Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.33–4.55 ref

In conclusion, although 4.33-4.44 still achievable, so is 4.55. This is better than the other range because this shown proof of people successfully bought at 4.33.

Don't forget my proof from yesterday suggestion http://backpack.tf/vote/id/515e3c864bd7b82a25000009

Don't bring up unrelated things to stir up the hate because if i don't make key suggestions full with proof, you guys will still see key rise by suggestions with half-ass proof.

LONG NO BAD LONG

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8979775 - YOLO

1 proof link that's a month old? Seems legit

quiet potato boy.

Why do you hate Latvians? You're racist. The potato farming thing is just a way for us to make a living, you know.

xD No I was referring to that post on the last one. I died.

You must thinking this way. Long218 is like rich man in Latvia. He has many potato. Poor potato farmer do not mind him, because is not as greedy as other rich men. One day, potato police come and take his potatoes. Justice? Some would say yes, some would say no. But now he has many potato and cannot sell. Is sad day.

I have only 4 potato. My family is poor and cannot feed the childrens. We need potato. plz banz bad man.

well

that escalated quickly

Mann Co. Light. Here we go.

Eventually I'm just going to use the market ;_; this is too far it's already less that a dollar to the real price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9887083 - TF2Turkiye | EmperoR - [IN CURRENT THE RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916160 sold at 4.33 - KingdomHeartsFM - [IN CURRENT THE RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9830214 add at 4.55 - herrabanani 0.22+ For Vintage - Didn't found any key at those adders from him.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9900617 add at 4.55 - Fagspy - no new ref, but probably 1 key sold to Nikola1898

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9538806 bought some keys at 4.33 - Fribby - Reselling in the same thread [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9781348 add at 4.55 - Explosion - Didn't sell any to that add. No new ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9811137 OOS 4.44 - Panda_For_Sale - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916465 adds at 4.44 - Bane of Rectums - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9802763 add at 4.66 - Fírnen - None of those adds got any key from him. No new ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9897389 add at 4.44 - DEMO - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9788015 add at 4.55 - GamerFlake - None of those adds got any key from him. No new ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9664250 sold at 4.66 - James[Key Banking] - "SOLD OUT AGAIN - NEW STOCK WITHIN TWO HOURS - BOOKMARK" "I Currently Have: 33 Keys." Wut? Keybanker. None of the adds got any key from him, however a lot of new ref at him. (from many people)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916724 sold fast at 4.44 - [dTx] S3OoD22 - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916501 sold fast at 4.44 - {Pᵌ} Vulkan - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916265 sold at 4.33 - [JAG] TASER!!! - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9917288 add at 4.44 - [GROUNDED C YA IN IDK]zlFlamez - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9915729 add at 4.55 [b]- THE Quintar, GOD of all - Didn't sold any key to that add. No new ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9917718 selling at 4.44 - Sgt. Shyguy - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9917742 4.33 - |PoV|Ye†ï.aviʕ•ᴥ• ʔ - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9826974 sold at 4.55 - Fanou Tou Aloniou «!»No Keys«!» - Sold at least 1 key. Ok.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9907340 sold at 4.44 - .:Pyem!N!steR:. - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916662 add at 4.55 - hussle - No key from him at that add. No new ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9873194 sold out at 4.55 - babypauder(대리구매) - "sold out" -> have 12 keys in his bp, no new ref, no proof for any sold key.[/b]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9845617 4.55 - [GWF(TFF)]Prof. TrollDemo Ph.D - Stock:0 Last (auto)bump: 56 minutes ago, 50 new ref from one guy --> 0 key, or any valuable item in his bp. No proof for any sold key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9727601 selling at 4.44 - Dirty Dan - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] (changed his price to 4.55)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9897385 oos at 4.55 - KillerWaffles - 4.22 ref in his bp, + 1.11 untradeable ref, 0 key, no new items. No proof for any sold key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9896146 oos at 4.55 - [CBC] Outrageous™ - No proof for any sold key. "Keys Sold:7" -> His whole bp hardly worth 7 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9696833 oos at 4.55 - Chauncey von Snuffles III - 7 keys in his bp, just not selling them. No new ref, no sign of any sold key. "Sold: 17" Just as above, his whole bp hardly worth that..

