Suggestion: Nuts n' Bolts Doctor's Sack at 14.19–17.23 keys

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~15 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Fri, 10 May 13 17:41:34 +0000 by SirJjjon.

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I have owned this hat in the past, and in my expierence I can tell you the current value of 12-14 Keys is incorrect.

Within minutes after aquiring this hat for my 15-16 Key Strange PDA, I was offered a White Bill's (10 Key Bill's) + 3 Keys from a random trader who had an appreciation for the hat and wanted it for the humor that goes along with the 'Nutsack' theme; I noted this offer in my Outpost thread at the bottom of the, now remnant, post as my Counter Offer here [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10003353[/url]. I eventually sold the hat 3 days later for a Strange Pan (15-16 Keys at the time) + 1 Refined sweet. I no longer have the Strange Pan because I traded it for a Big Kill shortly after making the buy, but the owner of the hat right above me can verify the transaction.

2 weeks ago there were almost 2 full pages of Nutsacks for sale on Outpost; those have since been snatched up extremely quick at the current suggested price with now only 3 of those trades left open on the market. I believe if I was patient I could have gotten even more than 15-16 Keys in value than was offered to me at the time.

More proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10339984 - 15 Keys [TS Bill's + 5 Keys] (1 day ago)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10169904 - 21 Keys [Planets Rag - 1 Key] (2 weeks ago)

I plan to bolster this post a little more tomorrow, but the potential of this hat's theme bears on the market and shows that the current price is definitely a quicksell price. This price, most importantly, hurts backpack.tf integrity as an unusual price-check website if it is left to remain the same.

Please upvote and thank you.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10169904 - 21 Keys [Planets Rag - 1 Key] (2 weeks ago)

rag (13-17)

14 key offer

TS bills:8.5 keys+5 13.5 key offer

what he ^ said

#1 TS Bills isnt 10 keys

#2 Planets rag is listed at 13-17, with unusual overpay (median price * 0,9) thats 12,734 keys, even if you round that up its 13 keys and thus within the current range. on top of that the sack wasnt sold to the one making the offer.

#3 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10194668 accepted an offer of 13, did not sell to that person though. Dont know

#4 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10247131 - same person offers 13 keys again, had an 15 keys offer but declined because he wanted to swap. From the itemhistory it looks like he sold it for the 15 keys though.

dont see 17 keys pure anywhere

My original post was incorrect. I had a lapse of memory but couldn't modify the post before I went to bed. I traded my Nutsack for FOUR refined in sweets AND the Strange Pan (15-16 Keys) = 16-17 Keys 2 weeks ago. That's where the high end comes from in my expierence.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10391926 (18 Keys offer for the rag) (1 week old)

18 Key OFFER on the Rag - 1 key = 17 keys at least.

And you also assume my suggestion is not pure implying that the prices on backpack.tf are wrong because of the overpay system! That is absurd IF the price was already agreed upon, otherwise proofs are useless in valuing an item. And, on top of that, they are COMPARING UNUSUALS! why would you have to calculate overpay in that case? 14-17 Keys is conservative when the LINKED affiliate TF2PC gauges Orbiting Planets Duty Rag at 1 Buds + sweets! This is a well liked hat, the duty rag, and when you (like the guy above you) only check one source you can't discover the true consensus which is that this particular doctor’s sack is not simply a low-tier hat because IT IS, INDEED, THEMED and people are willing to pay more for it.

#1 TS Bill's I calculate as such: plain Bill's hat is 8 Keys. If you want TS paint backpack.tf states that it is 1.2 keys. 8+1.2=9.2 right? What if you can't dupe someone into believing this becuse they are savvy like me, savvy because I know if you want the TS color I know you must do either 1 of 2 things, trade in game or buy it with USD from the mannco store. If you trade for it you need AT LEAST 1 KEY (and +~.2key). Now, if you don't have that extra key you can't trade for the paint, this is what changes the story. So you would have to go to the mannco store to buy a Key since no ones selling keys affordably to people without 10 alts nowadays. The price is 2.50USD for 1 key. The price is also 2.50 for TS paint. Either way you are spending 2.50USD since you don't have that extra key. If 1.35 dollars for a key in the game is equal to 2.5 dollars in the manco store, then if the price increases for a key in the game because there is a scarcity that forces people to buy more from the store, then this will bring the price in the game closer to the price in the store, raising the price of all items. The price of TS varies depending if you have a Key or not, and most people don't even have 1 Key. What once bought you 1 key IN THE GAME now costs you closer to 1.25 due to inflation making TS bills 8 + 1.5 (1.25x1.2) Keys minimum.

