Suggestion: Nuts n' Bolts Madame Dixie at 11.62–12.59 keys

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~11 keys

n&b

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This suggestion was accepted Wed, 01 May 13 05:47:48 +0000 by Elsa Payaso.

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No Range!!!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10429120 -

offered BMOC+1 key=13 keys

offered 13 keys+2ref in items

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9717678

16 keys in items-(3 weeks old)

15 keys on Dixie(3 weeks old)

Sales: couldn’t find any

Buyers:12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9717664

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9659785

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9625303

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9705504

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7988528

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9896694

conclusion:12 keys buyers. 3 on outpost and no range. Many 12 keys offers rejected aswell

12 key buyers buy all unusual hats for 12 keys, not just dixies. They prove current range.

16 keys in items and the 15 keys prove that other ranges were right three weeks ago.

BMOC, as the seller stated, is a hard sell at 12 and is also an item (item overpay) and 13 keys+2 ref in items also applies to the item overpay.

Downvoted.

buyer trades are just supporting the 12 key range doesn't make it 12 keys. ex: someone is buying a scorching coupe for 2 buds. does it make it 2 buds?-NO

16 keys and 15 keys- I did not include them in the range. because like i already said in the pinned post they were 3 weeks ago

BMOC- is 12 keys it doesn't sell as fast as let's say bills hats. this is the price on the site. 11 keys-is a quickbuy. I have never heard you need to overpay in items for unusals just items>items and unusals>unusals. items are more easy to sell then unusals.

Anyone who regularly sells unusuals (like myself) takes item overpay into account because we don't want to sell a mashup of items when we already have to sell something.

Buyer trades support that you can sell any unusual for 12 keys, the dixie so happens to be one of them.

Why did you even bother to include those two offers if they have zero relevance to your suggestion?

BMOC is a hard sell at 12. It's difficult to sell at 12. If I want it gone in a day, I sell at 11. If I don't care if it sits there for a week, I sell for 12.

EDIT: In regards to the buyers, the main reason they aren't very relevant is because they aren't specifically buying the NNB dixie and are rather just buying anything that floats their way for that price.

Overpay in items does not really matter much in lowtier unusual trading such as this.

Not to be rude, but that's also swings my way.

If the unusual is so low tier, why can't you just pay in keys? It doesn't make much sense if it's so low tier that I can't just get the pure by sitting there another few minutes.

was this a suggestion for the BMOC?-no

mashup of items? what bmoc+1 key is not a bunch of stuff to sell.

the item offer which had like pink bills,s degreaser and some other stuff+1 key.

I wouldn't make people overpay in items. if they were paying in items for mine i would ask for overpay same thing with unusals. but when offering items for unusals. the owners of the unusal don't care too much. as rule of the thumb a bills and some lower tier items are easier to sell then a "cancer" unusal

the old offers was just SHOWING that this unusal has recieved higher offers-3 weeks ago. and to provide more proof for the rise

Old offers have zero relevance to current trading and apply only to future/past trading.

We differ in our item policy, then. I always require overpay in items (more or less, depending on the tier) as reselling puts me back at square one with a different item, no matter the quality.

I didn't see the rest of his offer(13+2ref), I apologize, I was looking at the initial offer.

And regardless of which price voting this is, the point still stands. According to http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10421801, the owner values BMOCS lower than 12 keys.

bills=7 keys-he might be different and wants promos to be valued less when someone is offering

everyone is different. but according to this site. overpayment in items is not required.

3 weeks old was just showing that even old offers were higher.(3 weeks still isn't that long ago)

In three weeks, though, two suggestions have been passed, which means that the offer no longer pertains to this suggestion and rather pertained to those. That's why I'm stating that they're so irrelevant.

According to this site, yes, however, it's an unwritten rule of trading, as is unusual overpay.

There's a forum post saying it is important to count unusal overpay on any tie

. Nothing about items

No forum posts=/=it isn't an unwritten rule. :P

no rules are written. there's a post made by a moderator about making a good suggestion.there are no rules on this site/exluding the forums. so with that logic We don't need proof at all

and stop commenting to yourself please

No, that post is basically stating that if your suggestion doesn't have x, x, and x, that 99 times out of 100, your suggestion will bomb and fail due to that and not that fact that you were genuinely wrong.

It's an unwritten rule of trading/pricing. Please stop twisting my words to suit your argument.

However, on a related note to the suggestion, one real trade and another trade detailing very old offers (due to two suggestions being passed during the time frame of then and now. I still count this as having no relevance to the suggestion itself and I can't really be swayed otherwise) really isn't enough to win me or most people over. If you provided more proof, I would be swayed but with only one trade, I stand my ground.

ok. i don't need to count overpay which you basically just stated

idk why you keep trying. you can't provide actual counter-proof

Where did I say that? Please tell me where I contradicted myself; I would like to know.

And you can only provide one trade which can easily just as well be an outlier. There is plenty of proof I can find to support current range, ie, the people who buy any unusual for 12 keys will undoubtedly outweigh one trade.

dark-hello2 · modified 5 minutes ago · Score: 0

maybe editing your comments to TRY to prove your wrong point

I didn't even count the 15 key and 16 offers. stop crying over it

if your trying to try the offers outliers you are completley wrong. 2 offers in the range of 13-13.5 keys offers aren't outliers.

think before you post.

You didn't answer my question, you only provided more irrelevant information.

"the old offers was just SHOWING that this unusal has recieved higher offers-3 weeks ago. and to provide more proof for the rise" Think before you post, mate. You're including them to help prove that the item should rise.

"...one trade which can easily just as well be an outlier." I never said it was, however, I said it easily could be.

Those offers are item offers and not pure. Bring me sales of 13 pure and I'll change my mind.

just sold for a BMOC+1 key. to http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/278669

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10375583 sold for 17 keys?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9751138 - rejected 12 keys,16 keys in items,12 keys in items+2 keys

1. Item overpay(ISN'T PURE)

2. You'd need more proof than a closed trade. I can put http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10457379 and you'd believe that I sold for 18 keys but I didn't. Contact him/her and ask him/her what he/she actually sold for?

3. That trade is well over 3 weeks old and therefore applies to past trading, as I've stated before. 3 weeks ago would apply to the 10-13 suggestion that was accepted two weeks ago.

EDIT: Fixed typos

ok i'm done responding to your comments. unless you have real counter proof

1. you have no counter-proof

2. you ask for sales then you cry about it being 3 weeks ago

3. I don't need to count overpay in items

4. I couldn't care less about your opinion.

5. you can't read, you try to argue more about a already failed arguement

stop. no need to make yourself fail anymore

1. You're providing proof for things that have already been confirmed by the community via previous suggestion. I don't understand what you really don't get about that.

2. I ask for sales that would prove this suggestion, not the previous ones. I also asked for pure sales, which you cannot provide. I don't understand what you really don't get about that.

3. You don't, but everyone else will.

4. Loled. Seems I shouldn't care about yours or the market's either.

5. I'm reading and providing my argument, you seem to want to keep denying it with irrelevant proof.

We'll see who won when the mods approve or deny this. <3

In regards to the 13 keys+2 ref (I'm checking your proof), which offer is actually 13 keys+2 ref?

look at the 1st link

2nd offer

looks like he closed his trade an hour ago though

Please see my apology above as I've already stated that I overlooked that.