Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.22–4.44 ref

upvote

here we go

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inb4 shitstorm

inb4 dislikes

oh no another key suggestion

stop inflating keys

stop using tf2finance as a bible

stop using tf2op as a bible

owns: 1, obvious price manipulator

keys will be 5 ref in a week

keys will be 6 ref in a month

keys will be 20 ref when I'll be year

keys were 2.66 ref back in my times

backpack.tf is not good anymore/corrupted

admins are corrupted

mods are corrupted

my grandmother is corrupted

Don't even troll, this isn't funny anymore.

Please let me know if there are some duplicated links.

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Actually, when I see people are downvoting every comment with nice proof and very logical reasoning, or just Long's comment, I kinda lose my faith in this community.

Yes, we all want cheaper prices for everything.

Too bad, you just can't vote when you are not thinking logical and looking at the proof... So if you downvote this suggestion (or any logical reasoning, respectful comment), you really should think about still being around on this site.

It shows that you don't want put up prices that are being sold/bought for, but you want to manipulate prices. This is unacceptable and you shouldn't vote on this site.

Feel free to downvote this suggested price if you find enough counterproof.

TL;DR: Don't downvote every keysuggestion without decent counterproof. And don't downvote every Long's comment (or other's comments supporting him) without a good reason.

If you downvote those comments because they are supporting the suggested price you are acting childish.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9720467 Two of these in the 4.22 buyers.

Thanks, I removed it.

dude that trade has no posters

Why the fuck reply to me about it? I just notified him of a duplicate.

ez http://puu.sh/2rSl6

Summary of the Keysuggestions.

Lowering the price:

- Persons love the suggester because he is doing a "good thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as counterproof, although it is showing the average keyprice.

- 10 links of proof are enough to accept a keysuggestion. (Mind of voters)

- Persons who want that the price drops will upvote, no matter how bad the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will close the suggestion, because the proof is bad and nearly all upvotes are based on opinion.

Raising the price:

- Persons hate the suggester because he is doing a "bad thing" for the economy.

- TF2 finance does not count as proof, because it's showing the average sellingprice.

- 60 links of proof are still not enough to accept the a keysuggestion. (Mind of voters)

- Persons who don't want that the price rises will downvote, no matter how good the proof is.

- Admins/Mods will accept the suggestion, because the proof is good and nearly all downvotes are based on opinion.

Other facts:

- backpack.tf is not manipulating the prices, the buyers who want that the price drops are manipulating it.

- If you downvote because the price is "too damn high", then you are manipulating the prices.

- Upvotes on lower prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opinion of mad people.

- Downvotes on higher prices do not count anymore, most of them are based on the opnion of mad people.

- The market won't crash till Valve does something with keys and/or metal.

- The keyprice will continue rising because most persons are paying the prices of OP-profitwhores.

- Admins/Mods look through all comments + the proof. They wouldn't accept a price which wasn't right.

- The price can't be {x} Ref if the average price is {x} + {y} Ref. (Y = 0.01 to 0.11 Ref)

- The amount of keys in the backpack of the suggester doesn't mean anything.

- While Keys are increasing in Refprice, Ref is decreasing in USD price. The argument that the suggester is doing the suggestion for his own benefit is irrelevant. Profit = 0.

- Persons who support a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be downvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are good and true.

- Persons who are against a suggestion which is raising the keyprice will be upvoted, even if their arguments and/or lists of facts are bad and false.

- Votes are supposed to be made according to the market, not personal preference.

- What does the market tell about keys? Keys are rising. ||| What do people want? Keys dropping.

- If a downvoter doesn't have any (irrelevant) arguments left, he is accusing the suggester for making profit by normal trading and/or for having X keys in his BP.

This summary covers the past 90 suggestions.

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Answer for the question: Why is Ref dropping?

Factor 1: Key-USD = Stable

Factor 2: Key-Ref = Unstable / Keys rising

Factor 3: Ref-USD = Unstable / Ref droping

If the price of Keys is stable between 1.25-1.40 USD, and the amount of Ref you need for a single Key is increasing, then the price of Ref in USD is decreasing.

The price of ref is dropping to round everything up. If it doesn't fall we would have a big hole where everybody could make a ton of profit with RL-money.

Just remember of the price of $0.45 per Ref. 4 x 0.45 = 1.80 USD! That's why the price of Ref in USD is decreasing.

Sidenote: If one of the factors above isn't stable the keyprice in Ref would be rising or dropping.

-Volpiii

Oh look. A ton of downvotes on my comment.

Thanks, my point has been proven.

The only point proven is that everyone has heard it before and people are sick of the same messages spammed on every key suggestion. It really is not funny nor enjoyable anymore

The people are sick of guys which are smart, nothing else.

Experienced traders know why the price goes up. I'm sick of all the people who are acting like idiots because they don't want to see facts. They just want cheap stuff.

I must post this list under every keysuggestion to keep some of the kids away.

"The people are sick of guys which are smart, nothing else."

"Experienced traders know why the price goes up."

"I'm sick of all the people who are acting like idiots because they don't want to see facts."

Fact: only 250 keys being sold a day, according to tf2finance's stats.

"Experienced traders" could easily see with this low amount, the price much more sensitive than ever, a few trade can easily fluctate it. So the demand for keys lower than probably ever was, much less people willing to pay this price. Bulk trades (for e.g. with 100+ keys) basically DISAPPEARED, just check the volume of keys.

(I think the resellers buy most of the keys which ones under their own selling price.)

There are much less succesfull key-metal trades than ever before, meanwhile as the people said, outpost have more users than ever.

Also, if 4.44 is really in the range, then there should be 4.44 buyer proofs aswell.

when there's a seller trade for 4.44, and they sell, there's your buyer

Nah, that's not. That's just a succesfull seller trade.. And only a few of them are valid, so basically desperated/quick buyers. That's why there are no 4.44 buyer trades.

If there would be multiple 4.44 buyer (valid) proofs, then 4.44 in the suggested range would be much more realistic.

you said proofs not trades.

Can't comment on your latest one, so then I will write it here...

I wouldn't think thats why you arguing... On bp.tf proofs mostly means trades, and vica-versa.

