Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.22–4.44 ref

From this:

- 32 ref from "9MIG | Billy'", he got 0 keys from Lupah! (- Not from key selling?)

- 4 new ref from 3 individual person each. (3x4) (Didn't check them, since this is under even the current price.)

- From others got max. 1-2 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9610099

b/o: 4.55

"a few people added for b/o"

- Stiltefied - 0.33 metal in his bp, 0 new item, no proof for sold keys...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792399

"b/o: 4.55

sold 3 keys"

- Rain* - 0 metal in his bp!!!! 0 new item, also "This post was hidden by the trade owner." No proof for succesfull trades.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9728916

"b/o: 4.66

rejected offer of 13 ref for 3 keys -- 4.33 each"

- homunculus - No proof for sold keys at 4.44, or higher. 41.44 new ref, 9 new keys

From this:

- 8 new ref from "[INSEGA] Hunter S. Batman", none of "Batman"'s keys came from homunculus. (- Not from key selling?)

- 5 new ref from "SP | pasikonik", none of "SP | pasikonik"'s keys came from homunculus. (- Not from key selling?)

- 12 new ref from "Blastiant", he got 3 keys from homunculus! (Sold 3 keys for 4 ref each!?)

- 9.11 ref from ZyGeKaS, he got 2 keys from homunculus! (So sold 2 keys for 4.55 <-- Only this one ok.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9775520

b/o: 4.55

"added for 3 keys

a few offers of 4.33 each"

- Spangla - Have no proof for 4.44-4.55 sold keys, 0 new ref. The guy who added him for 3 keys have 0 keys, 0 metal. The latest offer from Juicy Jew who added for 1 key, got 1 key from him, but Spangla have only 4.11 ref from Juicy Jew! (Sold for 4.11? So not valid proof.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9765157

"b/o: 4.66

4.33"

- KTKTKTKTKTKTKT - 4.33 as an offer, is in the current range. 4.66 B/O doesnt't mean anything without succesfull trade. Have 5.66 new ref, and plenty of new keys.

From this:

- 2.33 from Mr. Watch, the others are not even reach 2 ref. (No proof for succesfull trade.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9752038

"a few offers of 4.33 each"

- [KeKi] LE GREE B> CHEAP UNUSUAL! - Just as above, "4.33 as an offer, is in the current range." He doesn't have any price for keys!!!! Have only 3 ref, none of them are new.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9063477

"b/o: 4.66

sold out"

- Tobo995 - 0 key, and 0 ref in his bp at all!!! Dont have any new item. Opened: (4 weeks ago) Most likely he changed his price during this time.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8799933

"b/o: 4.44

sold 56"

- Zaimon - 20.88 new ref, 1 new key, 1 new TC

From this:

- 20 new ref from ≈☯ Chris10 ☯≈, he got 8 new keys from Zaimon. (Something seems wrong, thats 2.50 ref each.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9745935

"b/o: 4.55

sold 10"

- <|S-B [1]|>JunnyTheAssBunny (Be) - Current stock: 0, 0 new ref, No proof for any succesfull trades.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9583543

"b/o: 4.55

a few people added for b/o

rejected offer of 4.33"

- trolly trolly' - B/O already changed to 4.66, 0 new ref, No proof for succesfull trades.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9148728

"b/o: 4.55

added for b/o"

- In Somalia - Have 4 ref, 0 of them are new. Added for "which" B/O? (Updated the price many times.) The guy who "added" him have 0 keys, and only 1 ref in his bp. 0 new item.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9476284

"b/o: 4.44

sold 97"

- Ice Cube - "NOT SELLING ATM***CHECK BACK LATER" "sold: 97" - his whole bp not worth 97 keys... 26 keys and 8.44 ref in his bp, 0 of them are new. 0 new item. Non donator, have only TF2 as a game, (and played NS2 during the free weekend.) 35.7 hrs / 122 hrs of TF2. (Fake trade? Idler alt. acc? Fake number of sold keys?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9599602

"b/o: 4.55

a few people added for b/o"

- [cFc] GameOverGR - 0 key in his bp! 56 new ref, 6 of them from "Capt. Chriztian". (He didn't got any keys, so not for keys.) Others from many other person (doesn't reach 4 ref/person), and from [CTS Bot] Klaus the Keybanker --> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8369579 (4.33!)

The guys who added him (in comments):

Juicy Jew: Have 0 key from him

Roiu: Have 0 key in his bp, and have only 2.33 ref (Also his account a bit strange, looks like an idler alt acc. But have some other game: arma2 CO, cs:s, gmod and terraria too, have only 43.7 hours from all his game, from the 43.7 hours, 39.6 from tf2.)

