Suggestion: Genuine AWPer Hand at 1–2 keys

Price Suggestion

Genuine AWPer Hand

Submitted Tue, 05 Feb 13 22:21:06 +0000 by ★ nebula

16.67%

1 key

1–2 keys

~1.28 keys

17 votes up

85 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Wed, 06 Feb 13 00:10:47 +0000 by neverclever.

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Lots of demand for buying AWPer hands for one key. One key is like an easy sell. If you were patient someone might pay more for it or if spreadsheet updates. NOTE: Most of these are unsold, but those tons of offers for one keys will soon desperately add something to get it. If my proof doesn't satisfy you then go ahead and try to find one for one key yourself.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8428417 (Offers for One Key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8438434 (Two Keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7856331 (Scatter offers 1-2 Keys.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7772137 (1 Key +1.33 Ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8340239 (1.5 Keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8430606 (1 Key + 1 Ref)

Selling for X amount does not mean sold for X amount. Sorry.

Buying for X amount doesn't mean they'll get it for X amount.

Do I really need to tear apart your suggestion? I'd advise just closing it before it makes you look bad.

Please. I'm not looking to try and make myself look good.

What is that even supposed to mean, you basically just refuted all of your own proof

Enlighten me. I'm quite dumb and slow. If 1 Keys is easy to sell, then you could probably get it for more if all these people want it. What happened to the market based on supply and demand.

"If 1 Keys is easy to sell, then you could probably get it for more if all these people want it."

Yes, I completely agree

You need to support your evidence for the 2 key end. If you want to raise the price then you need to provide proof supporting your price. How do you know it's not 1-1.5 keys? 1-3 keys? 1-9001 keys?

Well it's definitely not greater than 2 keys. But I agree that the price should in between 1 and 2 keys. The price could deviate from the higher or lower half. That will all depend when I see ones being sold for 1 Key and 1.55+/-. Then the price will be updated again depending on whether it sells for 1.55+ or 1.55-. This isn't so hard to understand come on people.

After some research, yes, I believe the price should be a range from 1 key to somewhere between 1 and 2 but you would need proof to back it up. If you really care about this price then I suggest finding some proof of actual trades and make a new suggestion. PS you should probably close this suggestion because if you close a suggestion you create you don't get -rep

I don't care for -rep.

First off.

Many of them are unsold as you said, but the 2nd link doesn't have any offers at all or any sold for that matter.

3rd link is okay, but again, unsold.

4th link is the best you have, since it shows people buying them for more than 1 key, but you don't have any proof of any being sold for 2 keys. You may have seen offers on 2 keys, but without any takers and that leaves the offer flying around.

Overall, the price suggestion is wrong. The price should be 1 - 1.5 keys, because you do prove people buy them for 1.5 keys, but not any "solid" buys on 2 keys, like the 2nd link. Other than that, good links, but change the price range. :)

Not saying that price should be two keys. It should range from 1-2.

I know, but you haven't proved that any of them has been sold for 2 keys.

"I'm not saying it should be two keys ffs. I'm saying if all these people will pay more than one key. It should range from one key and not exceed two."

No, because you saying that the price should be 1 - 2 keys, while you mean 1 - 1.5 keys, because you haven't proved that they can be sold for 2 keys. [color=#990000]Downvote

I'm not saying it should be two keys ffs. I'm saying if all these people will pay more than one key. It should range from one key and not exceed two.

theres one offer of 2keys (by user general khye, 3days old) but he hasn`t got any key. 90% in your links are offering 1key.

which is why 1 keys is an easy sell.

IF LOTS OF SELLS FOR ONE KEY THEN THE PRICE IS ONE KEY. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? :O

IF LOTS SELLS FOR ONE KEY THEN PEOPLE WILL PAY MORE BECAUSE NO ONE IS SELLING FOR ONE KEY.

How can a lot sell for 1 key if "NO ONE IS SELLING FOR ONE KEY"...?

Because many people are willing to pay one key for it, while others won't sell for 1 key; knowing that a lot of people will buy it for that?

so his evidence just worked against him, downvote

Wow looks your just disliking everyone who disagrees with you.

Like I would waste my time doing that.

there is no proof of 2 key sells. Your assuming that, since so many people are willing to pay 1 key, that it wouldn't be hard to get 2 keys for it. But this site isn't based off assumptions, You cannot assume that just because a lot of people are willing to pay 1 key, that some will pay 2, maybe the max they will go is 1.5, how do you know they are willing to pay 2 keys for it? You will need proof of sales at 2 keys, and if you can't find enough, then you should just close it and resubmit at a better price.

I am in no way assuming it's two keys. I'm just trying to say here that it could deviate from the range of 1.5+/1.5-. It's a range, not a maximum price...

Then set it to 1 - 1.5 keys then, instead of 1 - 2 keys. *facepalm*

You make it sound like it's worth 1 - 2 keys.

IT CAN DEVIATE. THERE CAN ALWAYS BE MORE LISTINGS. *facepalm*

Do you know what a 1-2 means. It can be 1 THROUGH 2.

You haven't proved that any have been sold for 2 keys.

Again, it's 1 - 1.5 keys. Are you mental or something, since you can't understand what I am saying?

Well then it wont' sell for two. It'll sell for anything inbetween 1-2. Am I wrong?

yes you are. 1-2 means that its possible to sell at 2 keys, but, its not, so it cannot be a part of the range

Yes you are wrong. If it won't sell for 2 keys it shouldn't be in the range.

Suggestion wise, yes.

It won't sell for 2 keys, correct.

That means, the price should be 1 - 1.5 keys.