Just 4 you:

"Nah, that's not. That's just a PROOF OF succesfull seller trade.. And only a few of them are valid, so basically desperated/quick buyers. That's why there are no PROOF OF 4.44 buyer trades.

If there would be multiple 4.44 buyer (valid) proofs / TRADES, then 4.44 in the suggested range would be much more realistic.

you didn't specify.

totally agree with you. not many non-money spending tf2ers can afford this new key price and as the volume of trades decrease it shows that even massive metal farmers are not finding this worth their time anymore. a lot of them are cashing out right now. at the moment it really is silly resellers buying from other resellers and people who are really desperate to convert metal to keys.

i hope that key prices are finally stabilising at around this range based on tf2finance. that'll just be good for the economy as a whole.

We are sick of you.

Proven that you are stupid.

Okay, you are not acting serious, you are rude for no reason.

I don't care about this anymore, I now why you are acting like this.

Why do you disagree with me? You haven't showed any counterproof. I can't see any links of people which have alot of succes at 4 and 4.11 Ref. I showed some people who had succes at even 4.55 and 4.66 Ref, yet it's not in the range.

dude, totally unnecessary and frankly, rude. how about making the suggestion and letting it ride out without trolling or being a general ass.

How 'bout not being mad about the keyprices?

I'm only somewhat rude to persons who accuse me for irrelevant reasons.

why do you care? post your suggestion and shut up. jeez.

it sounds like you care more about making some sort of point than making a good suggestion.

that'll give you heartburn. you should expend your energy elsewhere - that's my recommendation.

But is the backpack key price rising because ref is dropping, or is ref dropping because the backpack key price is rising?

Seems to me that people are taking the recent inflation to their advantage and selling well above the price range because they know it will reach them eventually. It's a vicious circle.

downvote

upvote

here we go

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inb4 shitstorm

inb4 dislikes

oh no another key suggestion

stop inflating keys

stop using tf2finance as a bible

stop using tf2op as a bible

owns: 1, obvious price manipulator

keys will be 5 ref in a week

keys will be 6 ref in a month

keys will be 20 ref when I'll be year

keys were 2.66 ref back in my times

backpack.tf is not good anymore/corrupted

admins are corrupted

mods are corrupted

my grandmother is corrupted

Bite me

Counter-proof (like) :

Buyers at 4.22 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9742892 - Trade done [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9714113 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9719382 - Trade done [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9720467 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9746881 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9698884 (4.2) - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9639403 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9658963 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9504783 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9628552 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9707982 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9654563 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9731406 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9734816 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9692804 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3023345 - "Buying: 4.22 (per key) -1 scrap per transaction**" "Key store", [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9696515 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9567553 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9734515 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9672067 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Buyers at 4.33 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9716398 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9726217 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9746680 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9663126 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9414804 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9678541 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9747831 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9514200 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9728653 - Trade done [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9702274 - 0 metal in stock! [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9666263 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9717899 - Trade done [IN CURRENT RANGE]

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Sellers at 4.55/4.66 Ref (Only successful trades):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9632983 - Captain smack in the eye - Trade done : 1 hour ago~, 7.66 ref in his bp, 0 key, 0 new ref, 0 new item

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9569870 - Freakazoid - "*Keys sold at this price: 11*" - 17.33 ref in his bp, no new ref, no new item

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9535194 - ☮ HitmaN ™ - "(Some Ref in his BP, sold 3+ Keys min)" - No proof for that, only 4 new ref, and few new items (black bills, 2012 festives, botkiller)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9610099 - Stiltefied - no proof for succesfull trade, 0 new metal, 2 new tod ticket

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9491543 - Ayab - "Keys Sold: 42" - 15.33 ref in his bp at all, no new metal

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9687849 - ..::Kent Kanobe::.. - "Sold: 28" - only 29.22 metal in his np, no new metal

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9526736 - -=|JFH|=-Hawk - "(Sold at least one)" The guy who wanted to buy one dont have any key, or metal in his bp. Also the seller have no new metal. (8 untradeable keys lol.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9208240 - STALLONE | Ref - 10 rub(QIWI) - "(Sold 2 a week ago)" How do you know the trade really done? Have 4.66 new ref. The buyer have only 2 UNTRADEABLE keys (lol) in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9702162 - Shark-mann - 9.77 metal in his bp at all, no new ref ("Sold: 15" ?..)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9748710 - NMGod [Buying keys 4.44 ref] - No proof at all for succesfull trades.

Sellers at 4.44 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9429746 - Re'Flex Pootis - Buying in the same thread, reseller. No proof for sold keys. Neither of the buyers have any key, or have enough metal for it.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9736409 - Mama Wolf ¤MBM¤ - "(Offer of 4.44 and 4.33) Price is 4.66" No buyer for 4.66, the guy who offered 4.44 dont have any key, and have only 1.88 (from them 0.88 new) metal. "Sold: Too many to count." - Have only 3.88 metal in his bp, no new metal. He didn't sold a single key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9427530 - Lupah - "(4.4 as an offer) Price is 4.66" There is NO offer fo 4.4, only 4.22. Also if you meant that: "Would you do 5:7? 5 Keys for 17 ref?" "I would do that" Thats 3.4, not 4.4....- only 1.66 new metal, no proof for sold keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9748040 - andy - The guy who offered have 3 keys from andy. (ok)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9719983 - Humala - "Keys in Stock: 0" Sold only 1 key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9748368 - PepiPopa - Trade dane, plenty of new metals, new keys, vintages, genuines. (looks like a smaller BP) Not sure what he paid for them, but no one commented in his thread.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9276190 - Drell - "stock:12 (NOT SELLING!)", 0 new metal, have only 1 ref in his bp, no new items.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9748465 - CC | Zimmerframe - Trade done, Opened: (3 hours ago), Closed: ~(3 hours ago), no new metal, have only 0.66 ref in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9551050 - Helper - "This trade was closed by +MacroPower at 17:13:46 on April 1st, 2013 with the following reason: This trade is misleading. (Trade Rule 3) " Only 1.11 ref in his bp, no new metal.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9385641 - OMFGSPY - Buying in the same thread (reseller), "STOCK: 0", no proof for succesfull trades. Only 3.88 new metal in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9695445 - Rainbow fast is best fast - "KEYS IN STOCK : 0", 10.22 metal in his bp, no new metal

