Suggestion: Earbuds at 21–22 keys

Price Suggestion

Earbuds

Submitted Wed, 24 Apr 13 11:58:31 +0000 by ★ Mardik🔻

71.11%

22 keys

21–22 keys

168

~8.23 keys

1093 votes up

444 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Sat, 27 Apr 13 07:21:27 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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Hi ,, earbuds STAHP - trader

NU - buds

WILL ADD UNSOLD @22 in moments my PC is crashing so brb

seller for less than 22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9885906 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10291667 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10283988 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308890 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10233605 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10291667 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10304328 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10167770 iunno but less than 22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9785156 willing seller for 21.5 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10201564 added for 20-21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9199710 2 adds 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10184274 21 offer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9648314 2 adds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10290812 21 key offer?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10177825 21 adds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10280624 21 offer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6410746 21 added

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10152325 21 add

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10089303 21 add

The last one got rejected. Not sure why when there was evidence.

Smart backpack admin = rejection. Hey sitebender you wana post some sleek links to knock some sense amongst the clever admins? Your 200+ links should do the trick.

They have access to all the fucking data and yet they fail to report the price. Quicksell or not it is selling and in decent numbers therefore cannot be ignored. 200 people do not quicksell there shit and backpack.tf is only to REPORT AND NOT DECIDE. ( atleast that's what the admins and their minions say when they wana run away from tough suggestions )

My truth bombings just prove what hasn't sold like currently the 40 buds that haven't sold at 22 keys. Yesterday there were 34 that didn't sell at 22 keys. People like proof of sales yet how can we find sales if posts get taken down. Guess I'll just have to do this 24/7 and become the new tf2finance.

Posting 400 links doesn't mean much if 70 percent of them are irrelevant.

A majority of the 22s you listed in the last suggestion and all three of the 21s were sold.

And people like proof of sales...

We don't list quickbuys here.

Quicksells or quick buys? What if I can prove there are enough people quick selling?

I explained why I closed it on the suggestion; the bulk of the relevant proof was quicksells.

The 21s were all taken (or quickbuyer trades), and the 22s moved very easily.

Instead of repeating myself you could read my reply at the bottom of the page here; http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51759902ba25367759000002

Sorry I missed the explanation at the bottom. My bad.

Found more.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10311949 << 21 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10312164 << 20 keys a quicksell. I'll give you that

1st link - sold in 1 day, isnt it quite long for a quicksell...?

2nd link - no buds in bp, obiously a troll.

I'll give you that

How long should people be trying to sell something? There's one guy slow selling at 21 and he's been up for 2 weeks. And sometimes derpy people keep their post up long after items have been sold. Its all up to the mods to decide. This open forum is useless.

There's 1 non gifted bud at 21 (and 1 gifted) currently and a few 21.3 - 21.5 buds >> http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/earbuds

Quicksells.... quicksells.

@clevrepun

mate doesnt really matter who bought them, the thing to look at is who sold them. Y would any on sell there stuff to quick-sellers in huge volumes.

Again you are trying to impose your OPINION AND NOT REPORT THE FACTS.

Admins need to decide first what are they actually trying to do here.

YOUR POST IS TOTALLY YOUR OPINION AND NOT THE FACTS -- IF 2-5 PEOPLE SEL FOR CHEAP THEN ITS QUICK-SELL BUT IF MAJORITY SELLS IT FOR @! THEN ITS A REPORTABLE PRICE.

I would like to repeat myself here:

Quicksell or not it is selling and in decent numbers therefore cannot be ignored. 200 people do not quicksell there shit and backpack.tf is only to REPORT AND NOT DECIDE. ( atleast that's what the admins and their minions say when they wana run away from tough suggestions)

I was fully prepared to accept the previous suggestion were it correct.

Currencies have a high sale volume; it takes many more sales to prove a buds change than it does to prove a change in S gunslingers or paints.

mate the number of earbuds selling at 21 is heaps and heaps more then 22, if 22 are drip selling it does not mean that you can ignore a clear fact that 21 sales are not quick sell sales anymore.

If they sell in an hour at 21 they're quicksells.

If they sell in 3 hours at 22 there's no reason to lower the range.

I think you need to look into things before you right these comments. Earbuds @ 22 keys, in 80% cases, are stuck with he seller for more then a day easy. There are many links above, posted by sidebender, to prove it.