MysteriousGreen: Have 0 key in his bp, only 3.66 ref in his bp. No new item.

ωυ.Snowflake: 0 key in his bp, have 16.77 ref in his bp but he commented 3 days ago.

Vain: 1 key in his bp, but not from him. Only 2.11 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9791875

"buying for 4.22 and no offers"

- Xandre - Opened: (7 hours ago) <-- Too new for a buyer trade.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9544569

"buying for 4.22, got an offer of 4.33"

- 88poptart88 - Rejected the offer of 4.33.. Also, both 4.22 and 4.33 in the current range!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9744557

"buying for 4.33"

- NMGod [Buying keys 4.33 ref] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE!] 2 new keys, Not sure for what he got them.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9622894

"buying for 4.33"

Колёк - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE!] (Rejected 4.44)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9790906

"buying for 4.33"

- Jankov91 - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE!]

Did anyone notice the the sudden rise of the volume of keys along with the price? Since the bulk trades count only as 1 sold key in the price, bulk trades couldn't influence the price. The only explanation could be a bunch of (from 40 to 100 trade) 1 key trade at a high price. (4.44, or higher).

I've had some suspicions about it. The price has gone up so much and keeps changing so quickly, it's not difficult to question whether the rapid changes accurately reflects the market's desire to buy or sell keys for metal. I believe it's safe to say that the market presence of key sellers and buyers (including resellers) have greatly diminished to what it used to be a few months ago. Imagine how a few hundred sales can affect the market now than back then, if all this is true of course.

i am also highly suspicious of the trading volume as reported by tf2finance. i haven't seen volume like this in a very long time. not saying tf2finance is wrong, but that something strange is going on.

You know people trade... right

so items may not always be in their bp at the exact time

That's why I checked those items, which seems like they got recently. And check the previous owners' bp aswell.

Recently I've only been coming to key suggestions just to see ocolus's comment.

Ocolus

The only guy who actually backs up the key not rising correctly

Thanks, now the key will be like before.

Back in my days... :3

Sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9779574 4.66 - two adds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9790765 4.66 - sold one

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9737710 4.55 - "12 keys please"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9164282 4.55 - many adds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9618121 4.55 - many adds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9759413 4.55 - an add

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9687849 4.55 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8287902 4.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9799264 4.55 - sold at least four

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9737137 4.55 - sold one

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9148728 4.55 - a recent add

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9692195 4.50 - two adds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9746925 4.44 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8747174 4.44 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8087505 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9801819 4.33 - sold all in less than 40 minutes (trade is still open)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9452806 offer of 4.33 (twice)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9765157 offer of 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9465981 offer of 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792399 offer of 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792514 offer of 4.33

Buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9638057 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8087505 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9164282 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792604 4.33

will post more.

Sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9779574 4.66 - two adds - Asian Dementia - Reselling in the same thread, selling for 4.77 (I guess he updated the price.) Only 2 ref in his bp. No new ref, no new item. None of those 2 guys bought any

key from him atm. StarLight | 1 Scrap Sell Essence wanted all the 21 keys which the OP has, and he still has them.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9790765 4.66 - ApocalypticApple - (When, for who, and for how much?) No new ref, but 9.33 ref in his bp, probably. (Item history shows "Unknown" as the previous owner, so cant check it.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9737710 4.55 "12 keys please" - homunculus - [b][DUPLICATED TRADE] OP already linked his 4.66 thread, good to know he has 2x key selling thread.. Also, checked KingOfHeart's keys, and didn't saw any key which was

homonculus's.

From OP's proof:

"- homunculus - No proof for sold keys at 4.44, or higher. 41.44 new ref, 9 new keys

- 9.11 ref from ZyGeKaS, he got 2 keys from homunculus! (So sold 2 keys for 4.55 <-- Only this one ok.)"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9164282 4.55 - many adds - TrueFire - reselling in the same thread, but sold keys for at least 2 person, so OK. (One of them bought 1, didn'nt count the other, but 3+)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9618121 4.55 - many adds - Belial - Sold for 3-4 buyer. OK

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9759413 4.55 - an add - Adfred - The guy who added him didn't buy any (atm.). Also, no sign of succesfull sells.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9687849 4.55 - out of stock - ..::Kent Kanobe::.. - Sold at least 1 key, OK

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8287902 4.55 - (-(-_-)-) - Reselling in the same thread, no new ref, no sign of any sold keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9799264 4.55 - sold at least four - -pg- spentagon - Trade closed, but yes. OK

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9737137 4.55 - sold one - Kellahaleen - No proof of sold key. (He also buying a lot of strange for keys.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9148728 4.55 - a recent add - In Somalia - [DUPLICATED LINK] - Op already linked:

"- In Somalia - Have 4 ref, 0 of them are new. Added for "which" B/O? (Updated the price many times.) The guy who "added" him have 0 keys, and only 1 ref in his bp. 0 new item."

