Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.66–4.88 ref

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~57.22 ref

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Whelp, it seems that keys went up even more since I made my previous suggestion. KingOfHeart's suggestion is too high, and mine was too low. So i'm re-suggesting as 4.66-4.88 refined.

My last suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/516d57884bd7b8d14400001b

KingOfHearts suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/516fa7654bd7b8b95e000008

http://tf2finance.com/keys/ - 4.8 at time of posting

Successful sellers at 4.88+:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10163627 - At least one willing buyer for 5 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10149340 - Claims to have sold 22 keys for 5 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9208240 - Has at least one willing buyer for 5 refined

Buying for 4.77 refined each:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9725989

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10156167

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10150391

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10132882

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8424607

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10136373

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10020061

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10081555

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8369579

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8282867

Misscellaneous links:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9355772 - Buying 5 keys for 24.33 refined (roughly 4.87 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10013173 - Key bot. Buying for 4.66, selling for 5 refined. No keys in stock, plenty of refined

so ur only proof this time is tf2finance that still in Beta?

"Hello my dear chap! It seems that you've made another suggestion! However, it troubles me that you have only linked tf2finance, which is still in beta! Was that intentional, good sir?"

At least I think that's what you said, my internet-English translator may be a bit off.

yes, you are right, but i hope that you will post some links, because i want to upvote this range but your proof is not enought for it :c

I'd like to see you speak russian mate..or just spell your name in russian without using google translator..let's see you do that, then come back and judge other people on their english skills..

Holy fuck, you're a dumb cunt.

Well that was incredibly rude... Grow some manners.

I started tonight, and im selling EASILY at 5'33ref.

PROOFS:

http://i47.tinypic.com/ibctqa.jpg

http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/1cov78/h_almost_400_ref_w_to_buy_keys_at_477_ref_each/ - Buying keys at 4.77 ref. And has 400 + ref

the first buyer you posted is now buying at 4.88 @__@

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37162308.jpg

Look, as much of a massive argument comes up from, say, Long suggesting price ranges, at least he offers plenty of links showing traders selling for that price. If you're going to make a suggestion (especially one as controversial as raising key prices AGAIN), at least give us solid evidence.

when I am gone people want me back, when I am back people want me gone.

What the f*** people, make up your mind

No I'm pretty sure nobody likes you still.

I like him. He makes valid suggestions. People are just butthurt that they can't afford keys.

so duckin true

i like him

I'll explain it to you since most of you seem to be too stupid to figure it out. The proof is in the first two links Hatch Rawer Beryl posted.

oh, you don't know that admins ask to atleast copy/paste proofs from other suggestions? also ' it seems that keys went up even more since I made my previous suggestion.' so first link is not actual, because he suggested 4,66.

only way this suggestion to pass is based on the proof of my trade

your suggestion is bad, and you should feel bad.

King of heart, your price range is horrible, buddy. I don't expect it to pass unless it stay up for a few days to a week.

i swear this guy is so desperate to get the keys going up

so many attempts..

I think you meant King of heart, look at that guy horrible range and horrible proof.

Prices will always keep rising this way. People (douchebags) try to sell for a reclaimed, sometimes less, sometimes more, more than the price here. Buyers drown in the prices, decide to take them because they can't find better deals, Finance rises due to a combination of this and how easy it is to manipulate (just put buds on your alts, go to an English server with them and have fun exchanging keys with yourselves). Finance and the highballs on OP become proof, suggestion gets accepted and people start selling for a rec above the current price. This repeats itself a lot. Also, it used to be only a scrap a few months ago, but it's just blasted off.

For a key suggestion, very little evidence.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10167715-2.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10086952-2.33

Sold @ 4.66 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173450

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10044626-Buying @ 4.44, one add, some in bp

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10123995 Buying/selling @2.33

(Copy and paste from other suggestion)

*gulp*, ok i feel weird, i just bought a few keys from the steam market and sold 4 at 4.88 each, now as soon as i find a website to upload a screenshot for hard evidence i have this here trade of mine. 3 adds in just half an hour:[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10174632/done[/url]

take it with a grain of salt. i dont like contributing to the rise in keys but theres some more proof for you folks.

LET'S JUST TOUCH THE KEYS.