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9765157 add at 4.66 - KTKTKTKTKTKTKT - None of the adders bought any. No metal in his bp at all. (Wow, that amount of bills in his bp! Nice!)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9891815 sold a few at 4.66 - I Pro Nova - "9 sold!", 2 ref in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9914014 sold at 4.44 - ANGEL - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE] - BANNED for the following reason: Buying reputation.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9917258 sold at 4.44 - Phantom32123 - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9866349 sold out at 4.55 - Tyye: Please Tell Me to Draw - None of the adds bought any, 0 metal in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9911694 sold at 4.55 - Dogeatdog6 - None of the adders got any key from him. No new ref. Have a few new ref, but none of previous owners gave enough for a key. (not sure in this one)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9885699 OOS at 4.55 - Vesrenth - None of the adders got any key from him. No new ref.

Buyers succeed at 4.33+

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9812714 add at 4.33 - Luma - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9869549 add at 4.44 - Deepthroat12 - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9851302 add at 4.33 - fwg - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9821956 add at 4.33 - p22y - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9754424 add at 4.33 - PandaPaws - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9726957 add at 4.33 - homunculus - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9897476 bought at 4.33 - TraceofCakes - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916005 buying at 4.44 - [Smh] Moustache - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9764827 bought at 4.33 - Swag [Inc] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9878476 bought some at 4.44 - Zeey TF2 TraDer - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9755621 bought many at 4.33 - NatCon - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9901492 bought many at 4.44 - James[Key Banking] - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9816848 sold out at 4.44 - mrpimxx - [IN THE CURRENT RANGE][/b]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9851057 add at 4.55 - ThatOneAwkwardGuy - That add didn't bought any key, not even have enough metal.

Exactly what I was waiting for. With this, I will downvote.

Finance agrees http://tf2finance.com/keys/

Just added the link for the lazy.

i bet people are trading between alts, though

There's no need for alts. The total amount of recent keys being tracked by finance is so small that it doesn't take many successful trades (whether they may be falsified or not) to influence the price. You may want to also notice the recent spike instance of over a 200 key volume for today. This is a blatant outlier from previous records. Whether this is an attempt for manipulation or not, it doesn't matter either way because there just aren't many keys being sold for or bought with metal.

Can keys just stop rising already?

Nope. We will raise prices so high, that metal won't even be worth keeping unless if you do a lot of cheap trades

they already arent

It's only been 1 day. Calm down.

20$ says this will either be declined or approved

but tomorrow another suggestion will be made either way

it's almost as if the price of keys is rapidly changing and people here won't accept anything other than a 0.05 ref increase per suggestion.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18642216/long218%20simulator/lolkeys.html

Why turn your sound up? Am I missing someting?

yeah i couldn't hear nothing

This is playing during the animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbbuaIA3Ds

I like that. I like it alot.

YOU DESERVE A MEDAL BOY ! (Seriusly , he deserves a medal)

Waiting for ironic raising backpack comment

Good proof, upvote

I know this comment is gonna get -60

I predict in a day this suggestion will have -642, just like the keys in his backpack.

It doesn't annoy me so much that the price of keys are going up. It annoys me that in doing so it devalues everything in backpack that gets listed in ref. If this site was actually consistent then everything priced would be listed in keys and then fractioned or decimalised if an item falls below the price of a key.

That would be a solution.... but it'll never happen. :(

My automatic "Rising Key Price" filter downvoted.

Hey, just 1 more scrap and keys will be worth twice as much as they were worth last year.

double the price a year make everyone drown in tears :3

1 scrap at a time...

actually these rise one wep at a time

Didnt you change the prices yesterday long? and it still got accepted even though it got -200 votes....

yea, since I provided proof :)

Regarding your point:

Verb: Any of a large class of words in a language that serve to indicate the occurrence or performance of an action, the existence of a state or condition, etc. In English, such words as run, make, do, and the like are verbs

Regarding the vote:

Credibility: The quality of being believable or worthy of trust

Therefore, The first is not a noun, and the second has no credibility with it having been made by a dealer in carded keys.

