Suggestion: Bill's Hat at 7.5–8 keys

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Bill's Hat

Submitted Fri, 03 May 13 02:53:38 +0000 by ★ Wembley

24.9%

8 keys

7.5–8 keys

~3.68 keys

195 votes up

588 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Fri, 03 May 13 18:24:00 +0000 by Elsa Payaso.

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I notice that there is quite a bit of friction, and as this is the silver standard of TF2 its not gonna be easy to move, so I'm going for a small drop. TF2 is experiencing deflation caused by keys, and I can't help but notice how reluctant people are to move this price. Its been 8 months, I think its about time this got a bump.

Various 8 key Bills unsold:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10358647

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10494835

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9821237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367635

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10494801

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10416238

Plus a bunch more that I'm too lazy to paste.

There is a good chance that this will be bombed into the ground, but the way people deal with bills is starting to get a little odd. I figure a price refresh will help iron out all these people trying to sell bills for 9+ keys.

Thanks!

no.

a counter-argument would have been nice

on bill suggestion, no counter is needed.

I wish i too can change the currency of the game with only 6 links and want people to take me seriously

that right there is a counter-argument.

Happens with keys :P

Damn, for once I agree with you. This calls for a celebration.

have you ever had so much likes long?

"There is a good chance that this will be bombed into the ground."

Understatement of the year.

There have been multiple Bills' Hat suggestions, most of them using quickbuying links and ONLY quickbuying links. The problem here is you have six links, and only six links, and you cite you are "too lazy to paste",

Huge waste of my time. I am downvoting.

Bills are 8 keys flat still

Only painted bills are dropping

as much as i hate this guy he is right

Who hate pro pants? Why i've never seen him around. And i dont think he's right

Can't be lazy on a currency suggestion.

one does not simply, suggest a new price for a bills

free rep

I was shot down with more proof than you.

I said it earlier and repeat now: there are no reasons PROMO to become cheaper. You just haave to wait to find customer. Propbably it is a bit harder to sell painted bills', but unpainted one - has firm price 8 keys.

Downvote for me

Ah: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10425362

Also:

2nd link: sold

4th link: sold

5th link: sold for 8 keys I guess

last link: someone agreed but they didn't trade

Sorry, but downvote

Mate even if you end up getting lots of negative remarks do not loose hope. The irony is that none of the people who downvoted you would buy a unpainted bill's hat for 8 keys flat.

I accept them as 8 keys but dont need to buy them since i prefer holding keys

Downvoted because bad proof. Insufficient amount of proof, and some of those links now show sold bills.

Too lazy to click upvote, so I just downvoted.

http://scrap.tf/

imagine if someone put a bills into the "sell hats" section instead of the "sell items" section

imagine if someone put a vintage bills into the "sell hats" section instead of the "sell items" section

7.5 quicksell. 8 is the standard.

"this is the silver standard of TF2 its not gonna be easy to move"

...provides only 6 links out of the 20+ pages of sellers on TF2outpost.

There are a LOT of overpriced painted ones, you know. More painted than unpainted on outpost, in fact.

overpricing items on outpost? gee, i've never heard of that happening

I get that, I'm just trying to emphasize that there are more than 6 unpainted Bill's Hats on outpost.

Just over 13 pages of them, actually: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/104367168

I don't disagree that the proof is lacking, but please stick to the facts. Things like exaggeration and anecdotal evidence aren't any better support than being lacking in trade links.

http://qkme.me/3u7yqi

I provided a lot more proof and was shot down with no statement as to why.

Yet this guy lasted longer than I did. Weird. Its like a free proof train or someone is waiting for me to show 60+ at 8 keys with 400+ of 8 - 10 keys

One is 8 keys + 2 ref. One is sold out on unpainted bills.

Just because the bill's hats aren't sold doesn't mean their value has dropped. It means people can't buy low and sell high to get enough profit to get a bill's hat.

Although your suggestion may have a bit of merit to it, as demand is becoming more elastic while supply is becoming less elastic, you need volumes upon volumes of proof in order to properly support your argument.

6 dubious links just don't cut it, and you can't be "too lazy to paste" links on a suggestion of such import.

Well the thing is bills is not used as a hat its more of a currency so if keys are increasing bills should decrease just as buds are.

