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MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8544309 Buying for 3.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8580946 Same ^
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8513700 Same ^
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8556826 Same ^
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7500779 Same ^
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8608554 Same ^
Sellers!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8608679 Selling for 3.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8134815 3.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6997536 Sold over 100 keys at 3.77
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8581629 3.77, sold 17
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8287902 sold lots for 3.66 + wep
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8476487 sold for 4 ref each.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8404555 3.77, check comments, people bought.
To sum up my argument, tf2finance is for losers.
Still possible to buy at 3.55.
Also tf2finance us still at 3.61, which Supports the current range perfectly.
If anything make ut 3.55-3.77
Reasonable range at 3.55-7.77, I agree.
but then people would change the 3.55 and then it would raise to 3.66-4
People who really want to buy *right now* might pay as high as 4 ref, and people who want to sell right now could ask 3.33 or even lower. Lots of trades still happen around 3.55-3.66.
haven't seen anyone get any for less than 3.50 or sell for more than 3.77 lately. (that 4 ref seller has only sold 4 in 5~ days, and you're taking his word on that one).
it is now at 3.65
so upset right now that I agree
dem sappers
we all saw this coming.
Gj with ignoring lowprice sellers and buyers.
Also, each Tue-Wed ppls trying to sell their keys for 3.44-3.55 due to lack of metal before drop reset.
If you're trying to make it 3.66 from 3.55-3.66, you need to disprove sales (show they don't buy for) 3.55, but only 3.66. You failed to do that, and only showed sales of 3.66, which are in the current range.
...Regardless, keys have a sad, sad history of rising. This particular change may have had misused or incorrect proof, but I still fear it's going to get accepted...
Oh boi.
inb4 shitstorm
here we go.
as hoovy would say "Is not possible" " How could this happen?"
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8586148 succeful 3.55 buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8509813 again^
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8594713 again^
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8602197 another 3.55 buyer
Each of these buyers have a surplus of keys in there back pack, meening they have succefuly bought at or around this price :3
EDIT: there are alot less key buyers than before 0.o (equilibrem approaching!)
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/18g785/h_like_40_refined_w_keys_355_ill_throw_in_a_rec/[/url] Another succesfull buyer at 3.55
Not to mention every key scrap.tf buys is counterproof for this price suggestion
I like how the three comments above me are just waiting for someone to complain rather than complaining.
Someone complained about your comment it seems.
and this is why key suggests suck....100 comments full of spam, and 3 with useful feedback :/
Yep, none of these comments here including ours are usefull, just the proof and yours below that. Harder rules against spamming?
Im just getting on the train of useless comments. Nothing to see here.
Choo choo!
I was going to say the same thing but I'm eleven hours late.
You're not even gonna neutralize it? ;-;
Better? And someone neutralized all those dislikes on the spam posts.
and go ...
Key suggestions.. Key suggestions everywhere D:
popcorn, popcorn for sale. get it now for an imaginary key
I would buy some, but I just recently recieved my cinema style popcorn popper from ebay. It works fantastic!
well, because I hate Ebay I'll give you a -400% discount, so now it's only 5 imaginary keys escpecially for you
Fine, ill take a bowl >.>
I wouldn't buy key for 3.66. I know people do a lot of trades like this... but I always search for the cheapest ones...
Try to find one for 3.66 in TFop, became hard. Seems impossible, but now buy a key for 3.66 is the same than buy for 3.55 a few days ago. Just Hard.
The prices on outpost today and yesterday are still between 3.44 (very fast they disappear so its hard to link) and 3.66. although the odd key or 2 are sold for 3.77 the normal paced keys still quite regularly fluctuate between 3.55 (approximately 25% of successful postings) and 3.66 (70% of successful postings). I buy backpacks all the time and convert items to metal so once in a while I grab keys in bulk (this usually is 200-300 keys in a single day) and i spend 3.66 and fill the order within an hour so 3.66 is a strong average but still 3.44-3.77 should be the set price.
