0.9-1 is a stupid range

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upvote, its really should be worth 1 key..

my own trade in op

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10111050

That .9 key suggestion actually got accepted? LOL

I did buy a couple gift wrap yesterday for 4.66 each. While most trades do occur at a key, there was enough proof that they were sold for less than a key to convince me to upvote the last suggestion. I know it's not legit proof, but the WH also sells wrap for 2k less than a key.

However, you do have several buyer links at a key flat, which makes the argument of this suggestion rather convincing. I think I'm actually going to stay neutral for this one.

can't we go at least a day without a gift wrap suggestion? #savethetf2giftwrap /s

inb4 closed by cleverpun

Upvote. I see no reason for the range.

For the record, I approve of this.

I think the fact it got accepted has to do with the fact everyone upvoted it for being made by a mod. Backpack.tf does not reflect quickbuy/quicksells so the range suggested by cleverpun was inaccurate in the fact he's quickbuying, and using that as proof. So many sales at a key there's no way his several purchases outweigh the vast majority that can successfully sell at 1 key.

TL;DR: 1 key was still in the range, obviously, but so obvious that .9 is a quickbuying price.

Here's mine:

Sold for Lumbricious Lid (1.5-1.75 keys at time, now 1.5 keys)

Sold for G purity Fist + Tough Stuff Muffs (1.32 keys)

Sold 2 for 1 key each

Sold 1 for 1 key + 1 rec

All within 45 mins of each other: http://imgur.com/a/LnhaT

Just got back from speech class and was going to do this.

I think this should be accepted and cleverpun should realize that this is a more general range and that .9 is ridiculous.

Admins are human too, and we can make mistakes. No need to go judgmental on us, we have feelings you know *sniff*

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/5042/6/0 - a few here selling for a bit less than a key, one of which is cleverpun's.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10323651 - buying at 4.33, a ton of adds

Cleverpun's reasoning was that it is possible to get these for slightly less than a key, which is why the price shouldn't be one key flat. While there are buyers for 1 key, they are mostly just looking for one wrap, for the purpose of using them. Gift wrap re-sellers like himself and others are able to sell for a key, and in order to make it worthwhile, it must mean they are able to buy for slightly less than a key. Thus, he thought a ranged price would be best.

I think the point clever and I were trying to make is that the market is so clogged up with 1 key sellers, that its becoming harder and harder to sell for 1 key and easier and easier to buy for 4.33 or 4.66. I have spent weeks selling wraps + scrap for 1 key, I only sell one every 3 or 4 days.

I found ~52 key sellers in the first 6 pages, extrapolate that to 19 pages (and subtract 20% just to be conservative) and you get Almost 125 traders selling gift wrap! about half of them with many still in stock

I think 0.85-1 key will be better range

I don't like the idea of using 0.9 keys. Part of being a price guide is having prices users can readily understand. 0.9 keys is rather meaningless upfront.

If gift wrap is reaching the point where 1-2 reclaimed makes a significant difference, maybe it's time to turn its price into refined?

I think it isn't a key anymore because key's price has risen but Gift Wrap's value is the same. I think it must be 4.66-5 refined.

absolutly agree,selling those for key daily

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47495171/price_1.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10661188 selling for 4.77

The price ranges I see on this are laughable

Don't even need to look at proof for this one. 0.9 key is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I'm no fan of .9 of a key or the last suggestion.... and I believe in buying them for a key.... butttt....

#1 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10663133 >> 4.77

#4 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10580607 >> 4.88

#27 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10663698 >> 4.66

#47 >> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10667033 >> 4.33

Clever pun is in there somewhere.

Good proof and logic.

If 100 people sell for one key and 5 sell for 0.9 and 5 sell for 1.1 why would you have a range like that at all. You don't have a range for the oddities. People sell unpainted bills for 7-9 keys, there's no range for that? If 50 people start selling for 0.9, then you've got yourself a point!

are we really going to keep doing this? There are people selling for under a key so it should be reflected in the price. Sure it isn't a very nice price range but the fact remains that there are sellers under a key. Although I think the range of .8-1 was better some people just couldn't leave it alone... but either way its ridiculous to keep suggesting it down and then back up.

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According to http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/

(written by cleverpun, no less)

"Quickbuyers buy to resell; they are rarely good evidence for a price decrease"

Why were profit traders used as evidence in the last suggestion?

"Trades will happen outside the range we list (in both directions) no matter what. All prices in our range, however, should be relatively easy for the average trader to obtain."

Of course some trades will happen slightly below market price, it's a big community.

"Steam market prices generally are not reliable proof; Steam wallet funds are worth less than paypal funds."

Look at the last sentence in his proof ([url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/518652ab4bd7b8845500001b[/url])

"Provide multiple links of proof: one trade does not represent the entire market."

760 links (19 pgs x 20 links/pg)x2 (buyers and sellers) and he had ~10 links of proof.

1 key is much more representative of the whole market even if it's already in the range.

Definitely Upvoting this suggestion.

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lol its really easy to sell at 1 key... I dont even have to make a trade or anything just search for a buyer for 1 key and its just EASY.

upvote :/

"Gift wrap re-sellers like HIMSELF and others are able to sell for a key, and in order to make it worthwhile, it must mean they are able to buy for slightly less than a key. Thus, he thought a ranged price would be best. "

I think it is morally very, very wrong that a moderator who actively makes quicksell trades makes a suggestion on said item.

I know there are a lot of items, and there arent enough people making suggestions. (Although, all the more reason to concentrate on other items, rather than make a row of suggestions for same item)

But if moderator makes Suggestion, and then other moderator Passes it. That gives Huge control over the market for a small group of people.

To me it looks blatantly clear, that the group that makes the decisions on what suggestions pass, shouldnt be making the suggestions.

AND, NO. I'm not saying it happens on this item. I'm saying that possibility should be ruled out altogether.

Also, I've sold all my wraps (meager 2) for 1 key, and yes you can obviously buy them below 1 key. But what the heck is 0,9 key? Is it impossible to have Ref And Key price? Say 4,66 ref - 1 key.

I'm kinda late to get to all this. I'm just gonna echo everybody else by saying what the hell is .9 of a key? Upvoting this for sure.

Differing opinions on this one, but between the vote difference (77% positive here vs. 62% positive for 0.9-1) and the general concensus within the comments, it's clear the community prefers the pricing of 1 key. While gift wraps do undeniably sell for slightly less, 0.9 keys is not an appropriate pricing, gift wraps aren't selling low enough for a usable pricing of 0.8-1 keys, and refined pricings aren't appropriate at this time. It appears best to keep the price as 1 key until either the price differences on the gift wrap are sufficient for a 0.2 difference in key range or if/when the key outpaces it and people more regularly sell it in refined.

Accepting.