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9743746 - Toasted Tomatoes - Trade done, no proof for succesfull trades. (Second offer doesn't have any key or metal in his bp.) No new metal.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9615786 - Profit Lemon - "Stock-0 restocking" Last Bump: 1 hour ago, have bunch of new metal

Sellers at 4.33 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9748395 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9551050 - [IN CURRENT RANGE] [DUPLICATED LINK] "This trade was closed by +MacroPower at 17:13:46 on April 1st, 2013 with the following reason: This trade is misleading. (Trade Rule 3) "

Sellers at 4.22 Ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9748422 - [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Good to know, I don't have to put [url ] [ / url] for the links... :F

also, finance back down to 4.3 even. inside current range again

4.27 at finance atm

4.26 currently

You would want the key price to go up as you have 118 keys...

YES YES

PROFITZ IZ GUD 4 MEE

BEUCASE I TOTALLY CARE ABOUT MAH BP VALUE BECAUSE IMMA A KEYBNAKER!!!!!!!!11

Damn, this shit is really pissing me off. Nothing against you, but better grab some new arguments except this irrelevant thing. It's not working. It never worked.

Why do people like you have to be so stupid............

Oh, really?

A lot of small traders accuse me for having 100+ Keys.

I make 5-fucking-$ profit if this suggesion gets accepted!

This argument is irrelvant and they know that, but they are still posting it.

Everybody who claims that I'm manipulating the current keyprice for my own benefit is just mad and is too lazy to get some good arguments.

ninja_panda did that. He is not acting serious, nor I'm replying in a serious way, because he is like the 30th dude today who used this argument.

Edit: Look at dolans' comment. He says that I'm ruining the TF2 economy, he told me to fuck off. He insults me for a computer game.

So.........?

You are acting like a child, you insult me for no reason, call me stupid and you say that people are sick of me. You haven't posted any success at 4/4.11 Ref but you still disagree with me.

People like you make me sick. You think that your opinion is fact and that insults will solve everything.

I really don't care if I posted any success at 4/4.11 ref. TF2 isn't all about trading. If TF2 is all about trading then it should be called Trading Fortress 2. You make me sick, you make everyone sick. Scroll up, look at what you said:

"YES YES

PROFITZ IZ GUD 4 MEE

BEUCASE I TOTALLY CARE ABOUT MAH BP VALUE BECAUSE IMMA A KEYBNAKER!!!!!!!!11"

Saying that I act like a child? Pff, hypocrite.

Why should we have to post 4/4.11 proofs? 4 and 4.11 not even in the current range... You suggested to change only the high-end, and you didn't give enough proof for that.

Sorry, didn't know what you can't understand sarcasm.

Btw. You take trading to serious, because you directly insult me.

fuck off. You gaise are ruining the mannconomy

Doing my best :<

Not sure how that works.

That's all fine and dandy from the guy who has 118 keys in his backpack and is doing this to raise his backpack value by $5. And it sounds very likely to me, OP, that you do not want anyone who disagrees with you on the site, so only like minded people are on the site and you will be able to push up key prices within 6 hour of submitting the suggestion. And you think the community is going downhill because there are people on this site that disagree with you. Tough luck, pal, cause whether you like it or not,you need these talking points on the other side of the fence to make sure a community DOESN'T go downhill. You are being extremely petty over something that will raise your total backpack value by $5.

Also, oculus has completely dissected your proof and completely disproven the buyers for your suggested range. So I am going to vote against this with the comfort that oculus's proof is a lot stronger than yours.

You tell us not to troll, and then you troll below your suggestion because you want to have the final word. If you are that dedicated to raising the price of your virtual backpack by $5, that Valve can take away from you for shits and giggles if they wanted to, you need to set your priorities straight. Go out and find a date, play the game for fun and not for profit, play another game, do chores. I find it extremely petty when you start to insult people and call people names behind a keyboard just so you can have the last word.

i have seen many people selling keys for 4.33 and a bit over, even though my personal opinion is to keep keys at the good old 2.33, i say its good proof on this stuff it might just be people who want to get rid of their keys and are selling it for high prices i dunno really but it seems a little good to raise the price

Sigh, good proof is good. reluctantly upvote.

I like the other suggestion better. :P

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51598a2f4bd7b83b08000003

I can't even vote :(

That price range is WAY better than what these people are suggesting

Why are keys so expensive anyways? You can't even wear it as a hat.

You put them on your dick and it makes it bigger.

Its good for your e-penis

It's good for YOURS

Shut up and take my money!

Don't put my link there, since im quickbuying for 4.33ref, god damn read the post before doing another suggestion, also i was looking only for 4keys and i didn't get a single add for almost 24hours.(I am a donator so i have auto bumps every 1 hour)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9728653

Downvote from me, taking for ever to buy for 4.33ref and you want 4.44?

Sellers have alot of succes at 4.44, so it should be included.

Also, you are supporting me with the last sentence.

Yeah I noticed that on the last sentence hehe im stoopid, but still, don't take quickbuyers to your suggestions.

I have no problem with keys going up, I have problem with suggestions every single 5hours making it impossible to buy keys, only sell, it shouldn't be that way.

Sorry dude, but everybody can say that he is a quickbuyer.

Btw. That you haven't bought a single key for the price yet is supporting me, too.

So make it fucking 4.44+ only then, god damn stop playing with key prices

I'm not playing with the keyprice, I'm only reporting a new price ;_;

I am yes a Key-Greedy Guy , I want this key rising over with so it is at a stable price , and then I can sell it for metal at the exact price , increasing it would make a lot of people hold on to their keys until the rising stops . I do not care what price Keys end at for now , I just want it to stop please ! :(

you realize until valve sells refined metal in the mann co store or makes it uncraftable (never) or keys aren't purchaseable from the mann co store (also never), the key price will never stabilize, and keep rising

within a year or two sadly we will see 10 ref keys >:(

Keys will allways be instock at mann co store. These keys are what keeps mann co going sadly the only reason I purchased normal items was for the uncraftable market now that they fucked that up and made everything craftable no reason to purchase items anymore unless you can't get them in drops. For example keys and some paint's and so on.