Trades for 3.66 go FAST. If you sell a key in Tf2op for 3.66 then you are like "quickselling". And if you sell for 3.77 then it will take you a little bit of your time. I think 3.55- 3.77 would be better, but still aproving this suggestion
Any time I get a large number of excess keys I will sell usually for 3.44-3.55 and I get no less than 8 adds in the first minute. Most are probably just the guys who buy them the turn around and resell at 3.66-3.77 but they are still selling at 3.44
exactly why i say that the ranges should still exist. if you want this site to work fairly you must post all ranges. you are not a one off situation. although it is more rare, there are enough of you selling for 3.44-3.55 that i can buy it for that a few times a day so a range is warranted. hence why it should also show the 3.77
Stahp with this pl0x
The tf2 economy is such a fucked up place :) I wonder how much keys are gonna rise
Keys aren't exactly "Rising". It's metal losing value.
I've been following the key prices and comments for a while, but never participated on the debate. I've seen the "metal is loosing value" argument several times. If people think it's a valid argument, could someone explain why not all other item based on metal increasing at the same rate as keys?
It is a genuine question. I want to know peoples opinion.
I heard someone state before that "All items have a natural decay of value over time, and so they stay the same in terms of metal because metal is also losing value,". Not a direct quote, but that about sums up what he said.
...Mind blown.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/c/fcab6_ORIG-you_win_1_internet_2.jpg
in the old days, keys were 3.22 :')
In the old days, we churned milk by hand.
I remember back in World War 2, as our infantry division liberated the Jews from the death camps....
My grandpa died in one of those camps. It was very tragic, he fell from one of the towers.
My gramps died in one of those camp too. A guard fell on him from a tower.
I remember in the old days Heavies were called Lights… after his girlfriend dumped him he really put on some weight
I rember when yo momma jokes were the shit, yo.
In the old days, keys were 2.33.
I remember keys were 2.33, buds were 2 bills and bills were 6 keys. Effin' misc update jacked it all up.
in the old days keys were 1 ref
plz downvote me some more ty
peoples success to buy @ 3.44 in servers , yesterday a guy sold 4 keys @ 1.22 ref each and bud for v.luger + bill xD
outpost bad to buy keys,bud : good to sell :P
Not entirely sure how accurate this is, but I really hate the idea of a flat value for keys instead of a range.
That's how it was for the LONGEST time. Before Halloween where Outpost made a range, keys were FLAT.
Keys never had a flat price. Before Halloween they were 2.55-2.66 ref.
Although, slightly before that, they were relatively stable at 5 ref for 2 keys.
"Slightly before that" as in all the way back to Pyromania.
Bit the bullet and started buying for 3.66 today, bought 7 in like 20 minutes. Last week buying for 3.55, I got ~4. It's hard but that's why it's the low.
Hell yea. It must grow up to 4ref.
um gaiz i hav a lot of keyz in my bp am i still alowwed to vote? :(
i am still buying lot's at 3.55 pretty easy.
Not agian -.-
The trend I see with anyone supporting a key price hike:
- Has at least 30 keys in their backpack, so they have something to gain
- Acts like an Ivy League economics student and makes elitist arguments to anyone who dares disagree with them.
- Spams tf2finance.com, and gushes over it's accuracy like the spreadsheet. Yeah, we all know how that worked for the spreadsheet
- Makes a stupid comment saying that they haven't found a seller selling at the current low price for "a long time," which translates to a week
- Lies about how they have been able to sell at the projected high price, yet refuse to show proof.
- Cites "depreciation of refined" to further support their agenda, and not care that they have done nothing to stop keys from going into the economy.
- Spams LIMITED EDITION PROMO on something that is at best a liquid asset
- Mocks you for not having at least 15 alt accounts
- Spams that something that has a purpose (Refined Metal) is completely useless, and you are a fool for even having it.
- Are the people on outpost spamming QUICKSELL QUICKSELL QUICKSELL on unusuals.
- Think that only a complete moron would unbox crates.
- Think the best advice to new players is NEVER UNBOX, AND HIGHBALL ON KEYS SINCE IT WILL NEVER GO DOWN.
- Are only upvoting these key prices so they can brag about their backpack size like it is a sports car they will never drive, and insult anyone with what they deem to be a low amount of keys.
- Upvote any price that Brad Pitt wants to set because HURR DURR FREE EXTRA POINT OF REP.
- Are secretly terrible players in TF2
- Insult you for making personal choices when trading
- Insult you for not playing TF2 competitively
- Making long winded responses to your list, and type in red text, implying they are pissed off at you.
- Completely ignore the fact that 50000 keys were added within a week..
- Has their whole life dedicated to raising the price of keys on this website.