I think you need to look into things before you write your responses; I spent a good 15+ minutes going over all the proof in the last suggestion. While I did not list my conclusion about every trade (would've been too time and space consuming), I did not pull my decision out of thin air

lol mate nearly every one on this suggestion and previous suggestions are giving you proof of the sales and time taken and yet you choose to be adamant just to prove that your opinion is right and the facts are wrong.

i am sorry cleverpun but you are like,, making a fool of yourself ? this site is based upon proofs not opinions right ? and here you are giving us only opinions why you dont like this suggestion, care about giving us PROOF ? also i quote "If they sell in 3 hours at 22 there's no reason to lower the range" so if i find people unsold for 22 above 3 hours dont say "oh they are new proof is baaaaaaad"

These are at time of posting

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10295989 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10314347 12 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10099541 last add 4 days ago ?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9240297 last add 3 days ago ?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10314795 12 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10266230 last add 2 days ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10301792 1 day ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303572 1 day ago

MOAR LESS THAN 22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8492049 21.5

Well i bought i think 14 buds for 21 Keys each ..

and sold 9 buds of them for 22 keys each ..

Proofs :

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033022.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033045.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033118.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033142.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033202.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033219.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033237.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033318.png

Found more.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10311949 << 21 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10312164 << 20 keys a quicksell. I'll give you that

http://i.imgur.com/4R3jtsk.png - Bought for 21 keys + sold 1 key for 5 ref

http://i.imgur.com/KtmrHBq.png - Bought for 21 keys

http://i.imgur.com/AvDXyK8.png - Bought 2 for 43 keys

'HOW BOUT DAT

a funny trade of yours clever

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9768164 (dirty texas ten gallon)

[TTPN] hdbergie:

I have one, would it be possible to do .66?

cleverpun:

Kinda high

[TTPN] hdbergie:

thats the tf backpack price... but id go to .55

cleverpun:

still kinda high--bp.tf price is outdated; demand for these is falling

[TTPN] hdbergie:

its a compromise price for both of us... I'm not trying to cheat you or anything

--- then this http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5175a859ba25363217000004

good outdated price there buddy!

22 keys is easy to sell at.

21 keys would be a much faster sale making it a quicksell.

Ive sold some at 22. And i dont think arguing with an admin will help this pass.

mate i have an earbud and have been trying to sell for 21.5 keys from past few hours and no takers. And yeah I have given up arguing if only he wants to be a dick.

And 21 quicksell ? my arse quicksell - it still takes time and heaps of effort on finding the buyers, thinning as we speak, buying for 21 keys.

@Boogeyman

Wow! A whole bud? And you've been trying to sell it? You might not know this, but anything over 20 keys generally takes three times as long to sell than any cheap item. This includes Buds. I sold seven not that long ago, it took about four days.

Get more experience before commenting, please, your whole one bud sale is nothing.

> anything over 20 keys generally takes three times as long to sell than any cheap item. This includes Buds. I sold seven not that long ago, it took about four days.

I've sold hundreds of buds. If market average was really 22-23, liddo's 21.5 would be gone in a minute or less.

The presence of unsold buds @ 21 makes this suggestion a slam dunk.

Its up to you clever. Hold your ground. If backpack.tf had a price drop you'd see everyone drop price like it did when they hit 22. Don't give in.

I wish there was a comment button to give a response to pokey above but I guess I have to write here.

@ pokey - The CLEVER admin of backpack tf wrote totally opposite to your comment. According to CLEVER admin it takes 3 hours to sell an earbud. Please say on whose side you are? Admins or the community?

Lol and if u sold 7 in 4 days tehn the range 21-22 is very well adequate lol.

Were just going to suggest the same :P

I guess the best proof will always be >> http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/earbuds

But for those who like a thurough truth bombing.... 40 at around 22 keys when yesterday there were 34 at 22 keys. How does one stand out from the crowd? By staying at 22 or going cheaper. Judging since the last vote to go 21 didn't pass. Neither will this one. Not sure what that means.

#0 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10295588 >> 21 sold 16 hours ago

