ref + Scouts Killed part (0.66) so its definitely possible to get even more.

                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8267145 Some supporting proof I sold for 2 ref in 2 minutes

                        Honestly I'm wondering if this should be the price as quite a few are selling for 2.33

                        So would it be better as 2-2.33?