Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.22 ref

Price Suggestion

~57.22 ref

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Buying for 4.2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9475996

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9552770

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9458933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9527203

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9361056

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9532993

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9518660

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9563028

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9508467

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9533827

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9336470

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9423089

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9480849

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9567553

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8440932

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9573186

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9559717

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9336470

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9563916

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9571975

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9569578

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9505988

Buying for 4.3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9505694

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9016111

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9562251

Sold on trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9439908

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9518098

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7075222

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8747174

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9403587

Long218, where are you!

nop, I am me c:

cool story bro

Hey about the first sold on trade link, is there any proof that he actually sold keys for that price or is he making it up to get buyers?

I would want to raise a petition that key reselling scums' trades should not be used as proof on outpost. Most of the proof this website ever see is those posts.

I second this. There are tons of people that quickbuy stranges for a few scrap lower than the prices here, and resell them for higher. But the difference is, we don't use them as justification for changing the price of the stranges. Keybankers do the exact same thing, and they shouldn't be used as proof either.

actually, we do. Quickbuyers, if there are many, cause the price to drop.

For example, 10 links of SUCCESSFUL quickbuyers mean it is probably not a quickbuyer anymore. Many successful sellers are also proof.

If buyers and sellers are not both proof, NOTHING would be proof. Logic please.

Yes, but if you are buying at higher then the current price and you are looking to make a profit that means they need to be valued higher. It means they know they can sell it even higher again.

praise the lord for you sir :)

Base64 's awesome list

Frequently used comments

Section 1

1.You have X Keys in your backpack

2.Nobody buys Keys at X refined

3.Outpost is full of highballers

4.The trades have no takers

5.Halloween is already over

6.Stop the damn inflation

7.I put up a WTB trade at X refined and people added me within minutes

8.By the month of X, we would have Y keys in existence.

9.The number of Keys in existence is actually growing

10.Trades from bots should not be counted as proof

11.Trades from quickbuyers should not be counted as proof

12.Price in Mann Co Store has always been $2.49

13.This has gone too far

14.The market will crash

15.Backpack.tf influences the market

16.When backpack.tf raises the price, sellers charge at backpack.tf price + 1 scrap, and their trades are used as proof again.

17.The vicious cycle repeats!

18.We need to stop this madness

19.1 Key will be 10 refined next month

20.1 Key for your 2 Keys

21.They need to go down

22.I remember that Keys at X refined 200 days ago

23.You can still get them at lower price from trade servers

24.You can buy Keys from Warehouse

25.Look beyond Outpost

26.Prices are rising without a reason

27.You are ruining trading

Section 2

1.You don’t have Keys in your backpack

2.People are buying at X refined

3.Outpost is full of lowballers

4.Keys have always been in demand

5.Steam Market makes Keys desirable

6.I put up a WTS trade at X refined and people added me within minutes

7.People get Refined Metal for free every week from idling accounts

8.The sellers at X refined are out of stock

9.You can’t get them at current price from outpost anymore

10.Keys from Warehouse are always reserved

11.If people stop buying Keys at higher price, they will go back down.

12.The majority of the trading community uses Outpost

13.X Refined reflects the majority of actual trades today

14.If it’s going to crash, let it crash.

15.Find me a seller at X refined

16.Add me if you are selling Keys at X refined

17.X Keys is a quicksell

18.I’m not buying for resell

19.I sold X hundreds of Keys this week at Y refined

20.More crates means more unboxing

Section 3

1.Stop being greedy

2.I don’t care about downvotes

3.I think this is optimal

4.1 Key = X USD, 1 Ref = Y USD, therefore 1 Key = Z refined.

5.No proof downvoted

6.Where’s the proof?

7.You need more proof than that

8.This is not how it works

9.Stop whining

10.Not going to happen

11.Your links are from last week

12.Show me your inventory history

13.One trade does not represent the entire economy

14.Tons of links still doesn’t represent the entire economy

15.We shouldn’t touch the price of Keys

16.Range is too huge

17.Choo choo free rep train

18.The problem lies with Valve Corporation

19.Price is not based on opinions

20.We document prices here, we do not dictate them.