#1 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9711982 >> 28

#2 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10099881 >> 26

#3 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10099541 >> 22

#4 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10004838 >> 22

#5 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9691630 >> 28

#6 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9447252 >> 28

#7 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8398339 >> 29

#8 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7320859 >> 28

#10 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305062 >> 22

#11 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10025968 >> 25

#12 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9791148 >> 23

#16 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10301881 >> 22

#18 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8331961 >> 28

#19 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5739510 >> 29

#20 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308830 >> 23

#21 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10235551 >> 23

#22 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239443 >> 25

#23 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10026236 >> 24

#24 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9967096 >> 24

#26 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7020805 >> 28

#27 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10020125 >> 25

#29 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10182213 >> 27

#30 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10196320 >> 24

#31 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10114358 >> 25

#36 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10295989 >> 22

#38 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9891328 >> 26

#39 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8966391 >> 27

#42 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10301792 >> 22

#44 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10072106 >> 26

#47 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9791113 >> 27

#48 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10289057 >> 22

#50 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10009402 >> 24

#54 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9684725 >> 28

#55 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10043956 >> 22.5

#56 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9856420 >> 25

#58 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10276600 >> 23

#59 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9995140 >> 26

#60 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9987359 >> 25

#61 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9857719 >> 27

#64 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7923856 >> 29

#65 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6944933 >> 29

#68 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10299278 >> 22

#70 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7922733 >> 26

#72 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308709 >> 22

#73 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10271894 >> 7]

#74 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10167436 >> 99

#76 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10255816 >> 23

#78 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7561088 >> 27

#80 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10304233 >> 22

#82 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10304827 >> 22

#83 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10261826 >> 24

#84 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10057454 >> 23

#85 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9990186 >> 28

#86 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9842179 >> 26

#89 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10293938 >> 25

#92 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10231624 >> 24

#94 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10304057 >> 22

#95 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9796142 >> 26

#103 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10283225 >> 23

#104 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9959822 >> 27

#105 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10130388 >> 26

#106 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10051150 >> 26

#107 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8787466 >> 28

#109 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10307162 >> 24

#111 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9865416 >> 30

#112 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10278487 >> 23

#113 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9961239 >> 28

#114 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8492049 >> 23.5

#115 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10093200 >> 37

#116 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10046332 >> 26

#117 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10012384 >> 27

#118 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10068989 >> 23

#119 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10204284 >> 2

#123 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239743 >> 22

#125 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10194886 >> 23

#126 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305029 >> 22

#129 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10015640 >> 26

#130 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10292705 >> 4

#133 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10184208 >> 22.5

#134 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9389555 >> 30

#138 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10295602 >> 22

#140 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10148338 >> 3

#141 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10298182 >> 27

#144 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10283988 >> 21 <<< wooo 21

#145 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9664070 >> 22

#146 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9399776 >> 24

#147 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9430531 >> 28

#148 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9991220 >> 25

#149 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9815405 >> 27

#150 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10170793 >> 23

#151 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10210418 >> 27

#152 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10000712 >> 27

#154 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10105264 >> 26

#155 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10298330 >> 25

#156 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10082092 >> 26

#159 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10043654 >> 31

#161 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9724107 >> 31

#162 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10307963 >> 22

#163 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10018438 >> 22.75

#165 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9968525 >> 28

#166 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9408990 >> 30

#167 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10296305 >> 23

#168 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9853100 >> 27

#171 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10173262 >> 23

#172 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10157610 >> 23

#173 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10082894 >> 27

#174 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9793909 >> 24

#175 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9127734 >> 28

#177 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9821237 >> 24

#178 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9964972 >> 27

#179 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10296453 >> 25

#181 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10086932 >> 25

#183 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10238550 >> 2

#184 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9664059 >> 22

#187 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9993398 >> 23

#188 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10277000 >> 23

#190 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10231149 >> 23

#191 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9870953 >> 22

#198 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10168961 >> 23

#200 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10044057 >> 26

#201 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9976246 >> 21 <<< wooo another 21

#203 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9908850 >> 28

#207 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10254100 >> 22

#208 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10131562 >> 25

#210 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10242191 >> 22

#215 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8900996 >> 28

#217 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10307913 >> 22

#218 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10296108 >> 22

#220 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9627106 >> 27

#221 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10302816 >> 45

#222 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10231958 >> 23

#223 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10296535 >> 26

#225 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10283114 >> 25

#226 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10304328 >> 21

#231 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9954552 >> 22

#232 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9779748 >> 26

#234 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8879317 >> 28

#237 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10291667 >> 21 <<< and another

#238 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9719360 >> 27

#239 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9967405 >> 26

#240 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10260261 >> 24

#241 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9845741 >> 26

#242 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9444237 >> 26

#243 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8946265 >> 28

#244 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10300991 >> 22

#246 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10106706 >> 26

#249 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308289 >> 22

#252 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10165949 >> 25

#256 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10108178 >> 22.5

#257 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10009249 >> 26

#258 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9909836 >> 26

#259 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10301336 >> 24

#261 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10105630 >> 27

#262 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9992093 >> 27

#263 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10004039 >> 25

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#267 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10073589 >> 24