- Act arrogant when trying to set a new price for the keys. Ahem - Earmax.
- Completely ignore the fact that 50000 keys were added within a week..
SHHHHH, we wern't supposed to know!!!
Let's go point by point, shall we?
1. I have like 4 keys, but I do lots of trades. Simply because a person has a lot of liquid, or in my case a distinctive lack of that, doesn't mean that they automatically want to raise the prices. If anything, they'd lose money, since they'd also have to buy stuff for those prices, and the value of their items (like craft hats) would decrease relative to keys.
2. Ivy League has nothing to do with it. Elitist arguments are bad ideas, as it means that will be filled with logical fallacies. For example, your 1st statement was an ad-hoc, ergo-hoc, proctor-hoc: Because the prices rose, and there are people here on backpack.tf that voted on it with more than 30 keys in their backpack, they are the people trying to raise the prices.
3. TF2 finance is automated, and has been verified by multiple sources who have no reason to lie. I could see if Sneeza (TF2Outpost creator) or maybe Greel (Scrap.tf creator) wanted to get into a conspiracy about keys, but it'd be hard to pull off. Remember Genuine Archimedes? People who owned one and were part of a price manipulation group on Steam controlled over 85% of the market, and they still weren't able to fiddle with the price. The spreadsheet is run by a single person, and there's only so much he can update at one time. There's a lot of controversy over his buying/selling practices, but let's face it, what's 1-2 keys profit that he was accused over as compared to the thousands of keys you claim are added every day?
4. A week is a long time. Have you seen stock prices? They fluctuate to the beat of microseconds. People make and lose thousands of dollars in less time than it takes me to blink. Also, I'm not from Wall Street, I don't even have a college diploma: I just watched the History Channel (pre Aliens) documentary on it.
5. Lies? Why would anyone lie on the internet? o_O In all honesty, one person can't change the market. If one person posts their trades involving even 50 keys, that's 50 out of the tens of thousands traded every day: Which is, incidentally, something tracked by TF2finance. That makes that site infinitely more valuable than your rant here.
6.Depreciation of refined.... relative to what? Relative to hats, no. Relative to keys, hell ya. If you still have questions regarding this point, by all means, ask away. Someone with an Economics major can explain better than me.
7.Limited Edition Promo. That doesn't apply to keys. And I see no-one, other than you, saying that here.
8. I have no alts. I don't mock people for not having alts, else I would have to mock myself. Mock, mock, mock.
9. Refined isn't useless. It's just free. You're given the ability to literally PRINT all the currency you want, and people are choosing to keep making more. Not Valve's fault, not your fault, not my fault, but the people that choose to idle. You need some inflow, but not this much. Does this mean grab pitchforks and ban idling? No, it just means people are idling, and will keep idling. Deal with it.
10. Outpost is stoopid, but until there's another way of recording trades with as much raw data, there's no other option. Also, Unusuals have nothing to do with what's being discussed right now.
11. If you look at it from a trader's perspective, it's a losing proposition in the majority of cases. It's just like gambling: Some people don't like it, others do it for fun, and some lucky few manage to do it for profit. Just because I don't doesn't mean that I have to force my ideas on you. Plenty of people like to have fun while uncrating, and I say just let them ride.
12. No one said that, cept you. Highballing's a win-win proposition for most people: if no one takes it, you lose nothing, and you can sell it for a normal price whenever. If some one takes it, yay, free money. That said, Key prices do fluctuate, just like Buds, and ref. Deal. With. It.
13. Not insulting you over your BP, and I dunno bout you, but I trade for fun, not profit. I don't care about what my BP's worth, as long as I have the hats I like.
14. That's just dumb. Look at his proof, not his name. Having said that, that doesn't extend to the ACTUAL traders, but rather the masses who come here cause they want to feel better about themselves. You know, people like you.
15. No secret here, I am terrible at TF2. Infact, so bad, I play with THIEF (on occasion) and am a 6s medic. Yup, terrible. No secret though.
16. No insults here, mate. Just you being overly defensive.
17. Eh. TF2's a game, nothing more. Competitive's just more fun for me, as it means I get to talk to people rather than die without knowing why, but to each their own. Also, this directly contradicts your point earlier, number 15.
