Suggestion: Non-Tradable Dangeresque, Too? at 0.66–1.33 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Fri, 26 Apr 13 17:37:30 +0000 by SirJjjon.

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Why pay a key for wrap+ extra in order to get a hat when you can buy the game for a key? I am making this bump down fairly conservative, since people are uncomfortable with huge changes.

Classifieds:

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/dangeresque

Sellers at 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10064132

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10095749

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10193508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239767 1 rec

Unsold at current range

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10223227

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10161944

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10111776

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10101631

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10226882 (bp.tf prices)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10138063 1.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10229698 1.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10144007 bp.tf prices

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10111104

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10219993

Buyers under 1 ref are successful

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4174489

As you can see buyers are scarce on such a sketchy item as this. Sellers are having trouble at 1 ref, and one has even dipped as low as 0.33 and still has one in stock.

I agreed that it should go lower but maybe should make it 1-1.33 refs as their is only one seller at 0.66 but still upvoted :D

MORE PROOF

http://imgur.com/r9Fbtc5 (at time of posting)

all unsold

1 seller at 1 ref

1 at 1.33 refs

4 sellers at 2 ref

thanks, I put a link to the classifieds into the main post.

Im just proving a screen as they change continuously :D

And also since some people that dont want the price to go down remove their ad (this does happen alot) so to just avoid that yeah xD

Strong Bad is decent poker player, I spent 7 hours to get this glasses

did you set it to easy mode? They are actually very foolish poker players, and can be easily bluffed in most cases. I have alot of poker experience though so iunno... They were pretty easy for me.

That game doesn't have an easy mode, you silly. It does have a hard mode, though.

I spent more time restarting so the players could ante up the items than I did playing the game itself.

It was hard....I feel like the computer cheats.......Sad part is...I didn't know how to play poker until 6 rounds later.......

Things we do for TF2 hats and misc....

i hope poker 2 also gives you some achievement items

shit, just found that those bolderlands 2 & TF2 items are the achievement items. They don't give you anything for preordering but a free copy of poker 1.

The only thing Poker Night 1 gave you for pre-ordering was a Dealer's Visor, and look how much that goes for.

Having a game from pre-ordering is miles better than a virtual item.

The computer cheats .

Why do you think there's difficulty ?

Tvtropes mate...tvtropes...the computer is almost ALWAYS a cheating bastard

yes, but then, even if there WAS an easy mode, buying the game requires lots, and decreasing the worth of this item decreases the worth of the game, which doesnt exactly make sense, one of the only reasons poker is 2-3 keys or 3-4 is because this item is a part of demopan, and the rest of the items sum up to that amount.

I've won enough tournaments by making consecutive all-in bluffs to know that this isn't quite correct.

I think when an NPC has a round with an item buy-in, their AI slightly changes in that tournament to make them smarter so that they won't be KO'd by other NPCs as easily, rather than players. Based on what I've seen, at least.

same here...

You all-in bluff lol, that's kind of my one and only strategy playing that game

You can install other player savegame if you dont want to play a game (but get items)

You just could escape a game and restart until an item pops up to play for...

Just so you know many people use SAM, that achievement manager thingo and get the glasses in under 1 min

you cant, idiot. SAM doenst HAVE poker.

Man listening to everyone talk about how hard the poker is, makes me want to play real poker against these people.

i just sold mine 2 days ago for 2 ref but i must have been lucky. upvote

well i have to downvote this

out of 100000 of thisand 3-4 sold in that range it cant be justified as proof but as an exeption

after all we see quicksells in way more expensive items than that

This logic would make sense if you were just given the item after purchasing the game, BUT, not everyone is trained in the fine art of not sucking at poker.

Really? This is a topic? For 4 days now? Let me see if I can push something over the edge one way or another. While I <3 these glasses, I don't care if it gets rejected or pushed through. If anything it looks like the limit should be 1 ref - 1.66 ref or something around there.

I couldn't really find any under 1 ref but I'm not exactly looking hard. Out of 145 trades for ref.... I've tried to prune out things not within the suggested price or outside of current range. Here we go >>

#18 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239630 >> 2

#20 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10314991 >> 1

#28 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10309844 >> 2

#29 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10240916 >> 2

#36 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10138063 >> 1.66

#41 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10111776 >> 2

#42 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10047599 >> +1

#53 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10189388 >> 1.66

#54 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10250050 >> 2

#57 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10193508 >> 1

#59 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10225562 >> 1.33

#63 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9472579 >> 1

#64 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10056595 >> ~1.66

#68 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10314136 >> 2

#73 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10348087 >> 1.33

#76 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10231463 >> 1.66

#77 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10320475 >> 1.66

#88 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10318642 >> 1.88

#93 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10333317 >> 1.66

#96 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303454 >> 1.88

#97 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322546 >> 1

#105 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10316405 >> 2

#106 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10316042 >> 1.33

#107 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10313046 >> 2.00

#113 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10064132 >> 1

#115 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10047682 >> 1

#116 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10223227 >> 2

#119 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9941153 >> 1

#120 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10094503 >> 1.66

#126 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10246024 >> 2

#129 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9913470 >> 1.33

I feel a lack of proof here...

if you think that this is a lack of proof then you have very high standards....I have 15+ links. Here is a few examples of "lack of proof".

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51740deeba2536383200000f

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51742f7bba2536dc4f000002

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51746c48ba25367e5b000003

I'm not saying i don't agree, i'm just saying a little/LOT more 0.66 would help.

well, there is only 1 buyer and sellers are pushing higher to no avail. That is about all the legit proof available, but unsolds at 1 ref and a 0.33 seller seems to point that it is dipping as low as 0.66 or more.

