Suggestion: Refined Metal at $0.30–$0.34

Well that pretty much breaks your low end. Also, note that not many people (afaik) deal with paypal trades through outpost. Also, both buyers are the same trade link.

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/141290-Earbuds%28-33%29-Key%28-1-40%29-Ref%28-0-33%29 Buys @ 0.33

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/140860-Key-s-Tod-s-Refined-s Buys @ 0.32 (only 26 in 9 days, really low.)

link 1: yeah it was closed

link 2: thats not counter proof it shows that people were selling for lower then market price. that shows that that this price is completley out of date.

link 3 the guy has tons of adds.

link 4 i cant fix it now. but no interest for 5 months and in range

link 5 he bumps it every hour less if hes not online. 3 days. no interest

link 6 hes a constant seller. he may not have a lot in stock all the time though.

your sop proof.....in the range......."..............l......".....d.d..d.dd..d.d.

you had the best attempt at counter proof. virtual cookie for you

1: You agreed with me

2: Out of date = incorrect

3: "Please Leave a Comment Below"

4: That's because it's outpost, kid. Like I said previously, most cash trades are done through a different outlet, such as SOP (That you didn't bother to use since it goes against your bad range)

5: No interest in this one man's 30 cent refined means that the low end should be 30? You really don't know trading, do you?

6: Again, Understocked constantly. CONSTANTLY means that he is out of stock more times than he has stock.

Also, I understand that my SOP proof was in your new (but worse) range, but it shows that your low end isn't justified. My counter-proof was better than your overall proof, so you can keep your virtual cookie...it probably has herpes.

lol this is the saddest attempt of counter proof

Keep crying when I prove you wrong, that always gets you popular.

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/141074-Keys-Metal-Hats-Promos-via-PayPal Buying @ 0.33

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/136738-Buying-buds-for-34-50-keys-for-1-50-ref-for-33%C2%A2-I-pay-fees-15-pages-of-rep! Buying @ 0.33

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/141369-50-ref-for-16 Bought @ 0.35

Here's some more for your troubles.

"Keep crying when I prove you wrong, that always gets you popular."

because thats why I'm making this suggestion*sarcasm*

if i wanted to get "popular" I would just raise ref, or lower keys.

If I wanted to get hate i would make this suggestion or rise keys which I'm doing because it's funny to watch saps like you cry.

1st link in the range

2nd link in the range

3rd link he's paying 32 cents per. looks like you can't do math. and still in the range

Read the whole comments, and my opinion on this whole sh*t:

Your answers, and how do you talk to people who share their opinion normally, show us perfectly that you are the cancer of the TF2 community.

[sarcasm]You are awesome.[/sarcasm]

If that's all you can do, then you should stop doing suggestions.

Few other things:

- The majority of cash trades goes on SOP. That's why a lot of USD traders want SOP rep thread for trades. But I guess you know that, if you did RLM trades.

- People already proved that your proofs are wrong. All you did answer to the counter-proofs: "hilariously dumb counter proof" "Your bad counter proof gave me a good laugh" And you suprised on the number of dislikes?

- You didn't count fees (No fee inside US? Who cares about the US, according to my personal experience less than half of traders are from the US.)

- This suggestion would be correct if the key prices would be still 1.30-1.35$. Keys USD price atm. rising, few days ago it was 1.60-1.70$, now probably even more. Rising much faster, than the key-ref price. If it goes in that way, the metal price will only rise, or stagnate.

Buds price gone down because the keys are rised. 22(key)*1.7(USD)=37.4$

"tf2wh is really just a joke"

A joke? with more than 4000 keys?.. Seriously? If you can't use the site, thats only your own failure..

Anyway if it is a joke, then what are these?

- tf2finance (shouldn't be used as proof)

- scrap.tf (shouldn't be used as proof)

- tf2outpost

And backpack.tf also reached that point when a lot of people not trust in the site..

