Suggestion: Earbuds at 26–27 keys

Price Suggestion

Earbuds

Submitted Thu, 28 Mar 13 16:11:13 +0000 by ★ That Guy

59.63%

27 keys

26–27 keys

113

~8.23 keys

777 votes up

526 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Sat, 30 Mar 13 17:05:04 +0000 by Puddilicious.

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http://tf2finance.com/ - Currently at 26.73 keys - Edit: Now it's at 26.68 - Edit again: 26.64 http://i.imgur.com/ut6B2aR.png?1

Edit: Proof:

Buying for 26 keys each:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9565365 - No comments, but has new buds in his inventory at time of posting

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8469645 - Has new buds in inventory at time of posting

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9604536 - Had willing seller 17 hours ago at time of posting

Miscellaneous:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9427530 - Buying for 26 keys + 2 refined each. New buds in inventory at time of posting.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9631736 - Selling for 26 keys + 2 refined - Edit: Sold

I'll add more later.

Your proof isn't concrete. Just assumptions being made. The fact that your own trade has not had any interest for 26 and has been up for 3 weeks is a telling tale.

You should find some solid proof of people buying at 26 pure. Sorry, but it is a down its for me.

My trade has only been untouched for 4 days. I bought 2 buds from the same person 4 days ago: http://i.imgur.com/Dgkgytl.png?1

I was talking about your buying trade that's been open for 3 weeks and has 3 posts on it. And why wouldn't you include that proof? That's the first solid proof of this whole suggestion.

This one: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9033058

I know what you were talking about. You made the assumption that everyone completely ignored my trade for those 3 weeks. I proved you wrong, simple as that.

Not everyone posts on outpost before adding the person. Just because a trade has no offers/posts on it doesn't mean it has been inactive.

I didn't include that originally because it is 4 days old.

Congratulations, you've provided proof, actual proof. Now do that so this suggestion gets accepted. You buying 2 buds at 26 keys doesn't warrant the new range alone.

For days old is fine by the way (my own opinion).

You're also implying that making assumptions are bad. But that is what you are practically basing this suggtion off of.

I'm not implying that making assumptions is bad. I'm implying that assumptions that have been proved wrong are not valid.

I'd say its safe to say that assumptions that haven't been proven true aren't great either. The best thing to shut me up, and possibly change my vote is find more proof to back up your suggestion.

Right now there is about 3 times as much counter proof to your proof (★Pub★VoxDei has posted 16 links to your posted 5, some of which shouldn't be counted).

using finance I see. We have long218 jr everyone.

No, if he were like Long, everyone would be upvoting without questioning it.

actually everyone hates on long218. his comments automatically gets -9 everytime lol

And he votes your comment down is you so much as question his suggestions.

Lol yeah thats so true

lol His comments may get lots of dislikes, but his suggestions (except key suggestions) usually get upvoted without much scrutiny.

because he has a blue star

Because he's a carded key buying moron. He should really be banned from here, alts and all.

CHA-CHING

thats not true...but i wonder who disliked all our comments xD

Plus, this guy is trying to lower the price of an item even though he owns it... and long was always trying to raise the value of his 500 keys.

It you aren't going to contribute to a suggestion, don't comment. This benefits the suggest in no way, at all.

Using finance is completely okay as long as it is paired with proof of trades (with this suggester hasn't done a great job at).

It was a joke calm down. c: lol

i would like to point out scrap.tf buys for 26 keys and 2 ref and has several in stock, indicating they bough several for that price.

*quicksellers*

lets say for the sake of argument that everything scrap.tf buys is a quicksell. then the price scrap.tf buys at is below the actual value of the item, being a quicksell. this would suggest that 26 keys pure is not in the actual range and would point to 27 flat being the price. this would suggest that this suguestion is flat wrong.

if a bot scrap.tf or whatever buys at a value higher than the suggested range the the suggestion is 100% wrong. as in a craft hat will never drop below 1.33 bc scrap.tf buys at 1.33. so scrap.tf paying 26 keys 2 ref then the price will not drop below 26 keys 2 ref unless the seller doesnt know the existence of scrap.tf and as such should not be taken as an indicator of price as they just cant trade. if i buy a craft hat for 1.11 that doesnt mean craft hats r worth 1.11 even if i buy 100, it just means that i found 100 suckers that sold me a hat that i made an instant 2 scrap on.

Yes, but it doesn't matter if scrap.tf is out of keys. I've been checking scrap.tf all day yesterday, and they've had less than 26 keys all day.

yeah i agree.^^^

buying quicksells should not affect the economy it just means you found someone too lazy or a "sucker" who sold you a lot lower. and hatch is also right scrap.tf doesnt have keys all the time.

It's also disturbing to see scrap.tf get into suggestions.if scrap.tf just bought 3 bp expanders for 2 keys each.sure someone was desperate enough and needed keys.doesnt make it bp expanders 2 keys.