Long, why you're not banned from here is beyond me. As said before and I'll say again, something about this really stinks.

Let's keep it civil, please.

Sure civil, as long as you provide proof ;)

HAHAHA.

and what does that have to do with this suggestion.

*talks about Longs bad attitude*

* has the shittiest attitude I've ever seen*

Art thou enraged?

Edit: Davyn's jimmies status = rustled beyond repair

from that whole paragraph, the only thing I can concluded is that you are butthurted because I rised key's price and now you can't afford them.

alright.

should put that as your tl;dr

@Long

So we can safely assume now that all your price suggestions should be thrashed from the start regardless of what you're trying to prove.

no because I still reflect the correct price. hue

I'd rather have a strong economy than "correct prices".

After all, your (Long218) definition of "correct" means "anything favourable to me", and the current prices are sapping the economy dry.

The correct price? You mean the price that children on Outpost are selling for that has and always will be 1-2 scrap higher than whatever price you decide to set it at?

the community sapping the economy dry by paying and selling more and more everyday.

don't blame the messenger.

You aren't the messenger. That's crazy talk from someone that has a messiah complex. Setting the price of keys here directly results in the "community" selling for even higher. Outpost should not be a valid form of proof for keys. In fact, nothing should be. Keys should be a stable, set price. That would save a lot of hassle.

First of all, Long's reputation has nothing to do with a suggestion. It could be him, it could be anyone. A suggestion is reviewed on its own, without taking into account who suggests it, as long as there is good proof. We're not "fucking around" with Long or any carding buddies. I haven't bought a key in a very long time, nor do I plan to.

As for whether the proof is good enough for the suggestion to be accepted, I try to avoid actually pricing keys, because (personally) I am against price increases. However, my personal feelings do not match the market value. I don't benefit whatsoever from price increase

Comments about the price and arguments for or against it are allowed, but please refrain from personal attacks on other users.

"Proven a million times already"

I don't know from where you base that claim. In any case, I'm not going to argue with you. http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/forum/4-team-fortress-2-economy/ There are plenty of topics here dealing with the issue of keys and key pricing, please give them a read before making such remarks.

@shenanigans

Will you keep dismissing that there is in fact a vicious circle between pricing in here and pricing in tf2outpost?

People are still paying these "artificially inflated" prices, so until they hit a wall where they stop paying top dollar the price will continue to rise.

I have not dismissed such a claim. Indeed there is a feedback loop, but such a loop is not solely caused by bp.tf. Look at the price of crate 40s, they rose after they stopped dropping, and now they're decreasing in price again. Anyway, this issue is also in the forums, so I won't argue anything here.

sena is the worst neighbor

how's that for a personal attack

Why would you do this q_q

Market value? There is no market value. The market is and always will be 1-2 scrap higher than whatever is listed on here because people will take advantage of desperate people to make a quick few cents. Keys need to be stabilized to a set price. There is no shortage of keys in the market or overstock of refined metal. There are no supply or demand issues. Everything is just as it always has been for years with the exception of keys being artificially inflated for some ridiculous reason.

You may not be in with his gaggle of back-scratchers, but whoever keeps accepting Long's suggestions despite the obvious outcry of the ACTUAL community (see: over -200 votes on the last key acceptance) certainly deserves to be removed from the administration team.

I don't think the case is that items will always increase in price, for example look at crate 40s and the retired hats, and how they rose then fell in price.

There are topics in the forums that cover this. http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/forum/4-team-fortress-2-economy/ - Please give them a read.

Crate 40 are retired hats had their price rise and spike because they were sudden and new. Hats had never been retired before and it was something that no one had experienced. Some people took advantage of that to set the prices sky high. It happens. However they fell back because it's not like there was any shortage in the market. There are tons of fancy fedoras and football helmets to go around. Same thing for crate 40. It rose because it happened so suddenly. After having been in circulation for nearly a year, there is beyond plenty of crates and the items inside to go around. The sudden price rise was the shock of it actually be discontinued. It stabilized shortly after because, again, there is no shortage.

