Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4–4.22 ref

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~64.56 ref

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Upvote if you hate me.

Downvote if you love me.

This will either be the most upvoted or the most downvoted comment :D

my past record is -193.

I luv ya <3

S'ok man. The downvotes mean they love you too. I have no love lost for Long, but I can honestly say that while I disagree with his personality, his suggestions are good and accurate.

To quote the demoman, *ahem* "I hate you! EVERYBODY bloody hates you!"

I'm a grimme bloody fable, WITH AN UNHAPPY ENDING!

I hope this get TONS of downvotes and admins will still accept the suggestion.

It already happened....

hehe yeah, tho I don't give a fuck, I always craft stuff with my metal, and I pretty much got the items I want ^^

someone should just make an 8 refined suggestion to skip all this drama

On more than one occasion.

great proof. horrible attitude. Less than a week ago you said you were going to work on being more mature and would give free items to anyone who points out rudeness in your comments. You are a great contributor, but you are a pompous ass (willing to take a mod warning for that. I think it needs to be said). You provide the "haters" with a reason to hate and that hate gets misdirected towards the economy and this site. Key prices are naturally rising, anyone who argues against that is ignorant (IMO I guess), but the process of updating the prices on this site can and should be done in a far more professional way to help people understand it.

I seriously hope you change the way you go about things or you leave for a while.

I want to be nice but everybody openly attack me whenever I make key suggestion or when I go against suggestions lowering price(refer to the last one). If they don't care about truth and proof why would I care about their hatred and opinions ?

There is a difference between not caring and egging them on. It is tough to say who initiated the hostile relationship between you and many users of this site, but you have made no attempt to make it clear that you mean well for the site. If there are people in denial, think that bp.tf is responsible for the rising prices, or wrongly comes at you personally, be a grown-up and let them. Kindly tell them why you are making such a suggestion or ignore them. Don't call them poor and laugh at them in your OP.

Also maybe if you changed your screen name... personally I don't get a good vibe when there's a suggestion about key pricings and the guy suggesting it is an open "key manipulator."

You want to descend to the same level as those people?

Its like saying "since everyone is doing (insert action) I would do the same even if its horrible or plain stupid".

I kind of feel like you are being selfish, and are not thinking about the potential consequences of stunts like this.

Stunts like this (even in humor) will go over the heads of many people and they will consider this as proof of backpack.tf corruption. Moreover, even the people who know for a fact that you are joking will use this as proof of corruption.

Don't sink down to other peoples level or else they will claim that they were right about you all along.

I honestly don't think you are a "manipulator" even though I have probably disagreed with several of your suggestions even before the key rising crisis.

Just do what you do. At this point, even if you don't raise the price, someone else will.

You voting on the price to go up is one of the reasons they are going up in price though thus all the hate.

Wow... Long218's proof got a warning from Chief Robin?

My hat off to you, Chief Robin.

I actually think we could just get this over with in one shot and make a suggestion for 7 ref and be done with it. At that price, mann co is better. So I now demand that one of you push it out there. I will provide proof if need be.

This is why backpack.tf is losing any type of integrity. Time to find a new spreadsheet page. Go ahead down vote me.

People like you ruined TF2 trading with very cocky attitudes towards new traders.

I don't care if I get a mod warning, it had to be said.

Prove me wrong.

People pay at that price ad I just report the truths.

Prove me wrong

Don't just downvote me and not saying anything because that just gonna force me to make more suggestions.

It's one thing to suggest a price, it's another to be very cocky about it.

The fact that you seem to take opinions on the internet very seriously, so much so that you changed your name to 'key manipulator' just emanates sadness.

The mature ones take criticism on the chin, not try and be cocky about whether or not you are right.

I still had some respect for you, not any more.

>ruined

>greentexting on bp.tf

^^^

All I've seen you do is ''troll' other users who seem to stand up to long even when the criticism is justified.

I can't take you seriously.

^^^

thanks for proving my point.

NO PROBLEM

I like your name :3

hihihi so funny

Wow. Its one thing to be one of the most hated uses on this site because of your past suggestions, but to just entice people to hate you even more, with a name change and taunting, just causes lost credibility for you. Even if you are joking. Definitely lost my vote, and possibly others', for a moderator position. Respect just went out the window too.

