Suggestion: Stormy Storm Hottie's Hoodie at 43.91–48.31 keys

The current price is outdated. I feel that it should go down slightly. There are buyouts that are less than the current high value, meaning the high is going to go down. The low end should be raised because you simply won't find anybody selling for lower than 2.

I'm mostly basing my judgement off of the buyouts, which is probably bad practice, but I can't actually search on outpost for the accepted trades. And it's probably a huge waste of time to go looking through quicksell trades for examples, for the obvious reasons.

So, to that end, I feel 2-2.2 buds is an acceptable update, given that buyouts are generally supposed to be greater than the listed price by a fair bit, and the current owners have B/Os of mostly greater than 2.2, with the out-lier there not forgotten.

I had this hat too, and I had a great luck. I sold it for Steaming AA + 20 keys. This hat is really unwanted. U could make a lower range a bit lower, but this range is good, too. Upvote.

I find it kind of funny that the average of the high and low is about 0.09 keys lower than the previous price range. It's SORT of lowering the price, but not really.

And the quickbuyers will have to raise their prices slightly, which is always good.

Well, link 1 is 4 weeks old with a 2 bud buyout, and the highest offer is 2.2~ in unusuals (2 pure)...

So, i'd say 1.7-2 would be better.

Err, I think 2.2 buds in unusuals is exactly the same as 2.2 buds in buds, bro. What unit would you be measuring in if you said "2.2 x in unusuals = 2 buds"?

That's like saying 60 seconds is equal to 0.8 minutes. Makes no sense bro.

So if that highest offer is 2.2 buds, that's what it is. And that suits my price range perfectly.

except virtually all unusual traders expect an unusual overpay, AND prices here are based on pure offers, so an unusual overpay needs to be factor'd in..

Also, the fact that there is one thats unsold after 4 weeks with a buyout of 2 buds really should make you realize that 2 should be the max.

"virtually all unusual traders expect an unusual overpay"

Do you mean all unusual sellers or buyers? The buyers certainly wouldn't overpay unless they really wanted the hat, and the sellers... really shouldn't expect an overpay, given that they've got an unusual hat too. If somebody's got an unusual hat worth 2 buds, wouldn't it be as valuable as an unusual hat worth 2 buds? Come on buddy, that doesn't make any sense at all.

"prices here are based on pure offers"

So then, if this person has a hat whose value is 2.2 buds, and prices here are based on pure offers, doesn't that mean their hat is worth 2.2 buds? If not, I suggest you go make a new suggestion that lowers its value down to "2 buds pure". Or, wait, then it would be worth "2 buds in unusuals" and not "2 buds pure". Seriously, bro, your argument does not make sense.

"there is one thats unsold after 4 weeks with a buyout of 2 buds"

Nobody's buying for 2 buds, but nobody's selling for anything less than 2 buds. Clearly, anybody who buys it for 2 buds will not be selling it for any less. Therefore, I can't imagine it being any less than 2 buds in value.

mate, check his profile, check your profile, he is right, you are wrong

Man, if I gave a fuck about how often somebody accurately represents a terrible flaw in this pricing system, I would probably have just as many stars as he does.

You know, given enough time.

Look at me giving no fucks about the norm. I'd rather save up my fucks and put them all towards making a case out of an evident flaw.

I still don't actually understand why people would like this post. "Oh hey look at that, this guy is pointing out how somebody's made a lot of accurate suggestions and using that as evidence against this other person's argument that they're wrong! Upvote."

Okay yeah that deserves an upvote alright. I'm wrong, because at the very least, he's made suggestions in the past that moderators accept whereas I have made only this suggestion.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9330082

Both the buyer and seller believe in an unusual overpay. (bubbling hwnn or 1 bud, hwnn is 1.4 buds), and the sellers wants 38 keys or 1.5+ in unusuals... [just one of thousands of examples on OP].

Most sellers/buyers alike expect an unusual overpay (the buyer may not want to overpay, but then he'll just have to sell for promos first).

And no, i'll take a 2 bud pure offer over 2 buds in unusual anyday, so will virtually everyone.

And no....If its priced at 2 buds here, then its worth 2 buds pure (2.3~ in unusuals)...

"Nobody's buying for 2 buds"--2 buds is clearly too much.

"nobody's selling for anything less than 2 buds"--None have sold, 2 is clearly too much.

"anybody who buys it for 2 buds will not be selling it for any less."--no ones buying it for 2 buds...

"I can't imagine it being any less"--No one cares what your opinion is, only what the facts point to.