18. Long winded reply indeed, but no red text, I'm doing this cause I don't wanna pay attention in class. Woot!
19. Proof? Pretty please?
20. Weeelll.... seeing as how I've only known about this for a miniscule fraction of my life (and I'm pretty young) I wouldn't say entire life. That, and I don' care about keys. They can go crawl up in a crate for all I care. They're a currency to me, with the added benefit of allowing me to uncrate when I want.
21. Arrogant? By all means, Mr. Humble Pie, show me how it's done!
Check the stats, rhys. That is what I am basing the 50000 key figure on
Oh noes, a dislike. How cruel, how vicious. How ever shall I live! And by stats, do you mean stats.tf? Where can I find those stats? That's what I'm asking for. Show me where the stats are from.
Um... this website? That is accessible by going to the Meet the Stats link in the Community section?
Here is something else you cannot explain away, Rhys, When the Steam Market Beta debuted in December, the number of keys going into the economy decreased from around 400000 keys to 380000 keys during the Christmas event. In spite of the Market, that number strengthened to 404000 at the end of January. A week later, that number rose to just under 460000. Currently, that amount is just under 465000 keys. One generally pays attention to statistics like that.
>7.Limited Edition Promo. That doesn't apply to keys. And I see no-one, other than you, saying that here.
Yea he is the only one who keeps spamming "THIS IS NOT LIMITED EDITION PROMO".
[URL]https://www.google.com/search?tbo=d&q=site%3Abackpack.tf+%22limited+edition+promo%22[/URL]
Someone who bothers to formulate a sensible reply to Poncho's utter tripe (I mean, his whole comment was so utterly stupid I figured it wasn't even worth trying..) gets downvoted to hell, gg backpack.tf users.
If this keeps up, I may just have to switch back to the spreadsheet. *shudder*
compleatly accurate. (no sarcasm intended)
At this rate, the only people who will be able to afford keys are the rich, those with multiple accounts, or people who buy keys from the store.
Having to gather 4 ref to buy a key with 1 account takes time. That means poor people will be less likely to unbox and hit the lottery.
The TF2 economy is no different than real life. The rich just keep on getting richer and everyone else is screwed.
You should Google "SourceOP Selling Keys" (or something similar).
The faster no one can afford keys but key sellers, the faster key sellers are forced to lower their selling price.
- Has at least 30 keys in their backpack, so they have something to gain
False. I don't have any keys at all.
- Acts like an Ivy League economics student and makes elitist arguments to anyone who dares disagree with them.
You sound like a democrat. "If someone disagrees with me, they're not open to different opinions! If I disagree with someone, it's perfectly legitimate."
- Spams tf2finance.com, and gushes over it's accuracy like the spreadsheet.
Yeah, we all know how that worked for the spreadsheet.
1. What does the spreadsheet have to do with this? 2. I hardly think one or two people posting the link to tf2finance is spam. Get a dictionary sometime. 3. tf2finance is more accurate than you might think.
- Makes a stupid comment saying that they haven't found a seller selling at the current low price for "a long time," which translates to a week
A week is an eternity in the key market.
- Lies about how they have been able to sell at the projected high price, yet refuse to show proof.
An easy way to tell if they're lying is to check their backpack. If they have a ton of refined metal and nearly no keys, they're most likely telling the truth.
- Cites "depreciation of refined" to further support their agenda, and not care that they have done nothing to stop keys from going into the economy.
I'm not sure I understand your argument here.
- Spams LIMITED EDITION PROMO on something that is at best a liquid asset
False. I don't do that.
- Mocks you for not having at least 15 alt accounts
I only have one account, so I hardly think I can mock people for not having them.
- Spams that something that has a purpose (Refined Metal) is completely useless, and you are a fool for even having it.
First off, you seriously need to look up the word "spam" sometime. You're using it completely incorrectly. Secondly, false. I use refined metal to buy lesser items. It has a purpose to me.
- Are the people on outpost spamming QUICKSELL QUICKSELL QUICKSELL on unusuals.
False. I don't do that.
- Think that only a complete moron would unbox crates.
False.
- Think the best advice to new players is NEVER UNBOX, AND HIGHBALL ON KEYS SINCE IT WILL NEVER GO DOWN.
False. My advice to new players is "The best thing you can do is know the price of items. Get your information from multiple sources when you're looking for the price of an item.
