Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4–4.33 ref

Sorry, but the only times these get passed is when the price on finance is consistently above the average from the time that the sugestion is posted to the time it gets passed, just wait 3 days or so.

if 4.22 buyers got added instantly and tf2finance is right around the midpoint of the current range, why is it incorrect?

Unsuccessful at 4.33 ref (after a quick look into Outpost):

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9365972[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9436132[/url]

More counter-proof soon, should I find it.

Also, You have put counter-proof in your own suggestion. If I may quote links from your 4.33 section, you have labeled such as "no adds". Doesn't seem like a good way to get your suggestion approve, in my opinion...

More counter-proof (Unlabled = Unsuccessful at Selling @ 4.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9179945

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9468151

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9469190

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9220650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9451557

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9468151

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9467196

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9427530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9429746 (Bought many keys @ 4.11; Sold very few @ 4.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9187082 (Slow)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9403587 (No evidence of selling keys, which this person claims)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9345463 (Sold out of refined for buying @ 4.22, still buying @ 4.33 with no success)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8105609 (*facepalm*)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9164282 (Rather Successful; buying @ 4.11, selling @4.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9468990

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9436132 (Up for a day; only 1 offer of 4.22)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9400803

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9467854

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8087505 (My own trade; rather successful at buying/selling @ 4.11)

After a rather quick browse on Outpost, it is clear that 4.33 is only a rare exception of a successful trade, and should not be considered as part of the range quite yet, especially after the last suggestion was accepted not long ago.

There was actually one time I was selling for 3.88 ref two days ago.

Only 1 taker. I was outta bp space, gave the guy a scrap

Sellers @ 4 or 4.11 is much better counterproof than unsold 4.33s.

There is always bound to be unsolds. Look at other suggestions :)

Already 9 hours passed. Time to REFLECT MARKET once again.

the last suggestion was approved 9 hours ago, which was far later than it should have. that argument is awful considering how far behind bp.tf was on that one.

>should have

nice joke

the statistics on tf2finance showed that the average price was above the previous ranges high end. I don't plan on debating with you, though, since you've already been warned in this thread for calling people "faggets"

Implying i counting long as human.

You're showing a heck of a lot of sellers at 4.33, but not a lot of sold there.

The last one had a score of -315 yet accepted. One Of my suggestions had over 615 and admin didn't know if he can accept it because "not enough proof"

Interesting to see that anything that base64 writes is considered the gospel truth, and there are those oh so ready to defend his work...

Several Sold at 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9359638

Sold at 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9217864

3 sold at 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9320451

Sold at 4 ref 1 wep : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9260260

Sold 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9420507

Sold 4 ref 1 scrap : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9216391

A couple sold at 4 ref 1 scrap : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9220740

Sold 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9378476

Couple Sold at 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7677504

Sold 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9429077

Rejected 4 ref 1 scrap. : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9187035

Bought 18 for 4 ref : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9398063

I am a 4.22 buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9445313

I get added almost every time my trade gets bumped, and get sold 1 or 2 keys.

scrap.tf bought 54 keys at 4 ref each , i sold 4 keys there .

and finance 4.13 closer to 4.1-4.2 .

4.33 isn't easy .

classifieds listed 4 less than 4.33

|Elite|FOREVER ALONE Posted 26 minutes ago Mann Co. Supply Crate ey · Level 5 Tool 4.11 ref

|Elite|FOREVER ALONE Posted 27 minutes ago Mann Co. Supply Crate ey · Level 5 Tool 4.11 ref

[FYDM]$oul $tealer Posted 4 days ago Mann Co. Supply Crate Key · Level 5 Tool 4.22 ref

Clara Oswin Oswald Posted 3 days ago Mann Co. Supply Crate Key · Level 5 Tool 4.22 ref

Already? Sure.

I thought you hated this site because it "controlled" the market. Why are you so active on it?

Just enjoying the show.

ill upvote if you can find some trades of people paying 4.33

Seriously?

how ever ill downvote if you cant find even on trade of someone buying them for 4.33

I sold one at 4 ref today.

Fuck that 4.33 shit, that's ripping someone off

Today I sold a shovel for a strange sniper rifle

My buyer sold that shovel for a shread alert

Why cant I rip off

Wow. I must be ripping people off big time :-)

should remove 4 form the range

I guess that whole 9 day stretch was just too much. Now we have to cram in as many suggestions as possible.