TOUCH. TOUCH TOUCH TOUCH. TOUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCHHHHH.

Imo, let's jump ship on ref and invest in something else. However, this needs a lot more proof to win someone like me over.

I LIKE TOUCH

Here's what I found (as I was planning on making a key suggestion, but with two other suggestions up, might not be the best idea):

Sellers:

***Note: Went through all trades on Outpost that were selling keys for metal. Only 3 pages of sellers. Some are both buyers and sellers (a.k.a., Exchangers)***

...what:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9785426 - 10 ref?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173849 - :l

5+ ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9929183 - 5.11 ref. Trade's been up for a week, so unsure of when seller changed his price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8469422 - 6 ref :l . Needless to say, nobody has bought with metal.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10155655 - See one link above.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7742434 - 6 ref. Constantly changes prices. Last add was 3 days ago (can't be sure of what the price was 3 days ago)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9439601 - 6 ref. No adds for 4 wee- wait, what?! One add 4 days ago?! What is thiii- "Player does not own a backpack." Oh, okay. False alarm.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8799933 - Changes price periodically. Claims to have sold 1 key at 6 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10155531 - 5.33 ref. Only about a day old. Hasn't sold yet.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10150374 - 5.11 ref. No adds after one day.

5 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9991694 - 1 add a day ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10136055 - 1 add a day ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10093492 - Sold one. Checked BP - has 5 ref from the guy who bought the key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10135557 - Key unsold for a day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10156076 - 40 keys. None seem to have sold after one day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10013173 - Key bot that buys at 4.66 ref and sells at 5 ref. Currently has no keys in stock, so isn't getting any keys at 4.66 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10014739 - Up for 6 days. One for-sure add 3 days ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10172370 - New trade. Already one add.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173826 - Closed trade within 30 minutes of opening. Didn't sell any keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9996378 - Up for a week. Appears to be changing prices periodically. None sold at 5 ref it seems like.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10172605 - Newer trade. Hasn't sold within 1 hour.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9440403 - Up for 4 weeks. Doesn't seem to have changed prices based on the insults in comments. Claims to have sold 3, but no proof of that.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9208240 - Two interested buyers within past couple of days.

4.88 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173948 - Very, very, new. Already one add.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173936 - New trade. Currently no adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9920335 - 6 adds within the past 2 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173866 - Up for less than one hour. Does not have keys anymore.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10164110 - Sells at 4.88 ref, buys at 4.66 ref. Currently not selling, meaning he probably has no keys.

4.77 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10174012 - Up for 4 minutes. Already one add.

Less than 4.66 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9649117 - 3 ref. Only sells keys he buys at 3 ref. Currently has sold 2 in 2 weeks.

Buyers:

***Note: I looked through 6 pages of buyers on Outpost. Currently 16 pages of buyers. After a placing a few down under 4.44 ref, I said "Way too many lowballs" and ignored any under 4.44 ref, with a few being omitted due to being skipped somehow***

4.88 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10164950 - 9 hours old. Nothing yet... wait, what?

4.77 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9164282 - Has one willing seller one day ago to sell 19 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10169132 - Very new. Can't afford any right now, however.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9957099 - Week old (most likely not at this price). Out of stock with metal. Has an interested seller two days ago (most likely at this price).

4.66 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10047251 - Two people interested in selling at this price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10149157 - 3 adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10122056 - Key bot. Unsure of how many adds to sell to this bot. Something to note: Some people have bought from this bot at 5 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10034149 - 3 adds within 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173825 - New trade, only 1 hour old.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10130230 - 2 days old. Had one interested seller two days ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3539291 - Changes price periodically. Unsure of how many, if any, this buyer has managed to get at this price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10151831 - Day old. Claims to have bought 14 at this price, but no proof of this.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10007458 - Week old. Has 3 recent adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10159912 - Newer trade. One seller was willing to go down to 4.77 ref, but buyer is only looking to get at 4.66.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10174631 - Very very new.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10136569 - Has an add 1 day ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10174060 - Has new keys, but can't tell if it was for this price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10156420 - Day old. Nothing yet.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10170054 - 4 hours old.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10174564 - Very new.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10174561 - See one link up.