BTW, are you still SOP banned for buying carded keys?

Yeah, it's a shame that mods won't do anything about it.

Last sentence is really obnoxious, I wanted to be fair, check proofs and decide if it's needed change. But after that I lost my hope, even tho I should be happy that keys are going up, I feel sad that we can really disable voting because no one cares what people think. It can gets -1000 and it will be accepted. What's the point?

Because the price can't be {x} Ref if the average price is {x} + {y} Ref.

People are voting by opinion, they don't care about proof. They just want cheap Keys.

Voting for keys are practically ignored, as most users dont want the prices to go up and just downvote regardless if it's the truth or not

Everyone in tf2 just wanted to be rich so they started high balling (Hope I didn't spell Wrong). However, did u know that if we constantly increase the price of the keys, it will make a corruption between keys and refined. People will start buying keys and at last it will be probably 1 ref for 1 key. So plz stop making high prices anymore PLZ!!!

Dat Long.

Key manipulator, what do you plan on doing with all those keys when this suggestion passes?

Step 1-

Increase keys

Step 1.5-

piss entire community off

Step 2-

buy more keys

Step 3-

?????

Step 4-

Proffit

Nevermind, I missed the fact that he included the samuri jak steam chat. The answer is that he will never sell for metal.

question: how does he profit from this? He will be able to buy exactly as many buds before and after this (presumably) gets approved.

In this form, he doesn't make too much profit with these suggestions.

If he would want real profit, he should sell all of his keys for ref and then lower the price of keys back. (And then exchange again)

I wonder when will keys ever settle...

when we wait more then a week to pass a suggestion :| will never happen

It will stop when people learn:

1: paying 4 ref is ridiculous. They should not buy at the price.

2: Backpack.tf users like Long learn some modesty and humility.

If these 2 thing change, prices will fall. If these are not amended, then we can look forward to 5 ref keys in no time.

Only the first point is right. If people stop buying Keys for higher prices it will stabilize and maybe begin to fall.

To the second point: If backpack.tf doesn't relfect the current selling price of a high weighted currency, then it's useless.

I dont mind that they reflect the market. But, we have to draw a line SOMEWHERE. and this "Key Manipulator" is inciting people so he can have a laugh. Modest? no. Humility? Obviously not.

the point is: there is a line that has to be drawn. Perhaps they should remove key pricing entirely? I dont know. However, I do believe that it really is backapck.tf's fault that the prices are skyrocketing (that and tf2 outpost which we all know how THAT works) My final suggestion: Stop allowing people to change the price of currency.

> 1: paying 4 ref is ridiculous. They should not buy at the price.

Why is it ridiculous? Can you give a reason other than "they used to be cheaper"?

think it through first. Keys were at 2.66 once. Then 3 ref and then 4. Dont you think it is getting out of hand? And its still rising. F2Ps, of which here is an abundance of,really cant participate in the market of tf2 because the currenncy is too high!

Now that i have provided my arguement, please explain why ANYONE with a decent mind would want key prices so high? I know for a fact that even high end traders are getting annoyed. They want to buy keys too! but now they can because the price is getting too high.

Another thing is that when we get new palyers, they dont know about the past of tf2 key prices. Thus, they believe that 4 ref is average price.

So Jymotion, what reason can YOU give that it is NOT ridiculous? Other than "People are willing to pay thus it is alright"?

>F2Ps, of which here is an abundance of,really cant participate in the market of tf2 because the currency is too high!

>please explain why ANYONE with a decent mind would want key prices so high?

>They want to buy keys too! but now they can because the price is getting too high.

Do you think gas prices should go down because people want them to? The free market economy doesn't care how long it takes for F2P's to be able to afford a key and "participate in the economy". It doesn't care what people want the price to be. Earbuds were once ~15 keys, why aren't people outraged that it is now more difficult to get into unusual trading? Because with more and more traders, the cost of obtaining higher-valued items rises. The rapidly rising price of keys is the result of people realizing this. I was specifically asking you what "ridiculous" means in the context that you are using it. Where is the fault in the argument that keys should cost 4.11 because people are lined up to buy at that price? This is coming from someone who began trading when keys were very steady at 2.33. Given the amount of refined pumped into the system and the scarcity of ways in which it leaves the system, intuition tells me this rise makes a whole lot of sense.

i agree with everything except the last part. stop spreading the falsity of this metal glut. the metal to key ratio has been going down for 3 weeks now. refined is not growing at the rate you'd expect it to if it wasn't being used for crafting.