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9692195 4.50 - two adds - eventhorizon - Only have 1 (new) key in his bp, and 0.55 ref. None of those 2 adds have keys from him.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9746925 4.44 - out of stock - UK | The British Baron - "out of stock"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8747174 4.44 - out of stock - мαנσя Trevor McDavidson - "out of stock"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8087505 4.44 - Good Morning Vietnam! - "You must pay a one-time fee of 0.22 pure to buy/sell keys to me."

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9801819 4.33 - sold all in less than 40 minutes (trade is still open)[b] - ☁Shałfey [Реф 10wmr] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] - Still have 2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9452806 offer of 4.33 (twice) - Winston Smith - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9765157 offer of 4.33 - KTKTKTKTKTKTKT - [DUPLICATED LINK] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] - Op already linked

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9465981 offer of 4.33 - [(□)]>>jarvislee - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792399 offer of 4.33 - Rain* - [DUPLICATED LINK] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] - Op already linked

"- Rain* - 0 metal in his bp!!!! 0 new item, also "This post was hidden by the trade owner." No proof for succesfull trades."

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792514 offer of 4.33 - [POL] Domino - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] --> This not a key seller trade...

Buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9638057 4.44 - Lixzc` as FokVest. - Reselling in the same thread, only 0.77 ref in his bp! (Bought 2 keys?)[/b]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8087505 4.44 - Good Morning Vietnam! - [DUPLICATED LINK] Same as above. Reseller. ("You must pay a one-time fee of 0.22 pure to buy/sell keys to me.")

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9164282 4.33 - [b]TrueFire - [DUPLICATED LINK] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] - Reseller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9792604 4.33 - Ayab - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] - Reseller

This is the holy prophet sent to us to study in-depth the crap people don't read into but post as proof anyway. I thank you, ocolus, for all the time you spend weeding out the BS that people put in here.

I call for Ocolus to be our newest admin.

I sold like 6 keys for 4.33... i think The keys are going up a scrap x week ._.

Who will ever buy your keys if they will reach 9219582198578192 ref genius?

Scrap.tf buys at 4.22 and they still have people selling to them, these are screen caps I took since yesterday:

https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3tg11/4kg0

https://www.diigo.comh/item/image/3tg11/wm8x

https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3tg11/inow

Selling at 4.00 while this suggestion was active

https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3tg11/38g6

Selling at 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9807144#/34191154

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9815685 - 4/4/2013 https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3tg11/tq6h

I bought at 4.33 in about 5 mins.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9785439

I only started putting this together since yesterday, and I didn't put in that much effort. People still trade in the current range, the price therefore should not rise.

This again? The last attempt to raise the price of keys failed with this exact range. Although I can see why you'd want to raise the prices, given you own 11 keys yourself.

The amount of stupidity in keysuggestions is too damn high..

own 11 keys, insta long v2

because the fact that he has 11 keys makes his proof non-existant, right?

Obviously the proof is existent, that doesn't mean counter-proof is non-existent, as proved by Ocolus. The fact that he has 11 keys gives him motivation to WANT to raise the price of keys. Hence the "research" he did, in order to try and raise the price.

I feel like you need a lot more proof than this. oh and please edit your proof and then just save, gets you rid of the extra spaced. and we need way more proof of unsuccesful 4.22 buyers

blah blah blah comment comment comment key key key very very very big big big o god big big ig high prices prices ahah rumble rumble o god minus

hidden after 4 minutes, you've got to be a new record

This is right ^

There aren't as many key buyers nowadays as there used to be. Wouldn't surprise me that a couple hundred sales have a considerable impact on the key market now than a couple of months ago.

Seems like there is more than ever to me, people realising how easy it is to make money off flipping keys, saturating the market and forcing people to buy at higher values to compete. I think it is less people willing to sell than buying and i imagine that where there use to be a few people who bought keys in the 100's-1000's there are now lots buying 10-100 at a time. Although i have no idea what the market was like more than a few months ago.

Honest question. How are u profiting off of keys if they are constantly rising?

1) Keys are 3.11-3.22 ref.