4.55 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9768713 - Up for 2 weeks. Last add was 1 week ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10155150 - New trade. Can't tell if buyer has managed to get at this price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9997482 - One week. Appear to have gotten zero sellers.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10156497 - Day old. So far no sales.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10167894 - Very new. Nothing so far.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173504 - Newer trade. No sellers so far.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10165485 - Under a day old. No sellers, but it probably doesn't help that the buyer put 4 ref instead 4.55 ref.

4.44 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7492799 - 3 months old. No adds from the looks of it. Before you say "But he's bought 97 keys! Just look!" Take note that the trade is 3 months old and he's most likely changed his prices over time.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10154824 - Day old. Nothin'.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10163994 - New trade. Offline.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9991789 - Week old. Claims to have bought 7 at this price within the past 7 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9721358 - 2 weeks old. Seems like no one is interested.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10146475 - Day old and nothing.

If there's anything this proof shows, it's that 4.44 and 4.55 don't even belong in the range anymore. It also shows logic plays approximately no role in key prices.

Thought you were oculous for a moment ;3

Thank you for the proof.

Some additional buyer trades for the 4.77+ point

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10188777 - Buying 10 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10188744 - Can buy up to 7 keys

4.88-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10161420 - Buying up to 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10151572 - Can currently buy up to 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10186967 - Can buy up to 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10188161 - Can buy up to 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10184836 - Can buy up to 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10180169 - Buying 2

4.83-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10154229 - When in 'bulk', can buy up to 5

4.77-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10188159 - Buying 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9336470 - Can buy up to 7

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10183124 - Can buy up to 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9995420 - Can buy up to 17

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10041611 - Buying 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10177852 - Can buy up to 7

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10042546 - Buying 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10180301 - Can buy up to 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10187748 - Can buy up to 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9176672 - Buying 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10180068 - Can buy up to 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8282867 - Buying 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10166803 - Buying 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10136373 - Buying up to 10

All 'number buying' details are at the time of this posting, of course. While I gave buyers for 5 ref, I think this is the better suggestion. One completed quickly while the other is demanding a bulk 'all 10 at once' trade, and better to stay on the conservative side while seeing where things are going.

http://www.tf2wh.com/item.php?id=5021;6;2007c65ba3d3acb661e57ee5550676fc

Still cannot justify a price increase when the Warehouse is filling up as fast as it has been.

So you're say that the price here can't go up because of TF2WH, despite the fact that two people now have shown that, not only are 4.44 and 4.55 ref buyers unsuccessful, but sellers at 4.88 and 5 ref are successful?

That's about the equivalent of trying to use scrap.tf as the only source of proof to say a promo item needs its price to drop.

What I am saying is at a projected value of 4.31 ACCORDING TO THIS WEBSITE, the keys are being sold to the warehouse and are not leaving. That alone should be damning, because it means that the keys are being sold to the warehouse at a lower value than what is projected for suggestions on backpack.tf. What I am saying is that traders are willing to sell keys at a lower price than what is being projected.

http://tf2wh-charts.chrishowie.com/summary/5021/6/

This link shows 2 graphs relating to the keys going into the warehouse, one showing the key selling price and one showing the stock of the keys. Note that the keys are being pumped into the warehouse at a fast pace, and the number of keys in the warehouse are not going down. If that many keys are being pumped into the warehouse at such a rate at a value lower than the projected price, it means that traders are acknowledging that the prices have hit a cap, and implies that a crash is imminent.

A further update to the situation.

Checking with TF2 Warehouse again, I noticed that the Warehouse is at 98% stock on keys.

http://tf2wh-charts.chrishowie.com/summary/5021/6/

Note the bottom graph, which shows that the number of keys in stock. From one end of the graph to the other, around 1,000 keys were pumped into the warehouse. SINCE YESTERDAY. At an average of 4.33 refined. ACCORDING TO THIS WEBSITE.

Compare that to this: http://tf2finance.com/keys/

Pay close attention to the volume of keys, which is the amount of keys sold on outpost. Note that less than 300 were sold on Outpost yesterday.

Warehouse would be more reliable on the situation than Finance is. You cannot outweigh the information that Warehouse has had over 1000 keys pumped in yesterday over the 300 estimated sold on Outpost yesterday. With this information, I am downvoting all future key suggestions.