I was speaking more long-term, as in, since keys were 2.33. Nothing significant has happened to the ratio in the past few months (though the community market gives a disincentive to purchase new keys). The market is just catching up, considering the conversion rate should have never been so constant to begin with.

......I like to drink. This wall of text hurts my eyes.

I think your saying something about metal and how hard it is to get into unusual trading. That is false. I got into it pretty fast myself when i started. And you still have not adressed the fact that this is all opinion.

Also, gas prices are going down in my area because we refuse to pay $4 bucks a gallon.

If you really wanna talk about a free market economy, then spreadsheet would not even exist.

I'm gonna repeat what I said a while back: Keys have a use. Metal does not. Metal is free to produce, and every time you craft two weapons together, you are (this is a fact) lowering the price of metal. If you want to see a change in the world of keys, start saying that craft hats cost 3 refined each. Let's get some logic going here, and again, to quote myself:

Crafting a hat costs 3 refined at the lowest. Under no circumstance should a product ever sell for less than it costs to make, basic economic principle is to make a return on a sale.

Yes, hats drop randomly. Yes, there's hundreds of thousands of players who can receive a hat at any given second because the dice rolled on "HAT GET" instead of "WEAPON GET". Fact is, just because SOMETIMES a person stumbles upon a 100 dollar bill on the ground doesn't lower the value of that. When a person finds a hat, they should be finding 3 refined guaranteed, and when a person crafts a hat, it should be like a break even lotto ticket, and not like a losing one. I understand that some hats are outright ugly. I also understand that at no point should personal opinion dictate the base value of a hat. Should it raise the price? Yes indeed. The Troublemaker's Tossle Cap is an ugly disgrace to the scout, but people like it, and it commands a price that goes with liking it. The same holds true for the Team Captain, but again, people like it, and it commands a price. I'm not saying all hats should be worth three refined, that's silly, but a basic craft hat going for 1.33 is literally devaluing metal.

I could write an entire paper about this, but the comments section on someone's key suggestion is not the place for that; I simply feel the need to let people who say keys are out of control know that they're out of control because the basic unit of want in this game (the hat) is not being sold at base value. Again, if you want to see keys fall, start charging 3 refined for a craft hat, and for hats worth more than 1.33 currently, add as much metal to that 3 refined as they are worth over 1.33. When everyone starts doing that, I can almost guarantee a drop in key prices, or at the very least, a deflation of metal.

Actually, the last key suggestion that went through was actually a week ago.

They're not settled, but they're pretty close to being so.

when backpack.tf stops reporting on key prices

when backpack.tf starts pricing everything in a single currency (refined)

He isn't mad, he is actually laughing about the people who get mad about him.

http://gyazo.com/b9e4f5646db6902edd2e5841dbfdffae.png?1363697517

ahahah , the true is hard for some people

You were rude and insulted long.

the flock is reunited to defend their martyr

"people are disagreeing with me because they are afraid of the truth and it has nothing to do with my ignorant immaturity"

You're welcome to hold whatever opinions you like about the site or its users, but calling someone a "whore" is not acceptable behavior anywhere.

if you were posting on outpost you would have been banned... twice.

??? What u mean?

Someone wise said " Only sad people want that kind of attention" :) Anyways chill out and I wanna watch this, it will be interesting.

NOT AGAIN.....

4.22 for a key?

nope;

Downvoted just for the unprofessional attitude.

Chances are I'm not the only one.

You know, the guy is already banned on SOP for, supposedly unknowingly, buying card keys...Along with this post and the sheer disregard for other people's consideration. Is it not possible to ban here as well or at the very least ban from such a controversial suggestion?

As I told several others who have added me, the website auto-bans anyone who has a scammer tag, but it does not detect cautions. This is hard-coded into the system, and Brad has a lot of other stuff on his to-do list.

I can't manually ban him without evidence he did something wrong, and his steamrep profile doesn't link to any discussion or screenshots. He hasn't insulted any other users or made explicit troll suggestions, so my hands are tied.