When (If) this gets accepted you will see the real deviation price of this item. You are probably right that it is 1-1.5. Though when (if) this passes then you will have more solid proof.

1-2 key means, that it can succesfully sell at ANY price between 1-2, meaning you can buy and sell at 1key, but ALSO 2. But thats not the case here. It can't sell for 2 keys, so that cannot be a part of the range.

So serious about every little detail... I guess that's how an economy runs by 12 year olds works.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL im sorry that actually cracked me up. Cuz your the one acting like a immature little 12 yr old here ;) :')

Points at grammar.

im sorry :/ i didn't get any education :(

Please, your suggestion makes you the 12 year old. Please, do us all a favour and leave.

Ok, My Suggestion is "wrong" society should shun me, and my logic is flawed. People like me doesn't deserve to live on this world. I'm conceited. Am I right?

you are just looking for some reasons to highball the 2 genuines awpers on your backpack

Yes because I already received three consecutive offers for one key. I could probably get more for it either way.

all your links are invalid except for one, and that's just regular outpost highballing; not to mention it's an old trade. I set the current price because 2 key sales are impossible, and 1.5 key sales are extremely hard. I should also mention that during the time these were 1-1.5, i bought over 20 at 3 ref each.

Well, two key sales may be impossible. 1.5 Keys may be difficult. We'll see when (if) this is updated. People will start offering between 1-2. If it sells for the higher half then it'll be 1.5-2. If it sells for the lower half then it'll be 1-1.5.

Backpack doesn't set the prices of items, it reflects them.

Oh yes, without spreadsheet everything would have a definite price. SPREADSHEET CONTROLS ECONOMY. People need to be more omniscient and see this.

No. Just no..

THERE ISN'T A BIGGER MIDDLE FINGER ENOUGH FOR THAT POST!

Conceited. Let's say spreadsheet suddenly disappears. Let's see how long people can last without knowing how to price their items.

They will use backpack.tf then. Simple.

backpack.tf is spreadsheet. Do you know how many people switched from tf2spreadhseet to backpack.tf? All price checks and spreadsheet related sites/pages were closed. Say hello to mass confusion and panic for a while.

You are aware that you went all sidetrack with this suggestion and that the price should be 1 - 1.5 keys, not 1 - 2 keys ;)

spreadsheet usually refers to tf2spreadsheet.com, where as this site is usually referred to as backpack.tf. Now as you said "spreadsheet controls economy", thats not how backpack.tf works. We suggest the price the item is being bought and sold it. WE DONT MAKE THE PRICE. if an item is usually being bought and sold at 1 key, such as on outpost, and bazaar.tf, then we will suggest the price to be 1 key. We dont suggest 1-2 keys for that item, because even tho people are willing to pay 1 key, doesnt mean they will be willing to pay 2 keys for it.

i cant reply to your other comment, so i have to reply here. Yes there is a problem with that. Why should we change the price to 1-2 keys, knowing that its inaccurate?

Well, is there a problem when (if) this suggestion is passed that a new listing could be made at a later date? If this is passed then people will see on spreadsheet that it is 1-2 keys and will offer accordingly between 1-2. Mainly the lower side, if the majorities of the sellers sell between 1-1.5 congratulations! A new listing will be made conducting 1-1.5. If the majority of the sellers sell for 1.5-2 because people offer accordingly to the spreadsheet (1-2 Keys) and (1-1.5 Keys) isn't being accepted. Then new suggestion 1.5-2 Keys. Hooray!

FYI: This won't pass, not with the proof you have shown or the suggestion. So if I were you, I would close this suggestion. :)

Oki. I will try and make a new suggestion when this fails.

with all the -rep your getting, i doubt that will be happening any time soon..

I can wait.

You shouldn't be here, not with all the misinformed links, the attitude you have towards prices, the suggestion range and understand when you have made a mistake.

I don't see my attitude, which is why I asked for enlightenment. Though if I'm that hated then ban me and the problem is gone.

i just looked through your past suggestion. How do you not learn? go look through some accepted suggestions and see how proper suggestions are made. If you keep this up most people will downvote all your suggestion without a second thought

My past suggestions are retarded. This suggestion was my opinion. I'm sorry we dont' share the same views.

you dont make suggestions based on your opinion. Your opinion doesnt have value here. And i'm glad we dont share the same views... ;3

Opinion =/= Facts.

in case you havn't noticed...your suggestion is riddled with negativity, please just close it.

I don't care for negativity. If everyone doesn't agree with me doesn't mean I should change my stand.

ah... yeah... it does.... this site is run mostly by user contribution, we vote for the prices.. if everyones against your suggestion, how do you expect it to pass? The only thing you can do is change your stand.

I have so many things I can relate to right now, but I won't. I believe my stand is correct and I believe that I can convince all to you.

if you wanna convince us, show us some proof, and we will be convinced. i promise you that. your not going to convince us with your word. We want proof.

Give me the ratio of the people who actually suggest things on bp.tf to the people who just use the spreadsheet.

this price suggestion is retarded too.

Says the pony lover.

applejack is beyond tight, don't go there

I went there.

Overall, this post made my day. :3

But still, downvoted, HARD!

Ok, then.

Free rep everyone :3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8428417

Let's see how OP's doing in his trade...

-1 key offer

you just destroyed him with a spirit bomb and over 9000!!!

It's what I do.

Which is why I know it could be sold for more than one key. High Demand = Higher Price. If everyone is willing to pay this much then why not raise the price?

yes. but what makes you think people are willing to pay more than 1 key? they are willing to pay 1 key, thats all we know. you dont know if they are willing to pay higher.