Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.11–4.22 ref

Price Suggestion

~57.22 ref

608 votes up

729 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 25 Mar 13 07:38:59 +0000 by Soundtrack.

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http://tf2finance.com/keys/ - at 4.17 at time of posting.

Edit: Proof:

Buying for 4.11:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9173045

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9432961

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9124138

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9460599

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9220740

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9481563

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9379523

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8424607

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9517159

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9461883

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9495667

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9197444

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9213134

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9472668

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9516087

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9263359

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9500526

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9513796

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9516068

Buying for 4.22:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9411810

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9423089

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9505988

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9480849

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9361056 - My own trade

oh god.

Here we go again.

What? But...but...but proof...

Let me know when the proof arrives...

I guess no one let me know when the proof arrived... :(

There is none. 4 ref is still feasible.

It is as feasible as 4.33, should we include 4.33 in the range as well? No?

Alright.

Off of Outpost anyway.

May Gaben have mercy on your soul.

and they still think I single-handedly raise key price.

Long? You're getting... Upvotes? What?

We aren't savages. We hate long only when he's doing stupid key stuff. Everything else he's an alright guy.

There's two longs keylong and long long. Get it? Got it? Good.

"We aren't savages"

Ha. Have you seen the comments on most key suggestions?

Yes. Key suggestions we are savages.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51453abdba2536456c000002

How ironic that your name is Corrupted.

it probably made dr.feel good feel bad

I'm guessing your Long's alt account?

What about my Long's alt account?

This guys account came to bp in 2010, long was in 2011. :P

You should not be even commenting.

so, the rise seems to be slowing down

In the next 40 minutes, you're likely to have ~300+ downvotes for having no proof.

And... There.

http://puu.sh/2mO8o

http://tf2finance.com/2013_03/

watch as this comment gets downvoted

Dude, just stop commenting.

EDIT: posted below

inb4 shit storm

haha, we posted at same time xD

inb4 shitstorm happens

inb4 you dun goofed.

again?

nope again

inb4 shi- oh wait thats been said twice already.

three times*

2 times when I posted this...god damn people move fast.

Once you get your proof, remember to explain why 4.11-4.22 is better than 4.00-4.33

more trades happen in that range

Because no one buys for 4.33 and no one sells for 4. Simple.

Incoming!!

Move zis gear up!

*sigh*

just stop.

we will never stop

profit_gods_initiate

sm_exec_congif profit_gods.cfg

sm_execcfg profit_gods.cfg*

*Being an admin on lots of servers*

comment that on all the links on tf2outpost and enjoy a ban. You're lucky that backpack.tf allows you to voice an opinion about a price to a greater extent than tf2outpost before the possibility of getting warned/banned.

im lucky I can voice my opinion, but continue to do so and get banned?

logic = strong

Well when your opinion is useless name calling such as on the S. Degreaser suggestion, then yes it may lead to a ban. The reason comments are here are to give either support or constructive criticism about the suggestion in question. It is not a place to put a butthurt, meaningless response such as your comment: "just stop". That's why so many people disliked it because it contributed nothing, but an insignificant space that someone now has to scroll over.

Welp here we go again mates. Watcha your drink?

I'll have a downvote hold the wine-ing.

How can you beer all these puns?

Easily, they come around once in a Blue Moon you know.

THAT'S WHY 4.11 AND 4.22 ARE IN CURRENT RANGE! SHOW ME PROOF OF UN SUCCESSFUL BUYERS AT 4 REF. MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK HOW DO I STOP THIS.

Hold shift while typing, it will counter act the caps lock.

I have no idea why I gave you a serious answer, but oh well.

I CAN NOT STOP WRITING IN CAPITAL LETTERS?

I CAN'T STOP TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS AND I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TURN IT OFF, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW I CAN TURN IT OFF??? THIS IS RUINING MY SOCIAL LIFE BECAUSE ALL MY FRIENDS THINK I AM SHOUTING AT THEM WHEN I TYPE.... HELP PLEEAAASEEE!!! http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100223153635AA1hNrU

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9418697 I've bought two within 4 days. If 4 was in the range, I'd be getting at least 1-a-day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9463042

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9401914

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9332996

bought something like 12 keys for 4 ref each over the course of about a week, including yesterday. they each had about 40 views max before I closed them. Price is still there.