No worries, just thought i would ask. Cheers.

At least there are a few decent mods left, IMO. Decisions based on unbiased facts and rules. I thank you for that.

I understand your frustration, but please refrain from badmouthing the other mods; They have not given me any reason to distrust them and pointlessly spreading vitriol will not help anyone involved.

I was not pointing a finger or calling any one particular mod out for being a bad one. Most have not given me a reason to distrust their decisions, but at the same time, few have no given me a reason to TRUST their decisions either.

I do feel the need though to say that one should be able to express constructive criticism of a mod, good or bad, in an open forum without fear of retaliation of a ban-hammer or warning. With that said, INSULTING a mod or anyone for that matter, when unjustified, is definitely warranted by a ban or other punishment.

So what? Upvotes and downvotes doesnt matter here. Last key suggestion got about 1.3k upvotes and 500 downvotes and still got rejected.

Yeah, cuz the proof sucked. Much counterproof was presented of people buying for 4.11.

When everyone votes based on evidence and not emotional investment then the votes and proof almost always sync up.

This was just a political way to say "Yes,votes dont mean jacksh*t."

Votes are just one of several checks and balances in the current system. Of course they are not the be-all end-all; in a correctly planned system of checks and balances no one part has absolute authority over the others.

I'm not saying the system is perfect, but you're thinking of this as a false dichotomy--votes do mean something, but they don't mean everything. There is and should be options between those two extremes.

People will never vote on keys without emotions or personal gains.People will never open suggestions on keys without emotions personal gains.Yet you are here defending votes matter,and when we suggest disabling voting on keys,which is an usefull suggestion,you,admins,or whoever decides this,chosen to keep cycle going and not change anything usefull.

Also,your last post wasnt agreeing,disagreeing or suggesting anything usefull.

You should be a politician in real life.

As I said above, we have a system of checks and balances in place--if people cannot separate their emotions from their ballot, the admins are there to approach it objectively. When people vote calmly and rationally (which is a fair majority of the time), then it makes the process of accepting/denying a suggestion easier, and evidence links are there to help all parties involved be as objective as possible.

My last post was explaining details you missed in a calm, neutral manner. I'm sorry if you did not find it helpful.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that post. People need to understand that regardless of what you stand to gain or lose, a vote should be made on the evidence. It's an 'ideal world' approach, so it comes off as impossible to attain, but where would we be without standards and principles?

The mods are mods because they stick to principled behavior and making an informed decision, free of emotion or personal gain. This is something people need to realise.

For those people that don't understand, ill provide an analogy: Imagine if everything in the country was decided by public vote. Sounds good, right? Well, the public are stupid, they sometimes do but most often don't know what's best for the greater good, they can't make informed decisions because they can't be fully informed (there's too much info for one person to hold on to) Hence why we have a government, regulatory bodies etc etc. These are the checks and balances and they work, provided the people in the positions of authority can remain objective and unbiased.

If anybody want's to say that backpack.tf is wrong, corrupt or whatever other claim, you need to show that the principles the site was/is founded on have been compromised. Until then, be constructive and stop god damn whining!

This is the way to say that 10 trades, which show that you are still able to buy Keys at 4 Ref, are not enough. The amount of keys which are getting sold for 4.11+ Ref was a lot higher.

The price can't be {x} Ref if the average is {x} + {y} Ref. Y = 0.01 to 0.11 Ref

TF2 finance dropped to 4.05 Ref for a short after the 4-Ref-suggestion was made.

Votes don't matter when the suggestion itself is asinine.

backpack.tf would be an absolute joke if the only metric for determining a suggestion's validity was user voting.

10/10 name, I laughed

Second warning of the suggestion for language.

You're welcome to hold whatever opinions you like about the site or its users, but calling someone a "profit bitch" (?) is not acceptable behavior anywhere.

Okay, I´m sorry for that.

Yours is already done watching, and I hope you're banned forever, because you're becoming a manipulator and profit for you, and you use backpack.tf very badly, so, or kick you off, or continue attacking .

How exactly is he manipulating the price?

The average selling price for Keys is over 4.11 Ref on TF2 finance right now.

