Suggestion: The Frying Pan at 0.22–0.33 ref

Price Suggestion

The Frying Pan

Submitted Fri, 15 Feb 13 14:01:08 +0000 by ★ tl_34_96

57.53%

0.33 ref

0.22–0.33 ref

~2.83 ref

317 votes up

234 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Sun, 17 Feb 13 06:05:28 +0000 by An Average NTR Enjoyer.

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Not sure why last one was accepted with so much counter-proof.

This is the correct price range.

There are so MANY available at .33 for sale that there is no possible way that it is the base price.

Selling for .33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7738369 (22)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8641733 (26)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8644354 (9)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8610144 (9)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6816303 (13)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8272858 (14)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8569291 (60)

(Those are just the ones that were less than an hour old. I could have continued with much more)

Selling .11:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8644896 (8 unsold as I post this, 13 sold)

Buying for .22:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8599689

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8349957

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8600115

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8531642

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8407454

Even the people buying for 1 scrap have success.

Read all the comments and the responses in my previous suggestion; That's why it was accepted and cmon who doesn't like PANS!

Just made a comment about your post below :)

Comments mean nothing when the proof does not support the suggestion. There are tons being bought at .22 and lower.

... That's why I said read the comments for the proof, it's not just regular comments...

Maybe you should read them? The proof in the comments suggest .22 as a viable range.

And did you see the response? 'Quickbuyers' More sold at 1 rec, infact ALOT more, than there are at 2 scrap.

Let me quote the most "liked" comment.

"I think .22-.33 would make a better range :/"

I would venture to say that 90% of those sold at .33 were sold to the person that is selling them for .11-.22. That's the way it works.

The lowest range that people are offering to BUY them at with an acceptable amount of turnover is the lower range of the price. The highest range that people are offering to SELL them at with an acceptable amount of turnover is the higher range of the price. In this case, .22-.33. "Quickbuyers" would be those offering .11 for them.

Once you can show me a decent amount of people trying to BUY them at .33, I will agree that .33 is the range. You posted 2 links of people buying for .33. Both were invalid. First was a troll and the second was only buying 1 and had so many adds it wasn't funny.

He specifically said: Just my opinion, not downvoting you because yours is much more correct than the current price.

Also how can you be so sure that link 1 was a troll? He has one in his backpack. As for the 2nd link, same thing he has a rec in his backpack though, Also http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8519779 that link is buying pans at .33 and shows he has bought mutiple pans. With saying that, I'm sorry but I have to downvote in the meantime.

That guy bought 3 pans between the 3rd and 15th of Feb. No idea how much was paid each.

From: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/511cd325ba25361722000001

This says it all. No need for a new price suggestion on an item that was just accepted 6 hours ago.

And it should have been closed 6 hours ago.

I'll remain neutral, but I think this suggestion may be closed from someone else.

Look at it this way. Where do you think the people with 20+ in the BP are getting them to sell them at .33? They are all purchased at .22 or lower.

Like I said I hear you. But I'm still going with what PEASANT suggested.

I would have suggested this if you didn't, I've bought plenty for 1-2 scrap and had enough difficulty selling at 3 that it shouldn't be the flat price.

There are a ton of pans out there, and peasant showed a bunch of proof for the increase. A lot of pans are sold for .33 ref, so much so that it is a better price than .22 flat. For items like this, you need to take into account where the largest volume of trades are happening. Of your buyers at .22:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8599689 - bought plenty

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8349957 - bought some

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8600115 - hasn't bought any yet

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8531642 - bought 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8407454 - buying at .22 and selling at .33, notice how he has 0 pans for sale?

Given all of this, I felt .33 is much better price than .22

For some reason, can't reply to shenanigans's comment.

I am not disagreeing that his proof showed it was possible to sell at .33 and that .33 was a better price than .22. BUT, those aren't the only options. You must have blatantly bypassed the 3-4 comments calling for the .22-.33 price. Just because the suggested price was more accurate than the current price does not mean that it was the most accurate price.

MORE PROOF

Selling 1,000 pans at 2 scrap + 1 weapon: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7948357

Selling 125 for Bill's hat. (.23 each): http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8653846

can't reply to your below comment. 1000 pans for sale under 0.33 each is more than enough proof to support this. Any other seller will have to price at 0.22 to sell to an informed buyer.

link 1 sold many for 1 rec each

As someone with $25 worth of pans in my pack, you probably won't believe that other hoarders have offered 1 rec per pan. I don't sell though. Its not about the metal or backpack value. Its about damn dude 200+ pans?

Which is why .33 is in the range. People are happy to pay more if they can get a bulk amount. I know I am. Those same people would not buy them 1 at a time for .33.

And thank you for making .33 in the range :-) Sorry its early I'm still zzz...

I guess it should've been a range in the first place.

I blame Simon.

I didn't agree with the plain 0.33 either. This is better.