- spreadsheet (There are people, who still use for item pricing!)

PS: I'm curious If I upset you enough to "rage", and start a flame war. :) But now going to sleeping, already 7:27 am...

Your opinion doesn't matter

Opinions don't count as counter proof

I'm going to stop commenting unless

Someone can actually give real counter proof

I disagree with basically your entire essay. But I don't want to agrue right now

"Your opinion doesn't matter

Opinions don't count as counter proof"

- Ignoring my/any comments, cause you can't argue with that..

"I'm going to stop commenting unless

Someone can actually give real counter proof"

- Others already did.

"I disagree with basically your entire essay. But I don't want to agrue right now"

"- Ignoring my/any comments, cause you can't argue with that.."

ultimate Counter proof... the other suggestion

lol, i had no idea you could suggest a new price for this, but upvote anyhow :)

If everyone knew how to do it. This suggestion would have been already been made XD

Choo-choo! All aboard the TF2 Economy train, as it leaves the station to eventually plummet off a cliff to its death.

Seriously, though: decreasing prices of Refined Metal make me even more scared of a crash then Key and Earbud prices do. Considering that it's impossible to confirm Refined/PayPal sales without the payment records of each, I don't exactly know where to stand on this one, but I guess since you're only doing Outpost trades where not much is confirmed. I'll go neutral for now. Maybe an upvote if you can wrangle out the SourceOP threads...

There all old as hell so i didn't want to use what ref used to be a couple of months ago.

tf2outpost is just as unconfirmed as sourceop. but not many people post on sourceop. most people post on op though when paying cash for items. there's still a bunch of people selling for lower then 35 cents.

yes it does pain me to see the economy going down. but whatever yolo

The economy is not going down, it's just changing. Wait for it to stabilize.

I think Ben Bernanke said the same thing about a certain recession look where america is now :/

Considering how fast buds are going down and how fast keys are going up, expensive stranges are going down (My boyfriend can't even sell a S. Kritz for 38 keys), all happening in the past 5 days alone.. Sorry for being pessimistic, but that's enough evidence showing that the economy is crashing right now. It might stabilize, but right now it's crashing, even if it's a small crash, it's still a crash.

http://tf2finance.com/ Watch how buds dropped around this time of the year last year.

Also, the change in key prices is probably because of how valve is hitting the carders hard. Keys go up, people want keys more (Probably steam market) so some items priced in keys go down.

what are key carders?

never fully understood

From a reddit post:

"Simply, carding keys is when someone (typically from a foreign country/identity) steals a credit card, then buys keys from the Mann Co store in mass quantity. From here, they can sell the keys for much cheaper than most providers (we're talking $1.25, $1.15 USD per key, sometimes lower), then people buy them in mass from these "carders", which is bad for the tf2 economy for several reasons.

First of all, it's obviously incredibly illegal, however, Valve recently has had a tendency to not only ban the carded key seller, but also anyone who knowingly buys from them. Secondly, the lower key prices causes the price of refined to go down, as the value of refined has to match in ratio with the lower prices of keys, which in turn screws nearly everything up. Many believe this to be the cause of mass inflation recently in the tf2 trading universe, as in the last 6 months - 1 year.

TL;DR Don't card, don't buy from carded sellers as it screws everyone over in the scheme of things."

oh so they basically steal a credit card, buy heaps of keys in mann.co, then sell on market or whatever for much cheaper?

but can't they lose money by buying for more and selling for less, or have i read it wrong?

It's not their money, they don't loose anything.

oh ok, so they are basically trashing the economy? :/

thanks for clearing that up for me.

Is it possible to lose money, when you buy random 2 credit cards for 1$ and then cashout in mannco store for 200-any_card_limit?