Btw. don't come with the argument that he is doing that for his own benefit. While Keys are increasing in Ref-price, Ref is decreasing in USD-price

The type every so often asking price increase because the guy selling keys at high prices as such has become the clown of the page and you're looking to be expelled while, and if they do, do a favor to all the world, because guys like that clown manipulating prices should not go at will.

Trading makes you bad and leaves a bad trail behind, move along now.

VERY unproffesional. I do not care you know that you "love our hate". If you are going to make a price suggestion, state your business, logic, and proof. Anything else such as derogatory or "asking for hate" statemnts are not neccessary or wanted.

I dont care that your are trying to increase your bp. This is a game of economy and prices. If people cant handle the fact that this is how frustrating an economy works, then they should not play. But making a suggestion just to get on their nerves is NOT what this site was created to do.

I will downvote for purely the simple fact that this is a ver arrogant and self-wanting price suggestion. When you have the balls enough to make a suggestion that doesnt ask for the hate of the tf2 community, maybe ill actually look at your proof.

http://puu.sh/2kqm6

He didn't even know about the carded Keys, he bought them by accident.

Btw. how did he scam anyone?

I don't know the situation at all, but from a steamrep standpoint, if you buy keys from someone who is shady, they will keep a closer eye on you and eventually tag you if you repeat the process. Case in point T-Virus.

hes skamur donvot

I like him.

Third warning of the suggestion for language.

You're welcome to hold whatever opinions you like about the site or its users, but calling someone a "dumbass" is not acceptable behavior anywhere, wingdings or not.

No be didn't. He called someone a dumb dollar dollar. I think the "a" was a typo. :P

I think he means that he is a rich dumba :)

yeah i took out the ss at the end its dumb dollar.

Lowering the price:

- People love you because you are doing a "good thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as counterproof, although it is showing the average keyprice.

- 10 links of proof are enough to accept the suggestion.

- People who want that the price drops will upvote, no matter how unaccurate and stupid the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will close the suggestion because the proof is too poor and nearly all upvotes are based on opinion.

Raising the price:

- People hate you because you are doing a "bad thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance is wrong, BECAUSE it's showing the average price.

- 100 links of proof are still not enough proof to accept the suggestion.

- People who don't want that the price rise will downvote, no matter how good the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will accept the suggestion because the proof is good and nearly all downvotes are based on opinion.

Some more random facts:

- backpack.tf is not manipulating the prices, the buyers who want that the price drops are manipulating it.

- Upvotes on lower prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opinion of mad people.

- Downvotes on higher prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opnion of mad people.

- The market won't crash till Valve does something with keys and/or metal.

- The keyprice will continue rising because everybody is paying the prices of OP-profitwhores.

- Admins/Mods look through all comments + the proof. They wouldn't accept a price which wasn't right.

- The price can't be {x} Ref if the average price is {x} + {y} Ref. (Y = 0.01 to 0.11 Ref)

- The amount of keys in the backpack of the suggester doesn't mean anything.

- While Keys are increasing in Refprice, Ref is decreasing in USD price. The argument that the suggester is doing the suggestion for his own benefit is irrelevant. Profit = 0.

~ Volpiii

I just want to ask a few things about TF2 Finance. From what I heard, it can track all trades involving keys. If so, does it count all the trades people make between alts transferring keys back and forth? This could be interpreted as 0 ref paid for 1 key, meaning the average, which isn't a resistant measure of center because it is easily influenced by extremes in a distribution. The opposite can also be true, people are able to transfer keys between alts with massive amounts of metal in return, purposely manipulating TF2 Finance. This can also easily skew the average. A median would be much more effective in this scenario because it isn't heavily influenced by the extremes. If all this is applicable, use of TF2 Finance as proof becomes null as it is too easily changed by mass alt to alt trading.

If not, disregard what I said.

Ahem, I've actually been investigating that and it seems that gratuitous amounts of keys are being transferred to alt accounts above the current average which shows those giant spike on the finance chart, also it only takes a short hourly sample. Or something along the lines of that, my investigation is still under way, but yes, it can be manipulated if done at the right time and correctly.

Added a random fact:

- Persons who support a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be downvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are good and true.

[sarcasm]Our community = Awesome[/sarcasm]

Simply downvote comments if you don't agree with the mind of someone.

Most of you are acting childish, you don't want higher prices but you also have no counter arguments.

