Suggestion: Gift Wrap at 0.8–1 keys

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Gift Wrap

Submitted Fri, 03 May 13 14:58:36 +0000 by ★ neverclever

63.42%

1 key

0.8–1 keys

~3.61 ref

189 votes up

109 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Sat, 04 May 13 18:13:39 +0000 by Elsa Payaso.

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The market for these is flooded. No one wants to take less than a key for them, but moving them at 1 key takes time and buying them below a key is doable

http://imgur.com/QzrhRxe My buys and sells

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10214888 my buy trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10438293 my sell trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9042161

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10450110 successful buying at 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10193103 Successful buying at 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10465485 unsuccessful buying at 4.66 (?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10482174 successful selling at 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10275312 semi-successful at key minus a scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10471997

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10355105

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10490730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10169354

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10151693

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10246215

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10323457

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9624618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9897079

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10487712

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10292209 limited success selling at 1 key despite huge stocks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10520433 Selling for key minus .44, new trade

And I hate to use steam market prices, but the steam prices for gift wrap are consistently ~30 cents lower than the prices for keys.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/515e3ae4ba2536484500000d Previous suggestion, some of the proof is still valid given the age of the price.

WTF a coulpe of days ago this guy cleverpun was arguing that quickbuys are not allowed. And now in this suggestion he himself is posting those? Common mate have some self respect.

indeed, he did that in my earbud suggestion,, it got accepted anyway

For most suggestions quickbuys are not valid evidence. If something isn't moving at the normal price then one needs to start looking at quickbuys, however.

It is moving alright, keep the quick-sells away.

Cleverpun, you're not being clever here. And that was a pun.Ba dumm tssskkk

god have mercy on your soul the tf2 community hates hypocrites

My job as a mod is to tell the truth and be objective, to the best of my abilities. Doing both those jobs well so far is why people don't like me.

And don't drag God into this; I'm sure they have better things to do.

sold for 1, willing buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10471997

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10169354

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10239172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10151693

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10246215

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10323457

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9624618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10490730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10089219 ( 5 ref, 1 key old offer)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10482760

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10321985

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9953633 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10145872

Ok, here are my problems with this.

(1) Usually when an item has a range, there will be a few sellers at the low end of the range. For an item like a gift wrap, if there is not a single seller at 4 ref, that should flat out not be in the range. You aren't even showing sellers in the middle of the range. All your proof is from quickbuyers.

(2) Saying unsold at 1 key or limited at 1 key is deceptive because a ton of the mass sellers of gift wrap leave a trade open and buy/restock as needed or when there is a favorable time to sell keys on the market.

(3) Showing proof of unsolds is easy. Showing proof of solds is the challenge. You should know this. Go on a website like tf2tp that shows actual sales and you will see that all gift wraps are selling at 1 key. Sure, it may take a little bit longer to sell at 1 key (like it is taking a bit longer to sell bill's at 8 keys), but most are still selling at 1 key.

Sellers at 4 move quickly and you can't search closed outpost trades.

It might be quicksell level, but I didn't do .9-1 because there was a big argument about that on the upgrade gift suggestion yesterday. If this doesn't pass I suppose I may not have a choice.

I am aware the wording is a bit weaselly, but I checked every pack and didn't find strong evidence of lots of sales. They may have restocked, but its hard to tell when all I have to go on is "I sold 39 trust me on this."

A site like tf2tp tracks all trades and would include those trades at 4 ref. There are 50 gift wrap trades in the last 5 days. Only 1 seller selling for less than 1 key - http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9407785. 49 trades going for 1 key or more (one seller at 1.2 keys).

And since people have a natural distaste for tf2tp, I get around this problem by finding the same seller from tp on outpost and showing the sale/closed trade there. Either way, it gives a generally representation of what the market is like.

And if you flip over to the buyers side, it looks like the successful buyers are buying at 4.66 ref and 5 ref.

wait

that range is too difficult

how much is 0.8 keys?

.2 keys = 1 ref

I buy them often and the best price I could get, yet, is 1 key for gift wrap + a rec. I could not find anyone selling for 1 key, less 1 ref.

so you making this range to help your trading? lol, i remember how spreadsheet's admin lost his reputation, same here

There is a difference between making a suggestion to help your own trading, and noticing a pattern because of your trading.

I've been buying them for 4 regardless of the price we list here, and I'll continue to buy them for 4 whether this passes or not. This passing will make it harder to sell the ones I have. Better to inform people they can get it cheaper, since the entire point of the site is to help inform consumers.

I've lowered the prices of countless items I've owned, including multiple unusuals. If you're going to make bland ad hominem attacks please put some effort into it.

And it's official, had to close my buying trade due to too much stock.