Here is another problem. Keys are not selling the way that all of the recent suggestions suggest they have been.

http://www.tf2wh.com/item.php?id=5021;6;2007c65ba3d3acb661e57ee5550676fc

Here is the live total of keys in the warehouse, at an estimate averaging 4.31 refined according to the website.

http://tf2wh-charts.chrishowie.com/summary/5021/6/

Two graphs, one for the selling price, one for the stock of keys. Two weeks ago, it was impossible to get a key before the site was restructured. Now, the keys have been going into the warehouse at such a rate that they have overstocked FOUR TIMES since YESTERDAY. Calculating the numbers to the nearest hundredth, the keys are being sold at an equivalent of 4.14, and barely being touched at 4.31.

I personally would not invest in any currency item, ESPECIALLY keys. This information proves that the key prices are extremely bloated.

I was about to suggest 4.66-4.77 for keys when I get home.

nvm #RIP.

I never understood WH as I never used it. All I know is people consider it a joke when suggesting any kind of prices.

i have never seen wh used as proof. and get accpeted

tf2wh is really just a joke. i agree with you

it doesn't matter if you think it's a joke or not. the fact that the warehouse has literally thousands of keys since about 2 weeks ago when it had none cannot be ignored.

i personally think they came from carders who used the wh credits via whx to turn the keys into bitcoin completely erasing the trail.

but whatever the reason, that number of keys simply cannot be ignored.

(they recently adjusted all their pricing to be in line with the tf2 trading community (take refined credits and apply to almost any item and it works out pretty even)

it's also a no-nonsense place to get items FAST without dealing with annoying humans, trading lag, etc.)

Agreed. All items were overpriced. Look, ref is buying more now and so are keys.

1st link-1 month old

2nd link-1 week is ok i guess

3rd link-3 weeks old

4th link-3 months old

5th link-he wasn't selling atm

6th link-sold 6 at current price

7th link-sells at current price though 3 weeks old

8th link-2 months old

9th link-1 month ago

10th link-legit i guess...

11th link-5 months ago

12th link-no one buys for 50 cents

buyers: want to make profit

link 1- yes its 1 month old. but he still has refined in his backpack. and his trade was bumped around 30 minutes ago meaning he's still selling

link 3-still selling for the price. has refined in his bp and he updates his trades

link 4-updates the trade. has 70+ref no stock/very low stock on buds and keys

link 5-hasn't sold any

link 6-1 week old,no comments,not sure if he even sold any ref

link 7-not much success

link 8-50 in stock

link 9-57 in stock. still selling.last sold days ago

link 11-has shit-tons of metal. on auto bump last ref was sold a week ago

link 12-was extra like i said

please look at the proof. it doesn't matter how long the trade has been open.most are unsuccesfull and update there trades

also "people want to buy to make proof" lol who doesn't do that

lol i had to waste like 10 minutes because you can only look at the age of the trade

hehe dislike Cuz little kids don't like getting there bad proof made fun of and this actually helping my suggestion

lol

remove link 2 it was closed due to it being inactive

I can't edit it smart one

If this gets accepted, my guess is that keys are going to reach 6-7 ref.

why is that?

Cause the main reason for keys to go "up" is that metal price is going down :)

indeed, what I've been telling people for quite a time.

False. Look at all the items. Most items r coming down because key is going up.

they're eventually going to regardless of how this suggestion goes

yeah, but i don't think anyone would buy them

Should take a look at the other suggestion

No sOP trades?

the fact that even outpost trades are below the current range says something

Sorry, I didn't check, was just wondering :)

oh I agree with you that a variety of sources would help. I was just making somewhat of a joke, since (I've heard) outpost is known for overpricing metal

Oh! I don't do any paypal/tf2. So i wouldn't know :]

outpost is known for scammers and nobody trading cash there.Hence making your proof useless.

Not my suggestion, mate

Lol

If that were true everyone selling metal would be banned.

Everyone trades cash there unusals/keys/buds

no the dislike trolls

THIS:

1st link-1 month old

2nd link-1 week is ok i guess

3rd link-3 weeks old

4th link-3 months old

5th link-he wasn't selling atm

6th link-sold 6 at current price

7th link-sells at current price though 3 weeks old

8th link-2 months old

9th link-1 month ago

10th link-legit i guess...