From your comment above (easier to write here :P):

"- 10 links of proof are enough to accept the suggestion"

You mean key suggestion? Those weren't enough to lower. (And the proofs weren't that good.)

"- 100 links of proof are still not enough proof to accept the suggestion."

You mean 30 links? And at most of the key suggestions, (or Long suggestions) they were enough, even if a lot of proofs were bad..

If you want to read counter arguments check the past 2 weeks suggestions, there were pretty much wall of text. (I myself tired of write all of mine again and again, probably the same for others.)

You know, "only proof worth anything" here.

I looked through my facts and edited them a bit.

Lowering the price:

- Persons love the suggester because he is doing a "good thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as counterproof, although it is showing the average keyprice.

- 10 links of proof are enough to accept a keysuggestion. (Mind of voters)

- Persons who want that the price drops will upvote, no matter how unaccurate and stupid the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will close the suggestion, because the proof is bad and nearly all upvotes are based on opinion.

Raising the price:

- Persons hate the suggester because he is doing a "bad thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as proof, because it's showing the average sellingprice.

- 60 links of proof are still not enough proof to accept the a keysuggestion. (Mind of voters)

- Persons who don't want that the price rise will downvote, no matter how good the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will accept the suggestion, because the proof is good and nearly all downvotes are based on opinion.

Other facts:

- backpack.tf is not manipulating the prices, the buyers who want that the price drops are manipulating it.

- Upvotes on lower prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opinion of mad people.

- Downvotes on higher prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opnion of mad people.

- The market won't crash till Valve does something with keys and/or metal.

- The keyprice will continue rising because most persons are paying the prices of OP-profitwhores.

- Admins/Mods look through all comments + the proof. They wouldn't accept a price which wasn't right.

- The price can't be {x} Ref if the average price is {x} + {y} Ref. (Y = 0.01 to 0.11 Ref)

- The amount of keys in the backpack of the suggester doesn't mean anything.

- While Keys are increasing in Refprice, Ref is decreasing in USD price. The argument that the suggester is doing the suggestion for his own benefit is irrelevant. Profit = 0.

- Persons who support a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be downvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are good and true.

- Persons who are against a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be upvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are bad and false.

This summary covers the past 90 suggestions.

~ Volpiii

"because the proof is good"

"- Admins/Mods look through all comments + the proof. They wouldn't accept a price which wasn't right."

I disagree. They are not even checking them. Mostly they accept / close depending only on tf2finance.

Good proof. Easy upvote. Thanks for dislikes on this comment.

I hate you :D

What is this, a poor attempt at reverse psychology?

Well, ok, I'm not saying anything about ref value decreasing, but doesn't it mean that if ref is dropping, then any other item, like craft hats etc must be raising. those prices on other items just can't be staying the same, because it means that their value is decreasing aswell. or am I mistaken.

you're not mistaken. and simply because backpack.tf uses different units to report prices for different items, and the units themselves change in relation to each other, some items are effectively tanking in value while others get the benefit of being priced in a "safe" currency. take a look at the recent lime paint suggestion. 1-1.15 keys. that effectively protects lime from being deflated.

there are so many ways this is broken and still no one does anything about it.

thanks for responding. now I'm understand and at least one more thinks the same.

so the sale of ~200 keys (0.04% of keys tracked by stats.tf) since the last suggestion is being used to justify the price for 25M users who are effected by it. the smaller the volume, the more volatile the prices as there is less data to establish a proper mean.

- Not all people of the 25M are trading.

- Not all people of the 25M are still playing the game.

you're picking at the wrong part of my point.

it doesn't matter if it's 500K players or 25M - the volume is not all that impressive given how much people need keys to have purchasing power. there must be a much higher volume of keys being bought for real world money: from the steam store, from the market, from tf2shop, and from private trades

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9411910#/33049080 3 REF each

One trade out of hundreds.

Also, his profile is set to private. We can't check if he actually traded or just trolled.