I will never pay 10refs for a key people who do that are just dumb and desperate for keys. Another reason people will continue to rise the price of the keys cause there are dumb people out there that pay 5refs for 1key. So someone like this says oh someone buying 1 key for 5refs lets make a price suggestion.

Like i stated in all my other comments I support mann co not profit whores.

I still don't comprehend how people are still willing to sell their keys for metal nowadays.

A couple of sellers for 5 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9510211

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9715260

I'm trying to keep my suggestion serious, that's why I used 4.55/4.66 trades which were succesful.

good proof

no counterproof

tf2finance supporting the suggested range

upvote

check ocolus post above

Guys, he definitely didn't see the biggest counterproof ever.

plus finance at 4.26

this comment is useless, my vote is useless

PS: the manipulation continues..until 5 ref or more

PS2: my next answer is with one youtube video with a sheep screaming

"manipulation" when selling a key for 4.55 ref is already possible?

It's not your vote, it's your opinion which is useless because you won't provide any good counterproof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIaFtAKnqBU

PS: i dont care about "backpackers" anymore, in fact im not key buyer or seller, in week keys go for 5 ref because of OP proofs and backpack, im just saying..im here to see the show

I dont think you really need to add that kind of intro. "I want to touch price of KEys again!" Dont need that. Just offer your proof.

I made 10 sales for 4.33 today. I think current range is fine and works.

4.33 is within the suggested range..

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9734117

i sold mine for 2.66, many interested people.

my gunslinger suggestion gets closed for the following reason:

"Yeah sorry, still buyable at less than 40." Chief Shoe

just 2 links vs my over 20keys was enough to close my suggestion.

So, thats my counter proof, that you still find keys for under 4ref.

That is no counterproof, I can sold one dollar for one cent and nothing will change.

And only ONE trade can't change ALL the market, find more.

It s just my opinion (and maybe people will dislike it in 5 minutes) but has anyone made research how much of the buyers that you mostly use as the most important proof have another trade where they sell for higher price?

One of reasons the price is going up is because of THIS SITE. If people stopped raising the price here, then traders would stop paying for overpriced keys. My solution is slowly decrease the price of keys in backpack.tf so that the people trading keys will learn that people wont buy them for the huge price.

Prove it or your theory is just that - a theory.

You want backpack.tf to stop doing what it was set up to do, and not only that, you want it to lie about current market trends because you're upset over a scrap raise when its already obvious that plenty of people are willingly buying for the current high end of keys?

Wow I checked your outpost trades and you're nothing but a person full of hot air.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9564527[/url] selling for 4.44 refined || Open 1 week ago || Closed 2 days ago

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9370220[/url] selling for 4.33 refined || Open 2 weeks ago || Closed 1 week ago

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9185449[/url] selling for 4.33 refined || Open 3 weeks ago || Closed 2 weeks ago

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9145330[/url] selling for 4.22 refined || Open 3 weeks ago || Closed 3 weeks ago

You've consistently been trying to sell keys above backpack.tf price every single time the price rises. How dare you criticize backpack.tf and suggest lowering the price when you are part of the outpost highballers that started these crazy key prices in the first place.

Continuing to raise the price for "accuracy" only pushes the actual steady state higher. When keys were 4 ref people actually sold for 4-4.33, this is how it's always worked since the 2.66 or so age. People are already selling at 5 refined and they do not sell because many people are selling at 4.44-4.66. You'll eventually push the price up to that range and then the 5 ref keys will start selling, and it'll just go from there until nobody buys keys any more. TF2 traders are also notoriously greedy so they won't just haggle a lower price, they'll hide or rag on anyone that doesn't like their scalper price, and as a result it'll become impossible to buy keys without being scalped. If you let the price sit for more than a week you'll start seeing a stable price range like it's always been, but continuously raising the price is taking advantage of people without keys. I really hope people don't realize this and aren't simply trying to artificially make themselves richer.

This place is full of idiots

You might wanna look at this:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51407d24ba2536c91300002a

Reason TF2Finance is at 4.36: price manipulators with 100's of alts are trading keys to their alts for high prices that are still in the range to be counted.

Reason OP is full of highballs that sold: there are always idiots. I saw people buying keys for 5 refined, simply because they had lots of metal. My brother has sold keys for 4.66 when they were still 3.88

Reason there are buyers at 4.33: because they can do what I listed above.

Metal isn't even going down that much. It's price is going down because of keys going up. Why? Because everyone thinks the inverse is true, and they say key price in $ / metal = metal price in $.

Also, the vicious cycle. Everyone dismisses it as bullshit, but after seeing everything happen in first person, I know how it works. It is actually real.

Anyways, I want to stop this stupid crap as soon as possible. What would stabilize the economy: keys are now craftable / refined can be used for unboxing. that would stabilize everything.

Peace!

-RC

PS: OP owns 118 keys, might be manipulating through finance to raise price on here.

how about.. no one buys keys

just use metal xd

but then again, that is flawed, what if someone was purchasing a burning TC?

that'd cost like 11691 ref

still, never purchasing keys again with ref

4.22 is a quicksell anyway..

Did someone say ham?

ham

ok what you want son?

2 days

2 fucking days

we're going to get to the point where prices are updated within 5 second intervals

someone just do that, every 5 seconds make the price go up by .11

Trust me, that's much better than what was happening

HURHUR PRICES ARE GOING UP AND ITS YOUR FAULT I DIDN'T INVEST IN KEYS

No. If he's got proof, then he's completely logical in making the suggestion.

Ever heard of counter proofs?

Ever seen one before?

If you haven't, scroll up.

i advertiesed i was selling keys for 4.33 on out post and was added 3 times in about 1 min upvote

I hate to say this, but I have to watch the market before I downvote or upvote. Half the time it's an instant vote for me, but.... *sigh* The words even look foul to be written. Brb while I scour TF2OP/my friends list/maybe a few trade servers.