Again already? -.-

i dont like this

Last suggestion : 10 hours ago

Base64 's awesome list

Frequently used comments

Section 1

1.You have X Keys in your backpack

2.Nobody buys Keys at X refined

3.Outpost is full of highballers

4.The trades have no takers

5.Halloween is already over

6.Stop the damn inflation

7.I put up a WTB trade at X refined and people added me within minutes

8.By the month of X, we would have Y keys in existence.

9.The number of Keys in existence is actually growing

10.Trades from bots should not be counted as proof

11.Trades from quickbuyers should not be counted as proof

12.Price in Mann Co Store has always been $2.49

13.This has gone too far

14.The market will crash

15.Backpack.tf influences the market

16.When backpack.tf raises the price, sellers charge at backpack.tf price + 1 scrap, and their trades are used as proof again.

17.The vicious cycle repeats!

18.We need to stop this madness

19.1 Key will be 10 refined next month

20.1 Key for your 2 Keys

21.They need to go down

22.I remember that Keys at X refined 200 days ago

23.You can still get them at lower price from trade servers

24.You can buy Keys from Warehouse

25.Look beyond Outpost

26.Prices are rising without a reason

27.You are ruining trading

Section 2

1.You don’t have Keys in your backpack

2.People are buying at X refined

3.Outpost is full of lowballers

4.Keys have always been in demand

5.Steam Market makes Keys desirable

6.I put up a WTS trade at X refined and people added me within minutes

7.People get Refined Metal for free every week from idling accounts

8.The sellers at X refined are out of stock

9.You can’t get them at current price from outpost anymore

10.Keys from Warehouse are always reserved

11.If people stop buying Keys at higher price, they will go back down.

12.The majority of the trading community uses Outpost

13.X Refined reflects the majority of actual trades today

14.If it’s going to crash, let it crash.

15.Find me a seller at X refined

16.Add me if you are selling Keys at X refined

17.X Keys is a quicksell

18.I’m not buying for resell

19.I sold X hundreds of Keys this week at Y refined

20.More crates means more unboxing

Section 3

1.Stop being greedy

2.I don’t care about downvotes

3.I think this is optimal

4.1 Key = X USD, 1 Ref = Y USD, therefore 1 Key = Z refined.

5.No proof downvoted

6.Where’s the proof?

7.You need more proof than that

8.This is not how it works

9.Stop whining

10.Not going to happen

11.Your links are from last week

12.Show me your inventory history

13.One trade does not represent the entire economy

14.Tons of links still doesn’t represent the entire economy

15.We shouldn’t touch the price of Keys

16.Range is too huge

17.Choo choo free rep train

18.The problem lies with Valve Corporation

19.Price is not based on opinions

20.We document prices here, we do not dictate them.

21.Last suggestion was passed X hours ago

22.I won’t vote

23.Prepare to be banned

24.Supply and Demand

25.(Discussions about the Great Depression, 1970s energy crisis, 2008 financial crisis, price of gasoline, milk, and other agricultural produce, gold, silver, and other precious commodities).

Section 4

(Insert valid proof here that helps this site to report true price so that users can make informed decisions.)

This summary covers the comments from the past 75 suggestions.

Merry's addendum:

Person X is greedy

Mods accept suggestions with negative votes

Mods are abusing the site

scrap.tf is X

tf2finance is not representative of market

You missed somethings

if you lowering the price : lack of seller trades "show me unsuccessful seller at X "

if you increase the price : lack of buyer trades "show me unsuccessful buying at Y "

while always you'll find all X-Y already successful

If TF2finance showing current range, then its irrelevant.

If TF2finance swowing 0.01 ref more, then it is proof, to raise price.

4.06 is 4-4.11

4.11 is 4-4.22

4.17 is 4-4.33

Now 4.13, time to raise to 4.11-4.33?

There are some price manipulators going around trading each other keys @ low prices.

And people call the mods here manipulators

The mods are only adding fuel to the fire...

