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the pan it seems, just keeps going down, on outpost most people selling for 11 and haveing trouble even with that, the strange bacon grease should probably not be worth than the pan itself
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10815647
-11 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10822362
-11 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10812432
-11 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10822524
-11 keys
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/264/11/0
-4 for 11 keys
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/strange%20pan
even more on backpack,tf
i think that if people are trying for 11 keys and still having trouble doing so, it should definatly be dropped at least a little
Good proof but show us some unsold for 12 keys please
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10618252
one week old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10688512
5 days old
after that most are new, or just looking for offers or selling as a set, most people are trying to sell for 11 keys that is why there is not a lot for 12
these are the only ones for sale here, most for 11 and the one for 12 is 3 days old
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/strange%20pan
Those are both s. frying pans, not grease's, different item. Show some unsold grease's for 12 keys.
They both cost the same. The pan is basically an extra.
Doesn't matter here, you need proof of the bacon grease.
I don't see why it doesn't matter?
It matters because it's not the same item. For this, you need proof of the bacon grease, the pan doesn't matter. And grease is more valuable raw then the pan.
It says here the s. frying pan and the strange bacon grease are equal in price...
Are you saying outpost doesn't sell them at the same price?
Look, I could understand if the pan was a rare item or something, but they're only worth, what, a reclaimed? Saying that they're not the same thing is like saying you should pay an extra bud for an unusual that's painted, named, and signed by George Clooney.
Mate grease can be only applied to pan and not to any other thing. If you can get a pan for 11 keys then which idiot will pay more for the grease?
For this instance its a perfectly valid proof.
It's a different item, it's not valid. He needs proof of the grease, not the pan. Sorry to say, but for this instance, it isn't valid proof. If he wanted to include s. pans as his proof, he should've made a s. pan suggestion.
Can we use the bacon grease for something else?
Lets talk about this once the moderators have made up their mind on this.
[for below] I do not play game of likes or dislikes, I don't care about them. There was no space for comments so had to put in my this comment.
I don't see where you're coming from. All I see is you're supporting a suggestion with invalid proof. This is for bacon grease, not strange pans. And disliking my comments doesn't help your opinion :)
EDIT: I see, well anyways, the proof is not legit, as the proof has to be of that item. See now, if he wants proof of a frying pan, he should make a pan suggestion.
I posted some proof down below to help him :)
Thank you for APPROPRIATE proof :)
Strange frying pans and strange bacon grease are different things.
good proof. upvote here
What's in the portal 2 box and genuine Ap-Sap are also the same?! wow....
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10637661[/url] - 12keys, one week.
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10827065[/url] - 12 keys, only 3 hours. New, doesn't count
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10797930[/url] - 12 keys, only a day.
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10760667[/url] - 11.8 keys, 3 days, unsold. one add(probably bought another), also another asking for 11.
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10814262[/url] - 11 keys, new
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10764056[/url] - 12 keys, 3 days, unsold
I personally sold for just 12 keys yesterday
[url]http://i.imgur.com/3wdfYtN.png[/url]
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10790130[/url]
and finally, backpack has only new ones
[url]http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/bacon[/url]
So, downvote until I see more unsold at 12 keys for long periods of time
Also, your links only provide trades for pans, which are not the same thing.
You prove yourself wrong those are a week old the price was set a week ago and they are unsold so you just proved me right
Only one was a week old, and the only reason why it was never bought/sold looks like it was due to the seller never updating their trade. If you look now, most are sold, so I proved you completely wrong.
Just to further do so,
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10842310[/url] - new, 12 keys
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10838767[/url] - new, 12 keys
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10837377[/url] - new, 11-12 keys. Has an offer of 11 keys within 4 hours, proving that people will quickbuy at 11.
That's all of the newer ones that I haven't already shown, and most previously shown(except for a couple), are already sold, including one of the 12 keys. Bacon grease still sells at 12 keys, Strange pans do not. They are two different items, therefore you cannot provide proof of strange pans not selling and, with that, prove bacon grease is not selling.