I can predict the future. This comment will be downvoted.

What are the lottery numbers then for this week?

4 8 15 16 23 42

Dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAPKB6-DYOY

Dude.

I disliked this comment. you are nostradamus

No spamming on the comments.

Keep it civil please. You may not like key prices, but we can still treat each other like human beings, right?

Too far, even if it is a joke

...[/sarcasm]?

this guy is mad watch out he's using bad words

Feel free to provide counterproof then. Remember that saying you can buy for less on trade servers, whether that is true or not, does not count as proof unless screenshots are provided.

One day 3.33 will rise again.... But not today.

On a more serious note, instead of just yelling at the suggesters for initiating price raises every other day, we as a community should probably have a good, long top about the future of keys.

When is enough enough? When will people finally decide that keys are too much and nobody will buy them with ref? What if keys continue to skyrocket to the point that they're unusable as a currency? What will we replace them with, ToD tickets? Valve supposedly has economists that are always watching the TF2 and Dota economies. When will they intervene to stop the madness, and how?

Key rising is unavoidable. A person with a ton of keys suggests a price raise and despite having 20% of the votes, still gets suggested. Wait a day or 2 and repeat. Instead of panicking about that, we should look forwards and figure out what to do next.

/rant

The problem is picking something everyone would agree on. I think, if we freeze the key price on this site for a week or two, outpost will say "Hey, we're a scrap above backpack. We completed our goal. Let's stop raising the price now guyz."

Then keys stop rising and everyone is (kind of) happy.

However, I'm sure a lot of people would lose faith in this site if it started to censor suggestions.

"if we freeze the key price on this site for a week or two"

The gap between the 4-4.11 suggestion and the 4-4.22 suggestion lasted 11 days.

Keys still rose. This wouldn't change, it isn't just a scrap above bp.tf, key sellers buy out people lower than them so the only option is to buy from them since they are the only people selling. Once they've sold all of their keys, they repeat, buy out anyone lower than them, sell them right back because they are the new lowest seller.

We may be making this happen at a faster pace, but if we stopped, people on Outpost would continue to do that.

So does this mean there's no solution? Have we entered a cycle that won't end until people just stop buying keys?

It stops when people decide they no longer want to pay X for a key.

But even then, people will always wants to pay X for a key, mainly because they figure if they buy out everyone lower than them, people will have to buy from them, and since people have to buy keys, they have to pay the price for them.

I won't say there is no solution, but I sure as hell don't know of one.

i'm fine with keys as a currency, the problem is - what do we use for change? and what is going to happen to all the items that are being priced in refined

In 1 month its going to be like this. Selling one key for 2 keys!

But I only have 2 keys. Can I buy 3 instead? I'll have 4 more tomorrow. Unless you can give 5 keys as change.

I lost track...which one of you is the greedy profiteer and which one of you is getting ripped off?

His 1 key, plus 5 more keys as change, versus my 2 keys, plus the 4 more I'll have tomorrow. 6:6 = Even trade. :)

...That was not intended to make sense....why did it make sense?

Key suggestions...anything goes...

http://puu.sh/2mQhx

Better stock up...

Except last time I checked, toilet paper wasn't one of the most vital parts of the economy.

It is when raging 12 year old 'economists' think the economy is shit and circling the drain. ;)

Herp derp inflation.

Bp.tf ruined the game because keys are the only important part of playing an fps.

You don't get it! Nao mah enemy won't think I'm kewl if I kill them with a stock weapon! Iz gotta be a Strange Festive stock weapon that I paid 50 keys for! Along with an unusual effect that is hard to see, but is still worth 100s of keys!

Wut u mean u cant c my n&b on my Mongolian?

sht up pour kidd. u just jelley. tololololol.

What are you talking about ? Everyone thinks it's circling the drain.

I don't think it is. Therefore your statement is inaccurate.

already did http://i.imgur.com/siuLU9W.jpg

Going to Walmart.

All I can say is:

Prepare your anus.

You need proof that people are being unsuccessful at selling for 4 ref, bro.

I've sold several, successfuly at 4 ref, this suggestion is bogus

I'm selling my keys for less, so price should be lower

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9466133

Woha, you sold one Key for 4 Ref, this totally influences the current marketprice!

you might want to check the overall volume (and discount the spike caused by long selling for 2.66 to get rid of his carded keys...)