- Are only upvoting these key prices so they can brag about their backpack size like it is a sports car they will never drive, and insult anyone with what they deem to be a low amount of keys.
First off, I have no keys. So it wouldn't matter. Secondly, upvoting a suggestion is a moot point if it isn't the correct price.
- Upvote any price that Brad Pitt wants to set because HURR DURR FREE EXTRA POINT OF REP.
False. Brad is wrong sometimes too. Here's an example: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51081d79ba25365404000002
- Are secretly terrible players in TF2
How do you know that? Have you played with every single person you've disagreed with on a key suggestion?
- Insult you for making personal choices when trading
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. So... Moving on.
- Insult you for not playing TF2 competitively
I prefer to play tf2 competitively, but I don't get mad at people for playing in public lobbies. I do it myself sometimes. And didn't you just say that every single person that supports a key "price hike" is terrible at tf2? How can they play competitively if they're terrible?
- Making long winded responses to your list, and type in red text, implying they are pissed off at you.
Now this is just flamebait. Real mature of you.
- Completely ignore the fact that 50000 keys were added within a week..
I haven't been watching the amount of keys going into the market, so I can't contradict this one. Regardless, the amount of keys in the market doesn't matter. It matters what people are paying for keys.
- Has their whole life dedicated to raising the price of keys on this website.
Once again, flamebait. That's just rediculous.
- Act arrogant when trying to set a new price for the keys. Ahem - Earmax.
The actions of a few do not represent the attitude of the many. Also, we're not setting the price of keys, we're documenting the price of keys.
Most of your list has absolutely nothing to do with this suggestion. Try not to go off-topic. Save it for the forums.
Does anyone else spend more time reading the hidden posts than the standard "Here key cycle! Up and up!" arguments?
How dare you address each point calmly? Roar! I hide you because no one knows how to read the hidden comments! Etcetera.
haha, i'm actually not really surprised that no one tried to argue with me. They just downvoted my comment. Because that does so much.
I'm guessing it was the "you sound like a democrat" comment. nobody is interested in your politics.
Not so. It was a comical comparison. Not to be taken seriously. Besides, another guy made a similar argument without that comment added in and he got more dislikes than me.
Well it's why I downvoted you. It's a stupid comment. Now you have an explanation.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. I understand "Well it's why I downvoted you." That's obvious. What I don't under stand is "It's a stupid comment. Now you have an explanation." Are you refering to the comparison I made, or my comment as a whole?
This is why I don't price keys, I leave it to people like Awesome. I don't like to see 100 notifications in a day.
Stop spamming this copypaste on every key thread. The people who upvote this list of hypocritical generalizations for the 20th time are all stupid sheep and can't be counted as people at all.
I actually like that Ivy League part LOL
the only way to counter the douches is to keep inflating the price of keys until they flop
Mate dont try suggest 3.66. My last suggestion for 3.66 was closed by admin who said it was terrible suggestion. I linked many buyers for 3.66 and no one show successfull trades for 3.55 (all have empty bp's or bought very low amount of keys). Sellers for 3.55 always have stock=0
Nobody added me to sell key for 3.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8573979
Anyway im upvoting.
well your trade was last bumped 2 days ago, that may be a problem
Its autobumping in every 1 hour mate, 2 days ago ive created this one
Oh, you mean outpost?
Buying at 3.55 and getting ~4 adds at a day. Downvoted, I'm sorry.
can you proves it?
I don't have solid proof for it, but http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8550433 is my trade. In the posts you can see one guy being my regular seller and it has 2 bookmarks. The most guys don't post there when they add me.
the way you prove it is by screenshotting multiple in the same day.
keys, keys, keys
Im not going to sit here and complain and whine about them BUT! I will ask you, who controls the price? Not me. Not the suggestor. BUT YOU! You are the ONLY ones who can change this, sell lower, buy lower, MAKE THEM LOWER THE PRICE. They arent going to see "I rember when keys were..." they wont feal bad and sell lower...BUT you can make them, by making them lose the vital buyer side of the market...WHOS WITH ME??? Oh no-one :< well ok, lets see how good your plan works out
Cheers
[url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50f9a69fba2536f40f000000[/url]
[url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50ecad1eba2536bc2f000001[/url]
You don't understand key prices?
no wasnt sayin that, just thinking, any ways, lol Im not going to sit there and deny key prices. But, im not going to say "why cant keys be lower" then go and sell a key to a guy for 3.77, know what I mean?]