So what if keys go up relative to refined. It changes nothing. Keys still go down relative to USD. What it does help is those people who buy keys to get premium so that they can trade that key for a bit more craft hat. People never look on the other side. I would prefer keys to stay at 4 ref just for easy profit calculations, but the buyers. Everyone never looks at the proof. They just put proofless stuff like this and make OP feel bad.

Uh huh... like Long218 feels bad after raising the price when he has 500 GODDAMN KEYS IN HIS BACKPCK!

*hides his can of gasoline*

I don't know what you're talking about.

CHOO CHOO

ALL ABOARD THE KEY TRAIN, LAST STOP FISCAL CLIFF.

Thanks Obama!

This is Long's job. Go away!

agreed !!!!!

It was discovered that long buys from carders. http://imgur.com/a/4Ufv7

wtf ! No wonder he wants to increase key prices. He gets them so easily, while we have to pay the "suggested" price. This guy should NOT be allowed to make key price suggestions. People should know about this!!!

You know that you can fake that just as easily? I can just change my name to exactly as his, and then have either an alt account or a friend talking to me about that. I'm not saying that I'm in Long's side, cuz I personally don't like key rises, but that isn't ACTUAL proof that he wrote that. Even if he did write that, how did we get a screen of it then? Watch, when I get back from school, I can reenact that, EXACTLY. I'll post a screenie for proof.

He admitted to saying this in chat on a site.

(Link will go here when I find it)

Ouch! BURNED!

WHAT 3 REF? PLZ COME BACK TO 2

A new one already? You people are relentless.

You have not one proof of someone buying for 4.33, so I see no reason why this should be accepted. Can you not even wait a day for your 1 scrap profit?

The next long218.

But most are sold for 4.11-4.22.

... so the middle of the suggested range

The admins really need to implement a cooldown period after a recent price change so people can't just add another one right after the last one...

Like 3 to 5 days for prices to stabilize so we're not seeing kneejerk price increases and overreactions from sellers.

I seriously think this is contributing to the inflation issue lately.

Honestly, I believe keys nowadays are going for 4.11-4.33. I can barely buy at 4.11 and I bet it rarely sells for 4.33

4.22 flat ftw

Most of the 4.33 sellers I've looked at have little to no takers. Maybe the Rubes are finally putting their preverbial foot down. LOLZ to no end

Finance is pretty out of your range.

When will this ride end?

When people stop buying keys for outrages prices. So not for a while

Whe valve makes keys craftable.

Episode 3 is priority

When backpack freezes key suggestions.

and now for people to start selling it for 4.44 then when that becomes the current price 4.55 and it keeps going on.

dont make key suggestions unless u are long

You are doing it wrong, the next step is 4.11-4.22.

Came here to say that but you beat me to it. Gñé.

please stop D:

IT JUST WENT UP 10 HOURS AGO, GIVE IT A FUCKING REST.

Jeez.

Does our vote even matter? The last suggestion passed with a score of -315

Not at all

It means as much as our vote for President, which is decided by the electoral college. Which as Buttstallion said means nothing at all.

ikr,that time a Key Suggestion got 945 votes and it got closed

last time passed with a score of -315 ._.

owns 7 key..... wow....

long (the guy who usually raises prices) owns 500+

That was sarcasm, just saying.

Dat 3.5 scraps profitz

finance has not been at 4.22 at all. no need to bump. downvote.

Takes too long to sell for 4.33 , if you manage to sell.

here is my own unsuccessful trade : http://bazaar.tf/trade/164296

so for today , downvote

lol just lol...i guess we have 8238525 new accounts farming metal after the last suggestion.. i'm pretty sure this suggestion have hand of someone..and by the way the last suggestion has been aproved with -315 negatives votes, vote yes or no is the same thing..what is the difference between backpack and spreedsheet?at least in spreedsheet they are more real, they don´t deceive people with "votes"

http://gyazo.com/cb3e5738d6955b8ae0f0d4111f7dc6ae

Sorry about my english, but i need to prove my point of view about this key- manipulation, if backpack want to recover some prestigious they need to stop this suggestions, is annoying all days one new suggestion

a nice day for all

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-57KjWin9u0E/T0k-QdkgEuI/AAAAAAAAA8o/udfBMCrKClY/s1600/jag+%C3%A4r+ute+meekatt+skjut+mig+omodern+pinsam.png

My reaction to that picture and the suggested price now.