21.Last suggestion was passed X hours ago

22.I won’t vote

23.Prepare to be banned

24.Supply and Demand

25.(Discussions about the Great Depression, 1970s energy crisis, 2008 financial crisis, price of gasoline, milk, and other agricultural produce, gold, silver, and other precious commodities).

Section 4

(Insert valid proof here that helps this site to report true price so that users can make informed decisions.)

This summary covers the comments from the past 75 suggestions.

Merry's addendum.

OP is greedy

last suggestion had x amount of votes

Scrap.tf is not representative of the market.

Outpost is not representative of the market.

I can't make a suggestion for Infinite refined!

The admins are manipulating prices to their own benefit

Can this list be considered spam yet? It adds nothing to any discussion (yet fills up the page well enough) and the humor of it wore out long ago.

1. not a joke.

2. not spam. still true of the opinion.

" we need to follow out leader..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rooPPLtK9pg

Ok we all read it, didn't find it slightly entertaining or funny in any circumstance. Can you stop posting this craplist now and stop embarrassing yourself?

you know what

on the 4.22 to 4.33 one, it had 36 likes.

some guy says it's "spam"

and bam, dislikes abound.

whats wrong with scrap.tf?

Downs alert.

HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9562251 - no response or autobump, pack is private, can not verify

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9439908 - cant verify that he sold as many as he says

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8747174 - says he sold 119 at 4.33 starting one month ago when price was a bit lower so...don't know if it is true.

Also, would like to see seller transactions, buyer postings are easy. If you post that you will buy keys at 10 ref people will line up so....don't see that as proof.

since i made this statement, proofs were changed it seems.

http://puu.sh/2oxid

so............

so.......................

The posts and transactions must be the evidence. It is for every other item.

I would disregard all buying post proofs at this point. Anyone could post and buy at say 4.55 and get a lot of adds. That's not hard to do. So lets deal with the five remaining ones.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9439908 - posted 6 days ago which seems unlikely to sell 20 when price was set lower at that time.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9518098 - this seems legit posted 3 days ago selling at 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7075222 - post is 3 months old and recent add requests didn't seem to buy keys from him, one add request 2 weeks ago indicates he's not responding

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8747174 - not selling atm, appears to have not responded for 1 week. no verified sale

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9403587 - on first add request shown, says out of stock, no verifiable sales

Of all proof shown, i say 1 is good. There should be more. I could be wrong. Let me know.

Down-vote for now.

I now feel that I should change to a down vote because this one will likely get closed in favor of the new one.

omfg..

STOP WITH THE PRICE INFLATION!

It's crazy

i'm not even kidding

this is gonna get accepted anyway, even the last one got -122 and was accepted

one of long's one got accepted with -317

i have seriously lost hope in humanity.

Sometimes people vote for something they want rather than what they see is true.

Which is known as being biased.

Which is why community voting should be removed. Admins almost obviously don't care whether or not we had x amount of people downvote than x amount of upvotes, even if downvoting is an alarming amount. They look at the proof/go out of their way to destroy a suggestion. There really isn't any point to this anymore.

This mostly just happens on key suggestions. On other items people aren't normally biased. The voting system is just to give reward to those who vote properly, depending on whether the suggestion is true or not, instead of whether they THINK its should be the true price or not. The voting system wasn't meant for people to vote whether they think this should be the price or not, but whether the suggestion is true or not.

I haven't lost hope in humanity, just in TF2's community.

I'd love it, if just for once, a person with little to no keys in their backpack made a suggestion to raise keys. It would help remove that overarching sense of greed and self-profit that's so common in these suggestions.

I did, once. But then I got richer.

You see, that will never happen because people who don't have keys want keys, but don't want to see the price go up.

So in a way, people without keys are being greedy by not trying to report accurate prices so they can try to get keys for cheaper.

Or, you know, people who buy large amount of keys have a better understanding of what the current price of a key is. I haven't bought a key in months an as a result I don't know when keys are nearing the point when a price increase is "Necessarily" besides when I see these suggestions. However, if I were buying dozens of keys a day I would think I would know what the current price of keys were, and when they should be increased.