11th link-5 months ago

12th link-no one buys for 50 cents

buyers: want to make profit

Get real proof... Or don't make suggestions...

The trades are old and are selling for lower then market price so with your logic people have been selling low for months. Thanks for the extra proof

http://i.imgur.com/PMNRipX.png?2 -- accurate enough?

Lol.

If you use your brain(I don't think so) There were so much metal, over 1,500,000 But When valve released a new update with craft hats, the stock of refined metal went from 1,500,000 to 1,300,000, so why do you make a suggestion if we have less metal than the past month? Anyways your Proof sucks...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8371008 This one does not have paypal... He has webmoney and if you look at the comments nobody wants to buy for webmoney....

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9916353 He has only 3 ref C'MON!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9119381 This guy has only 1 in Stock WTF???

2 of them are closed.

The rest of them have a low stock...

STOP WASTING OUR TIME...

Owns 600 ref

Provides the worst counter proof

Do you know what web money is

Do you understand that people sell metal and don't always have 100 metal in there no all the time

Tf2ops admins are complete trash

Why don't you take a look at the proof

Why don't get that the age of the trade is just helpinG my suggestion

Oh I have 600 Refined, I didn't know... You proof sucks and you know it... So what If I have 600 refined? That does not mean nothing...

Your bad counter proof gave me a good laugh

If people just stopped mass idling then maybe the price wouldn't drop all the time.

not the case

How is it not the case? People use tons of accounts and gain tons of metal. I see people claiming to have over 100 and they end up with so much metal that metal loses value.

there are many different things contributing to it

You are trying to lower value of a key commodity in game by more then %16 drop with THIS proof,seriously?

I was going to counter-proof but all you gotta do is simply visit a few of the proof,there's nothing even solid to counter-proof.

Next time try a place where actual cash trades happen,and not a cash-scammer heaven like tf2outpost.

Lol this is one of dumbest comments on this suggestion

Have you ever sold

Something for cash it's obvious you know nothing about what your talking about

This is the Dumbest Suggestion...

Mad cause your 600 ref Is dropping

Mad cause you can't find any good counter proof

Mad cause you know that the price of metal is dropping

Mad cause you can't read

READ idiot. You have only 10 link for the whole economy? Sounds retard?

I have 14 links(count or read much?

there isn't a lot of sellers for metal to cash

because no one likes ref. better to sell keys or buds and get more money

I already told you... 2 of them are closed, 3 of them has less than 3 refined. is that proof for you ? Look around, nobody wants this stupid suggestion. And pls stop saying that I have over 500 ref. we are talking about your Suggetions not Everyones's bp.

I'm not going to respond to your hilariously dumb counter proof. your dumb insults. your rude attititude. and your corrupt mind.

and you downovote all my comments.

grow up your the cancer of the community

I am a seller for tf2shop,selling more then a hundreds of ref weekly,and witnessing thousands more being sold @ $0.49 each.I sold more ref then your life's worth.

We really have NO reason to lower refined prices. If you want to raise key prices? Fine. Want to lower strange prices? FINE. But there is no point to lowering refined prices. Unless you don't want to spend too much ref on certain items, but that's just a cheap way to pay less! I say keep it the same. Key prices are lowering is because of the Steam Market. It does in no way involve refined.

How am I being greedy?