Stop driving the price of keys up! It's crashing the entire economy! People use this website like it's the holy bible of team fortress 2. The price of keys plays perhaps the most important role of all. Keys are not worth 4.44 Ref I just bought 9 keys in 2 separate trades for 4 Ref each so I know they aren't 4.44 ref!

If Keys are not worth 4.44 Ref, why are people already paying 4.55 and 4.66 Ref?

Because idiots exist. Give me a key and I'll get 5 refined for it in a few days. Many idiots everywhere.

you can train a dog to drool at the sound of a bell,

You can do the same for a human,

we have trained the buyers to buy higher and higher,

The sellers continue to raise and raise...

"price should be 3 ref or 2,88-3,11 and its JUST FINE --'"

Opinion.

"So thats it? If someone buys keys for a scrap more the price gets higher?? WTF."

Someone? I listed more than 30 links which support my suggestion, and this is a small piece of the market.

"Seriously. What if I buy a key for 10 ref, THE PRICE WILL FU***** INCREASE! WTF"

No, it won't. Get your facts straight.

""IDIOTS" buy keys just to resell and make profit with keys,"

And I make profit with unusual trading, problem? These traders are smart, they know how to make profit. Don't accuse them for being smarter than others.

"you probably buy alot of keys for the current price and then sell then 1-2 scrap more and then come saying like: "hey guys look at this: I bought keys for 4,22 and sold then for 4,44 so price should be 4,22-4,44 right?""

Nope, I haven't bought a single key for refined metal in the last weeks. I stopped Key:Ref traders after halloween.

And what do I earn if I rise the price of Keys by 0.05 Ref?

Right, nothing.

Well you actually earn almost 6 ref :3

And what can I do with those when I'm not selling any of my Keys for metal?

Bad excuse, you could easily be selling them on alt accounts.

Actually, you earn 6 refined

"And for god's sake - Don't base your vote on your opinion."

What? Bro, all of this is on opinion. Some think the price needs to go up so they get richer, and some think the price goes down because they want to stabilize the prices.

It's like politics bro.

Also, quick question to any experts in TF2 economy, could you lower the price based on people buying at a lower cost?

No, because people are also buying for higher. That's like asking if [insert random item] could be lowered because someone bought it for less even though plenty would have bought it for more.

Thanks, just wondering. I was seeing if logic here could be placed backwards and still work.

Wait, so how can we get keys to go for less? Kill the hype?

Don't buy keys for metal and don't sell keys above X amount (X is whatever you think the price should be). If enough people did this then keys would stop increasing, but at the moment people are still buying keys for higher and higher.

Interesting. That could work, but I think there is something wrong with that. Now, I have only been playing TF2 since the start of the year, not counting the perfecting and domination of the xbox version for how many years I played it, but with not buying keys with metal is a problem.

Let's say keys are 5 ref. I am a key seller. If someone wants to buy my key with offers, I would want more for it, like say the offer was calculated to be 5.55 ref. I think this neithers hurts the price or raises it. It makes it stay.

Now, from what I am seeing, people who are rich and only want to get richer are raising the price only for profit. It ain't no key crisis. It's a key war. Against the rich and the poor. The poor is stupid for paying for such high prices and the rich are smarter because the poor keeps wanting more. A good way to kill it is for a demonstration, a PSA on prices.

Rise key prices rise!!!! TF2WH has keys for 2.88 ref and still has 40 - 70 every so often. Riseeeeeee!!!!

Current cost of keys on warehouse: 13500 credits

Current cost of refined on warehouse: 3275 credits

13500/3275 = ~4.11 refined per key

No, it does not cost 2.88 refined to buy keys from warehouse, that statement is inaccurate.

Holy crap ref went down. It was 4500 for ref. This is new from when I checked yesterday. Ah oh well WH still gets keys.

I watched TODs fall from 1.55 to 1.47 to 1.42 in about a week.

warehouse doesnt accept metal anymore

It accepts again.

really. since when? and what is the stock maximum

Last I recall max was like 1,000 but the max changes every so often. I've seen it rise and fall at different times of the day lately.

Since WH got a new/another admin, Bogon. He also re-priced most of the items, maximum stock of refs: 1500

And they selling ref for 3275, but as I know, they not accept reclaimed and scrap.

yeah thnx, i allready read everything about it, good to know

To be honest this is just getting ridiculous, in the past month or so Keys have gone up more than 1 ref, there is a never ending supply of them and in some places you can get them for $1.50. If we continue to up-vote keys the entire TF2 economy will break. Keys are already really high and should of hit their peak already, even if there are people buying keys for over 4.33 well then that's fucked for them because they can get them cheaper here.

never ending supply if you have infinite money which last time I checked no one does.

people do seem to have be able to idle lots and lots of accounts..so we got way more of the an infinite metal supply then keys

keys aren't high, metal is low!

Except for making change I don't have much use then keeping more then a few ref in my BP.

I have no reason to craft anything and I don't trade for cheap items too often

All the juicy items are a key or higher

I sell out quickly at 4.44, upboat.

inb4 dislikes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9601757 < sold a key for 4.66

5days ago, go home

So, demand went down since then?

its to old, 2 suggestions made in this time.

Has the demand for keys dropped? He sold for 4.66 when the price was much lower, and keys have just been constantly rising. If you could sell for 4.66 when price was 4.11-4.22, shouldn't it be easier when the price is 4.22-4.33, as the demand and price of keys have just been going up.

I'd say demand would have gone down because the new crates aren't new anymore.

I like how most of your proof is in the current range. The only thing you're doing to the price is extending it from 4.33 to 4.44, so you just need proof of sales at 4.44. Why all the other bullshit about 4.22, 4.33, 4.55, 4.66?

And for god sakes, you need proof of sales at 4.44, not just people who are selling them with/without stock.

-_- I think removing a price on keys would help solve this. Set it to 0.00 or something.

UPVOTED! I have keys :D

Downvoted your comment! Because nobody cares about that nowadays.

GUYS PLEASE STOP RAISING IT, YOU'RE RUINING THE ECONOMY

To quote Chief: "OH LAWD SAVE THE ECONOMY!"