Keys are inherently different in that they always have and always will be around, and they will always have a use. Their price should be stable, not open for debate by anyone.

a price raise a day keeps the stable prices away.

Votes are now pretty much disregarded on key suggestions now, and rightfully so. It's just butthurt people who didn't buy into keys early enough and missed out on a huge profit.

No, the people voting to reject the price rises are people who do not participate deeply in the economy and only want to be able to buy some nice hats but can't because every time they get enough weapons to craft a reclaimed metal, the price of keys has already risen by that much.

I have plenty of keys and im defiantly not for rising them. There is no real in game profit because almost everything else is losing value, sure you may get more for your key but if you need to buy a key you will be paying more.

Long I know your hoping keys raise in paypal $ at the end of all this.. that's your goal right?..

uh, how does metal losing $ value make key rising in $ value ?

To be honest it doesn't. Unless a point comes where refined is selling and you can't lower the value of it any more. Then what happens.. Keys stop rising in refined? I doubt it.

I just have a hard time understanding your reason for hoarding so many keys since this all started..

The only logical reason I can come up with is profit/investment .. and since there really isn't much profit in just hoarding keys and upping them a scrap a day I came to that conclusion.

Simple. Suggest new price every day, bribe mods into accepting higher price, sell all keys next year

keep accusing lol and you will still have no proof to back it up.

I'm accusing you same way people accuse hitler of the holocaust

eh, did you know the Allies sent in soldiers to take pictures and then sneak out and that was the only reason the allies even know about the holocaust.

I personally doubt if he'd be bribing mods, If keys rise in $ value anyone with a bunch of keys would profit including myself, and I can assure you most of the mods here would more than likely have a bunch keys in their backpacks or somewhere, if not they would have buds.

So long whats your reasoning for hoarding so many keys?

As I said the only logical reason I can come up with is investment..

I personally don't expect you to be honest about it If I'm correct... So its alright you can just ignore my comment if you want, either way I personally couldn't care.

can you sell ref for money?

yes

when a key rises can you sell it for more ref?

yes

can you sell ref for money?

yes

What happened first the chicken? Or the egg?

The first ref lower was under the reason

"to match the new key price"

But shouldn't ref have lowered first?

As long as the bottom stays the same this suggestion is reasonable. People still buy and sell for 4.33 or less.

and tommorow when it gets jacked up to 4.44-4.55 ?

in that case they will pay. as of now they're just getting overcharged. People are even selling in servers (2 or 3 at a time) for 4.33. The people with a lot of keys will always want a bit over market value but if you're willing to buy them a couple at a time you will save money day-to-day.

Ok another key suggustion by long. I would like to say a few things before they get buried under 200+ comments. First can we not have any whining about how long is or might be evil/trade banned/ a scammer/ consistently making these key suggestions? Because it doesn't matter who makes the suggestions even if long was evil and corrupt it doesn't matter. Also please don't complain about how key prices are raising even though the majority of the suggestions have had less upvotes then downvotes. Keys are a currency and backpack.tf has to be accurate on there price in order to operate effectively if they went by what the votes said it would be more then likely wildly inaccurate and useless as a price guide in many areas. Let's try to keep the conversations nice and respectable and sorry about the giant wall of text.

whats the point of voting if you dont care about it?

Yep, my thoughts exactly. People use him as a way to vent their anger because they're butthurt about not investing in keys early enough.

if your gonna increase the price again those sellers will sell the keys at higher price n people will want to increase the price again. stop increasing them prices and stick to around 4 ref.

Just put keys at $1.35 and refines at 1 refined in the value and let the market shit itself out.

s'already fucked, that's the problem.

I bet if bp.tf would list keys as 5.33 today, the motherfuckers would be asking for 5.55 15 mins later.