Make another suggestion tomorrow, I'll be waiting.

Longs key suggestion passed with -309 votes, which proves this website is no better than spreadshit

votes matter so much m4n

just because the poor community thinks keys should be lower!!

You're an idiot. WE DON'T WANT KEY PRICES TO RISE.

No, it proves people downvote key rises.

key price just rised yesterday!!!!!!! Why do you even want it to rise again??????? TF2 economy is corrupted and so is backpack.tf

-395 points, accepted. + points for decrease in price = closed

this site should not have the key price because all it does is increase the price.

Why do everyone still cares about this? We all know that the mannconomy can't last forever. The end already started months ago.

"the end"

it backpack is truly about the community, look at the previous suggestions ,,, -315 votes still accepted ,, -10 votes still accepted ,, -28 votes still accepted ,,, something have to CHANGE right brad pitt ?

Votes from random people on the internet can be useful sometimes, but their usefulness degrades when hundreds and hundreds of people with an agenda hound the voting system. Just look at reddit comments...

also had a suggestion ,, i got 60+ points and it got rejected ,, logic

What the fuck.

Why are you suggesting the 4,33 when you can't even provide links of buyers who are buying for 4,33?

I'm just gona leave my middle finger to you, Pum. thats about everything i have to say about this ''Suggestion''.

You serious?...

I mean , this is one of the most unrespectful responses I have seen so far.

No... Just No

4.33? UAHURHUAHUEA RBRBRBRBRB no.

Jesus.. ADMINS, please make a statement that key suggestions can be accepted once a week... What's the point of changing the price eveyday :O

Why the fuck would they do that when they are part of this corrupted piece of shit site and getting profits along the manipulators? You guys are so fucking dumb it hurts that you don't see it.

Anyone else expecting keys to rise to like 10 ref?

2 keys and a scrap for 1 key? Hellz yeah!

Feel like there needs to be a grace period after a key price has been accepted to let the market adjust.

It's basically this to key sellers: "backpack.tf just raised the price a few hours ago, time to sell for 1 scrap higher!" RIP market.

The way the market works, is that people believe this site is the holy text that must be followed to the tee. Price is 4 Ref, let's get an extra scrap for profit. The suggestion passed not even 1 day ago. Let it go. ಠ_ಠ

I wonder what would happen if the value of keys stopped being listed here.

I've been buying keys at 4.33 for quite some time. You should see people jump. Since they jump so fast it makes me think its far off.

i you're buying keys for metal, especially at that price, you're part of the problem.

you don't need to do direct. buy items for metal, trade items for other items, trade items for keys.

Seriously? They just raised it less than 2 days ago. What more could you want? Very few get this much for it.

Um, Long218 got banned.

Someone on Outpost literally sold dozens of keys for 2.33. *ADDED* ADDED* ADDED* every minute.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9357281

stop raising the price of keys for your own profit. backpack.tf voting is being used for the wrong reasons.

http://i.imgur.com/abS8n8R.png

Well this is gonna get accepted anyway ... So here's eight I sold for 34 ref . (4.33 each)

Why do key suggestions keep passing, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE IN THE NEGATIVE ZONE. The last suggestion got passed with -316 score. Do our votes mean nothing? Do we not live in a democratic society? There is corruption a foot, those with the most keys in there backpacks can manipulate the price all they want, but it's up to YOU the buyer to BOYCOTT keys! Never pay ridiculous prices for keys! It doesn't matter what backpack.tf has to say about it, keys can shoot up to 10 ref each but YOU the buyer should only be paying 2.66 for em'. I leave you with these words, god bless America.

This is ridiculous. Nobody is buying keys for 4.33. Look at the fucking votes.

Someone lower this price before the economy crashes. It's becoming as bad as Spreadsheet.

No, stop being an ass and raising the prices of keys.

Not enough supplied to demonstrate that keys are selling regularly at 4.33. Tf2finance is continuing to hold around 4.11, which demonstrates that current price is more accurate than suggested. General concensus among the comments who are actually discussing the suggested price indicate that 4.33 is difficult to achieve. And finally, votes are abnormally low, even for a key suggestion.

All signs indicate 4.33 shouldn't be included at this time. Closing.