Edit: Silly spelling error

Before you start complaining about key prices, I suggest you read this, understand this, and post your opinion.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/641-yet-another-key-price-topic-no-flame-wars-please-discussion-only

I feel that there should be a little message you receive when you click on the key suggestions and then you click a little box saying I've read this, and then you can see the comments. Like an agreement, contract, what-have-you. I just see this one post being lost in the eventual hundreds of comments.

Sometimes, I wonder if these key sellers and the people spamming these key suggestions have a life at all. You do realize that raising the key prices even more is only going to make the site look worse in the long run, right?

Oh, wait... Speaking of long...

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18642216/long218%20simulator/lolkeys.html

Something to get a laugh from the regular TF2 community. Anyone who clicks it will enjoy the joke.

You're welcome.

offer and demand bro c:

Firstly, it's "Supply and Demand."

Secondly, that doesn't justify the reason keys are skyrocketing.

>Keeps saying backpack.tf is losing its reputation

>Still comes here everyday to say that over and over again

>Been going on for over a month

>You're proving nothing

Av confirmed to be that Poncho is his 4th wife.

>2013

>greentext

umad?

You know I hate myself for doing this... But I'm going to upvote because you didn't post a range. Maybe if we keep prices at a solid number with no room for deviation then we can stop the inflation.

All you need to do is Find the proof that you can't buy it for 4.11 ref anymore. Downvote.

Summary of the Keysuggestions.

Lowering the price:

- Persons love the suggester because he is doing a "good thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as counterproof, although it is showing the average keyprice.

- 10 links of proof are enough to accept a keysuggestion. (Mind of voters)

- Persons who want that the price drops will upvote, no matter how bad the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will close the suggestion, because the proof is bad and nearly all upvotes are based on opinion.

Raising the price:

- Persons hate the suggester because he is doing a "bad thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as proof, because it's showing the average sellingprice.

- 60 links of proof are still not enough to accept the a keysuggestion. (Mind of voters)

- Persons who don't want that the price rises will downvote, no matter how good the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will accept the suggestion, because the proof is good and nearly all downvotes are based on opinion.

Other facts:

- backpack.tf is not manipulating the prices, the buyers who want that the price drops are manipulating it.

- If you downvote because the price is "too damn high", then you are manipulating the prices.

- Upvotes on lower prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opinion of mad people.

- Downvotes on higher prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opnion of mad people.

- The market won't crash till Valve does something with keys and/or metal.

- The keyprice will continue rising because most persons are paying the prices of OP-profitwhores.

- Admins/Mods look through all comments + the proof. They wouldn't accept a price which wasn't right.

- The price can't be {x} Ref if the average price is {x} + {y} Ref. (Y = 0.01 to 0.11 Ref)

- The amount of keys in the backpack of the suggester doesn't mean anything.

- While Keys are increasing in Refprice, Ref is decreasing in USD price. The argument that the suggester is doing the suggestion for his own benefit is irrelevant. Profit = 0.

- Persons who support a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be downvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are good and true.

- Persons who are against a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be upvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are bad and false.

- Votes are supposed to be made according to the market, not personal preference.

- What does the market tell about keys? Keys are rising. ||| What do people want? Keys dropping.

- If a downvoter doesn't have any (irrelevant) arguments left, he is accusing the suggester for making profit by normal trading and/or for having X keys in his BP.

This summary covers the past 90 suggestions.

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Answer for the question: Why is Ref dropping?

Factor 1: Key-USD = Stable

Factor 2: Key-Ref = Unstable / Keys rising

Factor 3: Ref-USD = Unstable / Ref droping

If the price of Keys is stable between 1.25-1.40 USD, and the amount of Ref you need for a single Key is increasing, then the price of Ref in USD is decreasing.

The price of ref is dropping to sum everything up. If it doesn't fall we would have a big hole where everybody could make a ton of profit with RL-money.

Just remember of the price of $0.45 per Ref. 5 x 0.45 = 2.25 USD! That's why the price of Ref in USD is decreasing.

Sidenote: If one of the factors above isn't stable the keyprice in Ref would be rising or dropping.