2) Let's say I buy for 3.11 ref and sell for 3.33. I make a 2 scrap profit per key.

3) Now keys have gone up to 3.22-3.33.

4) I buy them at 3.22 ref and sell for 3.44 ref. I make a 2 scrap profit. When actually, I made a 1 scrap profit because one of the scraps I made in step 2 is used to pay for the key I am buying in step 4.

Someone who is profiting chime in and explain it to me please. That's another reason why I don't screw with selling/buying keys. Seems like a lot of wasted time when you could be making better trades.

Well, you just need to buy keys with your refined before the price goes up again. If I don't do it in time, then I just buy random items for refined and sell them for keys.

They try to hog all the keys they can right before the price goes up. Once the price goes up, they can start immediately selling for higher prices.

So instead, I buy them for 3.11 in step 2, keep those keys, and sell them for 3.44 in step 4, thereby making a slightly higher profit.

There's plenty of buyers in terms of resellers, which your comment refers to. In terms of actual consumers, I have little faith they represent anywhere near the market presence they used to have.

Wow people are still buying keys with metal..

No shit. People will ALWAYS buy keys with metal, because thats what you get when you idle: Metal (and yes, the occasional hat or misc)

It amazes me how people would dislike this comment because he's just stating the truth - people buy keys with metal all the time.

However, that idling bit makes it sound like everyone idles just to get some extra metal to eventually buy keys. That's only half-true because not everyone idles.

nonononononoNO it DOSENOT need to go UP a-FUCKING-gain. i despise this with all my heart.

i agree with you. i hate the key prices. aahhhh i remember when it was 2.55 ref… this was the best time of my life.

ill buy all your keys for 2.55 each

got none because there too damn expensive

What, now you're not able anymore to buy bread and water?

if all votes on key increasing passed all the time, Buds would be the cost of a 300,000 dollar house in real life. NO MORE INCREASES!

That would be cool.

From the time keys were 2.55 to the time keys increased to 4.22 buds have not changed much in price..like $1. So where's your logic coming from?

Keys aren't rising, metal is dropping!

Another change by one scrap post by thermal, keys are over inflated enough and unless we lock the price of these this vicious cycle is going to continue. Not that long ago keys were rested at 2.44 for a long time and then eventually they moved to 2.55, people disagreed with that at the time and now look. We are locked in a vicious cycle of raising key prices just so they can be sold for a bit more and then raised again. Te current economy is being destroyed and dealing with keys is becoming more and more expensive and is leading to the destruction of this economy compared to that of 2011/early 2012 which was reasonably stable and people could safely buy and sell using keys knowing a week later its price wouldn't rise by a ref or two.

You know, I'm getting tired of this "old-man" rant. I call it "old-man" because that's what people are sounding like.

"Eh, you youngin's got it rough nowadays. Why, back in my day, keys were 2.33 refined metal!"

I'm not trying to say the key price going up is right or good, but I'm not going to go on like an old-man about how keys were so much cheaper two years ago.

You may be getting tired of this rant, I'm getting tired of keys becoming over priced. The newbies do have more trouble now days as new folks can't even afford keys, I don't buy them anymore, it does not make sense, the only thing that rises is keys no other items, which puts the case of ref coming down in money value as an invalid argument as nothing else changes from it. People are just manipulating the price and it is silly that so many still up-vote these sorts of things.

Blame resellers. If anyone is manipulating the markets, it's the resellers. I don't see the point anyway, it's only 1 or 2 scrap of profit.

right price, but worst proof ever

Bad proof is better than no proof at all, though.

Not really, because the suggester waisted their own time on top of ours. No proof, it's just ours. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Pmg3BxCCM

ez gud sheep, gud sheep follow gud prizes we are all gud gud sheep.

Good sheep. Be cheap.

scrap.tf raised the price to this range. Inflation will never stop, you just have to learn to live with it. Maybe if valve would give Refined more of a purpose other than expensive crafting it wouldn't be such a problem. But as it is, there's absolutely no reason to keep Refined Metal in your backpack. Trade for something with a dollar value as soon as you can.

LOL PEOPLE ARE SELLING @ 5 REF ALREADY

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9797509

SO FUNI LEL

SO FUNNY

/10characters

Stop complaining about keys rising and just stop buying them with metal. Sooner or later people will stop buying with metal altogether and they'll drop, but buying keys at these ridiculous prices is WHY they're rising.

Upvoted btw, nice proof. An example of what I'm talking about.

problem is, hardly anyone buys keys, same like 200 people buying higher, raising prices.