You can also sell them for 1 ref, doesn't mean that the price will be 1 ref :P

You've sold several successfully at the low-end? :O

I'm so shocked and proud of you! You're also guilty of purchasing a key for 4 refined 2 weeks ago when the price was 3.88-4.11 refined thus fueling the suggestion that soon followed which was 4-4.11 refined: [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9133106[/url]

... at buying* for 4 ref, bro.

lol hes raising keys not dropping

If your going to edit the key prices, you needd to have more then 24 trades. The key prices shouldnt be up for votes, its honestly just stupid. the whole system is stupid. "o god the key bubble is gonna burst" "we need to stabalize" "its inflation from the idle accounts! (cuz there DEFINETELY werent any before the past 3 months)" honestly, I give up,. Each key i get I am going to use it to uncrate. goodbye key votes and trades, cya in another life brotha!

Finance when it suddenly rised: (bit more than 5 hours old)

http://visty.uw.hu/financeagain.png

I don't think finance have any method, to filter te manipulating attempts.. Someone please explain how it could filter them. (It wasn't sarcasm, I still didn't see any explanation about it.)

____________________

About proof: We already know that 4.11 is in the range. 4.22 is also in the range since 2 days, but if you found only 5 proof for 4.22, then we probably should drop it back to simple 4.11 without a range...

Also provide that 4.00 is not possible anymore! (It is the suggerster's job!)

Not really. There was a trader to BOUGHT for 4.33 in bulk. But that's only counted as 1 trade, and it's weight on the Blue Line is equal to the weight of other trades.

Also, both 4 and 4.33 are "possible", but people claim that only the 1 scrap range shall be reported here.

"There was a trader to BOUGHT for 4.33 in bulk."

So there was a trader who SOLD for 4.33 in bulk. (its the same! lol)

Why did you mention the bulk trade, if it only counts as the other trades? Meanwhile if it was really count as the others, then how the volume of keys rised suddenly that much? And the price rised of course at the same time.

If you wanted to refer to the price rising with the bulk trade, then it means there are only a few keys being sold a day. So only 1 bulk trade could influence (manipulate) the whole market's price. You just admitted it. (=demand much less for keys at the current price, then it was below 3-4ref, much less succesfull trades)

It means tf2finance is way too easy to manipulate. And of course all the sellers want to sell their keys at the highest price, (with only a few sold keys). Just like on the previous suggestions, thats why we couldn't see too many succesfull trades(proofs), the number of proofs was also way too low since it reached 4 ref. (And half of the proofs were usually invalid.)

So if I would sell 300 keys for 3.66 each (bulk trade), would it goes back to under 4 ref?

(1 scrap range is too low, it has to reflect the market, so then even 4-4.33 would be better)

You are wrong, I'm saying 1 bulk trade cannot influence the whole market price at all.

If you sell 300 keys for 3.66, your trade will completely be excluded.

If you sell 300 Keys at 4.00, it is no different than selling 1 Keys at 4.00.

Please don't distort my response.

Wait, so if you sell below a margin of the average key price, the trade won't be counted at all? Not even as one key sell?

Below -3x Standard Deviation, i.e. 0.1% of all trades

http://i.imgur.com/fMm3ts3.png

Alright, just wondering how big that margin/standard deviation was.

Then sorry, but you wroted this:

"There was a trader to BOUGHT for 4.33 in bulk. But that's only counted as 1 trade, and it's weight on the Blue Line is equal to the weight of other trades."

Im not sure then why did you mention that bulk buyer at all, if it doesn't count on the volume of keys, or the price of keys. (Since it has nothing to do with the sudden rise of the volume/price of keys.)

Hm, so if I would do 300x trades with 1 key for 3 ref, that would count as 300 trades? Or how is it work?

Anyway, then how the volume got suddenly so high(along with the price rising)? And how could you filter manipulating attempts on finance?

It does count on the volume of Keys. (and thus answering your second question)

But it has nothing to do with the sudden rise in Price.

If you feel that a bulk trade shall not influence volume, please tell me why.

>300x trades with 1 key for 3 ref

If you (one person) conducts this over 72 fixed periods, you will be excluded from the sample pool forever.