#2 I addressed the Rag above

#3 i've shown counterproof and i'll find more. i have to water my garden soon

#4 15 keys (in my range, and clearly above 12-14) and hes not selling it now for 15 again because he thinks it's now worth more! if people don't want to sell them for offers of 15 keys anymore, as i have proven, then you are simply posting old and misleading proof here.

This should also satiate the other poster.

I really appreciate all of your feedback and i hope to post more proof. I hope to hear from more traders soon so this can be accepted and gl.

#1 thats not how it works e.g. here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10607377 TS bills for 8k + 4r - Its simple: color on an items is worth less because it is on that specific item and it cant use it for anything else.

#2 some would consider it a forced theme, but thats beside the point because that is not relevant. If you think the price of the rag is wrong, make a suggestion for that hat.

The 18 keys offer was retracted therefor it is not a sale.

But lets say the rag is 18 keys flat, just for funsies: 18*0,9 - 1 = 15,2 or 18-1*0,9 = 15,3 either way its still not 17 keys.

Unusual overpay is the usual way to detemin prices in pure. Im not going to argue that topic.

#3 you have shown proof that the current range is wrong indeed, but you have yet to show 17 keys pure or remake the suggestion with a better range (e.g. 13-15k)

#4 yes, my argument is not that the current range is the correct one, but that your high end is wrong. Ok refuse the proof as wrong because its old I can life with that. The current range was accepted 10 days ago and the offer was 1 week ago though it still happend after the last change.

If you refuse the 15k offer as proof you have even less proof for a raise of the highend of the price though.

#1 If my logic is at odds with the current state of affairs then you clearly admit my analysis is, in fact, logical and that some of the community is still lagging behind in this understanding from the evidence you've shown. The truth is any rational person, including myself, would pay 9.5 Keys for a TS Bill's, and if paint is less valuable on an item, then maybe paint isn't that valuable, otherwise this just seems like one gigantic scam/outdated tradition to me. It's simple, either you like the color or you don't: that's the true test of value, not these artificial ideas some people make up.

#2 Some would consider it a forced them, but then again they were never in on the joke to begin with. There's something disconcerting about some player running around with a Nutsack on their head... and that's a fact. Anyway, some would consider TF2 hats worthless in general, but then again THEY were never in on the joke to begin with either.

#3 The more proof I was talking about:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10113002 - 17-20 Keys [Blizzardy Storm Hetman's Headpiece 1:1, has been offered a steaming tippler worth 20 for the hetman's http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9879087 http://www.tf2pricecheck.net/Thread-PC-Steaming-Tippler-s-Tricorne?page=2] (2 weeks ago)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10169904 - 21 Keys [Planets Rag http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10391926 http://www.tf2pricecheck.net/Thread-PC-Orbiting-Planets-Heavy-Duty-Rag - 1 Key] (2 weeks ago)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10003353 - 17 Keys [Strange Pan + 4 Refined] (2 weeks ago)

#4 I don't deny this hat got a 15 Key offer http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10339984.

I LITERALLY JUST MADE A BUDS RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES TWO TIMES AND MYSELF ENDED UP WITH 18 KEYS THROUGH TRADES INVOLVING THIS HAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY PROPHET IS TORMENTING ME LIKE THIS. HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN ARGUE WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T READ OR RESEARCH AND SHOW QUICKSALES AND TRY TO PASS THEM AS EVIDENCE.

Thank you please don't make me add more evidence. I'm seriously getting weary of arguing like this. Please accept this price suggestion and thank you again.

#1 yes trading in tf2 is not logical. It is like most markets driven by feelings and opionions. People like the team captain thus it has a high demand and high price, there is nothing logical about that. But noone thinking logically would pay 8 units of currency for something you can get for 7 units of currency.

#2 well as someone smarter then me said: if you have to explain the theme its not a theme. Anyway wether its a theme or not does not affect the price if it is not reflected in the trades occuring. See #1 if I can get a nice themed hat for x why would I pay more just because its themed?

1. trade is 3 weeks old the offer 2 weeks, you refused my proof because it was 1 week old. That makes no sense, but I will check it:

blizzardy storm is listed at 16-21 or 19.35 (if you take buds as 21,5) thats indeed 18,4 even with overpay. Looks like the guy who made the last suggestion missed it as the trade was in his list of proof. Neither trade did happen yet, dont know but for unusuals thats fine.

2. trade is the rag again, we allready had that one.

3. dont see proof of s. pan + 4 ref anywhere

#4 where is there a s. pan offer?