The question is whether they'd actually sell any for that amount. If I put up a key right now for 4 refined I could probably expect 20 friend requests in 20 minutes, but if I had done that 2 months ago I would have gotten no adds. The difference is that buyers are now willing to pay higher and higher key prices, but the question is where the line will be drawn by the actual people that buy keys for metal on a daily basis. Just some foresight: if I put up a key right now for 5 refined I'd probably not see any adds, but we'll see how well that statement holds up in the months to come.

Upvote for lulz.

Remember when people joked that keys would be 5 refined?

It wasn't that far ago.

bout a month ago I was joking about 4 ref, month before that about 3.66

I actually saw a key at 4 ref back when the price of 3 ref was around.

Everyone laughed at the guy.

It's like that crazy guy in the eighties that said robots would replace DJ's well, whats better today an ipod that picks your songs, or a radio station?

I don't have any links to trades proving I'm right, nor do I have any right to change the price of keys. But for the sake of the TF2 community, bring the prices of keys down for once. Seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if 1 key was 10 ref by next year if prices keep going up.

Long this is you with key suggestions

"You won't get this to pass"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9PpC1QOO8

>mfw bp.tf

>mfw tf finance

>mfw tf outpost

>mfw sop

>mfw spreadsheet

>mfw bazaar

>mfw scrap.tf

>mfw steamrep

>mfw key votes

>mfw everything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXWkFhf3rqM

steamrep? How'd they get in there and not spreadsheet? Spreadsheet is the true one man who had too much power.

Fuck, I forgot to put it

And this guy gets it

Stop-Key-Voting 2013. Mark keys as only real money prices, let the outpost sellers sell for what they want. I guarantee they'll drop in a matter of days.

If they don't you give me your unusual, k?

Them and my love baby~

what about the outpost buyers?

so even though you don't care about tf2's economy and are tradebanned, you're trying to jack up prices for the spite of being tb'd. what a cool guy :)

I'm just posting here because apparently this is the thing cool kids do.

and you donated $13.71 to this site because...?

cod 5 is coming out next summer u wont 2 come 2 my house n play

:o you have 642 keys where did you get all those :ooo

I bought a key yesterday for 4.66, because that was the cheapest suggestion I could find within the first 3 pages, and I didn't want to look any further.

FML. Now I just need to know which suggestion I should confirm. Long himself probably knows the answer to that.

well, although 4.66 is possible, most of the sellers sell at 4.44-4.55 with the occasions at 4.33

Yep, 4.33 is pretty much quicksell nao

Quick Long, take proof from this guy's trade and save it for tomorrow's price suggestion.

by tommorow, 4.66 will be the lower end :P

It's people like you that get taken advantage of and are the driving cause of this loop. The people on outpost know they can sell for a couple scrap higher because of people too lazy or too stupid to search carefully, and then they get used as "proof" for the next price increase. It needs to stop.

Eurgh... well, if you say so, I guess I could make my own trade to buy a key next time.

And Long, if you really want that proof, here it is in an easy-to-swallow picture format: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b1bbf7b6f71903395ecee7072970bc7b/tumblr_mkwxp25PsB1rri4zyo1_1280.png

Just don't blame me for this, if you need to.

Don't forget that having many items pegged at the key price makes selling keys at a decent , or even, at the lower end of the current and future ranges be an exercise on loss.

Too many trading solely for profit, not enough trading because they want to use a particular item.

Lazy? I don't have time to worry about a single scrap...I got bigger trades to worry about!

I doubt I'm the only one either.

I've never had to give out such a mass of warnings. If you guys can't keep things civil, I'm moving on to bans.

Long, this includes any further trolling. You know what your reputation is between the carding incident and your key suggestions. Keep trying to leverage that to get a rise out of others and you can say goodbye for a while.

8 warnings total :3

I am not even trolling.

this is for real.

I think this has escalated to a place where people don't care whether they get banned or lose rep. The hate against the site itself for key rise and price fall of every TF2 item in existence (except for tools) is the reason I believe. People are actually calling this place lowball.tf now. I can already imagine masses with pitchforks coming out. Imma grab some popcorn xD

So Outpost is lowball.com, this site is lowball.tf... Hmm, who's gonna create lowball.net?