The community has spoken. The keys have risen far enough.

Reading your discussion with Baloo in the opposing key suggestion, I have to conclude that Warehouse has nothing to offer when it comes to keys:refined. If someone wanted to put in metal to take out keys, they'd have to pay the equivalent of just under 4.88 refined in metal. And that's when it's accepting metal, which is next to never due to perpetual overstock. Ultimately, Warehouse isn't a place for the fluid exchange between keys and refined, and in that regard it has little to offer on the subject of the value of keys in refined.

Even last year, the metal was almost always overstocked. What I am trying to say is that keys are entering the warehouse AND THEY AREN'T COMING OUT. And you're looking at what people use to buy the keys the wrong way. Some people don't want to sell metal for keys, so instead they use other items, like stranges and hats and genuines, to buy the keys, which is what those who sell keys on

Outpost frown upon, because they want metal, even though there have been those campaigning to make refined worthless.

A little bit of light reading for you.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3110572

This thread, which was created Wednesday, explains how it is possible to get keys for as little as an initial payment of 3 refined, using the community market. Even not using the community market and buying direct from the source, it is possible to buy a key for lower than what is projected.

I respect that, and the reasons for warehouse getting stuck with a hoard of keys are worth analysis, but it comes down to the same fact: When it comes to what people are trading in metal for keys or keys for metal, Warehouse isn't part of it.

Similarly, the linked topic is about using other items in between before getting keys. About taking advantage of differences in the markets. It is essentially just discussing ways to trade to increase one's backpack, and while traders would be wise to make note of these differences between markets, it once again has nothing to do with the direct exchange of keys and metal, the issue at hand.

With all due respect, it has EVERYTHING to do with the direct exchange. If you have noticed, few people are buying keys with pure metal,

Looking at TF2 Finance, fewer than 300 were sold yesterday, and the notion that is being falsely set up here is that the keys are being sold like hotcakes at the projected price, where the truth lies contrariwise. People are getting tired of trading for profit, and what the Warehouse indicates is that keys are being cashed out in massive amounts.

Traders are getting tired of playing for profit. They are selling the keys, getting the items they want, and they are content with starting to play the game instead of playing the market.

Fewer people are buying keys with pure metal, that can't be denied. But at the same time, fewer traders are willing to sell keys for pure metal.

I fully agree that there's a shift in the market here. And I would argue it's a big sign that the current situation is very delicate and any number of events could drastically change things. But I disagree in that it has anything to do with what pure keys are trading for pure metal as of right now, which is ultimately what this suggestion is concerned with.

It does have to do with the value of keys with pure metal, because fewer transactions for metal are occurring with metal. The keys going into the warehouse at the rate they are going, and not coming out, implies that there are those banking on the premise that the key will lose value, and the ratio of keys going in compared to the ones coming out stresses that.

But has it been filling up due to people selling the keys for metal? How do you know people weren't trading the keys for bills? or buds?

Just pointing something out. Since the last key suggestion was passed on bp.tf (4 days ago), key prices have been the most stable we have seen them in weeks. Maybe having a 1 week grace period between key suggestions wouldn't be the worst idea...

It would be nice, as soon as one suggestion is done, traders have already adjusted their trades to sell for higher, let it sit for a bit.

With suggestions like this is why we need long back...

I will be back in 3 days.

Dont make any key sugestions yet until the prices of keys on bp are outdated that the whiny people beg you to get back to key suggestions :)

Ie people who complain about 'price manipulation' when atm the prices of keys on bp are pretty damn outdated already.

why not a simple change, 4.66-4.77?

edit: scrap.tf buys keys at 4.66, sells at 4.88, good enough range.

implying we should follow scrap.tf(an automated site where people pay extra for convinience) instead of the market ?

actually its not very convenient, they rarely have keys, buy trades normally are better than trying to buy from scrap.tf

hope the keys go up

why hope when it is a reality already ?

*sees key suggestion*

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CAN'T DEAL WITH IT.

http://i.imgur.com/rJgQY.gif

Lawl, I was waiting for someone to post that.

70 keys, NO

Bro, just 'cause she has lots of keys doesn't deny the fact that key prices are rising. Get over it.

"Buying keys @ 4.44 refined"

Wishful thinking.

