Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 3.44–3.66 ref

Price Suggestion

~57.22 ref

370 votes up

309 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 04 Feb 13 18:10:43 +0000 by An Average NTR Enjoyer.

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I have actually been selling quite decently at 3.66.

Buying at 3.44 has started to become hard. Get 3-4 adds a day at most.

I can post tons of links to people buying/selling for those prices and in-between, but it's kinda pointless. Admins will do their own research on the subject. I can show screenshots of the 100+ keys I've sold over the weekend at 3.66 if you want.

This post has so many downvotes that it is hidden by default...that has to be some kind of record for the starting post.

~~censored~~

Post at least this.^^

PS: You little rebell, see your notifications explode! :P

Awww, can't I have a little fun?

I think I'm going to wait like 6-7 hours, then pull in like 10 pages of proof.

Ok, have your fun. :D

What if I posted proof for you?

Go for it.

I'd do it bro, don't make me, I swear I'll - what?

I'll have a go. Nothing too big, but enough so that the people who downvote this on principle won't lose any rep.

I think people are just upset about what you did to refined metal: http://i.imgur.com/e7DEIkM.png Your suggestion actually made it worth more/less than 1ref

You mean saved it from being worth less? Yep, bad on me.

Brad fixed that already. :)

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/510e66b5ba25362533000001

This one got -17 too, but I think you can beat it.^^

EDIT: 1 second after I posted this yours got -18. lol

Yeah...but you aren't counting all the people who are downvoting every comment I make like it will make a difference.

They better hope this passes. If it doesn't, 3.55-3.66 is just around the corner.

Overall, I'm at -40 currently.

I've been thinking about making a suggestion for that range, actually. People may hate it (no more than me, I neeeed keys for my business to keep growing) but backpack.tf has a sort of duality with the market: It changes the market, and in turn is changed by the market. I've had several people refuse to sell to me for 3.5 each (7 ref for 2) because they would get more elsewhere. Luckily, 3.66 ref seems to be the high end for now.

*PERSONAL SPECULATION: I think they're likely to end up around 4 ref by the end, assuming people aren't all money grubbing numbskulls, but what are the odds of that?

I hope so, one would truly hope that 4 ref would be the top, but hell many people said that about 3.33 and 3.66, so im beinging to doubt that keys will stop anytime soon, unfortunitly. Problem is metal is free you know, so people with sandbox can get enough ref to not care what they have to pay, cause you know its free and all.

Grammar and spelling, please. They are currently atrocious, and make you sound uneducated. I've been saying 4 ref as an upper limit since they hit around 2.88 ref, and the math supports that statement. However, the TF2 market is very much like a developing economy: At this stage, people would normally have called this an economic recession, and started to act upon it. However, there are 2 major flaws with this comparison of the Mannconomy to real life: There is no governing body with our best interests at heart, and Refined metal isn't doing anything. It's depreciating relative to keys, but everything else is remaining stable relative to each other. You want a good comparison? Look at the booze tax laws that they tried to pass pre-Prohibition, when liquor was used as a currency. It became more and more expensive to use the barter system, and each time it was used, it drew out more currency from the local market, in essence crashing the local economy. That's pretty much what's happening now: Each time keys are traded, ref is added to the market (with idling, but also from purchases) while very little leaves the market, either from crafting or people quitting. Valve's given people the power to print their own currency, and we've done exactly what was expected, and screwed it all up.

"Grammar and spelling, please."

yeah sorry bout' that mate xD I have dyslexia

but esecntialy yes, thats what I meen and parrell to what you said, Imagine if someone sold 100$ bills for 50$ and had apporval by the goverment, we'd be screwed.

how I felt liking this comment

Boo!!! Don't raise the price!!! I remember when it was 3 plugged nickles and a bag of sand!

man shoo, I rember when you could buy a gente man's top hat for 2 pence

close this before you get -1000 rep. I see that it is possible to sell this for 3.66, but without proof, you going to get swarmed with downvotes.

Do you think I care about downvotes?

That and it probably wont pass

Seeing as how TF2 Finance has been hovering between 3.5-3.55 over the last 4 days, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

False. The amount of rep that you can gain/lose from any suggestion has a cap. He would only lose like 30 or 40 rep.