#270 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10266230 >> 22

#271 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10233605 >> 21

#272 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10038572 >> 27

#273 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9814977 >> 25

#274 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7268177 >> 28

#275 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10234637 >> 26

#276 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10014466 >> 24

#278 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10044898 >> 25

#279 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10027337 >> 25

#280 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9971265 >> 26

#282 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10297908 >> 22

#284 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10229361 >> 23

#285 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9240297 >> 22

#286 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10057148 >> 24

#288 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10297703 >> 22

#292 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10236646 >> 25

#293 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9948119 >> 25

#294 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10056108 >> 24

#295 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8157874 >> 25

#296 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9586094 >> 28

#299 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10091257 >> 26

#300 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10269519 >> 22

#301 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9885906 >> 21

#302 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10100991 >> 27

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#306 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10271564 >> 23

#307 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10233531 >> 23

#309 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9416799 >> 117

#310 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7682004 >> 28

#311 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10204175 >> 23

#313 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10189723 >> 22

#314 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10079987 >> 28

#315 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10041935 >> 24

#317 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10043817 >> 25

#319 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10234597 >> 24

#320 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7661301 >> 28

#321 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308045 >> 25

#323 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10163901 >> 24

#324 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10001432 >> 24

#325 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9448777 >> 27.5

#327 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3234062 >> 30

#329 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10024400 >> 27

#330 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10242444 >> 22

#331 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10304255 >> 25

#332 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5377037 >> 29

#333 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9719090 >> 28

#335 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10111011 >> 24

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#341 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9869295 >> 26

#343 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9742900 >> 27

#344 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9979849 >> 25.5

#347 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10296094 >> 24

#349 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10163266 >> 25

#353 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10287340 >> 23

#354 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10278505 >> 25

#355 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8783754 >> 28

#357 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9412576 >> 24

#358 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8100755 >> 26

#360 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10092944 >> 23

#361 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10274069 >> 26

#362 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10297092 >> 22

#363 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10286549 >> 22

#365 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10124405 >> 26

#366 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8625410 >> 28

#367 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10302069 >> 25

#368 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8480819 >> 23

#369 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9790748 >> 24

#372 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10297856 >> 23

#375 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10000458 >> 26

#376 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9569357 >> 23

#378 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10177086 >> 23

#381 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10240027 >> 25

#389 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10301950 >> 22

#391 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10139752 >> 27

#392 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10032912 >> 25

#393 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10132173 >> 27

#394 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10300563 >> 22

#397 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10071302 >> 26

#398 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9644250 >> 26

wow so all my searching went for nothing, ok , may i use some links ? :D

Go right ahead and yeah it helps having many eyes searching. But again the last one didn't pass even with proof from yesterday's bud transactions. Anyway even if the drop doesn't happen tomorrow it'll happen in a week.

You're not saving anyone searching posting 400 links, more than half of which are irrelevant.

Eh they seem to get likes on my previous bombings.

lol. It just takes up the whole page which is really annoying on currency suggestions because they are cluttered enough as it is.

You only got likes for because of the same reason people downvote key suggestions, they dont want it to happen, your wall of text, as said early, is irrelevant to this suggestion, and most of them are not selling it, just buying an unusual with buds.

Clearly, he still doesn't get it.

Yeah I get it. << I'm just testing a system.

Then, pray tell me what you are doing.

2 week old quickseller that obviously lowers his price accordingly >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9885906

If you continue to refuse to properly prune these links, I'm going to start warning it as spam. A giant contextless pile of numbers is meaningless and anything above 23 keys adds nothing to the discussion by being here. As it stands, the only useful links are the 21 key sellers as you have them stand out with a mark, and in that case they could be posted alone and be just as effective.

And I thank you Sir for the warning. I am a little surprised though they get high scores. People seem to like them. Anyway, point taken, I will stop. No more trouble.

I think you should do a three tier format:

First tier (first line) - number of trades at 21

Second line - number of trades a bit higher than the range (22-23 or so)

Third line - number of trades for much higher

Then you can list how many of each are sold/unsold

I think I should just stop and use it for my own benefit. While I got +scores and people have said they bought up the quicksells via mass links I've posted. I never have gotten thanked. Plus seeing that Vincent's score for the bitch slap means the truth bomb isn't appreciated. But thanks to posting it I have a record and was able to see 2 people price drop from 22 to 21.

You sure no one ever thanked you? I did. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51759902ba25367759000002

I don't really agree with Vincent on this one. Like i said, it isn't optimal, but at least it is contributing to the conversation unlike 75% of the post in bud / key suggestions which contain nothing but people complaining about bp.tf, the economy, etc.