(edit: also havent bought/sold more than 2 keys for over 3 ref)
I understand. I haven't sold a key for metal in about 3 months, but that's because there's no profit to be made in doing so with key prices so unstable. Selling a key for 3.33 ref was a great deal a month and a half ago, but now is just for the quickbuyers. I only buy keys for metal if I get a little too much in my backpack from trading.
Why waiting, let's make keys 4 ref each already. Gotta go to space? Yeah, gotta go to space.
"Selling my keys for 5 ref each, PRICE IS FIRM.
We all know that'll happen one day so don't even bother criticising my price."
halloween 2013, in b4 the shitstorm,
one key = 6.33 ref
"I remeber when keys were 5 ref, why cant we go back to the good ol' days? :<"
^all this right here!
this is what annoys me, i cant even do trading for simple things anymore without having to constantly check the last updated price of the item and current price of keys to make an accurate judgment and determine my buying price for said items.
hahahahaha: 'Days since last price suggestion:6' Dammit boys! we almost made it a week! (that sounds really good if you think cave johnson's voice when you read it)
And i really wanted that, "you made it a week without fucking up the buyers day" cake, fuck. :(
hahaha, sorry about that man!
here we go again. although i agree the price has gone up, this suggestion will never get approved simply because the is no range. there are so many key resellers out there who if they even have stock means they have bought it for lower. so no. no range mean no.
Just bought another key at 3.55, guy even sat waiting for me for about 30 minutes.
Bought several in the past few days alone
EDIT: Am I the only one actually posting something that doesn't involve getting butt hurt over the fact that someone decided to up key prices?
On a side note, remaining neutral, even though I really want to downvote the hell out of this because of my own personal gain, if the market truly is 3.66, I'll upvote.
You along with the other people with 40 keys in there backpack that is...
I don't see what 40 keys in my backpack has anything to do with my decision to vote. I'd be opposed to it if I had 4 or 40.
I'm still not finding much evidence that the market is selling at 3.66, I still feel that 3.55-3.66 is accurate, still buying for that with ease
I was responding to your question...
"Am I the only one actually posting something that doesn't involve getting butt hurt over the fact that someone decided to up key prices?"
OH!
No, I thought you were talking about the people who are like "Lol, I'm gonna upvote this because I have profit to be made"
Yeah, that's part of the reason. Other part is that stuff just goes up and for some reason won't stop
http://tf2finance.com/keys/
3.58
Your argument is invalid
http://tf2finance.com/keys/ 3.65
You know, it's people like you who give everyone a reason to make fun of backpack.tf, they say ''Driving up the prices of keys and driving down the prices of unusuals'' I don't understand, this website is based on solid proof, just because some people buy at 3.66 doesn't mean everyone is going to buy at 3.66, the range is fine, the moment you raise the price people are going to sell at 4 ref, like they are now. Then they're going to put the same 8 trades or so of proof, which isn't a lot, this website is based on the entire community, not the people who are high balling or just trying to make an extra scrap, What you need, is proof, as in a shit ton more proof, not .0000000001% of the community, i like this website, but it's not being used the way it was intended recently, And 3.55-3.66 should just be the end of how high keys can go, because soon keys will cost 2 keys to buy a key, and then it'll all crash, and we'll be at fault to blame for being too greedy.
I rue the day that all my keys cost 2 keys ;__; Ill go broke just trying to get more.
This is what happens all the time in a time scale of 1 year first keys reach the highest it will go. Which I hope is this, then people will realize how much they are paying for KEYS then it will go down due to all of the keys in the market and the high price. It will drop down possibly 1 ref then people will realize how cheap they are selling KEYS then raise the price. That is keys in a nutshell.
http://gyazo.com/175a3bddee8ecde0820db16994de10e3.png?1360789673
3.55 each
.................
trade servers 3.44--3.66
have nice day
They now buy for 3.55 and sell for 3.66, and have NO keys in stock, meaning nobody has sold them there for 3.55. Also show someone in a trade server selling for 3.44, screenshot it when you see it.
There are lots of people that are buying for 3.66 (hence your proof). But I still frequently buy keys 3.55 and they are bought within a few minutes of posting my trade. And less than a week ago I bought some for 3.44.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8463228
Nice proof, but I'm gonna have to downvote for now.
don't insult other users
Seeing as I just bought some keys from the steam store....