As covered on multiple topics, if lots of traffic is happening at quicksell prices then that means it may be time to reappraise their "quicksell" status. It's so trivial to get gift wrap for 4 that I stand by my range.

naaaah, just ,, no

wait? gift wraps below a key?

The buyers you show are not only above your low end, but also resellers.

Plus, unsuccessful at 4.66; that's like the best counter-proof.

What about selling trades <1 key?

damm, i was just colecting proof to lower the price of giftwarps!

btw, nice proof upvoted

You could post it anyway; the more proof the better with an item like this

here, did't check if these ware duplicates.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10450110 4.00 REF

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10496873 4.00 REF

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10214888 4.00 REF 1 bought (hey it's you!)

- 1+ week old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10193103 4.33 REF 2(+) bought

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10306585 4.00 REF 1 bought

It would perhaps be better to change the price to ref rather than using keys still.

Second of all is the steam community market. That's not a good viable source of proof, as you can buy gift wrap from the Valve store in-game for 50 cents less than a key in-game. I'm assuming people buy from the steam community market if they live outside of the US and the gift wrap is cheaper in the market due to currency conversion.

Downvoting, need to change the currency type.

I tried that in my last suggestion a mod closed it saying it should stay in keys

Isn't the whole point of this site to accurately reflect what items are going for?

If they go for less than a key, why shouldn't they be listed in ref? It just seems odd that this "definitely" has to remain a key.

Buying for less than 1 key takes significantly longer than selling for 1 key.

then why do I have 9 unsold wraps in my pack?

many reasons like:

1. No one likes you.

2. No bumping

3. Late add request acceptance.

4. Not accepting items or metal.

5. All of the above.

The first 3 reasons are invalid; I'm just another trader on outpost, I have autobumps and use all my regular bumps, and I accept all incoming adds.

http://postimg.org/image/nduucme4n/ sold 4 for a key and one for a TC in 3 days time, the tc i sold for a key + rec

EDIT: just sold another one http://postimg.org/image/oll0dg3kn/

The giftwraps should stay at one key. In the past 6-7 days I've sold giftwraps for one key each. There was even two times where I got offered items that were above a key. And yes, there was a guy wanting to buy one with four ref, but he had an own giftwrap trade going up where he sells for 1 key and 3-4 ref.

The puush links are a bit longer due to the settings being on private.

My trade was : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10357894

The guy that offered four ref and his old trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10413895

Puush links

http://puu.sh/2M2Rv/5e75062b7e.png

http://puu.sh/2M2RY/eb47042926.png

http://puu.sh/2M2Tn/fab4d9b794.png

http://puu.sh/2M2TX/ca1e43967f.png (G. Awper being 1 key at the time and the rifle 1.33)

http://puu.sh/2M2UZ/d4e4bbd21c.png

http://puu.sh/2M2Vn/e6f8071929.png

http://puu.sh/2M2Xe/f2ef602620.png (Rocket launcher has the part Critical Kills and can be seen as an offer in the trade itself)

http://puu.sh/2M2VI/7744412a62.png

http://puu.sh/2M2Wd/accc8ba721.png

I suppose this would be enough proof as in why it should stay.

I sold a bunch for 4.88 or I gave 1 scrap back for a key.

I had to bump my price because I ended up with too much metal at once.

Some trades from the last few days and I'm sure that I missed some:

http://imgur.com/UyJYjfI,apzQUFh,JFqqkfA,ULX54NC,W2v2ddz,dfVcbQS,EZAYf5X,UlHZOtV,TtRFlma

And that's only from my trade.

My buying trade : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10450110 <- 3 days old, autobump, none bought.

They need a metal range from 4.77-5.11 since the value of keys is always one step ahead.

If the ´price´ for a key is 5 refined then it'll be hard to get them for 5.11. Therefore most people would rather pay the ´official price´ of a key in metal for a wrap instead of just paying a key.

.2 keys = 1 refined is just too much of a quicksell.

And yeah, I own 30+ of them.

As I noted above my last suggestion was closed for being in ref not keys.

Given the number of people who want a key minus metal I can see the reasoning.

So 1 key is fine then. I honestly don't understand your suggestion in that case.

Keys are 4.77 - 5.11 so your new range of .8-1 keys would be 3.88-5.11 refined.

To add to my previous pics:

http://imgur.com/wh1orPl,iiLtB4U,a2ihVfT,wm5TsaX,EEKlkxC,rVukb0b,lvtpd3y#5

No one wants to buy at 1 key, I know because when I want to trade my Spine-Cooling Skull, people say 'Do I need wrap, I don't want to buy it for 1 key, Cya' Upvote

Can we not go lower than 1 key if the range is in keys?

So does that mean it can only increase or stay the same?

My last suggestion was in ref and it was closed for not being in keys

why not have the range in refined? looks kinda fucked up like that