Thanks Simon. I feel filtering is just hiding something. I do try to <<<< point at interesting things.

As you said, the best proof is classifieds. 4 people selling buds under 22 keys now. Other hope that buds will not go lower.

YOU FOOLS! People are only selling their Earbuds cheaper because they can see that the price is dropping. How you can you use that as proof I do not see, as when such a widely used currency like this has a price drop, of course people are going to sell them cheaper. You are just feeding the tidal wave that will bring buds down to 10 keys.

That's excatly what happens to everything S. huntsman is a good example at that one manconomy just aint fair, it's mostly about luck. If people keeps thinking a item will go down, they will not buy it. When no one buys the item it looks like the price is outdated and they make the price cheaper if that pattern continues, well we have already seen it do i need to say more.

We are both going to get a lot of downvotes for what we say, but I don't care. What you said was true but for some odd reason these guys just want to screw with the entire market.

I'd think S huntsman died when SF huntsman came out. which will kill crate 40.

Well yeah that too, actually your right, i'll give another example. actually the hole salvaged stranges in itself is a good example people knows it gets cheaper so their not buying it until the price is stabiliesed THEN, they buy it a ref or 2 rec cheaper than usual pattern continues and in less than a week it's crap.

same happened to keys, people sell for higher because people buy them to STORE them and not use them as they know they will keep increasing, here opposite happens, people sell for cheap as they know it will keep dropping

But the true is that nobody will buy them for this price, for 21-22 for sure.

Clearly your quick sells mean nothing. You just don't get it. :-)

21 is quicksell to get sold higher. Downvote

In the last month quicksell or quickbuys were only shown as proof here ( or highballing ). Key skyrocket, crate 40 fail , bud dropping. ( lowballers vote on prices :P )

Buyers are shown as counter proof why keys shouldn't rise. It makes me LOL

http://tf2finance.com/

Seems to be at 21.56 now. Hmmmmm...

ppl buying buds for less than 22 keys lowers the range, buying at 22 or higher makes it higher. this means quicksales are happening below 22 possibly.. but doesn't mean all sales are happening below 22

that's around the price being suggested........ idk if i should down or upvote.

Not quite there yet, give it a week

i believe it is there and you are a week behind my friend. hop back into your malfunctioning time machine. Also nice to know you have 5 buds sitting in your backpack. I'm sure you have nothing to lose if the value drops. Thanks for being objective.

No need to be rude, got mine from trading my G. Robo sandvich very recently. And I don't need to use my time machine cause the time right now is perfectly fine, just cause I have the item in my backpack doesn't mean I want them to stay up, u are free to your opinion but u don't have to be a douch about it. Flare and insult to your hearts content but I will have nothing to say on the matter.

his math calculations hitted his brain hard i assume

Well i bought i think 14 buds for 21 Keys each ..

and sold 9 buds of them for 22 keys each ..

Proofs :

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033022.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033045.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033118.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033142.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033202.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033219.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033237.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/130422/DAT-033318.png

, So i think 21-22 is fair ..

I agree you bring excellent proof backing and purchases and sales using keys. My arguments are strictly based on cash transactions.

Mine got rejected at this price literally a few hours ago, but I hope yours will be different. Upvoted, anyway, this is the right price and the right price it will remain.

Yeah.... saw that. ap-sap passed though and so did the strange gunslinger and the strange kritz.

Your suggestion should not have been downvoted. Sorry I didn't see it in time to back you up.

Keys are selling at $1.75 and buds are selling for $37.50. So 21-22 sounds appropriate. At that ratio buds should be worth 21.42 keys approximately. Pretty simple math problem actually.

Nah don't talk about math here. $1.75 keys / $0.35 refs = 5 ref.... but that's not why keys are $1.75.... according to this >> http://backpack.tf/vote/id/516fb460ba2536b908000017 its because of this >> http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/983-sup-with-the-key-jump-in/

Math... it never ever proves anything with TF2 economics.

tf2finance accurately reflects my current estimation of the value of buds also. 21.44 keys at 10:29am EST 4/24/13

tf2 finance = accurate ? i doubt that

And how would you say they are inaccurate?

beta ? and i dont think it record all the sales

Buds system is not beta, it is well established.

No system on Earth can record all sales.

Yeah especially when people just add instead of saying 'added' but eh who cares.

Well I agree with the current tf2finance estimation of the buds and keys value. I think some of these people are missing the fact that it's a simple value ratio. Keys are worth X dollars and buds are worth Y dollars. They will shift accordingly. There will always be small variances between their prices but that ratio will equalize as people take advantage of the differences.