Can i cut max`s head off in any way in that game?

Haha, I wish..

Everybody's buying poker night 2 and getting poker night 1 for free, in my opinion all the items are cheap and easy to get it would work out extremely cheaper winning the items instead of buying gift wrap and the items themselves. Basically what I'm trying to say is these items are overpriced and should drop down

Thing is, this isn't about whether the item should go down or not because of reason a) or b). It's about what sells are being made at which price and presenting proofs to support them.

People pay for convenience.

Needs some more proof at the 2 rec end, if you change the range to 1-1.33 it would be definitely good.

unsold @ 1 ref seems pretty good to me. Also the seller at a rec hasn't even sold both of them. Keep in mind he doesn't bump however. I got alot of hate on my last suggestion too, and I am ok with that, as long as I feel I am accurately representing the price. I actually kept 1.33 in the range to prevent people from bitching so much. If you researched the market on these items you would know how hard it is to sell these.

I know what you mean but not selling at 1 ref isnt the same as selling at 2 rec. Any change downward would be better than the current range seeing how innacurate it is.

yep, and more people are getting poker night 1 for this item since you get it free with poker night 2

sorry no way is it down to .66, downvote.

where is your proof of .66? there is only one unbumped trade thats for .33, but other than that, there are none for 2 rec.

your link http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10095749 -- offer of 1 ref + wrap, don't think the price needs to be lowered by that much

That's a severe price decrease but it seems justified to me.

15 days ago this used to be a key lol

well there is many suggestions that make things priced lower (excluding the mann co. key) and the key price will go so high, that eventually people will start buying keys again and the price will go down... and the price of items will go up! So... I an neutral as of now.

I don't quite understand what you are trying to say.

well the reason why prices are getting lower is because the key is getting a higher price. So, if the price of keys drop then, items will get higher in price.

reason why price is dropping is because everyone is receiving poker night 1 for free when they pre order number 2.

yea but I am talking about the majority of the items. I got gifted poker night for free btw

1 key = poker night 1. If a key depreciates in value than poker night 1 would be worth less, meaning that the items would also be worth less. I see what you are getting at though, I just don't think I agree with your logic.

poker aint 1 key.:http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/102127439 please look before you say anything.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10333540 he;s selling for a key...

only 1 proof. more?

1.66-2 ref is good. If you write about "wrap" the price is 1.2 keys, no 2 ref.

wrap, is not included in the price. It never was and hopefully never will be. And if 1.66 - 2 ref is good then how come there are unsold ones at 1 ref?

A Craft Hat is 1.33, isnt it?

And even you add Gift Wrap, it has nothing to deal with less thatn 1.33

it isn't a craft hat though... Do you really want to be crafting un tradeable hats?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9293033

Look at this and you will know

People are crazy.

craft #100, big moonai in nice craft numbers, not so much in these goggles. It is still viable as a craft hat, but it is considered dirty so it has a greatly decreased value.

O.o Who would sell these awesome looking glasses for .66 ref? They are pretty hard to get too as Strong Bad is pretty good.

lol you can use "SAM" that achievement manager and get your glasses in under 1 min?

So you rather risk your account getting VAC banned instead of having a fun time playing poker? What kind of a person are you...

I havent bought the game so i cant use it anyways, but im simplying putting it out there. SAM was how alot of players got the black rose without actually playing or downloading the game.

Your grammar...spelling...fix it.

All you need to do to get the black rose is to finish 1 round in the game. I don't see why would you even use that..Without achievements in a game you have no target.

Some people live in countries where you can't download the game to play.

I only made a point here.

downvote

why? because you are trying to sell them for 2 ref and you think that this will make your job harder? Would you care to supply some counter proof to back up your argument?

WOOT! Banana Split :D

See, if you just left is at 1.33-1.66, I'd still think it'd be a bit of a bad suggestion but .66? WHOOOOOO. NEIN. Sir I may not be a huge contributor, but I've seen enough trades on outpost/been on enough trade servers to see that these glasses are sought after and not to be lowered to .66. I mean. Man. That is a low price.

138 views, only 2 bookmarks, 1 unsold. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239767

The only reason I left 1.33 in the range was to prevent people from over reacting. I realize that this is going to be downvoted, and I learned to not give a crap. I don't mind if you voice your opinion on what you think an item should be worth, but at the end of the day the moderator is the only one who can decide if a suggestion passes or not. Therefore as much of a democracy as it seems we have here we are actually in a Monarchy, and as long as I have a decent amount of proof the moderator will consider the suggestion and do his own research.

Edit - Also may I ask, why would I leave 1.66 in the range as you suggested since it hardly sells at 1 ref.

Demopan isn't going to like this :(

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10278527 - offered ref + gift wrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239630 - offer of 7 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10144007 - offer of 1.33 + wrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10200103 - offered 2 ref + wrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10111104 - interest at 1.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10095749 - offer of 1 + wrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10193508 - unsold at 1 ref + wrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10225562 - unsold at 1.33 + wrap

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/295/6/0 - three unsold at 1-1.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239767 - never bumped, 1 left

Your proof of unsolds are all new and poorly bumped trades, but my counterproof of offers are also kind of old. However, I haven't seen many sales at .66 ref. Actually, I haven't seen many sales at any price, market for these things isn't good at all. I think .66 is a bit low, but the old high price is definitely too high