Eh people willing to buy it at 4+ are ruining the economy. There are still creative ways to get keys for 2 ref. Again.... creative ways.

If mods keep accepting these then backpack.tf is going to be about as relevant as the spreadsheet is now.

people already dis the hel* out of it in trade servers

This is the worst April Fool's Day by far.

Out of curiosity, what happens if keys ever get to 7-10+ Refine Metal a piece and it becomes unreasonable to consider purchasing keys with refined due to how slow it is to make Refine a month without having a significant amount of idle farming accounts to create it? ( Is there an average on how much metal can be accumulated per account per month and per year? )

Wouldn't this be a bit problematic in the long run?

EXACTLY, STOP RAISING THIS

It makes buying keys with real money more valuable as you can get more metal and metal-based items per key. Pretty good for newbies who want to spend some money and get what they want. Not so good for those who want to trade their way up.

You make me sick

Pretty much official now that I hate backpack.tf more than any other tf2 related site.

Single-handedly the cause of key prices, yet everyone refuses to admit it

"Pretty much official now that I hate backpack.tf more than any other tf2 related site." Kinda wondering why your here right now.

"single-handedly"

ROFL

Single-handedly...I didn't realize backpack.tf physically forced people to continue selling keys for higher and slayed everyone that tried to be righteous and sell for less.

MY GRANDMOTHER IS CORRUPTED

Stop. Plenty of sellers at 4.22, 4.11, even 4 ref. I bought five just a day ago at 4 ref each. Downvote.

Unfortunately people can't stop it from happening.

Assuming you mean low sellers can't stop the inflation, then you're absolutely right. :(

But I can still downvote!

495,000 keys >> http://stats.tf/item/5021/Mann_Co._Supply_Crate_Key (2 weeks ago was 520,000)

1,293,000 ref >> http://stats.tf/item/5002/Refined_Metal

If you divide the current amount of metal by current amount of keys, it equals 2.61...

il buy yours at 4.22, and you can buy another one from your 4 ref seller.

And you can sell at 4.44 ref :-) Then someone else can sell at 4.66 and we'll never use keys :-)

nah, i like having keys to buy unusuals and stuff with, i have a few and a black bills right now and i hate selling keys.

Let's get back on topic. I still firmly stand buy the argument that backpack.tf really does influence prices. I've posted my cliché key trader conversation many times. "Oh, I just checked backpack.tf and they say that keys are *insert backpack.tf high price + 1 scrap here* ref!"

Proof?

4.11 is nonexistent in my experience, 4.22 is quicksell. This range works.

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

>mfw people say backpack.tf is a fair website that doesnot manipulate prices and voting actually counts.

>that feel

>mfw when people use "mfw" and then don't post a link to anything: http://andallofthem.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/unamused.jpg

i have no face

I can't wait until ref is added to the community market and the entire economy gets fucked upside down!

So many people will rush to sell ref on the market the price will drive way down (similar to crates) and key price will go way up! c:

For this same reason I'm never buying / selling keys for metal ever again, and this economy is flip-shitted-ass-backwards. ~Just like real life

Cheers you greedy bastards!~

Well SOMEONE forgot to invest in keys before their value went up :)

To be painfully honest I hate keys, and they've never done any good for me.

Oh the days when I sold them for 3.33 because they rhymed with key and everyone bought mine because I had a jingle to go along with my business~

To be honest, I want 2 things to happen: that there be a set trading item worth 3 keys, and keys be worth 3 ref. That way:

3 scrap metal = 1 reclaimed metal

3 reclaimed metal = 1 refined metal

3 refined metal = 1 key

3 keys = <trading item worth 3 keys>

3 <trading item worth 3 keys> = Bill's Hat

3 Bills = 1 Earbud

3 Earbuds = 1 Max Head

Rule of 3s. HL3 CONFIRMED!

You are my new friend.

Uh... yay? :D

All i can say is that he has so much evidence i shit my pants +plus one positive vote :P

But His evidence were copy and pasted therefore, he did very little research.

Lol, I searched for the proof by myself..

You made me shit my pants.

leave key updates to experienced price suggesters, no offense.

I think people hate it just as much when Long suggest key prices, no offense.

Yeah, I'm not experienced. I'm only understanding AND showing what is going with the Keys.

I don't want to call myself smart, but every comment which I made gets downvoted to hell, no matter if I'm right or wrong.

But also a ton of experienced traders agree with me. I showed proof, I showed evidence, I'm completely serious (as long as the opposite side is also acting serious >_>) and I showed why the Key:Ref prices go up and and the Ref:USD prices go down.

Keys will allways go up because people are greedy. Not realizing there so easy to get via sourceOP or other resources. My vote will allways be down untill they are steady at 4refs thats a good price for anyone. Keys are only 2.49 in MannCO and 1.30 roughly via paypal transactions. There not expensive to trade purchase. However they are a demanded product this is the why the rise of the key prices. If you got the resources you can still find good deals on keys. Its gonna be a never ending battle with the price of the keys there like gold to people.

This why people need to downvote or be wise when they suggest key prices and so on. It's really not the website fault its the people who abuse it in the community. There def needs to be more attention when people suggest keys they don't need to have a price suggestion every week. Normal items do not have this usually unless there new. 4refs is plenty for 1key!

Keys are only 2.49 in MannCO and 1.30 roughly via paypal

meanwhile, playing the game/idle give you free ref.

that is why key in metal keep increasing.

Hey Long, how get genuine earbuds?

be swaggy

Then why dont I have a set? ;__;

cuz u don't have swag

Implying ppl start idling half year ago, not in may 2009, with unlimited drop.

Yes people idle to get items dont tell me you don't do this any long time trader idles for items when there low. Yes I know why the keys keep trying to raise but to me its pointless I will never fork over more then 4refs for a key. I rather support Mann Co keep tf2 alive then support some profit whore. Without people purchasing items in tf2 there would more then likely be less updates less item adds and so on.

You can bitch all you want cause your post got downvoted and so will this. There your keys you can keep them and do what you want with them. So yes we get free refs but good traders tf2 players have to work for there refs they need to have the resources and the money to get all this refs in the end it is free once you get past all the loops.