And those specific 200 *cough* are the people I'm talking about.

what is this

- 20 new ref from ≈☯ Chris10 ☯≈, he got 8 new keys from Zaimon. (Something seems wrong, thats 2.50 ref each.)

yeah something seems wrong, items can be traded in the meanwhile?!?!?

Posted it on the wrong place, so reposted above!

I tried to find those "lost refs", but couldn't find anywhere.

That's why I checked all his new stuff, like the new TC. But didn't find any ref at the previous owner of TC. Or at least none of the refs had Chris's name in the item history. And the other stuffs (not new) seems like he got earlier. (At least no items in the first 3 page of his inv, except the refs.)

Anyway, we don't know for how much he sold the keys. So it can't be a valid proof in this form, until someone proves how much he sold those keys.

Note: Interesting, "key risers" always argument on the smallest details?.. Do you think I wrote the "something seems wrong" part, because I really think he sold for 2.50?... or what?.. Anyway, strange to see that one of the "key risers" finally tried to argue with me.

Note: Interesting, "key risers" always argument on the smallest details?

"smallest detail" when all your "counterproof" is based on the metal contained in people's backpack.

I'm not a "key riser" (what is that?), I'm only trying to support this suggestion because current price is inaccurate, sales at 4.44 ref and above are already happening.

sorry for my bad english.

How else could you prove that they really did the trade? With the comments? While a lot of people spam their offer to multiple key trades? ("Already bought from else, sry" etc.)

Still better than the proofs based on the "added" comments... Meanwhile they don't have ref, key, or any VALUABLE ITEM in their bp...

Also, if someone sells keys for metal, then they should have metal in their bp after a succesfull trade, don't you think? Unless they trade them away, but that's why I checked the other items at the top of their bp, (not the new items) which ones seems they got recently. (You know, the "new items" always goes on the first page of the bp, if it has enough free slot. So usually page 1-3. Only a few people sort them.)

But you don't have to believe me, you can always check them yourself.. (I guess not even the suggester did himself.)

"I'm not a "key riser""

You suggested multiple key suggestion (if im right), and always try to argue with the people who disagree with the current suggestion. Not only you, long, and the other "usual key suggestors" aswell. (Always the same 5-6 person try to rise it with the reason of "reflect the current market prices". With bunch of old/bad argument.) That's why I called you "key riser". Sry but more fitting for you than the "NO MOAR KEY RISE" commenters, aka "key whiners".

Current price is inaccurate? Interesting, all the time finance rise 0.5-1 scrap, someone immediately make a new suggestion. While finance stats clearly show with the low demand of keys (daily 250 keys being sold) only a few trade can fluctate it pretty easily. And thanks to the low sells, much easier to manipulate +/- the price. (Note: the volume changes drastically most of the time when the price rising, you can check yourself. It is pretty interesting, don't you think? *CONSPIRACYY*)

Or why do you think the current price is inaccurate? Because of the "added" comments?... The only "90% valid" proof would be screenshots of the inventory histories. There have to be still 4-4.11-4.22 trades aswell, but you know, "invisible trades" not count as proofs. Finance is atm. more unstable than the real price of the keys, and I think someone with a bunch of alt account, or a smaller group could easily take advantage of its system. (If there would be thousands of keys being sold daily instead of 200~, than manipulating would be much harder.)

4.44 trades and above could be happening, but in my opinion still not the average.

Anyway, OP's proofs were horrible. If the admins won't close/accept this suggestion too early, then I will check your proofs a bit later aswell.

- Same for my poor english, not my native language. -

While finance stats clearly show with the low demand of keys (daily 250 keys being sold) only a few trade can fluctate it pretty easily.

there are so many wrong arguments in your comment

time to go bed and hide

Care to explain? Thats all you have?

Between 29. Mar - 30. Mar: ~290 keys

Between 30. Mar - 31. Mar: ~320-330 keys

Between 31. Mar - 1st Apr: ~265 keys

Between 1st - 2nd Apr: ~290-300 keys

Between 2nd - 3rd Apr: ~200 keys

Reason TF2Finance is at 4.35: price manipulators with 100's of alts are trading keys to their alts for high prices that are still in the range to be counted.

Reason OP is full of highballs that sold: there are always idiots. I saw people buying keys for 5 refined, simply because they had lots of metal. My brother has sold keys for 4.66 when they were still 3.88

Reason there are buyers at 4.33: because they can do what I listed above.

Metal isn't even going down that much. It's price is going down because of keys going up. Why? Because everyone thinks the inverse is true, and they say key price in $ / metal = metal price in $.