I guess it will be in making

Tho I remember spredsheet being called spreadshit and Outpost being referred as Greedpost, Autpost and shitpost from time to time so take your pick

The new scrap.net 3 weps = 1 scrap, each wep is one scrap to buy, hats to sell for .88 and keys to sell for 3 ref

ez gud deel

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9913450

Seller at 8 ref, and 1 person is going to buy it.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9779574

Sold 20 at 4.77 hurr. FML

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9288570

moar 4.77 buyers.

4.77 is the new price of his, no one gonna be stupid enough to buy key at 4.77 atm.

Dude a guy bought 3 keys off me for 5 ref.

Oh goody, Look who's making the prices. Long218, the person who knowingly bought carded keys, admitted to storing them on an alt, and tried to suggest the process. I question the wisdom of you making another suggestion on keys, considering your past history with them. Oh, wait, silly me, I will question EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION that you make about keys from now on, since your reputation with the admins is at an all time low. When even one of the admins tells you to knock off the siggestions, you really fucked up royal.

A serious suggestion to the admins. If the community votes so overwhelmingly against a price suggestion, and you accept it anyway, it will do nothing but fuel criticisms to this site.

Oh goody, it is the poncho again. the guy who said bp.tf is manipulating key price and that why he stop using bp.tf but everytime there is a key, he reappear with his terrible logic and no proof.

Long, Vincent, one of the admins, is telling you to back off. If he is telling you to back off, that should be a reg flag for you. I think he has told you in the past to stay away from key suggestions.

Long, I'll be the first to admit that I don't particularly like you, but I still respect you as a human being. I ask that you please control yourself. I understand your frustrations about people's accusations towards you, but try to be level headed about it. You're only making it worse by responding the same ways as them and even belittling others who simply make a small statement against the price. They might not have any proof, but that doesn't give you the right to belittle them. Let them be, and let yourself be. Ignore them

Also, understand the heavy controversy around you. It's not wise to add fuel by acting this way to people, even if they aggravate you. Just calm down.

I like bunnies and carrots. But bunnies eat my favourite carrots and it makes me very sad. :c

because I posted proof and I don't talk like that.

Whatever you say. The -200 begs to differ. Your price is wrong, end of discussion. Stop bribing the mods and make honest suggestions like everyone else

lol.

what ?

lol.

why should mods listen to biased voters that just want to manipulate key price to go down for their own benefits while proof and sale shown otherwise.

Correction: Why should mods listen to biased voters that just want to manipulate key price to go up for their own benefits while the entire backpack.tf community agrees the price is wrong?

entire ?

uh, did you see the upvotes from past key suggestions ?

and it ain't manipulating when there are proof, son.

score: -241

See that? See how it's NOT positive? See how, in an honest system, the price would have been rejected? And you want me to believe that you aren't bribing the mods? Yeah, ok. I totally believe you. Nothing corrupt about the mods

did you even read ?

I said right there(and so many other did) that the votes on key suggestions don't even matter because they are biased because no one want to see key rises eventhough it is inevitable.

5 months later..... SELLING KEYS 5.55

score: -241 approved

The biased one is you. The only difference between you and other price manipulators is that you can bribe the mods to get your manipulations passed. Stop arguing, you are making yourself look like an idiot. EVERYONE knows you are manipulating prices, and EVERYONE (except the mods you're buying off) agree that you need to be banned. End of discussion

lol.

accused someone of bribing without evidence.

lol.

doing that on the internet might be ok but you can pay fine in real life, sonny.

and why do I even have to waste money to bribe mods when my proof already did that for me.

Evidence= score: -241 approved

Negative means rejected. The fact that it is approved means that the system is corrupt (consistently in your favor, how convenient). The mods really need to remove the meaningless vote system and just add a "buy price change" button.

negative means rejected ?

since when ?

did you ever saw suggestions that got accepted with negative vote(beside key's suggestions?)