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10824038
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10814262
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10809002
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806564
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10826670
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10822362
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10819146
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10811236
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806712
11 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10797708
11 keys - http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198078119950
11 keys - http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198032154650
11 keys - http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198041326126
11 keys - http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561197990650623
11 keys - http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198045174236
11 keys - http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198065625077
Upvote because there are too many sellers for 11 keys, if it's so simple to buy for 11 why bother to get it for 12?
good proof and counter proof, upvote!
ive sold over 10 this past week at 11.6, most of them for 12 with a craft hat change...i think this should at least be 11-11.5
fix your range, too big of a drop unless if you can show a lot of 11.5 unsolds.
There are way too many people selling at 11 why would I do that
I've sold 40 + pans for 0.44
Strange bacon grease, wrong item...
Some proof to help this guy.
Sellers from outpost:
1.http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10797930 -Sold for 12 keys after 2 days, bought by a guy called OLD HERMIT, around 1 hour ago, and he used it to convert it into a strange frying pan. It is safe to call him a NOOB
2. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806622 - 11.6 keys - 2 days - UNSOLD
3. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10796881 - - 11.6 keys - 2 days - UNSOLD
4. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10760667 - 11 keys + 4 ref - 4 days - UNSOLD
5. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10837377 - 11 - 12 keys, got an offer for 11 and SOLD
6. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10764056 - 12 keys , 4 days and UNSOLD
7. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10803054 - 11 keys + 3 ref - 2 days - got banned for spamming so changed his account, but still could be counted as a willing seller.
8. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10491200 - SOLD for SF GREnade ~ 11 keys
Proof from tf2tp ( this site does not show when the trade was created but only shows when they were last bumped):
1. http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9444778 - 11 keys - LAST BUMP 6 hours - UNSOLD
2. http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9443953 - 11 keys - LAST BUMP 8 hrs - UNSOLD
3. http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9443690 - 12 keys - LAST BUMP 15 hrs - UNSOLD
4. http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9440439 - 11.8 keys - - LAST BUMP 15 hrs - UNSOLD
Proof from backpack.tf classified:
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/bacon%20grease
11.5 keys - 1 day - UNSOLD
11.6 keys 1 day - UNSOLD
Proof from bazaar.tf:
http://bazaar.tf/trade/214416 - 11.5 keys - 6 days - UNSOLD
http://bazaar.tf/profiles/76561198073087127 - 2 days- 12 keys - UNSOLD
I will try to find more proof if needed.
all of your links are for the strange pan, show some proof of the actual bacon grease itself because this is the suggestion for the bacon grease not pan
While I do believe this item is going to go down in price, I don't think we're quite there yet. There is proof that people are still selling for 12 keys, even if many more are selling for 11. I'll remain a neutral, with a prospective upvote as a possibility.
Just because someone is selling for 12 doesn't mean anything I can try to sell a craft hat for a key if I wanted to but no one is going to take it. There is so many out there for 11, who their right mind would go for 12 or even 11.5
I meant to say that there's a tiny bit of proof showing Grease being SOLD at 12 keys, even though there's plenty more proof showing it being sold at 11.
You do have a point though. Sales at 12 keys are declining and 11 keys is the norm. I'll most likely end up upvoting.
Nearly every grease above 11 keys which was shown here has sold. And strange pans don't count, they have their own price. 11 keys is already in the range and sells fast it seems....Will do some more research.
Edit:
Only 2 pages of sellers:
Unsold in the current range:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10760667 - 11 keys + 4 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10862157 - 11 keys VERY Young
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10838767 - 12 keys
Sold above 11 keys (serious counterproof, thanks for providing guys):
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10764056 - 12 keys - yep sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10796881 - all 3 for 11.6 keys have sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10842310 - 12 keys (someone posted it here as 12 keys)
http://i.imgur.com/3wdfYtN.png - 12 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10797930 - 12 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10827065 - 12 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10637661 - 12 keys
Sold for 11 keys (in the range, and quick):
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10824038
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10814262
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10809002
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806564
So yeah current range is perfectly fine, please be more reasonable when lowering a price for an item like this, closing....