Also, the vicious cycle. Everyone dismisses it as bullshit (thanks a lot base64), but after seeing everything happen in first person, I know how it works. It is actually real. There is just enough idiots that don't look further than the first page or post they see.

Anyways, I want to stop this stupid crap as soon as possible!

Peace!

-RC

TF2Finance is at 4.35: price manipulators increased the price- finance is bad!

TF2Finance is at 4.25: price decreased! - finance is good!

"TF2Finance is at 4.35" - Sudden rise at the volume of keys, along with the rise of the key prices... (fishy)

"TF2Finance is at 4.25" - Slowly decreasing key price (from the previous "sudden rise"), with a pretty "average" volume of keys.

price decreased????? when?

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

the chart.

oh, i thought you were talking about bp.tf price decreasing based on finance. which clearly it will never do (we were into the 4.08 range last week briefly, below the 4.11 low)

Yesterday, or monday(not sure) decreased back to 4.26, from 4.33 or ~4.34.

This price means little truthfully, your already hard pressed to find a 4.33 Key on outpost. This will just cause more 4.66 and higher Keys, Enjoy your over 5 Ref Keys for Christmas.

Lol price goes up a scrap or two EVERY week. X mas gonna have some of those 6 Ref Keys

More like 5 ref keys before April ends

Upvoted since a ton of people buy them at 4.33 even at .44 sometimes. But guys, this is getting ridiculous. BP sets the price to 4.11, assholes sell for 4.22. BP sets the price to 4.22 people sell it for 4.33. BP has become the price catalogue people use to fortify their sky high key prices. BP sets the value, sellers go a tad bit above it, bp fixes the price, sellers go a bit above that. Rinse and repeat 20 times... It's a vicious circle. This crap has to stop. Keys have gone 2x in price in 2 months...

And they are doing literary nothing about it.

The thing is, there is no "they". The tf2 community makes the prices, the buyers and the sellers. As long as people buy keys for insane prices, the prices will go up. There is no way to organize a boycott of the whole key trade since no one can affect 1000s of people. It's like saying hey guys dont buy petrol so the prices start going down. The only thing that can be done by the community and this site in particular is setting a fixed key price of, say 3 ref. Or maybe gradually decreasing the price a scrap at a time. I know this goes against the whole purpose of the site, but then again people using the site as a trading bible and an excuse for their insane prices isnt fair either.

TL;DR: bp.tf admins should gradually set the key prices to something lower so people dont have an excuse for selling them at insane prices

Didn't even really read your TL;DR, by they I meant, backpack.tf, so there is a they.

There is nothing they can do. The sites just shows the current price. If the suggester proves that people are successfully selling for higher, then they have to update the price. If they changed the price based on what the community wanted, then, that would ruin the point of this site, and it'll be just like tf2spreadsheet. The only way the price will go down is if people stop buying keys for these insane prices, but that won't happen, as keys are pretty much the most important thing in this economy. You can get anything with keys. And it's pointless to complain about this. If there is good proof, and no one provides any counter proof, sadly, the price will continue to rise.

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/key

'nuff said.

There's a guy that wants 3 craft hats. That's 4 refined, if I'm not mistaken.

I've got 57 refined, and I'm buying keys for 4.44 refined each: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9361056

If 4.44 refined isn't in the range, why do I still have refined? (I started buying for this price yesterday)

Sold out of refined now.

no god please no

NO keys can not rais in price even more!!! I mean fore quite a while ago it was about 2+ that was to little but I think that the price chould have stayed on 4

Keys are actually super cheap to get as long as you use items and not metal.

If the seller is a total gimp and doesn't know the value of those items lol.

dont tell me key prices are going up again. its been rising, inflating simply because people are too lazy to hunt around for PROPER DEALS :(

then traders just want to sell stuff at a profit, so nobody can buy at a half-decent price... meh

People complain about key prices yet they pay it.

Thus making keys go up

Well to be fair, the ones complaining aren't the ones buying.

And you being inappropriate does what exactly?

I think it's more disappointing that someone liked this comment, nullifying my dislike.

clearly saves the economy

GAWD YOU SHULD NO THAT!

hey people. let the key market cool for a bit. stop making key suggestions every day. jesus christ.

This website is way behind. On average traders are paying 4.55 for keys, only the lowballs who resell keys are buying for less.

sooooooooo, should we still delete our metal?

(also did you beat jump_beef as engie? tf2 crashed for me)

If there's no metal left to buy keys, how can anyone pay the prices?

