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How...did..the...suggestion...pass??? Proof includes 7 sold for 2.25-2.5 keys in the last 24 hours by 5 DIFFERENT people!!! Come on, people! Don't just upvote cause someone has a blue ribbon! Please look at the counter proof. Most of the proof below is COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE SUGGESTION THAT PASSED! When someone's proof is based on unsold links, check to make sure that they are actually unsold! Half of the links in the proof provided on that suggestion are actually sold!
Sold for 3 keys:
http://i.imgur.com/MViyvJ7.png - okay, 4 days ago - thanks to SteveFox for the png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9289837 - unsure when it was sold, but the trade is active
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9594700 - sold for 2.75 keys, 3 days ago - thanks to mustafa for the link
Sold for 2.25-2.5 keys:
http://i.imgur.com/nS3TKSj.png - sold for 2.5 keys TODAY
http://i.imgur.com/sa8qpYi.png - sold for 2.33 keys in items YESTERDAY (although I actually converted them to 10 ref) - i took less cause i had two at the time
http://i.imgur.com/iOU2oSF.png - bought for 2 keys and sold for 2.5 keys within an hour TODAY
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9620579 - sold for 2.5 keys TODAY
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9572104 - sold for 2.5 keys TODAY
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9563352 - sold for 2.5 keys TODAY
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9630913 - sold for 2.25 keys TODAY
Unsold at 2.25-2.5 keys.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9542695 - unsold but not frequently bumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9547304 - unsold, has an offer of 2.1 keys TODAY
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9439247 - unsold but unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9453052 - unsold but has an offer of 10 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9430443 - unsold, has an offer of 2 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9186743 - unsold, has an offer of 2.1 keys TODAY
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9098725 - unsold, unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9623709 - unsold, not frequently bumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9560300 - unsold, autobump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9461449 - unsold, autobump - changed price to 2 keys today
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9571162 - unsold, autobump at 2.25 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9503295 - unsold, unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9069870 - wants 3 keys, been offered 2.5 keys
Steam Market: most are selling for $4-$4.60
Selling for 2 keys is ridiculously easy and should be low end. PLENTY are selling for 2-2.5 keys. For every quickbuyer that's successful at 1.5-1.75, there is a successful seller at 2.75-3 keys. Range should be 2-2.5.
Upvote. Thoush I don't appreciate being called "Common people" ;)
Come on, people. Not common people. Typo. Sorry for the confusion.
Eh-hem, its a blue star, not a blue ribbon thank you very much.
Aww. Did I hurt your feelings, fellow bear? It must be cause I'm blind.
How can I stay at someone who can pun on his name? :D
btw, counting all the evidence together on this thread, that's 3 sold/offers of 3 keys, 3 sold at 2.75, 11 sold/offers at 2.5, and a bunch at 2.25, all in the last week and most in the last 3 days. There's no way this doesn't pass, right? That, to me, would be insane.
mods gon' be mods. I only down vote the crappy suggestions. Never really take the time to analyze the ones that have the potential to be right.
Upvote, didn't know why the other was accepted. Clearly, this is more fitting. :)
Besides, great proof no less. :D
Ugh, biased against me. :(
How is it biased against you? This is a proof based world, I would like to see something backing up that claim.
That my proof isn't taken into consideration is one thing. In fact, my wall of proof was disliked.
Its the fact that unrational people exist in this world and need to be factored in. Yes they may be easy to find at 2 keys, but unrational people who don't research are willing to pay 2.5 keys still. I've had several suggestions accepted where there are sellers at one price but many offers higher, so I have seen that these people exist more than is shown on here.
Look man. There's no bias. In fact, you should KNOW what the prices of these are since you are selling them yourself. Selling for all items is slower during the week. I didn't sell a single medigun during the week. But the weekend offers a much higher volume of trading, and I've sold 3 in the last 24 hours. If people checked your wall of proof on your last suggestion they would have realized that 50% of your unsolds were sold at the time the suggestion was accepted. And your "counterproof" simply includes sales that are going on at the range I am suggesting... All are young (the two that are a week old were at 2.5 keys until yesterday)
Well, you did specifically mention "don't just upvote cause someone has a blue ribbon". Sorry if I assumed too much though.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you at all. You have provided an awesome service on this website and have worked really hard. You are really an amazing contributor. My comment was more directed at the people who voted without looking at your proof. There is way too much of that going on. I had a 90% positive vote on one of my suggestions even though I suggested on the wrong hat!!! Half of your unsolds were sold when your suggestion passed, including your "unsolds at 2.5".
Problem is, I feel this way even more now because my wall of proof is disliked even though it was only proof.
I totally agree with you. Proof should never be disliked. You are simply trying to give people a complete representation of the market. But I'm not seeing any dislikes on your wall of proof.
You don't see a score of -8 and it being hidden?