~Volpiii

In other words:

Suggestions for lowering key price gain the love of the majority of people while suggestions for raising key prices gain the hatred of the majority of people, all while a majority of voters are biased. Most people who downvote rising key prices generally have no valid counter-argument and will slander the suggester simply because they have keys.

Downvote this comment if you want, but remember that I (and quite a few other people) am only saying this from what I (and others) have observed out of a majority of key price suggestions.

Why does the other one has more comments and more votes ^__^

the other copy my proof...

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/8671/key1v.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/1893/key2a.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/3203/key3m.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/4452/key4h.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img27/3725/key5a.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img37/4373/key6h.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/4861/key8d.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/6585/key11p.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/3169/key14.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/5111/key16.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/2480/key19.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img838/4466/key21.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img826/1135/key22b.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/8028/key24.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img705/1695/key25.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/7291/key27a.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/4925/key27b.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/8408/key29.jpg

I give up. I'm sick of inflation. I quit tf2 trading. ㅇ_ㅇ

You have no idea how many times I want to click that like button.... when I started playing they were... ~2-2.33 ref... look what it is now - ~4 refined!!!

Yeah.. Wanna know why?

Market Beta.

It's cheaper to buy it there than in the Mannco Store.

What happens? Less keys are bought in the Mannco store, thus the supply drops.

Price rises with it. Because it's rising, people think it's a good idea to invest in them.

So the demand rises too, while the supply is still lower.

The result is inevitable. Keys skyrocket..

Lowering price would be a workable solution even if you lower keys value you still need them (new stranges, ususuals etc..) Backpack.tf and Spreadsheet have all the power lower those prices will loosen the grip key hoarders have on keys and stable the economy (sounds like real life) what are people gonna do? cross there arms like little kids and say "no" i'm not gonna sell for that i'd really like to see that.

Saying supply is low is a load of shit, there are more keys now than there were when market beta hit, also the same with the Halloween update. There is more supply and less demand, but key hoarders are too cheap to let them drop, so they inflate the price beyond comprehension, all so they can sit on their greedy asses and watch their backpack go up every 8 hours.

''hi im a average outpost user, I sell keys for 4.44 which is more then BP.tf's prices.''

*People see it sells for that price*

*They sell it for that price*

*People are forced to buy it at that price*

*BP.tf shows it as the current price and everyone starts selling it for more then what BP.tf says and it rises again*

Rinse and repeat.

Congrats, that's a universal fact that you've just discovered :)

Yet, they are still inflating the price on bp.tf saying "I'm reflecting the current market price"

Bravo. How much of that is actual supply though? Just because there are more does not mean that they are all for sale for metal. If they were, THEN the supply has increased. As it is, demand is increasing, and supply is growing, steady, or shrinking. According to you, it's growing; if it grows as fast as demand, constant prices. If it is faster, prices drop. If slower, gasp the price increases. What do you see when looking at key prices? Even if you go with your claim of more supply, there is still a valid reason for prices to increase.

are we supposed to care

if you give me free hats I will kill myself

*gives unique painted gibus (brown)

wow you showed 4 years old screenshots

now?

2 and a half years old, actually. xD

4.22 flat? no range? so nobody is making any profit on buying/selling keys? Interesting

hahaha good point!

You know people that voting in keys dosn't matter. Most of the key prices that get accepted are in negative like -317. Just look at the scores! They don't even need us to vote

Mainly because votes in key suggestions are incredibly biased. If they accepted or rejected price changes solely on votes, it would be far too easy to manipulate prices, especially on key suggestions.

key prices can go suck their own dicks

I am in favor of this suggestion why? No range. I'd rather 4.22 than 4.11-4.22

I WANT KEYS TO BE 5 REF CMON PEOPLE WE CAN DO IT

Your argument is very unconvincing considering that you have 75 keys. :(

Can you explain why keys are rising but buds, bills, max and unusuals aren't?

no one wants refined

buds, bills, max, unusual don't sell for refined (mostly)

Refined is a currency though.

no one wants refined

would you rather have 100 refined or 24 keys?

Refined is a currency, it is the base.

You can't just raise the price of pennies and expect dollars to stay the same value.

I think we shouldn't be able to suggest new prices for a week after a suggestion got accepted..

Upboated for me

Still, isn't it required proof that no 4.11 sales happen anymore?