Delete 20,000 refined should bring it down.

Didn't beat it yet..think I'll try again solo.

king of hears, 4.55 ref per key lol.

stop being greedy and sell at the price keys are at

???

why should I sell keys for metal though?

At most I like to keep a few refined in my backpack for those large traders that want change. So I sell like 1 key every few weeks.

and people should stop being greedy and overpricing their keys. but where did u get the 4.55 from lol

Someone offered metal as part of their payment for my strange sapper. They agreed to pay me 4.55 per key, so I had no problems buying keys for the same price.

Whenever I decide to accept metal instead of keys, I get rid of the metal..if I can't find the price I want, I will easily pay a scrap more just to get rid of it.

There's a whole trading world besides keys to metal and metal to keys you know ;)

one person =/= whole market.

why do you sell your keys for metal then? profit? need some change?

You craft it? O.o

i dont. i stock up my keys. occasionally i buy items with my keys to gain a profit. sometimes i need metal, so i sell 1 key

oh really?

PEOPLE...

WHY WE DON'T MAKE PRICE SUGGESTION ABOUT 50 REFINED???...

AND STOP MAKING THIS SHITTY SUGGESTIONS WHERE KEY GO ONLY UP.....

STOP MAKING THIS. PEOPLE WHO MAKING THIS IS BORED AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WELL THEY MAKE KEY HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER....

...k

Scrap.tf has keys for sale at 4.44

Too early man

STAHP TRYING TO BRING THEM UP IN PRICE! D:

He's got a point, a month ago it was 3.66 ref

4 ref was an outrage, ive seen people try to get 5 ref for them its complete bullshit

hell I'd be happy with 3.66 at this point >_>

Halloween 2013

suggested price: 12.66 ref current price: 12.44

seen people selling this high

1: finance

2: (link to outpost)

3.66 ref is fine, there is a lot of keys around, some servers are still saying only sell keys for 3 to 3.55 ref

if people keep putting it up in price then the economy will crash

Has anyone here noticed a pattern here, that key suggestions are not made unless the key seller's beloved tf2finance posts over what is suggested as the "low price"?

I smell a rat.

I agree keys should go up. I just sold 3 for 5 ref EACH http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n517/HeroSoulEater/Ref_zps9cd168b3.png

i see in some months or at the end of the year keys will be around 10 refined if this inflatin doesnt stop.

oh man... THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!! :DDD

ez gud deel yes?

stop rising!!!

Great more key shit. always going up by a scrap each week

a key price aday keeps the F2ps away

OMG I love this!

Higher key prices DRIVE players away. Less people coming in = less people playing tf2 = the game eventually dies because of 14 year old morons on outpost making people pay through the nose for keys.

blame all the idlers then..they don't even give f2p much of a chance as they use all their idled metal to buy keys at whatever price

Yeah, blame the idlers who think that this is bullshit as well. You are blaming the wrong people for this. Idlers are not the problem. Losers who want to see their backpack value rise by $5 for keys are the problem.

How is it rising? Keys haven't rose in price..it's been $1.25 - $1.50 for more then a year

METAL, dummy. They are rising in METAL value, even though less than 500 keys are being sold per day now.

Erm, you don't need Keys to play the game.

Making items unaffordable in game kills the market and drives players away from the game.

Why not play stock then?

For Fucks sake another one again iz just 5 days after last, come on I HATE YOU PEOPLE WHO TRIES TO BE GREEDY WITH KEYS!!!

lol

if people are willing to pay more for key, then key rise.

unfair... key will be like 6-7 ref in f uture...i bet :(

I would bet...

But I never bet on sure things.

it worrries me that this guy has 11 keys in his backpack

bro, http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513f98eeba25366418000006

11+49

/10 char

i think it should be 4.11-4.33

Nice 15+/- Links for changing the main currency of tf2. obviously thats enough.

The best thing about price manipulation is those types of people who do that will make the tux be expensive, and I have 9 of those :-)

You're dreaming if you think the Tux is going to be worth more than 2 Ref.

It wont be buds, but I'm sure it will be a few keys...

SOON KEYS WILL BE AS MUCH AS THEY ARE AT THE MANN CO. STORE

TF2 ECONOMISTS, DONT LET THIS HAPPEN

3 ref should be good . So it would be easier for us to buy keys and everything shouldn't be high . Just normal like 1.33 = hat .

its rly hard even to buy at 4.33 c: took me 1 day till i get one key with 4.33 D:

Let's have half the people complain about the keys raising and instadownvote (let's face it, though, it's not like the votes matter much on these suggestions. Mods go out of their way to hunt down proof to either destroy or reconfirm the suggestion).