If this gets passed my backpack will go down 60$+ dollars

Refined is based on the economy if this gets passed buds will go bal

Down in usd. Buds will go back up in keys. Everything. In keys will

Stop dropping. And metal goes

Down and things in metal go down which it

Needs to

You would be right on this, but metal is the main use of currency in TF2. No matter how much you deny it. We use scrap for weapons, reclaimed for common Vintages, uncrafts, and common Stranges, and refined for hats or Stranges. We use Keys for rare items, and buds for Unusuals and the rarest things in TF2. So in reality, this will only benefit people not buying Unusuals or rare items. Because ref will be so low and keys will be so high, it will be hard for starting Unusual buyers to get any keys because they'll be so expensive. You can make the argument that refined is really common. However, it has always been common since crafting has existed. All you need to do is craft 2 weapons of the same class! So in reality, ref prices shouldn't be altered anymore. If Keys lower in $USD again, fine. But right now is not the time. Keep it the way it is until it reaches the point that Keys are less valuable.

The thing is, Backpack.tf doesn't determine what the price should be, it reflects what the price is. The OP is trying to prove that people are paying the price he proposes, not that the price should be what he proposes.

i feel like long

so much hate

metal is only currency. keys are currency and uncrate very valuable hats

What I've seen so far

bad counter proof

the same people disliking all my comments

people can't except change

stupid people,trolls, people who can't read

no no no. keys iz gunna be 7 refined

I feel the key suggestors pain with you people

Buyers [url]http://forums.sourceop.com/forums/32-TF2-Item-Buying-Selling?prefixid=sop_wtb[/url] - 0.3-0.33

Sellers [url]http://forums.sourceop.com/forums/32-TF2-Item-Buying-Selling?prefixid=sop_wts[/url] - 0.34-0.40

Outpost sucks!

selling=\=sold. people selling ref for 40 cents is not proof

most of the trades on sop. are unbumped/old

bumped 2-4 days ago is too old?

no like there are still people selling ref for like 50 cents

man.. if you want to sell your refs for that range, go ahead.. I dont have alt acc, I dont agree with your range, I dont care if I dont sell a ref because nobody wants to pay 0.01 cents.

whats wrong with the range?

the rest of the sentence i can't understand. sounds like a kindergarden wrote that

Its not personal, but why change that range? Its like shooting against ourselves... Whats the point?

for the accuracy of the site mate.

I'm losing too

Its not accurate. For some accuracy you have to be sure about large data sample, not only for those are selling their stuffs in tf2op. If I decide to stop with TF2 I dont care about loosing 10-20 bucks. Is it accurate? Of course no..

that's the type of comment that makes me want to throw up.

the point im making that 35 cents is not accurate. plenty of people selling for lower. you might be mad because your losing like 70 bucks. I don't care to be honest

*you're

And you're complaining about his English? Gtfo kid,and we'll talk after you learn to treat your elders with respect.

"that's the type of comment that makes me want to throw up."

Definitely you have no args to convince.

Im mad because of this kind of approach: youre only interested in win some backpack.tf tags in you profile, mrs price expert.

Stop complaining about my english and do something for community instead.

a "kindergarden" wrote that? And you're complaining about his English? Gtfo kid,and we'll talk after you learn to treat your elders with respect.

It doesnt help that your hidding all your comments

His replies are so stupidly written and includes nothing valuable so they are hidden by the majority dislikes of the community.

Also you are just showing a small majority of ref trades.There are many trades that are not in your price range with buys on other sites and outpost

paypal prices are always lower then actual value to make it more attractive for people to take the risk...

I think 25 cents is better to lower key > $ value, but I guess if no one is selling at 25 cents it can't be 25 cents. Makes me wonder if ref doesn't drop what will be the maximum value of ref > key... $2.50 / 0.35 = 7.14 ref.... wooo

You have no idea what you talking about.

Sure I do. SOP keys are around $1.70 If you take $1.70 / $0.35 = 4.88 ref which seems to be what everyone on OP is selling their keys for. Math. But.... 2 weeks ago everyone was selling their keys for $1.35.... $1.35 / 4.88 = $0.27

Half life 3 confirmed.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10124062

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9832021

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9949055

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9161658

Current price seems fine. You're links are either accepting webmoney, bitcoin and other louche things, or just trying to scam.

0.35 should definitely stay in the range. 0.30 is too low.