# about your prices from price check:

http://www.tf2pricecheck.net/Thread-PC-Steaming-Tippler-s-Tricorne?page=2 - from 21.02.2013 almost 3 month old - from someone with 0 rep

http://www.tf2pricecheck.net/Thread-PC-Orbiting-Planets-Heavy-Duty-Rag - from 08.11.2012 ~6 month old - from some with 0 rep

those are pretty shaky sources you got there for the prices.

If you sold this hat twice for buds, just give us a screenshot of those trades.

All I can see is you got an 12 key offer here:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10003353

we talked about this way more then needed

My point -again- is that your proof is weak and does not support your suggested range. If you sell them for buds show us proof, but I dont think you sold them\it for that much because then you'd make another range.

#1 But I bet you a TS Bill's hat that I can sell a TS Bill's hat for 9.5 Keys in a week, just to prove a point.

#2 That's what I just said, some people don't get the theme. How does that change the value for people who DO get it? The name Doctor's Nutsack is themed and this changes the value.

1) You agree "I will check it: blizzardy storm is listed at 16-21." now add 2 Keys like in the offer and you will have the right price.

2) If you don't agree that the planets is at least 18 Keys then I can only re-provide the link that proves the offer. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10391926

3) I can provide testimony, if necessary, from the player who sold me the Strange Pan + 4 Refined 2 weeks ago for the Unusual Doctor's Nutsack, the same one that was in my Outpost trade, to verify my claim. I am not sure if there is a trade history I can pull up, but if so the trade will be easily validated.

#4 They don't call 'em Unusuals for nothin', baby. Plus I provided supporting Outpost trades. Seriously, what more do you want? Those Outpost trades are both good and prove, with offers, the 18+ Key value of the Blizzardy Storm Hetman's Headpiece, Steaming Tippler's Tricorne, and Orbiting Planets Heavy Duty Rag to be true on TF2PC.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3267227 - 1 Buds offer 9 months ago, also a 2 Bill's (16 Keys) offer on that same page. The theme hasn't changed, and that's when buds were 27 Keys, but I think, even though the check is a bit old, that it's still valid evidence of the hat's potential. And this range is meant to be merely a stepping stone to guide and help others in pricing this hat. I didn't expect to have such an ardent opponent here.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014572856/inventoryhistory/?p=2 - Strange Pan (15-16 Keys) + 4 Refined = 16-17 Keys.

Never tell your password to anyone.

smatchamo: Hey there, sorry I was away. What could I help you with?

Ze Amish: Hello.

Ze Amish: One second please.

smatchamo: Sure.

Ze Amish: Need a bit longer, sorry for keeping you.

smatchamo: No worries, take your time.

Ze Amish: I don’t want to bother you but I’m writing a price update for backpack.tf and I need evidence that we traded together, a Strange Pan for an Unusual Doctor’s Nutsack, two weeks back. Can you remember that trade with the S. Pan + 4 refined and trading with me for the Nutsack? This is just to verify that it actually and truthfully happened between us for that price, so I can add evidence to my suggestion.

Ze Amish: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5189d9454bd7b87b29000005 there's the thread.

smatchamo: Oh, yeah, I do remember that. Actually, if you need additional proof, I'm pretty sure you can view your backpack history where all past trades made are viewable.

Ze Amish: Awesome!

Ze Amish: I would like to look that up

Ze Amish: Where do I go to do that?

smatchamo: Just go into your inventory via Steam, and near the top right corner, it should say "View Inventory History".

smatchamo: And there should be all trades you've made.

Ze Amish: This is a thorough list!

Ze Amish: Thank you!

smatchamo: Yeah, no worries!

Ze Amish: Keep me added if you wish, and thanks again.

Ze Amish: :D

smatchamo: For sure, good luck!

I would consider changing the range to 14-18 Keys on this suggestion if a moderator wanted to recognize that suggestion instead.

More proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10339984 - 14 keys pure 1 hour ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9967737 - 15 keys pure 3 weeks ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7984162 -16 keys (2 bills) 2 months ago – rejected

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7984162 - 17 keys pure 2 months ago - sold.

for all those who doubt the sack - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9848463

I have given so much proof. 17 keys on the high end is more than reasonable. I might post a summary, but that should be enough proof. If that's not enough proof I guess I'll look for more at your request.

i think 17 is kind of high as the end. but i guess its better than 12-14

its a shitty hat but its """"""""themed""""""""

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10551132 2x sold for 16 keys?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10516052 sold for 14 keys?to above person

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10247131 15 key offer

I cant find any 17 key offers but seeing as 15 and 16 keys are selling, 14-17 is better than 12-14 at including those prices