Just waiting for the Mannconomy to crash

I dunno why you guys are saying that this site is stupid, but let me show you something.

http://puu.sh/2seHt

This is proof that admins don't give a flying fuck that even though people don't want to raise the price. 1 guy makes a suggestion, provide mediocre proof, and it gets accepted. The sites (outpost and backpack.tf) aren't the problem, it's the fucking idiots BUY keys at high prices. Not to mention the steam market fucked everything up

This key bubble is getting really close to popping. Really gonna screw the mannconomy over.

That same line has been said for months now. I've got my ticket ready, but that train simply isn't pull into the station.

If this suggestion is refused, I think your train'll be right on time, sir.

Nope because they'll be another one up right after it and a suggestion not being accepted for higher does not mean a bubble has popped and keys are going to plummet in price.

It just screws Valve over. For a $2.50 key I can buy 3 hats worth $5 each in the store. Anyway.... it won't burst.

Also, how exactly does a suggestion with a -123 or -64 score still pass?

Key suggestions are a special case in which votes do not necessarily matter since most people on key suggestions vote based on feelings rather than actually looking at evidence and since most don't look at or don't care about evidence on key suggestions they simply disregard and down vote anyways regardless of whether their vote is truly accurate or not.

You know...votes are based on feelings like every other vote IRL.Thats why they are called VOTES. If the majority doesnot want a key inflation but there are those 5 assholes who constantly do it by using "proof" to get their e-peen bigger, this website is as low as spreadshit.com or whatever the new thing is.

I can make a ton of shitty groups IRL full of voters that want rice, gasoline, tax to lower the price and the items' prices won't change.

Only supply and demand can affect the price. Once people stop buying keys for more and more or sellers stop selling keys for more and more, then the price will stop increasing.

Stop buying/selling for more to help lower the price? Are you insane? What people should do is establish a scapegoat (backpack.tf), complain a lot, say some fancy economic words that you think go together and somewhat make sense, get a lot of likes on your comment, have the suggestion pass anyways due to proof, and then rinse and repeat on the next suggestion.

imagine this,

if people stop paying for example 4.33 ref, after a while, 4.33+ sellers will need metal and they will forced to lower the price down to 4.22 or lower.

And i will add, if the votes on this website dont count for shit (shocker:they dont), why have voting in the first place. I know why, so people have a false sense of feeling that backpack.tf is not manipulating prices, and the PEOPLE are.

You've been coming back and using this site for how long now? How many of these lowballer/highballer suggestions have you seen accepted because I have over 600 downvotes from last month alone that attest to the fact that this site does not bend to the whims of whomever decides to suggest. You seem to completely disregard any proof that's provided and instead get your kicks by complaining about prices getting accepted but not caring enough to know why.

I think it was stated (somewhere) that the voting system isn't there to actually influence the likelihood of a suggestion getting passed, It's there just as a game for the users more or less to see how in touch they are with the TF2 economy.

I could just be remembering incorrectly though.

I was just reading the proof and say: My grandma is corrupted. Dafuq is this.

Dafuq is wrong with you

You gave zero buyers listed for 4.44, and since keys are already at 4.22-4.33 on here, I don't find those necessary to reproof

I am tired and lazy, so to find some counterproof, I simply went down the first page of key buyers.

Buyers:

4 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9208345

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9337490

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9661036

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9212227

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9694369

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9666450

4.11 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8411919

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9674957

Super low balls that had some success still:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8063848

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/2572557

End note (copy/pasted from [BS] foungi1's offer, who had copy/pasted it from somewhere else.):

If you absolutely need a key, buy one of these for the horrible price of 7 ref.

follow outpost rules.

if you think that this price or any other price is too expensive, then don't buy it. buyers of keys determine the price of keys on backpack.tf/spreadsheet. if nobody ever buys this key for 5 ref, the price of 1 key will never be 5 ref. the reason why a key is 3.88 - 4.11 ref on bp.tf at the time of writing is because there are ppl buying at 3.88 and some people who are buying at 4.11

key sellers, on the other hand, will try to sell at the highest price. maybe they'll sell it and maybe they won't. generally, when a key can't be sold at 5 ref or whatever, the price will drop until the key is bought, and when it does sell, that becomes the new price. so as a community of people who buy keys, if you want the price to drop, don't buy at such a high price. if enough people only buy keys at 3 ref, there will be enough "proof" in outpost links to vote on backpack.tf for the pricing of 1 key to be approved at 3 ref.

This is a real trade. Buy this key for 5 ref. Don't post unnecessary comments about how I'm contributing to this inflation mess because I'm clearly educating those that really want to know, as well as trying to inject the market with keys via my website. Unfortunately a web developer is expensive, so that's on hold for now.

This trade got your attention, didn't it? Share it with your friends, especially if you've been having trouble buying keys at the price you want. In fact, maybe it would be a good idea to start now. Put up a trade saying you're buying keys for 3.11 ref, and once you buy a key at that price, never take it down. Just update the notes accordingly ie. how many keys you bought at that price. Eventually, your trade link can be used as proof that people are selling at 3.11.

"Written by TF2KEYS.com"

Personal note: I don't agree with key inflation, but really it is the people that buy from those selling a good rec above others that is causing it, I think. And while there are always going to be those successful high ball trades, (I've made a few crazy ones myself) that doesn't represent the true value, that represents the high balls that overprice things to get a little more profit than others, at the cost of more time.

Amazing how people continue to try and raise the prices of keys. I remember when keys would get sold anywhere from 2.33-2.66 commonly, this constant inflation is a problem within the TF2 market, as someone else said part of the problem is prices on THIS SITE. What I want to know is why people go to the trouble of finding "proof" that allows them to make suggestions to RAISE the prices of keys. If people would STOP searching for key prices, and saying "Oh look there are people selling keys for more," then the price would gradually drop. There will always be people trying to raise the price, and get the most out of what they have, that does not mean we should help them out by voting to raise the price a bit, so that their price does not seem like overpay. Unfortunately, I don't expect any of these greedy traders, or dumbfounded price-searchers to ever cooperate with the rest of the community, and allow keys to go back to a nice and more solid price.