You know what i mean

and i wasn't sure if your comment was a joke or not

Hasn't even been a day since the last update was accepted.

That update just lowered the range.~

The last update was wrong tbh. Keys aren't hard to sell at 3.66.

I don't disagree, but it got accepted, and this is just silly, might as well adjust the price every 12 hours while we're at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

you should probably get to posting that proof before you get 100 comments "WHERES DA PROOF OMG"

This one is going to be fun. Anybody with 5 minutes to spare could look on outpost and verify what I am posting. Me posting 30+ trades of people successfully selling for 3.66 isn't really going to make a difference.

Yes it will, People are to lazy to search themselves and without proof they just automatically down vote

The only ones who should search outpost, Would be the ones who opened the suggestion in the first place or not even bother wasting time on something that is certain to fail. I do however find this to be the range that everyone is buying and selling for. Upvoted

It is the commenters job to provide counter proof.

Well yeah, that's the only time when people would search if the suggestor fails to provide excellent proof.

Even with proof, commenters need to do their own research. I can make a key suggestion right now with 20-30 pieces of proof to make it look like 3.55-3.77.

i've seen those ones this morning...i cry'd a lil inside seeing some people on OP try to raise it like there's no tomorrow

Its the suggesters price to provide proof

well no-one needs proof look at the old (like 5 month old) suggetions I think this is a good price, no comments or link, but accepted because ultimitaly it was right

Wait what the fuck happened here?

Oh for God sake stop trying to change the price so quickly when you know it won't get through.

5 days is quick?

The price was changed to 3.44-3.55 just like 12 hours ago lol.

The price was adjusted 1 day ago from 3.33-3.66. Price had same midpoint, wasn't a change.

5 days? Try 1 day.

I hope you read his explanation above....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsI-G1Ez2_8

People are still being no lifez trying to uncrate that Team Captain.

Why bother just make it 4 ref from now -_-

it'l be 4 ref in exactly 3 weeks, (one suggestion passes everyweek)

Perfect range imo, i've bought a bunch at 3.44, far more at 3.55 and sold out twice (60~ keys) at 3.66. And getting more than 3.66 is damn near impossible, i had a selling trade of 3.77 ref open for a couple days bumping constantly, and nothing, no interest at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuO8IMfF-Us

Oh wow. Seven pages worth of keys! we must trust you because you have 7 pages in your backpack! That will make it okay for you to price it at 3.77!

*I think on this vote it is pretty safe to assume he is doing this to profit off of the suggestion*

Your assumption would be incorrect. (Mainly since I'm already selling them at this price.)

My assumption is not an assumption, but a truth. Accept that fact and move on.

So when you're done insulting people, what would you set the key price at?

Like you even remotely care what I say. Any Price I put will be too low for you, and will devolve into insults. I tell the truth, that this will happen, and I am being insulting?

"...doing this to profit off the suggestion..."

I'd say that calling someone a profiteer who's ripping off the entire tf2 community is fairly insulting. This suggestion has proof. You never seem to have any, only a list of grudges and stereotypes.

But I am curious. Why do you think key prices shouldn't be rising?

Do you understand that for a suggestion to be accepted, the price has to already be the suggested price?

Quick proof - Probably a good idea to read

http://tf2finance.com/keys/- Currently at 3.55 (exact midpoint)

Tf2 finance is currently at 3.55. This means that all trades at 3.55 have no impact on the average. It also means that there is roughly an equal number of keys being sold at 3.44 and 3.66. Keeping that in mind, this is the only logical range. There are lots of buyers at 3.55, who get business moderately quickly, and some at 3.44, who do manage to buy keys.

Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8382850 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8333033 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8098062 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8354548 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8395077 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7500779 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8396440 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8395666 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8396540 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8004902 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8321972 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8382896 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8379242 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8333033 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8149903 - Buying at 3.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7946711 - Buying at 3.55

Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8336089 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8234853 - Sold for3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8232037 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8144383 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8359601 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7903687 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7788846 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8391931 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8084714 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7975434 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8310780 - Sold for 3.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8394750 - Sold for 3.66

Many more links that I could've shown, on all sides of the range.