"Changes to 4.66 becuz of comment"

Let's give keys a flat 4.66 ref for now.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10163312

I got an offer for 4.88 for a key, before I wrote that I was not selling it.

i love the people who make the price higher to profit :D Thanks for the key prices

Is there anybody at all thinking links like this are proof?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10183124 "Buying keys

>can buy 1 key<

http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/322686

Also want to point out keys are currently 4.76, which means not many trades go for over 4.77 (and I still don't like tf2finance)

If it's at 4.76, it means there are trades happening above and below 4.77 ref that average out to 4.76 ref.

Only part about tf2finance I don't like is the sample size. It's intentions are good - to report the average trade price of a key - but the sample size is rather small compared to the large market.

GOD Please no.

#cut4keys

Sold 2 for 4.88 ref just now, I don't see why not, anyway, what's the matter with -0.01% accuracy?

Why is the price even this high? I dont understand. How many of you people actually use keys for? Uncrating. How many people actually uncrate? All we do now is to resell them. Why is the key price so high? Is it just because the people that have a lot of keys want to profit by raising the price? Think about it before you vote.

The voting doesn't matter. The mods only care about the proof. Even with a big minus number, the mods or whoever still accept it. (one of the suggestions had -147, got accepted) Backpack.tf is a biased website that doesn't listen to their community, even though they say they do. *Prepares for butthurt*

Price is going up like gas, but guys, money is a renewable resource. If its digitally transfered that is. Making the price up to 5 refined is just plain stupid and whoever agrees has little to negative IQ.

my iq is negative according to you! waah :c

I think you need to play Math Circus [url]http://www.myabandonware.com/media/captures/M/m-a-t-h-s-circus/m-a-t-h-s-circus_9.png[/url]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37117616.jpg

wrong backround picture

Your meme is bad and you should feel bad.

well, Imma stay out of this.

this is just gettin rediculious...

I've found the Outpost has much higher prices than on trade servers, 4.66 is fine for now.

I was in a server with someone selling for 4.22, only had 3 keys though. Sad part here is that there is no proof that this is actually happening.

do it for pure metal nextime- maybe tf2finance see this and prices will go down

Bumping the price up by such a little amount won't get rid of the sellers at 4.88-5. They'll just adjust to the price and sell for higher, a price change is not needed because the price will always be high somewhere. The more we vote these increases up, the more people will sell for.

so what you suggest ?

left this outdated while key price keep rising and the market will totally get fucked over because buyers don't know what price to pay for key and so they pay at weirdly high price ?

I appreciate your UNBIASED opinion. Now explain the amount of keys you own.

like my name said

can't trade 5ever so those keys are useless.

He's been trade banned or something. He can't trade. So those keys are useless.

I see that now, sorry for the mixup lol

im not so sure why keys should go up so high? It will really collapse the tf2 economy, just make the price the way it is.

Well, those who legitimately buy keys for 2$ each from the Mann Co. Store have a valid reason to sell them for 5 to 6 ref apiece when one ref is (still) worth 0.35$. If they would sell them for 2.xx ref it would make them lose money, except they are generous people. Just sayin'.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10210476

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10139958

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9759413

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10057977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9503751

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10112700

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10086952

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10109487

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10125511

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yeah there are a lot of unsold keys at 2.44 ref out there

can't argue with that amazing proof

4 key suggestions at the same time ? lol close them all

Boy oh boy, cant wait for that bubble to pop and that mannconomy to collapse.

Lol. So many key price suggestions rejected in the space of a week and yet people are still posting new ones every other hour to try and push it through.

keys should be brought back down to there original pricing which was 2.33 i know it saids way out of hand but people just raise it so that they get more.

well i say that we should put it back down to the original pricings and that it shall stay there for quiet a while. i am just saying the highest key pricing i am willing to go is 3 refined. LOWER THE PRICES NOW!!!!

Why do you guys keep raising the price of keys? It's ridiculous.

If you guys really want your buds to be worth nothing then go ahead and keep raising the key prices..seriously just stop these votes. Its ruining the economy..hell I'd vote for an economy reset right now, make keys back to 2.44 and set buds back to 28 keys, make people happy again.