As an exception this time, I will reveal the buyer/seller.

Buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8651853

http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/217299

Seller:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8872594

http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/63382

Please click on every Refined to see the history if you want.

Thanks for the infos!

Now it is a bit more clearer. So one person couldn't influence the price, only the volume, but that doesn't mean anything since it counts as an 1 key trade.

It is ok, but would it possible with a bunch of alts? Because we know that there are farmers, with 50-100 idler alt. (alts trading between each other, with different numbers, and prices or something like that) Could it happen?

To quoth the Santa Heavy: You're like the birds from Finding Nemo but instead of "Mine mine mine" It's "Finance finance finance."

inb4 downvote

Serious question: How many keys are actually being sold per day? With the price of keys manipulated to such a high level, I doubt very strongly that more than 300 keys are being sold per day.

There are way more than 300 keys sold per day, I do not know the exact amount, but I know 300 is way too small.

more than 10.000 for sure..and the price of keys is not being manipulated, it's rising naturally

I sincerely doubt that 10,000 keys are being sold daily.

with all the big time unusual traders, little key traders, every strange traded, every key reseller, buds resellers, bill's resellers and with the massive amount of people trading, not forgetting all the bots for the websites, within a 24 hour time-frame it's gonna exceed 10.000 on busy days..and even if I'm off by a bit, I'll bet you 1000$ all day every day that I'm WAY WAY closer to the actual number than you are mate

Ya I've had some trouble buying at 4 lately, up-vote from me.

fyi tf2outpost is not the entire tf2market

u need proof from tf2tp, tf2bazzar also

You can also get proof from there to help disprove this suggestion if you believe it to be inaccurate.

Sometimes I dream about cheese

WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?! 4.22 ref? Why its going higher and higher? 3.66 is good, we dont need bigger prices. NEGATIVE!

I never have steam money, and i want to buy fucking key in tf2 items, but its HIGH price. Maybe you will think about us, who cant get steam money?

beg your mommy more

Why should people who can get keys care about people who don't. Backpack.tf isn't FDR

You should have added proof of sellers at 4.11-4.33 Ref.

Guys who are sold out at 4.33 Ref are also good to prove that the price needs a new range.

Most of my friends count keys as 4 ref . When getting change for a key we consider it 4 ref . I often pick up a key or two for 4 ref on trade servers .

I'd post some trades I made but most I paid with items so it wouldn't really give an exact price.

Then again ... we all know backpack.tf's based on outpost and all else should fuck itself.

Dude, the average keyprice is nearly 4.22 Ref, because most go for about that price. Btw. Two keys are such a small number if you check the sales at 4.22+

please... no

Honestly, I am not sure why 4.11 is even in this range. I would have made this 4.22-4.33. People barley sell for 4.22 and I have seen no one selling at 4.11.

Do it, I would love to have free rep.

It wouldn't be free rep if people are getting successful sales at 4.33 and even 4.44 :P

It would be when tf2finance isn't at 4.22 refined let alone 4.27 which would be the minimum average you need to even have a chance of getting 4.22-4.33 refined passed, but go right ahead and suggest it.

I don't care what tf2finace says. I never have and probably never will. I dislike the site and do not trust it. I don't know why I hate it I just do.

Okay, then make your suggestion already so that I may downvote it.

I will once this one gets accepted

by the time this gets accepted tf2finance is gonna be above 4.22, he is completely right..haven't seen u that ignorant in a while baloo

I'm sorry does backpack.tf record present prices or someone's predictions about the future? Answer me that, Jerrinho. Last time I checked someone's opinion of the future didn't mean a damn thing on backpack.tf and still doesn't. The current market for keys as of this moment does not support the range he believes would accurately represent keys at this moment. Think before you make yourself sound like an idiot.

Awaiting your reply whenever you feel like it.

I'll give your advice right back to u, let u re-read what u just wrote and will not bother to reply to that, because I know that you can do better than that

Current average price on tf2finance is 4.21 refined. It has been fluctuating in between 4.11-4.22 refined for days now and as tf2finance clearly states:

Warning!

[...] Please use this page for daily average or long-term trends only.

This idea to suggest 4.22-4.33 refined is not accurate for the current average selling price for keys. I haven't seen you this ignorant in a while, Jerrinho.