I APPROVE
lol but seriously I saw someone buying keys for 3.66 as well so I support this
wow, you saw one person buying for 3.66, That just compensates for the whole market then. /sarcasm
whoa-so like i could like totally sell my strange tomislav for like 1 ref just because i saw somebody else selling theirs for that much?
but i agree. the things people say these days, and their logic-simply amazing.
http://cdn.chud.com/2/23/238c351a_Eating-Popcorn-3-michael-jackson-21626092-257-192.gif
no range = downvote
CAN WE PLEASE STOP AT 3.55-3.66?!
no. we might want to lower it in the future, or raise it. The economy does not stop.
Does anyone realize that if the price of keys go up, then the price of metal goes down? Well, that's inflation ;P
Sigh key prices are rising so fast. Just a year ago (2012) keys were ±2.33 and now it has gone up by a whole ref.
upvote, consider yourself lucky to get them for 3.66. Beware once the price is set to 3.66 next suggestion of 3.77 would be out within hours. Thanks to kotherfcker key flippers and stupid buyers.
Im going to upvote every fucking key suggestion untill it gets so high the f*cking economy breaks.
Yes, please feed my key addiction. Eventually, im going to have to go to rehab, but while im still here, capitalism, ho!
The way key sales work.
Price is 2.55
Sellers sell at 2.66
Buyers buy at 2.55
Backpack.tf raises the price.
Sellers sell at 3.66
Buyers buy at 3.33
Repeat.
The market will eventually crash.
Right now buyers buy at 3.66 and sell at 3.77 (prove me wrong, I dare you, I have both trades up and I have a harder time buying for 3.66 than selling for 3.77).
So your argument is invalid, backpack follows prices, it does not dictate them.
And again, the key price suggestion causes hell in the comments.
Someone disliked that, but it's kind of true, lol.
Let's just face it. Keys are going to constantly keep going up until the value of it in refined is equivalent to the amount it's actually worth in the Mann Co. Store.
What the heck is happening to the price of keys!? Honestly it shouldn't be higher than 3 ref [b]TOPS[b]. Like half a year ago they were only 2.55ish... this is causing so many things to go up in price...
It's inflation. With the price of keys going up, the value of Ref is going down.
There are too many comment in here so no one will see it
I am forever alone :c
Saw it :P
#StoptheSpam
I read each and every post because I am just that bored
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Key price - 3.55 - 3.66
Sellers sell for 3.66 - 3.77
Buyers buy for 3.55 - 3.66
BP.tf raises price based on this "proof"
Cycle continues.
I do not like the keys going up, but it is a system. :/
I still say that as long as hundreds of keys weekly are sold at tf2wh at prices that are considerably lower than proposed prices, the price of keys should always incorporate a range that includes those values. You can hate on the WH and their pricing but they've still managed to attract hundreds of sales in a week, and we're looking at a dozen or so outpost trades as proof of the marketplace.
however it is considerably hard to get stuff to tf2wh that they take at a fair price. craft hats are about 4800 which would be 2.708 craft hats each key and thats 3.6 ref each key.
and it is also really really hard to buy keys from tf2wh not that I've tried much but when I do try they are out. me I dont care all that much about key prices, I mostly use ref as my currency and when I sell I sell at a price that I can be added within 5 minutes.
as of now, when I sell I sell at 3.66 ref and get added by 3 people~ within a few minutes.
Its not hard, people have scripts set up in their browers to auto reserve any highvalue item> keys, crate 40s etc. I had a discussion with a Mod on the site, they stated they get about 40-60 keys a day @ 2.44-3 ref (depending on if you use the credits for recliamed or refined)
I dont think they can do it quickest, because for example, when there are festive 2011 items (really rare) I am able to reserve them myself it just I have to get very lucky, theres probably another user who refreshes the festive page just as much as I do, I assume the same with keys.
I think we shouldn't make price lower.
Those stupid outposter's just crashing your economy!
agreed .... but key cant cost 2.33 ref like old time :x
Of course.
Most of people don't get it.
If we lower the price of key EVERYTHING WILL GO DOWN.
Think first..
But if we raise the value of the key wouldn't that mean that items traded by keys will go up?
I think it's the other way round. The items traded by metal will go down.