A good fourth will side with the suggestor and give GOOD reasons why price should raise (none of this "oh because of xxxxxx or xxxxxx and/or xxxxxx". They're rising because they're rising).

A good fourth that are against the suggestor will actually bring GOOD arguements to the table stating why this suggestion is bad (see first comment for an example)

But back on topic. Ocolus keeps bringing up good points that the proof here is almost as good as nothing at all. I'm also not seeing much /good/ proof that price should rise other than the fact that resellers exist. Will give it another good hour of sifting before I make my (downvote) call.

If this doesn't get accepted, I'l search for a ton of proof of sellers who are successful at 4.44+ Ref.

I already expected you to xD

I expected long, duh D:

lol its getting out of control

I remember the time when keys were just 2.33~2.66 ref...

Can we get a damn waiting period of like 6 weeks before any new key price suggestions.

STOP INCREASING THE FUCKING PRICE EVERY FUCKING FIVE DAYS. GODDAMNIT.

That's why I don't buy keys with refined anymore.

how about no :D downvote

The funny part I don't get is that most of these traders actually mention on the trade "buying at 4.22 and selling at 4.44".

WTF is that ?? this should not be seen in a healthy market. This is exactly why market price keeps rising every 2 days.

The reason peapLe are nOt sellng for loWer is because unless thEy bought the keys themselves with something called, eR what was it again? Oh ya MONEY! They HAVE to buy them for 4 ref because the seller more likely then not, will be selling at that price, and to get ANY profit they HAVE to sell it for HIGHER, thus making the price go higher. "You cant dig yourself out of a hole, you'll just get deeper in shit" remember that. We need to start a key strike, where as we REFUSE to buy them or sell them for any more than 2.33-2.66, anyone agree? Because I think its a genius idea. Also anyone notice that 90.91% of his proof is on tf2outpost?(yes that's the actual %) I hope you all have a good fucked up day in tf2 trading trying to sell keys for an outrageous price. GOOD MOTHER FUCKING DAY.

ps: If you read over again you will find there is a secret message in there that I put in.

i think that keys will go down soon, as people start crafting hats because its cheaper than getting keys, and therefore, countering the inflation that caused the key price to go down. i expect a slow decline once the price hits 5 ref.

you can trade for a craft hat for 1.33 - 2 ref on average..it takes 3 ref/2 craft hats to make a new hat.

WHy would we craft?

come on, don't you think these are inflated enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshkO8HqQ10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_xjBAd5G84

lol

/10 char

If nobodys post in a trade, that doesn't mean we don't have interested ppl in the trade, in my post:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9763581

i don't have any reply in my post but i have bought 12 key in 1 day, proof:

http://imgur.com/WspR28q,WAKE5wR,gF7k5Yw#0

Im tired of see a key suggestion every day, if finance changes from 4.33 to 4.36:

INCOMING KEY SUGGESTION! come on... let the key price stay atleast for a week, is the reason that the keys doesn't have STABILITY in the prices!

Although I agree with taking the hands off of the Key price, I think that it also should be reasonable that a trade with offers should be provided as proof. It keeps things public enough and easy enough for BPTF. Also, there are certain photoshoppers who can make their trade history look like art. Not saying anyone is doing it, but it might happen.

This is a bad idea! We must advocate for trade cheaper!

When will the line be drawn from a real, reasonable price from everyone else slowly raising the price because everyone else is?

My name is Hipster FlutterTree and I support the "Keys are too damn high!" party.

We should stop touching this price for a while.

the price on outpost is completely different. more like 4.44-5 ref. And the price is always going to rise, remember metal is a free currency

I agree with this it should be at least 4.22 - 4.44

*Insert crotchety old man comment* I remember when keys used to be 2.33 ref... damn kids and their internet inflation.

gooby stop

Get rid of ranges in keys, and key resellers should not be counted as proof. It doesn't make sense to have a range on a currency we use. It's like imagine a US dollar bill. It's worth a dollar, 100 cents. Not 98 cents- 101 cents.

I actually feel it has reached equalibrium and would be suspiciuos of any increase suggestion. Downvote

I personally believe this is a more accurate price, but the 4.44 ref point has yet to be properly proven in this suggestion. I could bring in my own proof, but it'd be lost in the clutter and wouldn't be able to go under proper inspection by the community. And, naturally, the votes are against this, so there's no basis for accepting there.

This price is something that needs to be done right from the beginning. Failing that, it's best for this to be closed.