Yeah, they should. Wait... they are not.

not necessarily, the reason things like buds decreased (for now) and keys are increasing is because people are willing to buy / sell for said prices. But Bills just seem to be stapled at 8 keys, maybe they will move in the future, but for now they are stuck at 8 keys

comparing buds to bills is like comparing gold to silver. They can have a different price ratio at different times (A lot of times depended on the inflation of dollars/keys).

http://trade.tf/price/126/6

Suggestion is correct but backpack.tf doesn't like changing this item for some reason.

It actually makes a lot of sense for Bill's Hat to go from 8 to 7+ keys: it's roughly the same decrease that Earbuds experienced as key prices increased.

Of course, most of the trades under 8 keys are made on WTB trades, but with the help of trade.tf you can find some sellers at under 8:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10515154

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10508398

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507246

http://bazaar.tf/trade/206903

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198024427134

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10501810

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10497744

http://trade.tf/trade/516946529

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10493340

Nobody really wants to sell their Bill's Hat for less than 8 keys, but with the enormous demand for keys, some have to sell for less in order to make the trade, and to be fair, backpack.tf's guide should reflect that.

None of them are selling for 7.5, 2 are closed presumably sold others are too recent so that means those under 8 are being bought. i think,.

I'm not saying the range is exactly correct but the fact is trades are happening at less than 8 keys, and I'd wager most of the recent trades for keys are happening at less than 8 these days, as the first link is indicating.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10506591

proof I guess

So far I've sold 10 of them in a few days at the current price, while only being online part of the time. I'd have to say current price is accurate from what I have experienced. - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10408819

NO WAY

need more proof

While I believe Bill's have depreciated a bit (whenever I've gotten one lately seems like it took forever to convert), you're gonna need a mountain of proof to change a currency item. Just look at how many trades the average key suggestions gets, and even then those still have tops a 25% chance of acceptance.

Bill's hat is worth less than 8 keys. Everyone knows it, but you guys probably have one in your backpack or in alts'. Who the hell wants to buy craftable hat for 8 keys if he can own pure keys. Bill's are not even marketable. CURRENCY?! Hehe, it's so funny, because they are gonna fall and nobody will change anything.

I feel like bills hat pricing at 8 keys is like the don't kill spycrabs gamer code, its like we all just agree and that's great :3

You can't change the price of a bills. It's immune to key inflation, everybody knows that.

Another bill suggestion in 2 days with almost no-proof.. Just stop that D:

just look at the op buyers, rage against all of those lowballers as hell that resell succefully at 8. Also, if u want to sell a bill hat, just go to a trade server and it's done

one of the things people like about bill's is the price is static, no one is going to want to change that.

not enough proofs

If we want to protect Bills hat, why not keys and buds too?

Tf2 Finance, Bills hat: 7,8 keys

Lots of TS unsold at 9 lots of black/white unsold at 10.

Upvoted.

Laziness is the problem of everyone's existence , the excuse of not adding in more is invalid and will not be excused .

What "Status: Assigned" means?

I agree bills are starting to become hard to sell but you need more proof

NO JUST NO. bills is a currency like keys [idk that theyve changed -_-]. you cannot, i repeat CANNOT simply change it. unless you would like to offer more than 6 simple links on something that is so flatlined and stable?

No just fucking nooo.

Lol, 6 unsold 8 keys Bill's Hats justified by "Plus a bunch more that I'm too lazy to paste." -- Pet hate right there, signature of a noob suggester.

Furthermore, dat suggestion history - http://backpack.tf/vote/id/514c9dbbba25362328000005

No valid proof given, so no counter-proof from us is required. Absolute downvote from me. Please stop making these suggestions. Just go away and cry in a corner somewhere with all the rest of the community's rubbish suggesters.

Need more proof

Bills always must be 8 keys ! No less , no more , thats my opinion :3

Just sold a Ts one for 9 keys after 1 day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10504421

So 8 should be easily possible for an unpainted one.

Outpost is flooded with them but they still go for 8 keys.

I've seen a few painted ones for quicksell prices on outpost but never a normal one.

we should at least have 1 item that will never drop. ^^

Such a commonly traded item should be lowered because of 6 trades? Leave.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no :D

your link 4 is sold out of unpainted bills for 8 keys each, no.

6 links is a joke. Post some more. I would say 80+

Most of your links are sold and one is trying to sell for 8 keys + 2 ref. On the comments, all trades that post a bills for less than 8 keys are completed already. A few unsold at 8 keys for a couple of days doesn't mean the price should be lower.

You suggested 7.5 keys with no proof AT ALL.