Conclusion: It is easy to sell keys for 3.55 ref, and that is the most commonly traded price. However, it is also possible to buy for 3.44, and to sell for 3.66. These amounts must be roughly equal, as indicated by tf2finance.

Therefore, the new price of keys should be 3.44 - 3.66.

Awww, you beat me by 8 minutes.

I was writing it while playing Hotseat Civ 5, you're slow :P

Pfft, I ate lunch!

I played Civ 5 in German while writing raps for Krispy Kreme/Froggy Fresh/Whatever he is now.

Do you know how long it takes to look through 2 days of sale's history and pull out all the key sales and line them up properly in photoshop??? Not only that, but I kept getting interrupted by these people wanting to buy my keys.

It actually seems easy to sell for 3.66, from what I've seen on Outpost.

EDIT: And for God's sake who flagged my proof? It is legitimate and accurate.

People that are pissed off :P

It's so pointless. On every key suggestion. There are people on Outpost buying for 2.66. Have they been asleep for the last 3 months?

At least you have a trade open. People were trying to add me buying keys who seemed to think that my price suggestion was a trade? I'll never really know.

No, just no. Someone will suggest 3.44-3.55 in a couple of hours and it'll be accepted using the proof from previous suggestion.

No, it won't. The average key sale is at 3.55. If the range was 3.44 - 3.55, that would mean that literally less than 5% of keys were sold at 3.44. Considering that there are obvious sales at both, they must balance each other out. Basic logic.

The price was 3.44-3.66 just yesterday. Then some guy suggested 3.44-3.55 and gave a valid proof. it got easily accepted. No need to change prices every 12 hours.

Can't reply below; it was 3.33 - 3.66 yesterday, then the range got narrowed to 3.44 - 3.55, and now the range should be 3.44 - 3.66.

I think 3.44 - 3.66 ref is a perfect price for the keys. Really easy to sell for 3.55 ref and you can sell them for 3.66 in an apropiate time. I think they should be 3.55-3.66 but this suggestion is great. Upvote

Ereas that - behind your finance link. :P

PS: 3.58 now.

well plaid fear kitten well plaid, BTW since we all made some key suggestions may I reserve the 4 ref suggestion I estamate it in 3-4 weeks :D (not a joke legitment rate :P)

http://tf2finance.com/keys/ -- fixed link for you

FearKitten, ty for the proof. I agree with you on this. I have been selling keys for 3.66 this past week without issues. That, plus evidence, plus tf2 finance show that sellers and buyers are all withing this range. If tf2 finance shows the average of the trades, then that figure should be the price per key, or the middle of the range, not the ceiling. Upvote for me.

i sold them so easily for 3.66 three days ago, that i ran out of keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8321381

PROOF:

My personal sells of 90 keys at 3.66 between Jan 2nd and Jan 3rd 2:30 EST (Roughly 1.5 days)

Selling for 3.66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8318929

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8395486

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8327639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6962413

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/1688551

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8378111

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8389851

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8359289

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8394750

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8285018

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8107672

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8343195

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7457554

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8391931

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8394966

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8084714

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8397408

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8307719

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7937234

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8386687

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8394302

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8160291

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8392770

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7099190

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8320943

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8177174

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8013984

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8215383

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7900067

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8336089

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7950662

Many are out of stock

TF2 Finance: Currently 3.55

Averaging between 3.50-3.55 throughout entire weekend.

Just to add: I get 1-2 adds every time I bump my trade. Every time.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/510d04deba25361f28000001#510d0f6eba2536122d000000_row

Just a day ago

" http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8304100

I sell nowhere near enough for this to be an accurate suggestion. Downvote.

That's right. The guy selling over 400 keys is disagreeing with your key price increase.

tl_34_96"

"I get very few of my keys by buying them for refined. I only have that trade to test the key prices. I love how you jump to conclusions. I get most of my keys from selling buds. I actually WANT the refined because I use it to buy things. If selling for 3.66 doesn't pick up, I'm lowering prices to 3.55 until I get my refined stock back up.

But no, I'm not selling enough keys at this price to consider it even the high end."

tl_34_96

Liar. Proof in link: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7270643

Yep. 1 day ago in the morning, I hadn't done enough sales at 3.66 for that to be a viable price. Things change.