Stop quoting TF2finance like its the bible. That's only when bud price needs to raise. :-)

I merely cited tf2finance as a further indicator of the key/bud ratio decline. I never cited that as the reason for my argument. The ONE and only reason for my argument is the price of keys and buds.

Nah TF2economics = based on fairy tales not cold hard math. Totally no way that bud price is connected to key price is connected to ref price. No way.

65,000 buds according to stats.tf * 22 keys each * $1.75 per key = $2.5 million in buds?

stats.tf is not exhaustive. The base64 census found 106 000, and the true number is higher still because of duping and private backpacks.

http://stats.tf2finance.com/#items

Found more.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10311949 << 21 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10312164 << 20 keys a quicksell. I'll give you that

3 at 21.5 (perhaps a better spread) >> http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/earbuds

1 at 21 but eh that's gifted.

It looks like this is his 3rd listing for 20 keys? >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/280161 but that's probably just unique unto him.

20 keys one is a troll trade.

Just bought one for 20. Got an add in 20 seconds

Heres some proof from when i bought buds yesterday

http://i.imgur.com/4R3jtsk.png - Bought for 21 keys + sold 1 key for 5 ref

http://i.imgur.com/KtmrHBq.png - Bought for 21 keys

http://i.imgur.com/AvDXyK8.png - Bought 2 for 43 keys

your link 1 sold quite a few for 22 keys, can you please provide more proof

woah i guess he changed his prices, some more proof is up of me repliying to cleverpun

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10314347 and http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10099541 -- adds for 22 keys, can you provide proof that shows 22 keys aren't sold and maybe some more at 21 keys

22 is still in the range from what i see

also cleverpun said "If they sell in 3 hours at 22 there's no reason to lower the range." non of the adds are in 3 hours, right ?

that first link had an add within the same hour and looks the same with the second

I meant that if they sell that fast at 22 then there's no reason to lower the range--they would need to sit for a very long time to make that the upper range

I apologize for not being clear

yeah i know but it doesn't look like there is much at 21 keys, because they are instantly sold

Pls accept dis suggestion nao and ppl will sell budz for 20 keis. Never ending cycle. PLS

we cant help it

i already said; people see price lowering on backpack.tf, they sell for lower, 2 people selling for lower = new suggestion, once people see the new suggestion they panic again

Eeeexactly

Push.... push little cart.

I would upvote, but cleverpun has made it very clear that he will never accept this suggestion despite the volumes and volumes of proof shown

that doesnt means that you cant upvote pal, is your right to express your belief, even when it gets stomped, its what makes us humans

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10315922 < 21

http://tf2finance.com/ < Says 21,23

nice, u sold in 1 hour for 21 keys, wouldn't you call that a quicksell price or what?

How long are you supposed to sell them for? Be chained to your computer 24/7 or do you want to live life?

21.54 yesterday then 21.44. But honestly there are more 22 keyers than 21.

Better range would be 21.5-22 Keys. I've barely even seen a 21 key earbud, and the ones I've seen are dupes (not valve cleaned ones either, real dupes). It's just too early to include 21. Maybe later on when people start to actually sell clean ones for 21. Which they are not doing right now.

http://puu.sh/2GSAu.png

Oh hello :)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10007051

Buds at 21 keys when he gets them in stock

http://puu.sh/2GTeO.png

Also 2 more on classifieds

There have been a dozen bought and sold for 21 - 21.5 since yesterday. But the admins consider them quick sales.

When has duping ever been relevant? It's just a superfluous excuse to drop price. there is no glowing sign that screeches "LOL DUPED XDDDD" everytime you see buds.

No bud suggestions have ever passed with a .5 key range though :/

I agree

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/143/6/0

UP+

I just bought one of the 21 keys earbuds of classifieds. 21 keys is very possible. upvote

http://puu.sh/2GW0K.png Recent classifieds

Currently another at 21 and a gifted at 21 and a few at 21.3 and a few at 21.5 >> http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/earbuds

Quicksells.... Quicksells.

I sold buds a few days ago basically instantly for 22, downvote

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10300536

Way too easy to sell for 22, way too hard to buy for 21. Downvote.

keys going up, buds going down, now people with unusuals and high-tier promos are afraid to buy buds. At first, I didn't really believe that the market was going to crash, but now I see that it is...what happens now?

>bud prices

I'M GONNA WRECK IT

Wreck it like a ball of yarn little kitten :-)

This is the exact opposite process that is happening to keys

keys are rising so people are selling their buds for keys to make a profit. So buds are dropping.