Possibly a troll. One of out 1000 means nothing

hey ive got an idea, just directly link tf2 finance to key prices and there you have it no spammy key suggestions, at the end tf2 finance wins no denying that :P

No No http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198042823837 Key Manipulator -HA HA

Pass

thanks for the inflation

This will be fun to watch.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9374280[/url] - inSpire - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9403339[/url] - pamyurin - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://redd.it/1al2bp - timkr23[/url] - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9394351[/url] - Asger! [IDLING] - [4.11 ref in current range] - have only 4.11 ref, and 4 keys (24.5 hrs / 51 hrs of TF2, interesting)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9355877[/url] - Skyropio - [4.11 ref in current range] - only 5 ref in his bp

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9331737[/url] - BLAZE - [4.11 ref in current range] "I can buy : 0" Bumped: 51 minutes ago, 3.66 metal in his bp, 10 new key

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9386988[/url] - alkenrinnstet - 4.22 - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9406275[/url] - JerBear - [4.11 ref in current range] 4.66 ref in his bp, 9 new keys

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9263359[/url] - Indefatigable|REALTALK - [4.11 ref in current range] - only 0.55 metal in his bp! no new key, 9 keys on the top of his bp

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9368123[/url] - Stache (IDLING) - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9409786[/url] - -Lazlie- 5 days to B'day :3 - Trade done, [4.11 ref in current range], 2 new keys

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9301076[/url] - STEVE | RSP/Round Robin - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9342004[/url] - Sweetie Belle - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9274281[/url] - Reflector - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9359057[/url] - PandaPaws - 4.22 - Have only 1 ref in his bp! (have 2 another buying thread with 4, and 4.11 ref)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9212328[/url] - YN | ChiefInStaff - [4.11 ref in current range] - Have only 2.33 ref! from them 1.33 are new, and a new upgrade to premium gift

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9324831[/url] - Docks - [4.11 ref in current range] - ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9346329[/url] - Control Z - [4.11 ref in current range] - Trade done, 0 new keys, 0 new item, but a strange widowmaker on the top of his bp

Sellers successfully at 4.11+:

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6962413[/url] - Fang. - Current selling price 5 ref, too old to prove the validity of 4.33 sells. I wouldn't count it as a proof

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9148728[/url] - Rafe - no new ref, have only 1.77 ref on the top of his bp (current selling price 4.33, probably too old to provide 4.22 sellings)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9407297[/url] - GIGABYTE - Trade done, 8.33 new ref (If I consider it as 2 sold keys, then 4.15, so it could be ok)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9252173[/url] - lcg400 - Have bunch of new metals, keys, hats, and miscs. Im not sure, but maybe.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9345463[/url] - James[Key Banking] - keybanker, "I ask for a fee of one reclaimed upon your first purchase or sale"

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9390621[/url] - =PB P= Robby - out of stock, no new ref, plenty of ref in his bp (2. page) not sure where those refs come from

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9378064[/url] - JaGaRz Ranger - out of stock, looks ok

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9409145[/url] - LostCause - Yeah, it is ok.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9409259[/url] - 희진씨(키대량으로삼 - Trade done, "had 28 keys", atm. have 29 keys, and 6 ref

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9359697[/url] - Informerius - 0 keys (had 2 in stock), 0 new ref, (16.44ref on the top of his bp)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9354123[/url] - 딜로포사우르스 - no new ref, plenty of refs on the top of his bp

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9309158[/url] - Fanou Tou Aloniou - Current Stock: (0), last bump: 51 minutes ago, "keybank bot"

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9370745[/url] - hippityhip - plenty of new ref, 1 new key (seems ok)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9153351[/url] - Sock. - Keys in stock: 0, last bump: 10 hours ago, no new ref, 0 ref in his bp (+1untradeable ref)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9317445[/url] - Awesomeness - "Current keys in stock: 0", last bump: 12 hours ago, bunch of ref on the top of his bp

10 of the 15 seller links looks good, +tf2finance 4.15 atm..

But almost all of the buyer ones in the current range.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it will pass... :/ (sadly)

Note: Strange, when everyone dealt with the repricing of #40 and its stranges, key prices were stable. But looks like now people have nothing better to do than molesting the keys, and it started to rise again. :F

the price is right but you do come off as a bit of an arrogant pleb

OP is like "LELELLELEL LOOK IMA TROLL *TROLLFAEC* XDDDDDddd"

Ok just because someone has a b/o of that price doesnt mean that we should change the price. the reason why they keep going up is because you guys say it should be higher because a hand full of people are trying to sell a key for 5 ref this in no way should go up

Trades are actually happening at 4.22-4.33, but the average is lower.