And that last link is hilarious. I hadn't bumped that trade in over 2 weeks and somebody got pissed off about it because it said I wasn't selling keys. Because I wasn't when I posted that. I still laugh at that one.

I have now sold so many keys (well over 150 just the last 2 days) that I no longer have any room in my backpack for the metal. I guess I will stop selling for now :(

hey, buddy, I just sold 500+ keys at 5.33 ref apeice

signed GSC

october, 30th 2013

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WOW DOWNVOTE WHY CANT KEYS BE 4.66 REF LIKE BEFORE

bought easily 1 key for 3.33.

downvote.

Only one? Why not more if it was so easy? And btw 3.33 isn't even in the current range.

@FearKitten, it was proven that 3.55 is a fine high end value. There was a long debate but 3.55 still won.

Not with tf2 finance at 3.55, it wasn't. It makes no sense for an average price to be the high end. Even if tf2 finance dips in the next few hours, I believe that it's just a matter of waiting (probably less than a day). The proof me and tl posted should be enough to prove that it is not hard at all to sell at 3.66.

3.66 = 1.5$, and there is no one buying @ 1.5$

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8321650 wrote sold 14 to get buyers but failed .

Lol key price and buds price are still far off from their real value here. Also those who buy refs didn't buy keys with it.

DO NOT LET HIM MOVE THE KEYS UP

Typical backpack.tf-er on key suggestions: "ERMEHGERD DON'T RAISE THE PRICES OF KEYS YOU GREEDY ****, I REMEMBER WHEN KEYS WERE 2.33! STOP CHANGING KEYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Typical suggester's response to this: "Okay, well do you have any proof that the price shouldn't be what I suggested?"

Typical backpack.tf-er's response to this: "IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE GREEDY AND WILL MAKE LOTS OF PROFIT OFF OF THIS SUGGESTION!!!!!"

Response: "Okay then..."

Check the first comment:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50e8b403ba25360e44000002

;)

Yes, I already read that.

Good proof, upvote.

Metal is so worthless now that I stopped accepting it as much as possible.

BTW it's 3.58 finance currently.

I hope valve deos SOMETHING to stop ref farmers, you know like back when they cared about that xD other wise TODt are gonna be our new mid way point currency lol, cause you know ref is worthless now lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

bla bla bla finance..bla bla outpost..IN DAMN TRADE SERVERS NO1 BUY KEYS FOR 3.66 IS RARE RARE RARE only desperate people buy keys for 3.66, usual in trade servers is greedy people buying for 3.33 2 sell in outpost for 3.66

I sold many of my keys for $1.50 each. This would show that keys are still on the rise and they are more than 3.44.

umm, ok, why are we bringing money into this? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o

i think 3.44-3.66 is more accurate.

many people buy at 3.44 and sell and 3.66

tl_34_96 you profit whore ez downboat

i love you lets make out

well, I say that we all get together have a nice cup of tea/coffee and create two prices

buyer/reseller price

and the friendly not gonna suck you dry price (*notice the 2 prices was ment for comedic effect)

because personaly (PERSONALY) know a few people that will sell for cheaper then 3.66 accualy cheaper than 3 hell cheaper then 2.66 !

anyways point is THE ONLY (EDIT: forgot to mention metal farming :P) driving factor (why all know this is the reason dont cover it) buyers selling to reselling buyers, now the aurgument people have been trying to raise to 2.77 and it didnt work, well eveuntly it DID work then someone said I can sell for 2.88

heres the layout

With I being the market and 100=1000

I sold 100 keys at 2.77

50 of those were sold at 2.88

25 were unboxed

25 were kept

Then I hurry and buy more at 2.77 (busting out the 2.66 in the range)

I sell 100 for 2.88

50 are sold for 3 ref

50 are kept/unboxed

see price is rising, hurry and buy up as many as I can for 2.77-2.88

I sell 100 for 3.11 (notice the jump)

75 are sold

25 are kept

so-on so forth

Im personaly gonna upvote, you mad? well do something about it, play your part friends WE CAN change the price but little aurguments and rants wont help anything, you my friends YOU are the new catlystist of the price. sell for 2.66 create a driving opposing demand MAKE them lower there price, dont trick them into it, so...I ask again Why would you complain when you continue to buy and sell? Ill leave you with that.