My point exactly. Prices with negative scores don't get accepted. And yet you raise the key price every day with negative score, and you except me to believe things are being kept honest? Why do you even bother denying it? You might as well just admit that you are bribing the mods and manipulating prices. You are literally the only person who believes yourself

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5157f5234bd7b8a349000002 accepted at -252

Votes don't matter, proof is all that counts. Honestly, they should just remove/change the voting system.

do you even realize the shitstorm that would create? Hell we created one by passing a negative key suggestion but if you were not allowed to vote...Shit would hit the fan, Long's keys and the community in the face, it would be like a dairia tornado

Then maybe hidden votes, or vote reasons.

Really pointless when you have users downvote and ignore all proof

Long, stahp!

New theory, the price of keys are going up to drive buyers to the secondary markets. Btw, where is the tf2finance link.

lost somewhere in the comment section.

Most of the buyers do not buy any more, unless they absolutly need keys, the sales are below 200 a day in a game with millions of players

Really wish idiots would learn that proof in the comment section makes the admins accept a price.

Not the number of upvotes or downvotes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

The only way I see keys dropping is if BP.tf stop's listing the price of keys or OP users stop being greedy little goofballs and selling for so much. But the chances of any of those happening are slim to nothing.

So tell me, How does Long get away with saying stuff like this:

"@qnqnx

the way you people treat me will be the way I treat back. I don't give a f*** anymore and my goal will be rising the key price until metal is just a useless trash of poor people." (look for it, it's a hidden comment above)

and the admins ban people or warn them left right and centre for practically the same thing or less?

Better yet, he's at *best* under review for dealing with key carders, at worst in league with them, why the hell is he allowed to even make suggestions or is anyone paying attention to him?

He just admitted he's out to screw things up even more than he already has and motivated to do so. What the hell more could admins possibly need to do something about it? Jesus people.

Check it again. He was warned for it, alongside the other warnings given out. Everything has been under control in this suggestion since, so no one has been banned.

So long as he isn't marked in steamrep, there's no reason for bp.tf to ban Long for the carding incident. If he gets banned by Valve or marked on Steamrep, he'll be banned here as well. Until that happens or he does something specific on this site to warrant a ban, there's no reason to do so outside of satisfying mob demands. If you want to tie it into his key suggestions, I have to point out that the relationship between keys and refined has absolutely no impact on key's USD market, which is where he was trading his keys. So there is no relationship to tie the carding incident to any of his activities on bp.tf.

As far as the 'rising the key price' statement, it was a statement made in anger in the middle of an argument. The fact remains, he's making valid suggestions with plenty of support. He has no power to 'screw things up even more', no more so than any other non-admin individual on this site. The only thing he does have is the power to piss a lot of people off. And if he pushes that, there WILL be action taken.

I believe he has already pushed that.

Agreed. Many times over.

Hell, 3 months ago he was trolling pricing with an alt and apparently got no more than a dirty look. God only knows what other nonsense he's up to with unknown alts.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50d762caba25365f6f000013

Plus his suggestions pass with hundreds of negative votes, I'd hardly call that 'plenty of support'.

A voting system that doesn't reflect the voice of the majority is pointless.

He had bans on both accounts for that one. I don't recall how long, Chief handled that incident.

He changed his name to "Key Manipulator", if you recall.

im just gonna downvote this even though i know in my heart its gonna pass

Since his suggestions usually pass with sometimes hundreds of downvotes, what's the point of even having a voting system or voting?

Time to retire this system, it's obviously not working.

exactly. it really doesnt matter if u vote or not

So I just read this comment by Long (hidden btw):

"@qnqnx

the way you people treat me will be the way I treat back. I don't give a f*** anymore and my goal will be rising the key price until metal is just a useless trash of poor people."

Jesus Christ. So it isn't about "reporting the current price" anymore? This isn't something we can just ignore.

yet we will ignore it...

I will probably make a thread on the steam forums when I have the time. Right now it's just deep into the comments.

Long, your idiot comment has gotten out of control. I'm not going to try to defend it anymore, there's no point or reason to do so. You knew your rep with key suggestions, and you just had to gave it that extra push. I'm shutting this down. Any further key suggestions from you, valid or not, will be considered trolling and will result in a ban. I'll extend this to key comments if need be.