I wouldn't worry too much about key pricing inflating. Some metal is actually used for crafting, but usually its hoarded. But a negative possibility for the key is reaching a point where no one can afford keys with in game items anymore there will be a point where people will flat out say "no I will not pay more than this," now just throwing opinion in here but I know I get a bit edgy after a long time of no trading, prices would then potentially drop. Anyways just throwing my 2 cents and a potential effect in, the price drop would be very slow.

There's still people willing to sell them for 4.11

http://puu.sh/2osUu

So, not yet.

You bought 2 keys. There are some selling at 4 ref too, but they get instantly taken, and there are people succesfully selling at 4.33+. But their number is insignificant compared to the market, which is why they aren't included in the range

How come (really wondering) if someone sells, say strange bacon grease lower (1 or 2 people) this calls for a price change?

39 strange bacon grease exists. And about 500,000 keys. 2/39 is is about 5%, and 2/500,000 is about 0.0004%. 2 bacon grease out of 39 represents much more of the market. Whereas two keys out of 500,000 is completely insignificant. You'd need to get about 25,000 at this price to represent 5% of the market. That's nearly impossilbe on a suggestion. So for a key even 1% of the market would probably be enough (about 5,000) but that's why tf2finance is used so much for key suggestions, as it tracks a much larger amount of key trades then humanly possible

That was on the 24th, now it's the 26th.

Guys, complaining or even raising perfectly valid and reasonable points won't do anything. Just look at the "Alternate/Past suggestions" on the top of the page. All of them have negative scores (one with -317) and guess what? ALL of them were accepted by backpack.tf's admins!

Notice all the downvotes and comments are opinion based and there is a surprising lack of counterproof? There are absolutely 0 links posted here as counterproof.

I could spend an hour looking on OP for counter proof, but I've done that before (shown people selling BELOW 4 ref) and it was ignored so it's a waste of time to even bother, sadly.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9257504 - buying - 4.05 added 4 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9453294 buying @ 3.66-4 lots of added recently'

4.11 (added) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9460735

now watch as this gets ignored or downvoted

your proofs not accounts nothing

Wow, a flat range and more than 30 links of proof.

Well done, but your rep is gonna suffer from this :/

Anyways got mah upvote. :D

Why man, why?...

Oh noes.... .Don't write a song about this D:

Would still be a better love story then twilight

(Long and his keys, the movie)

Rising keys again? The market is gonna crash soon and i'm just gonna sit back and watch it happen.

After doing a short search through Outpost, I decided I need to change my down vote into an upvote. If anything, this suggestion is too low, as I saw a few people selling for 4.33 or 4.44 or even 4.55 and getting interest from at least one person. I don't like the rising price, but this suggestion is valid.

Key prices should be just like bill's, a fixed price, 3 ref. -_- fucking tf2outpost highballers making keys rise. cuz this is no fair price. if everyone (for no reason) started to sell keys for 10 ref, people would have no choise but to buy at this price, that is why outpost is faulty, they always will try to rise key prices. always.

#Fightthekeyprices

This will kill trading guys, just stop

Everyone has the right to sell for whatever they want. I barely ever see a trader that doesn't highball. If people started selling keys for 10 ref, people would still buy it. Thats the problem! If you have a 2 buds unusual, and tried to sell for 5 buds, would people buy it? No. Which is why unusual prices don't usually change for a long time. But the problem is, the buyers are willing to pay whatever the seller wants for their key. This isn't going to stop, until the price reaches a point where no one is willing to pay it, forcing people to lower their price. Don't blame sellers. It's their item, their price. Blame buyers who are willing to pay the price highballers want.

I blame both, because most buyers are planning to sell anyways ;)

touché... I blame them when they are buying, not when selling, If you buy something, when selling, naturally you'd wanna make a profit. But I dont blame the buyers that aren't planning on reselling. You need keys for practically everything :(

#Fightthekeyprices

This not are twitter LOL

the average key buyer/seller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coq_grSFlNs

they are da sheep, and this site is da shepard

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pysET6UvN60[/url]

I think this video shows a better sheep-based metaphor. I just don't know it yet.