"Err, I think 2.2 buds in unusuals is exactly the same as 2.2 buds in buds". In the first link, he's b/o is 2 in pure, or 2.5 in unusual. Nearly everyone wants overpay in items, and the prices here are based on pure, with overpay the items are valued at about 90% of backpack price. Also "in unusuals" = 90% of value on backpack.tf so "2.2 x in unusuals = 2 buds" = "2.2 x .9 = 2 buds"

Nah nah nah man, it still doesn't work. You can't say "90% of the value on backpack.tf" because we are on backpack.tf. These prices are based on pure, so telling me that these unusuals are immediately worth less than the suggested price as soon as the suggested price goes through sounds completely wrong.

on this website, if you trade an Unusual worth 1.5-2 for another Unusual 1.5-2, it's considered a bad deal, unusual overpay is always factored in, 1.5 pure is worth more than 1.5-2 in unusuals, that's it, stop arguing about it

See, if there's something inherently wrong with a concept, I'm going to disagree with it. I think it's safe to say this concept you're insisting upon is inherently wrong.

Because, once again, this site would be literally meaningless if you suggested that an unusual is never worth the price it's actually listed at. Seriously, how can you imagine such a statement would ever be true? How could a hat worth 1.5-2 buds sell for 2 buds when such a hat would only be worth the same as a 1-1.5 bud hat if such a trade were ever proposed?

No, unusuals are worth exactly what they're listed at (at least at the time the price was accepted), BUT unusual traders expect an overpay in unusuals...simple as that. That doesn't mean the unusual is worth less, just that sellers would rather have pure promos, therefore they value promos more than they value unusuals.

And an item listed at 1.5-2 (assuming the price is accurate) could sell for 1.5-2 buds pure, or 1.7-2.3 in unusuals.

yeah, but people want an overpay in item offers. If someone has an unusual worth 2 buds, would they ever take an offer of an unusual worth the same amount? No. because the other person gets what they want, but the seller now has to resell the new unusual. Which is why they want to be overpaid. If someone offered an unusual worth 2 buds, and 2 buds pure, which one would the seller take?

Probably depends on how nice the hat is.

And besides, you suggest that somebody with a 1.5-2 bud hat would take an offer of 2 buds over an offer of 2-2.5 buds in unusuals, even if that unusual's price was suggested just the day before. That's convoluted. Why would it even be worth 2-2.5 buds if it can't out-compete 2 buds pure?

if the unusual is valued at 2-2.5, that means it can be sold for 2.5, but traders want overpay, most prefer pure, and they have to resell the unusual again, which is time consuming. And for example you have smoking hoodie worth 1.9 buds, would you trade it for a unusual Haunted Ghosts Respectless Rubber Glove, or 1.9 in keys and buds?

@Above: It depends. I'd have to see what offers other people are getting on their Ghosts Rubber Gloves. If it would be easier to sell than my smoking hoodie, I would take it. It's worth slightly more, and if it's easier to sell, I could probably get a better value out of it than I would've gotten out of the smoking hoodie.

Hm if he got a B/O of 2 buds why its the lowest range ?

B/O = highball

B/O = buy out.

B/O = "I will immediately take any offers of this value."

A buyout isn't always a highball, sometimes it's just how much people would want their unusual to sell for.

99,999% of the time it's a highball, if people make a firm price (like I do, because I think b/os are bullshit), they write "firm price" and even those are negotiable most of the times..b/os are usually .5 higher than the lowest a seller will accept

"B/O = "I will immediately take any offers of this value.""--4 weeks is a pretty long time to being selling a low tier unusual for a reasonable price...(Therefore its probably highballing if its still unbought).

I basically have no idea how people are actually voting. There's a huge shitstorm going on but it's so unrelated to the price it's funny. In all likelihood people see the shitstorm and are like "okay so there are more people who agree with the guy who says the price is too high, I'll vote no."

u made it a shitstorm, McCool is a very respected Unusual Hat pricing expert and he told u that u are missing some points in your suggestion, nobody is being mad at u, but u are failing to accept that u are new to this website and have not carefully looked at other suggestions and what unusual overpay means on here and u are arguing with someone who has made over 190 successful unusual suggestions..that's like being an intern at microsoft and arguing with bill gates, just don't, it's not your place, close this suggestion, say thanks to McCool for pointing out some obvious mistakes and leave it at that

Imagine if somebody had the guts to tell George Lucas he was doing something wrong when he made Star Wars Episode 1. Maybe it would've been a better movie?

Whether or not McCool has a lot of successful suggestions, he is still human and I'm sure he wouldn't be offended at all if I said that he is capable of making a mistake once in a while. Maybe from your perspective and his, it's not a mistake. I don't really care. That just doesn't mean he's incapable of being wrong.

this is nothing that leaves room for creativity, this is maths and he told u you're doing it wrong, he is right, u are not, u have provided good proof, just miscalculated by not factoring in unusual overpay, no harm done until u tried to be a smartass, that's when u created the shitstorm..

lesson for u: know your time, know your place

Fine, whatever. We'll see what becomes of the suggestion. I still have confidence in this price.