And cuz buds are obviously dropping others bud sellers get scared and try sell it off before it crashes :S

Currencies are linked.

WOW. THE MARKET IS DYING. GOD SAVE THE MARKET! NUUUU D:

also, fix your evidence. there are only a few that sold for 21. finding more evidences of what people OFFER would be better and at the mean time, the only reason buds are dropping are because of lowballers and these posts. i am awaiting the day it comes back to 27.

See below.

Soooo classifieds has 2 at 21 keys 1 is 17 hours >> http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/earbuds

The 17 hour guy still has them in his pack >> http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197963500354

Oh and to top it off tf2wh is selling them at 19.5 keys. >> and they have 139 of them >> http://www.tf2wh.com/item.php?id=143;6;f59c4d32b8de6c5820fa47eeddeed96f

Isn't the lower price considered the quick sell price? Anyone try looking for killer exclusives lately? price is 2 - 2.33 ref, but you can't really find one for 2 ref at all. 2 ref is the quick sell price, but its still marked.

Anyone want more quicksells to buy up?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10350262 >> 21 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10342037 >> 21.75

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10351033 >> 21.75

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10346503 >> 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9954552 >> 21.5 (2 weeks ago guy updates price)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10351033 >> 21 meh 2 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10300904 >> 21 keys 2 days ago quick not sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324444 >> 21.75 keys

22 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10254100 >> 22 keys 4 days looks like he settled

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10295989 >> 22 keys 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10299278 >> 22 keys 2 days good job sold 1 only 3 more to gooooo :-)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9793909 >> 22 keys from 3 weeks ago (obviously adaptive pricing) not really that many offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10326736 >> 22 keys 1 day stupid offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10277000 >> 22 keys 3 days ago not really any offers.... probably because no one can find anything in 400 outposts

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10297092 >> 22 keys 2 days ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10004838 >> 22 keys 2 weeks ago but maybe they were 23 keys until yesterday and he lowered them

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8917626 >> 22 keys 1 month ago interesting offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9664070 >> 22 keys 3 weeks ago and still selling

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10351802 >> 22 keys HHAHA I saw he bought others at 21. flipper

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10301792 >> 22 keys 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10323145 >> 22 keys 1 day sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10338131 >> 22 keys 17 hours eh

Anyway there you go. Thank me for the quick sales when you flip them.

marry me <3 problem is ,, i am already married </3

If bp.tf priced buds the same way they price keys, buds would be 19-20 (or keys 5.11-5.33).

PS: upvoted because why the hell not

Yep. Market is overflowed with buds unsold at 21keys. Upvoted :/

Downvote.. Price of buds and keys should be fixed, because this stupidity never ends :)

Stick your head in the sand. It'll all be okay.

I've been added for selling me a bud at 20+sweets

upvote

Cleverpun, take a f*cking stand will you?

Either you admit the fact that the range is indeed 21-22 keys, because it is, there are people selling for 21 keys everywhere.

Or you admit that this happens only because of bp.tf price suggestions and it's not the actual price, and refuse this suggestion, trying to "calm down" the prices.

In my opinion number 2 makes sense, even if i upvoted this trade, but in ALL other suggestions you(and the other admins) accepted or didn't accept, that never mattered to you, you never took in consideration the same points you are trying to make in this one.

Regardless it's now general knowledge that buds are crashing, and sellers are going to sell their's off "before" the crash. Obviously contributing to the crash as well as buyer not willing to buy it for a high price since they know/think it will crash further.

There are some 20 key sellers popping up as well

The evidence is there, or you can just search up classifieds plenty of 21 key sellers, since this suggestion has been up for a few days it's actually worse as it seems like the admins are trying to "delay" the inevitable.

Nothing is gonna stop it now... As soon as people think thinks will drop it will continue dropping.

I'd consider it more of a balancing out than a crash. The dollar value of keys and buds are matching up.

They are starting to match up yes, but sellers think of it like this: if i sell now before the crash (for 22 keys) and when it balances out i still have the 22 keys which is obvs worth more.

Compared to when buds and keys balance out (ie buds going down to meet equilibrium with keys)

I have a feeling 20% of outpostings would suddenly be 21 keys if backpack.tf said that was the price. Kudos to clever for holding the line and being the guy with the balls to take the heat for guarding the line. If it was mod puddinghead with 25 buds in his pack, people might question it. Fact is there are 65,000 buds according to stats.tf. That's a lot, but they're desirable. Even more Bills and summer shades yet they're worth so many keys and so easy to obtain back in the day. Buds and shades were free if I'm not mistaken. Shades just required achievements and there are programs out there to give you achievements even if you don't have the games.