Troll level: Economy destroyer
I put up an outpost trade buying 2 keys for 7 ref, got an add within 2 hours. I usually get about 2 adds a day at that price.
Am I just one trader? Yes, obviously I don't represent the entire market. I have a lot of trouble believing keys are so hard to get at 3.55 if I can get them so easily, however.
I'll let a different mod handle this: I've closed the last three bad key suggestions, and I wouldn't want to appear biased.
Not to mention 3.66 even is a horrible key suggestion and keys should always have a range of at least 1 scrap.
Well sometimes, I see someone buys keys for 3.66. But yea, market is crashing like hell.
Remember when keys were 2.33? sigh.
That's getting really goddamn old ffs.
an oldie but a goodie.
http://tf2finance.com/keys/
3.65
I'm afraid he's right
That actually supports a range of 3.55-3.77, not 3.66 flat
wow a normal player ned to wait like 1 month to get a key ? hahahahh so next month is 5 ref 1 key _? use your mind not only for profit -.-
At this rate less people will just not buy keys if they can't afford it,also if this keeps up people will just resort too refined metal and won't give any notice too keys.I bet this goes too 5 ref in 2014 xD
Yeah, because people stopped trying to get HOUWARs after they became 10-12 buds.
4 new earbuds and 16 keys....... yah his not benefiting from this :P
alot of people did lol, HOUWARs have such a low market, but they are willing to play alot
People care so much about cashing in metal for keys that they are all here instead of the metal suggestion that they really should be trying to discredit or disprove. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/511c84beba25365606000001
Something is really messed up when a few people cashing out, flipping, or idling with multiple accounts, in what is essentially similar to a black market (referring to paypal cash deals), can potentially change the entire tf2 economy for everyone in the community.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8488954 oh look, a tradebot buying for 3.77 o.o;'
probaly stocking up on keys, most people buy higher today, and sell even higher tommorow, profit is proffit man.
I have bought at 3.55 and 3.66 and 3.77 so if anything u should have voted for 3.55 - 3.77. Thats about the right range.
You got my up vote no more ranges
some people still sell at 3.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8607020
Some people really sell at 4 refined.
stop dislike people who disagree with u lol
I give it 1 month before the 4 ref suggestion comes out.
I'm scared to buy keys now
try 2 weeks. I believe that one guy I linked selling for 4 ref MIGHT have gotten 4 for his keys >___>
I've seen a guy with a story on his trade that had a hell of an epic cliffhanger.
"Selling keys for 4 ref each. Buy 1 or more to hear the rest of the story."
He actually had a few sales.
This guy is selling for 3.55. (At the time I posted this) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8630006
I just bought another 8 keys at 3.55 from this guy = http://steamcommunity.com/id/tf2trader/ a few minutes ago off of my buy thread which is here = http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8523747 . So 3.55 is not impossible or unusual and should be kept in the spread. Also, http://tf2finance.com/keys/ supports my experience. Sorry, but Downvoted.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3539291
He sold me ~15 few days ago too. Same as 3 others.
Bought 3 keys for 3.55 within a day. Could've been 4, but I didn't have the metal. Finance has also been bouncing between 3.55-3.66.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8630095
Well shit
http://store.steampowered.com/sale/linux_release/
Ok... New promo only for Linux. Will it change key's price?
its probably going to be like another buds or some shit.
Downvoted. I buy at 3.55 every day.
I should probably retract my 3.66-3.77 range with the hate people spread here, but selling keys at 3.66 is way too easy. I got like 10 adds within minutes of posting my offer of 3.66.
Updated my price to 3.77 and sold 9 keys within 9 minutes.
"but selling keys at 3.66 is way too easy"
Sounds legit. No, you just retarded.
The reason people are paying more is because people who have them are being stubborn and not selling for normal prices because they know people will pay more, you people are ruining the market. This is what happens when mass stubborn-ness happens.
TOMOROW KEYS WILL BE 3.77 and so on keys will be 10 ref or more
I dont want to live on this planet anymore
ill move to Mars with you. im sick of this shit as well
Why not staying at a firm price instead of changing it every time!
I am waiting patiently. Soon enough, the price of keys shall go to 7 Refined! And I will be there waiting! Soon, people who buy keys with metal will be broke! And people will only be buying keys from the store! HAHAHAHAHHAHA!
NO, JUST NO.