It was 0 at the time that I made that comment
5 dislikes. lol
I bet the 5th dislike was just to make it hidden. It's fun to make it hidden, even if you don't actually dislike it. :P
Haha up to 10 dislikes now. gg random backpack.tf users.
people seems to trust hugh jazz but i trust proof. hope i dont have to check it myself. upvote
edit: checked myself and still upvoting cause there are sellers at 2 keys but also willing buyers at 2,5+
Some laziness right there. You should be checking the proof yourself.
most of the sold sellers dont have them in their backpacks and i still believe it s possible to sell for 2,5 keys. there are multiple offers over 2 keys and all the unsuccesfull sellers are unlucky. any other problems? actually idk how he check if trades are bumped frequently or not but if there are still 5+ sold at 2,5+ and other 10+ offers of 2+ i ll have to disagree with your price hugh.. trading is only about luck
Mah counterproof:
Unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9461449 (2 keys, 1 week)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9307742 (2 keys, 1 week)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9617188 (2 keys, 3 days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9729915 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9731848 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9706822 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9728702 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9730422 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9705960 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9726321 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9721111 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9728238 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9675598 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9683934 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9711997 (2 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9503295 (2.25 keys, 1 week)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9571162 (2.25 keys, 6 days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9690240 (2.25 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9691219 (2 keys 1.33 ref)
Yes some are young, but this doesn't change the fact that they are extremely easy to find at 2 keys.
2 keys is still in the range, but here, he has managed to show some sold ones at 2.5 keys. :)
Your link 1 reduced his price from 2.5 to 2 yesterday. Hasn't been trying at 2 for that long (you used him as your unsold at 2.5 yesterday and I have him myself in my proof above).
Your link 2 has sold many at 2.5 and reduced it recently.
Your link 11 has sold multiple at 2 keys. - not really an unsold
And yes, all the other ones are very new.
You can't deny the proof I gave above of 7 getting sold by 5 different sellers at 2.5 keys in the last 24 hours. Yes, 2 is easy and is in the current range but 2.5 is doable and I have sold 3 for that in the last day. Keep in mind, I am not suggesting 2.25 or 2.5. I am suggesting 2-2.5. And in your own suggestion almost ALL of the 2 key unsolds are sold. They go fast at 2 keys.
And here is my problem with using "unsold" trades as proof. You used the same proof in your last trade:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9677969
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9643100
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9634022
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9637181
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9589413
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9452798
And all of these got sold quickly before your suggestion even passed. The stronger evidence is one with actual sales at the higher range as well as buyers willing to pay 2 keys+ like this one:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9653361
Update on your counterproof:
Link 2: sold multiple, including at 2.5
Link 5: i tried adding him to buy stuff from him since hes cashing out but he won't respond
Link 9: sold
Link 11: sold many, has 1 left
Link 15: sold
Link 18: has sold many at 2.25 and has 5 more in bp, trade closed
Link 19: has an offer of salvaged crate for 4, which would easily be a 2.5 key offer on the medigun, maybe closer to 3.
Plus found some more selling for 2.5-3 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9616827 - willing buyer at 3 keys in the llast day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9083997 - has sold many for 2.5 keys and has one offer at that in the last 2 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9449983 - offer on a set of 4 in the last day; medigun would easily be worth 2.5 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9402158 - 2 keys + spats
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9298808 - 2.5 - sold
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9295781 - 2.5 - sold
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9282072 - 2.5 - sold
all this is barely 1 day old. and the other guy has shown that trades still happen at 2.5 keys which instantly disprove the previous suggestion.
Well, sir. I bought for 2 keys from your link 5 and sold it again for 2.5 keys this morning. That's now 4 I have sold for that in the last 2 days.
http://i.imgur.com/RnFf6wV.png
Upvote, actually you're right.
Upvoted, Harder to sell at 2.5, but it can be done.
I've sold 4 for that in the last 2 days man. I'm not sure if it's even hard. I bought from 2 of his sellers at 2 keys and sold THOSE for 2.5 keys all while this suggestion has still been up:
http://i.imgur.com/nS3TKSj.png
http://i.imgur.com/RnFf6wV.png
http://i.imgur.com/iOU2oSF.png
http://i.imgur.com/sa8qpYi.png
Nice proof! Definetly upvote for that!
Nice who wants medi-gun trade me :D
Besides aren't 2011 Festives' Prices rise ? Festive Naughty Crates for 2011 Festives stopped dropping , why haven't 2011 Festives rise yet ? :/ weird !
They did...where were you between the months of September to November last year?
November :<
I told it last time in his suggestion.. heck I even sold it for 3 pure keys. They sell easily for more than keys...
UPVOTE
Yup, saw it on the last post and used your screenshot as proof above. Thanks ;)
I sold mine for 2 keys + 3 ref (2.75 keys), as u posted. It is not even hard to sell for 3-3.5 keys on trade servers, multiple trade requests at few seconds. Rising back is good, but should be higher. Automatic upvote.
Upvoted, hopefully some of the bumped-unsold offers will be sold soon.