Awaiting your reply whenever you feel like it.

you know ~~shit's~~ getting serious when someone is writing like this

I honestly thought it would look cooler than that..oh well

You're going to completely ignore what I wrote and simply try to make a jab at how to properly quote a source when it is longer than a sentence? I see your ability to argue your incorrect stance is quite persuasive.

I thought it would be quite funny, I just totally misread his comment, thought he was asking for 4.11-4.33, however your comments were very ignorant, which is why I was trying to see if u would be able to see that..which u weren't, so yea, I reflected, time for you to do the same maybe

Nope, I take back nothing and meant every last word down to the last period. I would downvote any suggestion that came out at this moment that tried to suggest 4.22-4.33 refined and I would consider it nothing but free rep. Reflection done.

that's a shame then, I thought you were friendlier than that

I don't have patience for those who wrongfully try to criticize me or try unsuccessfully to prove me wrong. Example: [url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/514c37e6ba2536c83d00000f[/url]

well you should have that patience..and you were being unfriendly and still are unnecessarily aggressive, which is something you didn't use to be and if that's starting to become your general mood you should try to reflect on that

Eh... 4.11 is hard to find, 4.22 is about average. I've never seen anyone willing to buy at 4.33. It'll probably rise in like 2 days again

BRACE YOURSELVES FROM THE MIGHTY PENETRATING KEYS.

Oh, and http://tf2finance.com/keys/ is at 4.2 http://i.imgur.com/g8w2foz.png?1 at the time of posting.

All im gonna say is Dont fucking put key prices up more.

Keep it civil please... You may not like key prices, but we can at least treat each other like human beings, right?

Yup. Sorry

Just to contribute, I put up a trade selling keys for 4 and I got 8 adds in the span of 2 minutes. People ain't selling for 4 anymore

Awww, you gonna run to the corner and cry while telling your mommy that you hate that big, mean backpack.tf and you're done with trading?

You would defend backpack.tf...

If people don't want to use this site then they don't need to use, but apparently that is too difficult an idea to conceptualize. Instead most just go to backpack.tf and just complain over and over again yet none of them provide counterproof, none of them leave the site, none of them do anything except get up on their little soap box and whine to any other whiner that will support them.

"Awww, you gonna run to the corner and cry while telling your mommy that you hate that big, mean backpack.tf and you're done with trading?" Did you have to be rude about it? Aren't you applying for a mod position?

I've bought something like 12 keys for 4 refined in the last little while (2 days or so). The 4 ref price is still there, not yet time to bump up the lower end. If the average is at 4.17, and there are trades at 4.33 (which there are a lot of), then 4 is still an option. Please don't raise the lower end. The price is still there.

FML

cry more, it will help the suggestion a lot

neither is your comment.

Person 1: "Cry more, it will help the suggestion a lot"

Person 2: "Neither is your comment."

...............What..?

Their relationship goes beyond keys. Wink wink

Owns 97 keys

Aaaaaaaaaaand?

oh so there is some one saw my post

Don't worry, I bought buds. I only have 42 keys now. Feel better?

lol every one who posts something against raising keys gets downvoted

http://imageshack.us/a/img705/1695/key25.jpg

I'm really missing good old times :(

Dude. doing this makes it look like you just want 4.11 refined.

Raising the price of keys Basically raises the price of everything above it as well.

NO SHIT STOP RISING UP THE FUCKING KEYS

2 days later=4.22.4.33, 4 days later 4.44-4.55......1 month later 1key=2 keys....1 year later 1 key=8 bill´s hat...1,5 years later RIP TF2 economy, thanks backpack.tf, Mr. price experts and greedy people..sad..just sad..

counter proof = my common sense

don't....buy....keys.....then

no shit sherlock...

why complain then? idiotic comment, idiotic replies

that's pretty much it. i only buy keys with cash and i don't except metal in trade. metal has become itchy and scratchy money.