I think it might be nice to let the price settle down a bit, rather than taking actions that might continually effect the price. This update, I think is too soon. To me it would make more sense to let it bottom out, and then try describing the price from there. Is this suggestion too high? Too low? It's hard to tell, we need to see what the price stabalizes at.

DIS-AGREE, People says they are going to buy for 26 keys but people are selling it for 27-28 keys, and you should know that

26.83 at the time.

buds back up to 26.8

you have 5 links for a currency that is traded very often

tf2finance averages! it doesnt make the price

and you have no proof of them buying buds do you have screenshots of the buds being new? people buying for 26 keys does not make it 26 keys.

if someone is buying for 26 key+2 ref why should it be 26 keys.

buds at 26.35 on tf2 finance at the time of posting. these "Quick buyers" seem to have alot of willing sellers I guess. But even with your lack of links on tf2op and other trading sites I personally think finance should be the only site that dictates keys and other promo pricing.

jajajaja http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9033058

Nice profit for u jajajaja

That trade has been up for 3 weeks.

Also, you failed to mention this trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9526167

Having a lower buds price wouldn't be beneficial for me, because I need to sell the buds I already have.

You know, maybe we should get a ton of undeniable proof of 26-28 and leave it there for a while? :P

That seems like a good idea to me.

Hi ninjaa :3

Ohai Persian and ninjaa

:O Hi luve :D

Last suggestion was 22 hours ago and finance is 1 ref under 27? I would disagree.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9297242 - Was offered 27

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9568341 - Added 7 hours ago for 27

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9526508 - Added for above current range

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9568763 - BMd for 27 by a user

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9480959 - 56 for both and added (trade didnt go through I reckon)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9629487 - 26 rejected

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9591892 - 26 Rejected

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9581606 - Added for 27 + craft hat

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9620938 - Added for 27

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9336715 - Added for 28!

buyers-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9627792 - Only 5 hours, but no sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8092501 - No sales @ 26

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9405951 - Offered for 26 + 2 Ref (still not 26)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9317179 - Buying at 27!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9226189 - No adds@26

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9592530 - Was buying at 27

Anyway, I'm bored, someone else pick up where I left off.

Hm. Perhaps 26.5-27 keys would be a better price.

Having a price in .5 keys has not been accepted for Buds.

Huh, you're right. Well, there's a first time for everything.

no 0.5 range in buds been accepted ever , its either 1 key range or flat amount of keys . now 26 isn't easy , so give it 2 days and re-try later .

I have more proof than OP after I searched for 10 minutes. How is this still open?

Non-troll earbuds/key suggestions are usually left up for a couple days. i'm also getting positive votes.

[url]http://i.imgur.com/cYZxa6P.jpg?1[/url]

In case you haven't noticed, mods are starting to favor tf2 finance over just outpost evidence (for buds and keys). Finance supposedly tallies multiple sites. As of right now buds are at 26.5. The range seems appropriate.

It's actually at 26.75 right now. And what's the point of a suggestion then? Why not just link prices directly to finance?

The mods do/should pay attention to counterproof. The 26 is premature imo.

"I'll add more later" doesn't cut it. The evidence is just way to slim, and way too few subjects. Gather a lot more evidence next time.

really not much proof. but there are shit ton of people selling at 27. so you always will have quick buyers and sellers at a key lower.

I personally think that we should keep earbuds at a steady price as they are used as currency and changing the value of them will cause people to loss or gain money depending on how much buds they paid for something... long story short we should keep it at a stable price

> We should

Stop right there. we "should" do nothing. Backpack.tf reports market prices, whatever they are. Anything else would be manipulation.

I understand what you mean we "should"

maybe i phrased it wrong...

what im trying to say is that its a currency which we use regularly to buy/sell

I think it should be controlled it should be set at a steady price and never change

and all of those duped buds should be taken away from..

It should be steady...

Well, should keys also be treated the same? Never changing? The reason Buds fluctuate is the same reason keys fluctuate: They are 'constant' in the sense that there is a finite amount of them, (keys are created and destroyed, Buds are relatively stable) but fluctuate relative to each other; Keys relative to Refined, and Buds relative to Keys. Bill's also fluctuate relative to Buds if you consider it.

we "should" stop accepting price suggestions with a -216 vote differential too. but oh well.

Votes count for bupkiss. Want proof? Click on my profile, scan through the suggestions I've done. Anything that lowers the price gets lots more upvotes, regardless of proof or lack thereof. The reason they exist is to make people feel like they have a say, and to give the admins the ability to see what the general consensus is.

This is the exact style comment I left on the first key suggestion to change the price from 2.55. Five months ago. They won't listen.

Proof not concrete, also you look like trying get profit. downvote

What?

so hes getting profit by making his items less valuable?

You're talking about one of the most important items that affect TF2 finance and you're going to provide a big whopping 5 links? Give me a break. That's like saying the Fed is going to raise interest rates because 10 banks out of 100,000 in the US are charging .25% higher interest. And you're an orange belt, come on.

I don't think your argument is sound. As your comparison doubles my links (5 links, 10 banks), that would mean there were a total of 50,000 links (100,000 banks) to choose from. That is simply not the case.