I don't like how people are trying to drive up the price of keys madly aside from that it's very low to do so when you yourself own a bunch of them to profit.

just because people own currency doesn't mean they do it for profit

I mean it keys, for god sake.

Who doesn't use/own/want keys.

NO SHiT NO

I sold 8 keys for 5 refined each.

I've seen the same success, I've sold 6 for 5 ref each.

I tried buying for 5 refined on a server

was unsuccesful for an hour til sum chap sold me keys

I can not take these price uprisings. What makes you think that keys can be sold at this price you suggested?

The fact keys are sold at the price that was suggested.

Good point... I still don't understand WHY people began this high price thing in the first place!

I think it stems from greed from resellers and the high demand that was present during Halloween 2012. Resellers saw the high demand and took the opportunity to raise prices.

Now it's just prices falling uphill.

cruel world

Just wondering - how do suggestions with scores of -90 and lower get accepted? What is the point of a voting system if things that have such low scores will get accepted anyways?

Because the voting system isn't for biased people who just don't want that the right price is reported here (so they can get Keys cheaper..), ergo they downvote.

There's no way of knowing that the people downvoting are biased, though.

Just read the comments from the past suggestions and you see what I mean.

Examples:

"no way, keys should be X ref"

"downvote, it's enough already"

"you can still get them for that price *shows one 3-days-old link*"

"fuck you stop raising the stupid price"

"owns: 30 suspicious manipulator"

"backpack.tf is corrupt"

"no new price pls stop"

yeah, true, I didn't think of that.

except when they comment "you have 70 keys, downvote fgt".

100th Comment!

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Lel, 3 key suggestions at the same time.

3-WAY

YUUS

Wow Only 4 weeks ago it was 4 ref..... I'll never get those Buck Turners now...

I just feel they're getting expensive by the day, it should be somewhat easier if they were lower than even higher. In 4 months, the price could be jacked up to 25.66 ref!

HOW ABOUT 2 REFINEEEED

>> "Don't you idiots understand that everytime you raise the price of keys, keysellers also raise their prices"

They raise their own selling price so they can still get profit.

>> "outpost people scam 2 rec more from the real price"

Oh, so it was possible to easily sell Keys for 4.66 Ref when the reported price was 4 Ref?

How do they even scam? Nobody must pay their price.

>> "and then you fags suggest new price to be that what outpost people scam"

Oh yes, we show what Keys are usually going for by suggesting a new price, how bad from us!

>> "and then it just keeps happening"

And? Is it the fault of backpack.tf that people are constantly paying more?

>> "and the price will keep raising so high that nobody buys your keys."

If it comes to that point, keysellers must reduce their price so they can sell again. Lower prices = Higher demand.

Do you even know what "scamming" means?

Btw. Don't insult the guy who gets his facts straight.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239158

Selling keys for 5 ref each

You are a prime example of what's wrong with society. Then again, 5 refined will be part of the range soon enough...

got 3 adds in less than a minute for a key at 4.88

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10242927

http://puu.sh/2Ehof.png

Sold keys 4 for 4.88 and 5 ref today

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10243098

I like how Outpost is know to be full of highballers and scummy traders, yet people use the highballers prices as proof, but for keys only. No other items have their price constantly going up, because people know their is an unlimited, constantly available number of keys. If backpack used proof like this for all items, then every item would have an increasing price. (except metal, which would decline massively, making it almost impossible to buy anything)

If you think that TF2B or TF2TP users are selling for lower than 4.66/4.77, find some counterproof and post it.

screw currency, im trading with items only from now on

lets be honest guys, we are for the most part only seeing keys rise in price due to the fact people are selling them for that high, if we could lower the price on the spreadsheet the buyers would probably be not so willing to pay the extra ref or two,

You shouldn't base prices on what people sell them for. Sure some selfish assholes sell them for 5 refined, but again, that's just someone overpricing items. I suggest not changing it at all because I believe 4 ref is enough for one key. If the $USD price lowers again, fine. Make it more expensive. But there is no reason to change it now, when Keys have already doubled in price. I hate the TF2 community sometimes. -.-

"You shouldn't base prices on what people sell them for. Sure some selfish assholes sell them for 5 refined, but again, that's just someone overpricing items."

and people willing to pay that. so...

2670 votes and climbing...