I honestly hope you're joking because your common sense would probably also tell you that in the future, one dollar will be equal to two dollars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony ^^

If you're trying to say you were being sarcastic, you didn't make it very clear. It's hard to tell when people are sarcastic on the internet because of lack of body language and sarcastic tones in voices.

read that article..in this universe, u were not being ironic

umad rofl loliloololo lkalsdas XDDDDDDDDDDDD

wow. typical quote from one internet kid.. ^^

PS:

you missed the link with one meme or something like that

me irl http://puu.sh/2naHn

thank you ^^

upvote

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

http://captainobviousreportingforduty.com/yourcommentisuseless

http://hownew.ru/

Sold 2 keys for 5 ref each 8^) http://puu.sh/2nadF

Well, fuck you then.

Keep it civil. Let's act like adults, shall we?

On a few months I'll probably be able to afford 100 hats with a single key if this keeps up...

And that would be bad? More hats a key gets the better

This is the reason why I am quitting team fortress 2.

so you're quitting a fps with trading as a side option and balanced weapons so no need for others because of the trading side option

Yesh i find that MOBA Games and mmo are more fun.

A scrap matters.

we will miss you

So the thread has devolded into people who are supporting the key price hike and meme-spamming. This certainly does bode well for the future of the site.

*note the sarcasm*

Then don't use backpack.tf. You've been saying backpack.tf is going to die off for at least a month now yet here you are every week commenting.

um a grill ;(

you just shows buyers at 4.11 - 4.22 okaaay those already in the current range . now proof it's impassible to buy at 4 ref ? that's isn't true i bought 2 keys 3.88 in trade servers and sold some keys 4 ref each at scrap.tf and buyers successful bought at 4 ref in outpost : just quick search in the first page

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9512893 reject sellers more than 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9359638 last key bought today .

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9490877 there is no enough metals in his bp , almost bought

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9240033 last key bought today

Dude, the average price is 4.22 Ref.

Let's say 85% of the Keys are being traded for 4.11-4.22 and 15% for 3.88-4 Ref.

Why should we consider 3.88 Ref in range then? The number of Keys which are being traded for that price is just too low.

On that same coin.... Dude, the average price is 4.22 Ref.

Let's say 85% of the Keys are being traded for 4.11-4.33 and something blah blah something else.

Y this no close for 4.11-4.33 yet? it's been 4.22 for a whole 30 minutes guys, you're slacking!

/sarcasm

I don't see your point there

There wasn't a point, that's the point. I just wanted to be part of the other 100 useless people that comment on keys :(

That doesn't even make sense dude.

no one is denying that keys can't be bought for 4 ref. But keys can also be sold for 4.33. why is that not in the range? Most trades are happening between 4.11-4.22, with some at 4, and some at 4.33

Well off to spreadsheet. cya guys :D

Enjoy, have fun realizing that spreadsheet's current key price is 4.11 +/- refined. I hope you find that totally different than backpack.tf's suggested price.

Well at least it has no fault in raising key prices.

lol, so you think a site that is run by one person who has proven to be a price manipulator in the past is better than a community based spreadsheet in which users can see why a price was suggested along with the ability to give feedback. Enjoy.

Not like this site is much different. Instead of one price manipulator, it's a group.

>community based spreadsheet

Sounds cool. Too sad only sounds.

People Enough is Enough! no more raising prices! its just going to far!

No.

Are you just sayin that to increase value of your backpack?

Is your post biased on your opinion?

No I don't believe that it not bais due to the fact that there is no sortage of keys in the tf2 commuinty. so the price should not be raised?

The demand is rising so the price too. And even if we wouldnt know why they exactly rising we still have proof of the rising in price ._.

EDIT: the first guy that responded for you will actually lose the value of his backpack, he has only 7 keys and a s*** ton of refined.

Please upvote keys ;___; I collect them

btw, um a girl xD

No one cares if you're a girl or not on the internet.

Sold for 4.22 instantly. Upvote.

Am I too late to the shitstorm?

I never complain about key prices, they could be 10 ref for all I care, but why change the range if people are still buying/selling for 4 ref? Some people can't go through a day without managing key prices.

u do have a point there, but we would need screenshots proving that's still happening..just because the majority of trades happen at a higher range doesn't necessarily mean the low end has to be changed

The 4ref price is a round number and so comfortable, becuase you can easiely convert the key prices in metal, like 1.5keys = 6ref, 1.25keys = 5ref.

Its actually getting to the point if you buy keys for 1.30 in real life, you'll be making more of a profit cause .38x4.2>1.30

Ref is dropping, too..