Coudnt comment on your post so I put it here. Which guy?

I'll discuss it when I get home. I have actual work to do now.

Ok, and also http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/Frying%20Pan no sellers at .22

Looked at this as well. This is also why I agreed with your new price suggestion. :)

This was accepted 3 hours ago no need for a new price

the argument is that it shouldn't have been accepted

Well obviously the admins had a different opinion.

admin, singular. And tl is asking them to reconsider with counter-proof. not a big deal.

complettly agree

how were there soo many IDIOTS who updoted the last suggestion?

This suggestion is a scrub.

good argument

Well, lemme break it down for you. PEASANT had sufficient proof and there is no need for another price suggestion. Downvote. Anyone else agree with me?

Are you his #1 fan or something?

Who knows.

"I disagree"

"YOU MUST BE A FAN OF HIS!"

K, downvoted, last suggestion was better.

It's not that he disagrees. It's that he disagrees without reason. Not 1 commentor has shown one shred of counter-proof. They all just "disagree" without reason.

"-|V|- Cash Prizes" has been saying nothing about how amazing "PEASANT's" suggestion was. You know, even thought it was shot full of holes with counter-proof.

If somebody can show that these are not being bought at .22, I'll be happy to agree that it is wrong.

More the fact that the ones being bought for .22 are extremely rare and more than enough of the market, the majority, is will to buy for .33, so there is no need for a range. Sometimes I sell hats and other items for below market value just to free up bp space, doesn't mean they are that price.

.22 is not extremely rare. There are just as many people selling to buyers for .22 as there are buying from sellers at .33.

You have to look at selling trades, i.e. the amount of people actively selling for 0.22. People will always sell for lower to active buyers (=buying trades), partly because they just want to get rid of their item quickly and are willing to take a loss for that, and because they are unaware of the real value (two scraps for a regular weapon? That guy must be crazy!).

The argument 'so many unsold at 0.33' doesn't really hold value here, because there are also so many sold at 0.33. There are just so many pans there will always be some unsold at the market price - similar to buds and keys.

In other words, what you will need as proof is a LOT of trades selling at 0.22.

No. You have to look at BOTH sides. Selling and buying. You can't make your price analysis based solely on selling. Both play a key role into what the appropriate range of the item is.

I realise that. But a couple things:

1. These sell so so easily for 0.33 that this is the base price for sellers, as far as I am concerned. From a seller point of view, there is no need to include 0.22.

2. People buying at 0.22 are only mildly successful; it doesn't seem like it's so easy to get it should be in the range. shenanigans posted a comment here of 0.22 buyer trades that aren't that successful.

3. You can get anything, and I mean anything for a bit under market value if you put up a buying trade. That doesn't always mean this has to be included in the range - if there is a 3 ref item but people can buy very few for 2.88, setting the range to 2.88-3 will only make those people try to buy for 2.66. I hope that made sense; it's more of a general observation.

I guess it boils down to this: If one can only buy for 0.22 by being very lucky when browsing trades or having a constantly bumped buying trade up for it, I don't think it should be included, at least not in this particular case - the majority of trades still seem to happen at 0.33

.33 is selling nowhere near as well as you are stating.

Looks at the trades I linked selling for .33 in the first post. This is how many they have sold since I posted that:

Link 1 sold 0.

Link 2 sold 1.

Link 3 - All 9 gone, but not sure for how much. Backpack doesn't support .33 each.

Link 4 sold 3.

Link 5 sold 6.

Link 6 sold 0.

Link 7 sold 4.

Let's take keys for instance. I can probably go on outpost and pretty reliably sell them for 3.77. Is that the price? NO. The price is what buyers AND sellers converge on.

THE PAN IS .33

DEAL WITH IT

I agree. I have sold many at 0.33 but also a lot at 0.22. Not hard to find people selling for 0.22

invalid argument, I saw a dude selling 3 pans for 2 scrap

WHO CARES ABOUT A SCRAP OR A WEP OR WHAT. LEAVE IT AT .33, AND PEOPLE CAN SELL FOR WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT

NO NEED TO MAKE A BIG DEAL

AND YOU SIR, ARE NO PAN LOVER

So much like.

Nope, this is wrong, I already bought 5 frying pans for 4 weapons or 2 scrap. Stop trying to change it

So...you are saying it's wrong yet providing proof that I am right? I'm confused.

Not saying that, but the price shouldn't be risen. I am here to prove that they can still be bought at .22 with relative ease (2 per day or so on OP) so there's no point in doing that

Just made me buy a pan! Oh well whatever

Upvote i guess.

Just sold 3 pans withing 5 minutes of eahchother and 1 bump.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9ALKcm0.png[/IMG]

All this arguing for .5 scrap difference... whatever, there are sales at .22-.33. If you had made this suggestion while the other one was going on, I would have preferred this price. But at the time, I wasn't going to reject a price because it's off by .5 scrap...