It's just pure greed,people are always trying to get that extra scrap like it will make them rich.I honestly don't care anymore,i'm just trading my shit for games...

All buying for 4 ref or less.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8027347

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9175337

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9545680

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9056521

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8990691

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8860794

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9428423

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9262769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9410938

no proof of sales

Buying =/= Sold.

≠ :D

ok.. so if I put a trade buying for 3 ref... does that mean price has to be 3 ref ?

So if I put up a trade buying @ 5.33 is that the new price? no but its proof...

Owns: 75

._.

Go see how many long has and see how many suggestions he has had pass.

* whispers

1095

yeah pal.

A tiny little raise of like

$2 matters

money is money,

profit is profit

greed is greed

excuses are excuses

This would be literally the worst way to make profit.

I have 163 keys but i dont want that they raise D:

Keys are going up and my steam backpack is going down. :(

I will vote positive because my vote doesnt matter anymore.

Am I right yet, and when can I commence calling you guys shitlords.

Once you provide counter proof for these suggestions.

Counter proof?

I'm agreeing with this guy and his price raise.

So get rekt

I'm, sory I thought you were trying to say that the people making these posts are shitlords witch sounds like an insult the "2.66 is right price group" would use.

Guys, stop buying keys, make the demand for it low then it will be cheap again!

most people have stopped buying keys, now its just rich people and unboxers (MAINLY) but above all others resellers

Oh boy more key price raising like that will help right guys?

Question.

Why is it that if people successfully sell at a higher price, the price must be raised to that, but if people successfully sell at a lower price, it never gets lowered?

...

Logic.

Because the items bought at a lower price will then be resold at a higher price.

This is trader logic.

Never gets lowered? I'm sorry, but last time I checked every single accepted price change is not an increase. There are plenty of items that get lowered in value. You should be informed before you post inaccurate comments such as this one.

Except I was specifically referring to Keys. Which is why I posted on a key suggestion. Maybe you should think a little bit more instead of being so quick to discredit me.

The point I was making is that keys won't ever go down in value, because no one considers quicksells to be creditable prices, but everyone loves to go with highballers who get lucky.

Do you not see that all those links are buyers? What do people do once they buy these keys for low amounts? Sit on them and feel good that they bought for lower, or do they go and resell it for more. You can't find enough people selling keys for lower that ever last more than 5 minutes. Most if not all are selling less than 5 keys and a couple sales at that amount do not measure up to the cast amount that occur for higher. backpack.tf intends to record the average current selling price when it comes to keys and not the occasional one seller that has one key that they'd like to sell for 4 refined or less.

I didn't say that people aren't buying for the high range of this price suggestion.

Again, try to read more and argue less.

I said that key prices will never go down because no one who sells keys for a lowprice gets credited. Only those who sell at high prices get credited for their prices.

THIS NEED STAPH! I WANT KEY AS 2,55 BACK =(

man I'd be happy at 3 ref

mfw key suggestion comments

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I posted a key for 4.22 once ...

5 Adds in less than a minute .

Also sold around 8 keys for 4.33 each with not much hassle as well .

Price is updating a bit slowly here but I hate key inflation anyway.

I sell out at 4.33 really quickly

If buying and selling is possible at 4.33 as well, it's better to range 4.22-4.33 instead of 4.22 flat.

So tired of seeing key rise and rise because of these stupid quick-buying and profit-selling. Price shouldn't have been affected at the very start. Why do you people want to mess up the key price? It makes all items in the whole game bounce. Some traders resist to price their items according to key price changes and now I can't even normally buy a hat. Absolute downvote. On every increase.

...a craft hat has been 1.33 refined for years...nothing has changed that.

I used to think that people would get smarter about buying keys constantly, no matter the price, as they would realize that it only makes the price increase more and more. Apparently, I was wrong. This is not a flaw in proofs, I've seen plenty of keys go for even higher prices. Its a flaw in the buyers, for paying any price for a key, no matter how unreasonable, and the sellers, who manipulate the buyers by constantly jacking up the prices. Ironically, its because of this site that buyers are enabled to charge such high prices, because the increasing prices are constantly set at a higher "market value". In a perfect world, people would use this site as a suggestion on prices, rather than gospel (which so many people do), but until that day comes, prices will keep inflating, and this shit will only get worse.