Where are these buyers of refined at $.38? I would love to meet a reputable buyer at that amount.

There should be a regulation period like when you buy keys from mann co you gotta wait 3days. Should be the same with these damn key votes. Instead of 3days it should be a week. Quit trying to raise the prices on keys when you damn well they never sell over 4refs! Nothing against Long218 this isn't him this time just everyone else is abusing the shit out of this site for key price's. Needs to be more mods!

Keep it civil.

Try to sell it for 4.22ref each,,, 100 adds in less then a minute

This needs to be accepted soon ;_;

why not directly 5 refs?

Hey, we have a 9 days record for the key-price to defend.

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9278685

I don't know...

Guys, just an idea, what if you trade keys for free, or at like 2.66 ref, between your alts, if enough people did that wouldn't it affect the data on tf2finance? and cause it to go lower? just wondering :3

Yes, let's manipulate prices. Definitely. #sarcasm

that doesn't answer my question ._.

And im not saying you should do it, im just saying, wouldn't it affect the data? Just wondering cuz there are like a ton of people that want the price to go lower, and are just raging over the internet, and im jw, why no one has thought of this yet

too bad that is not how it work else people can just trade 10 ref for a key between their alts and keep manipulating that shit

but can finance detect the difference? And that's exactly what i was trying to get through. As a lot of suggestion's are just using finance as a base, for example this. It's suggesting 4.11-4.22 because finance is showing 4.17, isn't it possible to manipulate the data?

go ask base but I doubt he will tell you cuz else everyone will know how to manipulate price on finance.

Suddenly i dont find it reliable anymore, as the price can be manipulated ._., even if you can't do it with alts, you could do it with your friends...

No, free keys would not be counted as base64 described earlier when he stated it only counts key sales that occur within 3 standard deviations of the mean average selling price for keys. It also has a system to rule out trades, such as the one you are describing, of swapping keys back and forth between 2 accounts. Thus has been brought up and addressed multiple times in the past. Also how do think proposing intentional market manipulation would be an ample tool in fighting the supposed manipulation people are claiming we have now? Do people really care about manipulation occurring then, or do they simply wish to have key prices go back down so they can buy for a lower amount causing a shortage causing keys to rise again?

ohhhhhh thanks for clearing that up ^_^ and honestly... im a little too stupid to answer your questions :3 but these suggestion's don't affect me xD im done with trading for now. No keys, No metal. :D

I'm just going to leave this here.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9553159

This is what happens,

It is the reason prices rise...

backpack.tf says 4 ref. People sell at 4.11

backpack.tf sees this and says price is 4.11

people sell at 4.22 now, since they will always look at current price and put it slightly higher.

backpack.tf sees this and says price is 4.33

Rinse, repeat, link to trades showing "proof"

It will always be like this until buyers use their small brains and stop buying for that much.

Still sellers at 4 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9553381

Just bought some keys from him.

:O a trade that's completed

I hear a lot of people wondering when keys will stop rising. They will stop rising when people decide that its more cost productive to pay $2.50 straight from the Mann (pun intended), and the supply rises again. Until then don't expect this to stop anytime soon.

It would also help if Valve created a use for Refined metal where it would remove the vast supply that only continues to grow everyday. I have crafted 3 ref together for a hat/misc and its not a profitable experience or one I would continue doing.

Keys are already sky rocketing we don't need to pay up to 5 ref in the next month people really you need to bring the price back down to 3-3.44 ref I have no idea why you people think its the greatest idea to bring the price higher and higher everyday

STOP INCREASING THE FUCKING PRICES

It's very simple people.

As long as people buy at these prices, they will continue to rise.

I don't support the rise of key prices but as it is with people buying them, there is no choice here.

QQ Some more, poorfags.

Long and I are gonna make so much money together and there's nothing you can do about it

Don't do that! The #savethekeys people will ignore the sarcasm and tell everyone they're quitting backpack (if only they would).

God damn it.

The only reason why these are going up is because everyone on outpost lowballs.

They sell for more and buy for less, JUST to make profit.

You want keys to go down? DONT BUY THEM FOR 5 REF.

HELL, DONT EVEN BUY THEM AT FOUR.

They'll soon be SIX ref! It's just about there!

You'll go to take a piss, then it'll br SEVEN!

Stop. Causing. Inflation.