I would agree to that as quite a few sellers on trade servers are "quick selling" their buds for 20 keys as they think it would probably drop below 20 keys quickly, backpacktf probs would hasten that process.

You could give kudos to clever to be holding the line, however most people would see it as "abuse of power" as the evidence is pretty damn hard to deny; and this suggestion has been up for a few days already if he "denies" this any furthur people would get pissed further and backpack would lose credibility.

What would be worse is people that use backpack as a guide and buy a bud for 22 keys (since admins have tried to delay the process) when they could have gotten it for 20 keys ie getting ripped off.

My wall of proof has disproven things that still reduced prices and they went through. Keys though.... I can't ever seem to disprove key increases to be honest with you which is sad. I better proved Bills being sold under 8 keys and that was rejected / closed really quick.

I think the wait here is the fact its catching up to the suggestion. So in time it will catch up to the suggestion. Plus who wants to take the heat for denying it? Plus why care if it is approved or denied. So what if they're currencies. There are 400+ selling them. Smells like supply > demand. So many selling that no one can find the 21 keyers on outpost outside of dumb luck.

Yes your wall of text has proved things however when it comes to promos it's quite easy to quick sale. Bill are regularly sold "under" the market price as some people just want some quick cash or promos. Quite a few people sell their bills to scrap.tf to make quick metal/keys, yet also alot buy from them well knowing that they were bought at a lower price. (Quite obvious that selling above market price is near impossible)

I agree, conversely keys are still going higher and higher as every trader knows/thinks "keys will be higher" and you have people buying at slightly higher prices because they think keys will go higher anyways so it aint matter.

You can have 400 sellers or more but most are out to get a profit or are currently trying to minimise loss. Earbuds are always bought for around 35$ and keys are only available through the store for 2.5$, it will always be that price. Technically there has been no crash as it has always been worth the same in real money values.

I also find it interesting no one is really counter proving anything. People have said those are just quick sales. Well there seem to be a lot over the past 2 days and I gave proof of 22 keyers not selling as fast. They still sell fast where I can't really find a long term bud sale where its like they don't sell at 22 keys.

WH having 139 buds and selling them for 19.5 is interesting too.... but they have 9,000+ keys and key prices still rise.

Another thing about 'quicksells' at 21 keys.... I point out this one is 21 keys that one is 21 keys yet they're still here. No one buys them. Of course maybe those people are too lazy to take down their outposts or maybe they keep buying at 20 keys to post at 21.

the problem is that according to him "he works on evidence" and doesn't "guard the line" of any item. either he admits he is trying to hold the value up or he accepts this suggestion.

To be honest there was less proof with the previous suggestion than with this one. There is a lot more evidence and valid points with this suggestion.

1. Classifieds have 21 - 22 keys.

2. Financial of bud dollar value to key dollar value

3. Trader that posted proof

4. Outpostings. While there are 40 or so 22 key bud sellers there seem to be plenty of unsold 21 key bud sellers even with me pointing them out at 21 keys.

5. WH selling for 19.5 keys and even at a 'quicktrade' discount it should be 20 keys and they have around 140 buds.

6. TF2finance. I hate to use them, but hey some people like to mention them.

the comments he made were in this thread, just search for his posts.

they are all hidden due to so many dislikes.

Just throwing my 2 cents in, that as much as it pains me to keep lowering the earbuds price, I did buy 2 pairs from two separate sellers , and I sold 1 for 22 keys pure after ~1 day, and I sold the other for 23 keys in strange festives, which I sold for 23 keys also within a day.

At least no tf2finance link, kudos for you for that :]

in my heart buds are still 25 keys ;_(

Yeah like to me my sf buff banner is worth $12. I use it all the time.

Keys have been going up and up in price over the past few months. Mainly due to Valve clamping down hard on carders, meaning there's a lot less keys on the market as before. Use your head guys.

So they say yes. It has nothing to do with market or ref being $0.35 cents * 5 ref per key = $1.75 keys. Clearly that's wrong. Valve is clamping down.

Wow O_o so many comments and arguing over buds all of these price fluctuations are getting very serious.

wtf is wrong with the tf2 market? i leave for 2 months and this happens

Too much people joining Backpack.tf. That's all.

Keys rise in dollar value everything else goes down.

when the metal-dollar currency changes to the key price all our bp values in dollars drop.... problems

That's the season event. I think it will establish to the beginning of the summer

http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/1d6ods/store_many_things_that_dont_belong/

But... why? The key thing can be attributed to greed, but this defies logic.