Buds are at 26.58 according to finance.

They are dropping. Perhaps this suggestion should stay up one more day.

Now it's 26.73. :P

26.51 now.

As I said, they are dropping.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just stating what it was when I saw your comment. It's back up to 26.63 but definitely on a downwards trend.

WTF is this TF2 Finance? Another price manipulating page with few stupids trying to dictate prices?

Maybe you should actually find out what it is before you go around sounding like an idiot?

I got a good laugh out of that.

need way more proof for changing the earbud price

Just bought buds for 26 keys: http://i.imgur.com/1OEXmgw.png?1

Given the way buds naturally hover around there, I don't think this is a far crying claim.

Upvoted.

just sold my buds for 26 keys + 4.33 ref after 1 bump

1. Wish I had your luck...

2. Inventory history screenies?

meh steam just went down. dont really want to wait for it to post it.

Just sold a pair for 27 after my post being up for 4 hours http://puu.sh/2pOkl

Man, I feel more unlucky by the minute.

cuz your range is wrong.

No, because I'm also trying to sell buds for 27 keys. Haven't gotten an add for it recently.

They always look for 26 keys.

Like this guy:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9523530

Coming from the guy who made a range of 1-1.08 keys. :P

Scrap.tf still buying at 26 + 2 refined. (26.5 keys.)

Oh and I just sold mine for 28 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9623635

So much for your crappy proof that they aren't selling for more than 27.

Trade: "27.5 keys for my clean non duped earbuds."

Offer: "28keys for the buds"

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that was an outlier.

Hey I'm amazed he took them too, but 28 keys is 28 keys.

Buying for 26 Keys each is not a legit prove...most of these guys will resell them for 28 keys again. 27 keys is a fine price.

They'll resell them for 28 keys? Heck, i'm selling buds for 27 keys. You should buy them from me so you can resell them for 28 keys. It's a good deal.

You are mostly the 1 nice percent out of 5000 people who sell them for 28 -.-

The more you lower the price, the less people are gonna pay

People will always try to get things for a bit cheaper than standard price, its human nature

http://tf2finance.com/ is 26.6 as of now - http://i.imgur.com/2QB9600.png?1

I don't really see why anyone would sell for 26 keys when you can got to scrap.tf and get 26.46 keys

weak proof. downvote

Resubmit this as 26.5-27 the current finance is above 26.5, and also scrap.tf buys them for 26.5 so only an idiot would sell for less.

No .5 buds price has ever been suggested. Just saying.

there have been many. they have just never been accepted. look for yourself: http://backpack.tf/vote/143/6/0

... That is exactly what I said... -_-

No it is not you said that no .5 buds has even been suggested, but I corrected you and said that they have been suggested, they just have not been accepted.

I see it now. Whoopdie do...

Let's say this: finance.tf sucks and don't bring it as a proof

I see you've visited the website before and sees what it does. I say that because finance.tf does not exist. The site is tf2finance.com. If you actually knew the site then you'd know that fact therefore I find your discrediting of it rather insignificant.

omg, oh no I wrote site's name wrong nooooooooooooo

Not only did you write the site's name wrong, but you provided no reason as to why people should agree that tf2finance.com is bad. Frankly I doubt that you know anything about the site based on those two points.

Lowering the price to 26-27 will make people start buying them for 25 keys, then backpack.tf will lower the price to 25-26 keys, and the cycle will continue.

I sold mine

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9664527 (within 10 minutes both were gone)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9624450 (also half of these were gone within a few hours)

Strange sometimes they sell quick sometimes they dont idk about the price really

27 keys sounds like a good price to fix it at. i was just amazed how 27-28 was approved previously based on terrible proof but the best you can do here is probably 26.5-27 since you can't really show any 26 key sales yet.

Combo breaker being the 100th comment!

Just bought another pair for 26 keys: http://i.imgur.com/2iR8oZx.png?1

So now my comments are going to be disliked for no good reason? What is this, a key suggestion?

http://tf2finance.com/ is at 26.43 as of now: http://i.imgur.com/vkESWcZ.png?1

Christ, it's the same shit with keys. If you leave the suggestion open for 3 freaking days, of course it's gonna become the price. No offense Hatch, but you don't deserve the points this will give you when accepted just because you, as you said originally, "wanted to reserve the spot for this price."

Brb, suggesting 26 keys flat with no proof, claiming I'll add it later, add 5 links vs. 15 of counterproof and wait for the price to drop and collect my free rep.

why cant people leave the prices alone. keys at 2.33, bills at 8 keys, buds at 27 keys. seems like almost everyone wants to buy cheap and sell higher than its worth just for their own personal gain...

"but has new buds in his inventory at time of posting" doesn't make it they bought from that person, they could of happen to buy them from someone else. and someone else bought that person buds. if theres no comments, it could also mean that they talked in trade/steam chat before trading and agreed on a different price. if its your trades. i wouldn't take it serious

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9693327 < Selling for 26.5