Btw. Price =/= B/O

This gets really annoying. We can't get keys without buying them from the store now.

- Random junk items

- Unusuals

- Vintages

- Genuines

- Stranges

- Steam-Market

- TF2 shops

- Private traders

- REFINED METAL! You can still buy a Key for 5 Ref, IF the price is 5 Ref.

Enough ways to get Keys.

You see here's the problem; Not everyone has the time (aka 12 hours a day) to trade virtual items. After all, this game is a FPS game. It's about having fun not having the best backpack and the keys are a fun way of getting items so you can look cool after defeating your enemy. Go ahead and down-vote this.

If all you want to do is play the game, the price of hats shouldn't concern you.

This suggestion is why I am no longer going to vote on prices here. This site has become a place where apparently no one understands the extent of its influence, and thus what they think is "reflecting the market" can often be a direct or indirect result of this site raising keys. This site could say to the community "Hey! Chill out guys! Let's try to get keys back to where they should be!" But no, they will use it to slowly lower the value of refined metal, and make keys unobtainable for the average player (whether it is their intention or not). I don't particularly care about this price, whatever, I just buy from the store now, I gave up on keys a long time ago.

This site is no longer a legitimate way to gain knowledge of prices. I am finished. Upvote me, down vote me, I don't care. Do what ever you want. In my opinion, you ought to leave as well.

I am only saying this to maybe get you guys to open your eyes a bit, more than likely none of you care about my personal departure, but maybe the site mods and owner will. Good bye, and good luck trading.

http://puu.sh/2kuDv - I gave in and bought a key

Cheapest seller I found in my 2 minutes of searching

AWW KEYS KEYS KEYS KEYS KEYS KEYS

AWWW KEYS KEYS MOTHERFUCKER

So Long 218 intentionally names himself Key Manipulator, he has over 500 keys in his pocket, and is, as usual, insulting other TF2 Traders who do not think like minded to him. Not only that, he openly states that he WANTS the negative comments. I thought it could never get any lower than it is, but I have been proven wrong. Especially with the arrogance that he wants to have the comments with the most negative votes.

People, let me fill you in on why the keys are truly going up in price. It has to do with economics. However, it happens to deal with what I refer to as common sense economics, and not the other crap you have been seeing on this site. You see, the more something rises in price, the less people will want that item. You cannot argue that more people are buying keys now than last year, and expect to be right. They have been using keys for other items in terms of investment, such as Bills, Earbuds, Max Heads, B.M.O.C. hats, Ebenezers, Festive Stranges and Salvaged Stranges.

Approving this suggestion from Long218, especially with the behavior he is demonstrating right now, is only going to fuel more criticisms to this site.

people just gotta stop taking sarcasm srsly

Long, you've brought along a pretty poor attitude towards this suggestion not only by naming yourself key manipulator but just being arrogant in the process, I don't bother taking interest in key suggestions normally but when I saw this I had to say something. Joke or not your attitude is poor. If this gets accepted, the website will just receive me criticism because of users like Long.

I said it many key suggestions earlier: These key suggestions have become a joke. And now the people suggesting key prices are also making jokes.

Nothing else to do but laugh, because I stopped buying keys with metal months ago. And if you still buy them, you are helping this shit happen.

backpack.tf documents price

which is used to justify a higher price

Downvote, because Long216

You're really getting on my nerves.

Give it time. He'll slip up and then we can make a suggestion where people can vote on how long to ban him. :3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9412816

This guy has the prices right.

I don't know why I even vote on this stuff, the admins don't care about the votes on keys anyways, they just accept the ups and deny the downs

They actually look at the proof.

I saw one get passed with 0 proof. No joke.

lol, refined isn't useless. I can still buy several different hats at 1.33 each,

I can buy two weapons at a scrap each, I can craft a familiar fez for 4 ref

btw, I like the Owns 562, it makes you trustworthy, kind of like your name

maybe if we stop telling people on outpost that key prices are constantly rising, then they will stop asking for a reclaimed more than they are worth?

I'm sorry, but I'm shutting this down on principal. You're trolling the bp.tf community.

I appreciate the work put into collecting the links, and I understand it can be frustrating being accused of key manipulation in spite of your work, but try to be the bigger man next time, alright?