I remember where I could buy 80 keys per day from trade servers offering 2.66 and everyone would jump. Then I noticed as fewer people would sell them. I'd even warn friends that I can't find them.... the price will increase. Anyway, ref will always become worthless. Why should something free ever be worth something you need to pay for.

time is money.

Why couldn't this be an April fools joke?

Seriously backpack.tf. Bradd Pitt. Suggestion for 2 keys per key.

Priceless.

Also, congratulations on becoming long 218.

is there anything wrong with becoming long218 ?

Nah, just making key suggestions every damn week was usually your job. :P

inb4 admin

"Well, -800 votes, but the proof is okay. Accepted."

Those negative votes are people who are saying that they would refuse to pay for a key that is priced this much. Are the admins assuming that folks on backpack.tf are some sort of exception to the TF2 economy? Isn't the voting system in place to provide a micro-representation of how the economy feels as a whole about price fluctuation? If more people than not are saying that they would refuse to pay the price suggested, that's a pretty large indicator of the illegitimacy of the price suggestion.

"they would refuse to pay for a key that is priced this much"

and yet there are buyers' trades at 4.33 ref

also, like I said before, people cannot use voting to manipulate the price of key

I quoted myself "I can make a ton of shitty groups IRL full of voters that want rice, gasoline, tax to lower the price and the items' prices won't change.

Only supply and demand can affect the price. Once people stop buying keys for more and more or sellers stop selling keys for more and more, then the price will stop increasing."

I saw your weak analogy, thanks. Here's the problem: the demand for keys is pathetic. No one wants to buy them for these prices and that is reflected in the votes. These buyers you talk about at 4.33 are just people wanting to be part of the racket, betting on the fact that keys will only go up. The current price doesn't matter to them, because they know that the current price will be a whole reclaimed higher in a week's time. They're not organic buyers, they're just looking to further entrench themselves in the inflation. Organic buyers have completely shied away from the market.

I totally agree with lazy

owns 118 price sug higher. de- nied

no matter what if you try and raise the price on keys everybody will agree no matter what

I wonder how many of those people have two trades for key, one buying for the minimum and one selling for the maximum.

Most of them.

Just as Sir Chuckles said, most of them.

Also, there are a lot of people who doesn't even make a seperated buyer/seller trade. They reselling in the same trade.. or the increasing number of key reseller BOTS.... (I don't even know outpost why allow bot trades.)

Almost forgot: tf2finance = 4.28 currently

Don't complain about the Keyinflation or the Keys in my BP.

LOL

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

4.27 Refined

Clearly tf2finance is always right. That's why people quote it so much.

I still don't understand why our votes don't matter. I mean look at price suggestions that want to inflate the price of keys with more down votes than up votes!!! I'm not sure what the backpack.tf admins are thinking. Please someone explain to me.

Yea i pretty much have no clue either

Money!!!

you guys are trying to use downvotes to manipulate key's price to go lower to benefit you guys.

you twits have successfully inflated key value in ref. what you twits havent thought of is the consequences of inflation. starting now, i am selling craft hats @ 2.33 ref each because of you filthy twits.

now that you have sucessfully destroyed the unusual market you dirt bags destroy the key market.

♚Rias Gremory™ [Devil King]: Can i sell you a key and i get 4 ref and 2 rec?

Skyline✔: 4.66 ? nop

♚Rias Gremory™ [Devil King]: sorry

♚Rias Gremory™ [Devil King]: 4.33

Skyline✔: 4 ref maybe

♚Rias Gremory™ [Devil King]: :/

♚Rias Gremory™ [Devil King]: 4.11 maybe?

Skyline✔: try http://scrap.tf/keys , i don't need keys mate

downvote. has 118 keys in his bp. do you remember when keys did cost 2.33 ref? Peperidgefarm Remembers!

seriously, you try to push this one hard up. checked the prices and everything is currently in the range. its obvious mate, you are just pushing the prices hard.

a key suggestion got accepted with op owning 1000 keys, so amount owns doesn';t matter

Oh lord. Do you remember when gas was 3 cents per gallon? My grandfather does. My uncles still talk about how furious he was gas went up to 4 cents per gallon.

FUCK OFF! NOONE HAVE KEYS IN TF2..... DONT DO THAT :( last year it worth 2.33-2.66 and it is 4.44 and his price is up and up. dont do that .

almost 500,000 people have keys.. this is not a valid argument

2 weeks ago 520,000 people had keys and there are 100,000+ buds. Anyway let the guy talk about the good old days. It gives his comfort. Remember when gas was 3 cents? Consumables will always go up.... because they're consumed. Non consumables will always go down. That's why I can buy a $50 flat screen monitor on sale.

No one has keys? Then what the hell are we arguing over? People trying to buy an imaginary item that will never exist for higher and higher?

Keys don't go higher and higher.... ref goes lower and lower. Yet the basic price of hats still stays the same because it costs 3 ref to make a hat or 2 hats to make a new hat.

Wow,keys have turned into a giant sh*tstorm.I feel bad for both sides-The owners getting verbal abuse while the accusers have key prices inflating like crazy.I feel bad for you man,no one should be insulted like that for no reason.

I like people like you, you are not controlled by your feelings.

i hate people like this, who contribute well to the suggestions and community and then are complete dicks and treat the community like they are beneath them or something.

Lolwhat

Did you even read what the people wrote to me?

They say they are sick of me, come with irrelevant arguments (he ownz 118 key obvvious manpulator, etc.). They tell me to fuck off, that I should die and that I'm ruining the whole market.

They insult me for no reason, I respond with sarcasm to show them their own stupidity, but they still don't get it and are even more rude..

No, no no no.

I can discuss if the opposite is friendly, but not this way.

I like whenever keys go up or buds go down. It creates such a talking point. Nothing else seems to consistently get people talking as much.

this suggestion - 9001 downvotes... still gonna get accepted

STOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPP RAISINGGGGGGGG THEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKINGGGGGGGGGGG PRICEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The 4.44 ref part of the range is under some contention, as demonstrated by ocolus. It appears finance's time above 4.33 was a brief fluctuation and it has since been holding in current range.