You're selling for 2.66? I'll take as many as you got. Fact remains, you'd need an artificial monopoly, and one that's pretty damn hard to enforce, to get any sort of price manipulation going. Look at the poor sots who tried to do that with Genuine Archimedes prices.

all thats theoritical of course, (except the bottom) but yes there are people on outpost that will sell you keys for 2.66 and below, but require you to prove you havent sold any keys above 3 ref (I dont bother with them, kinda sketchy for my liking) (OH edit: missed what you said, when I say "We" I meen like a bunch of rich people who buy 1000s of keys a day and sell them at 2.33 and force the market price down, probaly NOT going to happen, but hey its a thought lol

So, you're more than willing to make a call for action, as long as it doesn't involve you at any point in the near future? EVERYONE BUT ME, CHAAAARGE! (I'll stay back here and guard the food).

naw man, not callling just saying, dont rant/complain unless your willing to get your hands dirty. If I wanted to do something about it, well I did my backpack has been dry of keys for months, but as you see no one man can do anything to this scale alone (unless your rich and wipe your ass with 100$ bills xD)

and theres also the fact that I could give a rats ass about what happens to key prices, just tired of seeing comments well.. like this: "Get a fucking LIFE guys.Everyday one new key suggestion, the real fact is that there are so many key sellers around that it's impossible to do a real range. And we base our proof only on Outpost sellers, when on trade servers you can easily buy for 3,33 or 3 ref (yes, it's possible). I'm so tired of this." and I am farely certain that that person, then went and sold/bought a key for 3.66 despite complaining.

I have been selling at 3.66 no problem. The thing people don't seem to realize is that @ .49 a ref, keys can be 5.11 ref before its better to buy them from the store. Sellers don't care about the price of keys as long as they can profit. Buyer's care because they remember better days. Well guess what, unless more keys are bought at $2.50 (and I mean a lot more) refined prices for keys are only going to go up until its better to buy them from the marketplace or the store.

Keys can sometimes be bought at Steam Market for $2.10 but meh, still makes sense when you put it in $ to ref perspective

Just so you know, the price of refined will continue to drop as the price of keys (in refined) rises. So if keys are 5 refined, refined will be worth around $.25 each.

curent price is fine. people are buying and selling at 3.44-3.55 on severs with no problem.

I have actually sold over 20 keys to 3.66 today and yesterday. 3.55 is quicksell. It should be 3.44-3.66

Sadly this is the truth keys are rising upvote

Sometimes, it can be surprising what a difference a day makes. Like making it where keys at 3.66 sell 3 or 4 times an hour instead of 3 or 4 times a day.

Yesterday, the key range was 3.44-3.55, today I'm fairly certain that it's 3.55-3.66, but this is close enough.

Come on guys a rise of 1 scrap send you all through the roof? You people need to chill, in real life the price of gas went from 2.60ish to 3.20 and you're all worried about a .11 increase in keys.

Get a fucking LIFE guys.

Everyday one new key suggestion, the real fact is that there are so many key sellers around that it's impossible to do a real range. And we base our proof only on Outpost sellers, when on trade servers you can easily buy for 3,33 or 3 ref (yes, it's possible). I'm so tired of this.

tf2finance includes a number of trade servers.

thanks for this info, but i don't know why people are paying 3,66 when it's so easy to find at less....maybe i'm just lucky but i bought more than 100 keys in the last 20 days and never paid more than 3,44-3,55 each.

Easily? I've been spamming trade servers buying for 3.44. I've bought 1.

As i said, maybe i'm the most lucky trader in the world but yes, for my experience i can say easily. Anyway, i don't care about this. Do what you want guys, but ill NEVER buy a single key for 3,66 or more. And if this suggestion pass tomorrow we can see all the sellers on OP selling for 3,77, NOT 3,66. Same thing happened with buds, "new suggestion of 27 keys cause of finance and bla bla bla", 3 minutes later on OP... everyone " selling buds for 28 keys each". So what's the sense of a new suggestion?

Welp... can't argue with the proof I guess. At the time of this the tf2finance price is 3.52, but that's close enough