Actually, by my calculations, if key prices in Refined reaches 4.44, and the USD prices for Refined and Keys stay the same, people will be able to sit in their rooms with bots that automate trading, and they'll sell the Keys for Refined, sell the Refined for USD, use the USD to buy Keys, and they'll have about $.12 leftover, then repeat the process until they've racked up thousands of dollars.

tf2finance= 4.20, downvote

tf2finance= 4.17

Wow yeah, it's really falling off for some reason.

http://tf2finance.com/keys/ ---> 4.16

4.15

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

Not sure if keys rised too much in the past days, or dropped too much today.. Fluctate too much. :/ Atm the current range looks fine.

According to the volume of keys, not too many keys being sold these days. So if im right less succesfull trades could influence much more the price higher/lower. -->The demand is damn low since 4 ref, (mostly desperated/panic buyers) but no one want to sell them for less. (And almost all the sellers are resellers.) I wouldn't be surprised if the "lower priced" keys would be bought by the other sellers..

As soon as this passes there will be a suggestion for 4.33

There is a good chance this won't pass tho. Tf2Finance is showing 4.16, meaning, current price is right and about 50% of the trades are happening below 4.22

no! i want back the keys who its for 2.55

Wanna buy some from the Mann Co. Store, make an alt account and then trade with yourself to make it feel like you're buying for 2.55 refined? That's the only like way that's gonna happen.

Awww, this overtook my spot as #2 on the highest activity list for previous key suggestions. Goof thing this probably won't break my record of a final score of -357.

Stop suggesting Price Increases for those damn. The more you increase prices, the more they think they can push us around with their daily increases. Keys used to sell fairly for 2.66 not too long ago. what happened to the prices, why does the metal price increase without the shop price doing so as well? There are still shittons of Keys out there in the tf2universe, it's not like nobody buys them anymore. Just stick to a price for at least a month. meanwhile keys go up by a scrap each week. some day we pay 10 ref for 1 key

Has 75 keys ... this is pure greed and just trying to push the price up to increase backpack value.

Downvote

Metal goes down as keys go up -.-

No, greed goes up when amount of items in backpack goes up ... easy logic.

Basically if this crap keeps up then this website has lost all credibility IMO, it's an endless cycle of "price gets accepted on Backpack.tf. People sell for that on Outpost, eventually try going a little higher then when they get lucky and someone buys it they then report it back here as proof" ... It's madness.

If prices keep going higher, the TF2 economy will go bye. Whenever I go to servers nowadays, people are upset about the key prices, and now sell them for 10 ref >.<

People please stop spaming this i mean its only been like 2 days and ALREADY you have to change the FUCKING price. Downvote.

^ And this is the reason why votes don't matter anymore

Everyone should just upvote this, anyways.

It's going to get passed no matter how much downvotes there are.

That's just how backpack.tf works. Might as well get the free rep.

HA!. TF2FINANCE WONT SAVE U NOW!

Straight from tf2finance:

Warning!

THIS PAGE IS STILL IN PUBLIC BETA. DATA DERIVED FROM EARBUDS TRACKING SYSTEM.

Please use this page for daily average or long-term trends only

Let's see how long this decrease lasts. Its amazes me how people discredit tf2finance until it records a lower price and then its the most accurate thing in the world.

You do own 75 keys though

a lot of you goons link to tf2 finance as if its some kind of authority, take note: the aggregate data it uses also includes items in backpacks of inactive players. stop quoting inaccurate sources, kthxbai

I'm not selling or buying a god damn key for more than 4 ref, don't care what you people say.

I think keys need to stay at 4.11

Even though people are selling them for 4.22 and 4.33, I managed to buy a key myself for 4.05, there are still people that are selling for a somewhat reasonable price

Tf2finace has been fluctuating +- 4.22 recently but with a recent drop.

Either way, becuase of the fluctuation I would rather wait another day and/or have a short range to cover buying + selling.

Also, the other suggestion has alot of proof for 4.33 to even 4.44.

Id just rather wait a day and pick between the current range and the 4.11-4.33 range