Suggestion: The Quadwrangler at 1.2–1.5 keys

I have randomly picked your links of UNSOLD and some of them seems unbumped since the day they posted it. Can you remove them please. But otherwise, upvote

~~Ill label ones which have somewhat low views for the amount of days soon :)~~ cant edit now =_=

As per requested

Unsold from above which have low views/bumps

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10736781 (1.4 keys, 1 week)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10827879 (1.5 keys, 3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10830942 (1.5 keys, 3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10839401 (1.5 keys, 2days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10786140 (1.5 keys, 3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10901672 (1.5 keys, 1 day)

added quite a few successful buyers in comments below

Even more proof #3 (continuation from the ones below)

successful buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10584455 (1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10589099 (1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9721686 (1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10624244 (1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9216230 (1 key) <-- 3 sellers willing

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10289925 (1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10257644 (1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9485838 (1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10560974 (1.2 keys)

Again, 1.5 keys is pretty much out of the question (1 or 2 successful so i kept it in the range) and there are too many successful buyers what are way grossly under the current price range. as well as most trades (if any offers) were around 1.2 -1.4keys.

That many successful buyers and so many unsold at 1.5, showing that people are willing to sell for less

no sellers lower, than 1.4 keys. Downvote

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10808089 <-- selling for 1.2 keys

Most trades if any offers range from 1 key or offers of around 1.2-1.4 (hardly anyoffers mostly) some trades such as some of the ones above that have been bumped with a highest offer of 1.2 keys in 2 weeks.

>>>Look my comment below for more proof<<<

offers don't mean anything and 1 link isn't valid proof

still downvote - "you can't just make up prices"

very well here is more proof:

Successful buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10560974 (bought for 6 refs)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10717702 <-- willing 2 sellers at 1.2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10758117 (bought for 1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10313695 (bought for 1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10589099 (bought for 1 key + rec)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10289925 <-- willing seller for 1.2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10289925 (bought for 1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10603297 (bought for 1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10168330 (bought for 1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10826104 <- willing seller at 1.2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10727891 <-- 2 sellers willing at 1.2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10544325 (bought for 1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10929084 (bought for 1 key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10425691 (bought for 1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10384008 (bought for 1.2 keys)

Is this satisfactory for you or should i go though another 2 pages of trades? :D

1. quickbuyer

2. 1.4

3,4,5,6,7 quick byuers and the others as well

As you probably know, quick buyers don't count as proof

Normally quick buyers dont count, but when you have alot of quick buyers which are overwhelmingly successful it means that the current price needs to go down.

Except they are, because if there are many quickbuyers having success, it counts because it shows many people want to sell them at less.

Thank you finally someone that gets where im coming from, practically all 1.5key trades are unsold and no offers, where as quick buyers are having too much success.

if there are buyers for 5 ref and a key, why they are not in range?

Reason for that is in my original post.

Again it is quite obvious what quick buyers do, buy lower sell higher, but it it's a bit different when you have alot of sellers going to the quick buyers and the current price is not getting sold at all.

you asid you had no proof but you did. Sorry, your arguments are really invalid.

i didnt look those trades up before? lol

if you didn't know, it works like this:

1. http://s019.radikal.ru/i625/1305/8f/d547c017aa3b.jpg

and then:

2. http://i081.radikal.ru/1305/70/5f73bc697841.png

uhm, not sure what I just saw...

i've bought quad for 4,66 and then sell for quad+3 ref for 2 keys

Love how you post tons of unsold at 1.5 (pointless) and no links selling for 1.2 which is only needed proof when coming with low end. staying neutral because also mods do mistakes

All 1.5 are unsuccessful mostly with not many offers, a few selling lower at 1.2 and alot of successful buyers at 1-1.2 keys is why i thought that a range would be better?

As you probably know quickbuyers mean nothing and as guy previously explained to you, you have to find someone's trade selling at 1.2 not just succesfuly buying.. If quickbuyers should count we could set price at 1-1.5

Most offers (if any) in trades are around 1.2-1.4 but there are alot of successful buyers at that range (that amount of successful quick buyers recently and i only looked though 2 pages of trades on op)

Again as i have explained normally i am well aware that normally you dont post quick buyers as proof but when you have that amount of traders jumping ship to a quick buyer and practically little to no sales at 1.5 keys along with offers ranging around 1.2-1.4 keys in trades that have been open for a while...

so stubborn.. 4th line:

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/

If they weren't be able to sell for higher price, than 1.2 or what, they wouldn't buy it, ok?

It does say that it rarely counts doesnt mean never.

I think ive proven that sales at 1.5 obviously dont happen much, only kept it in there as 2 of the 4 pages i looked did sell. Enough sales happen around the 1.2 mark to be included as again 1.5 is a very very hard sale. They were bought and then unsold at higher prices due to the outdated bp price.

Instead of being fixated on one point find me some counter proof? If you find enough links(recent) that people buy quickly under 1.5 keys and enough successful sellers at 1.5 i will close this suggestion.

At 1.5? No.

I agree with 1.4, but you have proof of ~1 key and some proof ~1.4 and just 2-3 about 1.2. And all your under 1.4 keys prooves are quickbuyers. They buy for that price only to resell and make profit. I repeat: if it weren't profitable, they would use lower prices

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10934179 here one of your buers for a key sells it for 1.4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10425691 (bought for 1.2 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10384008 (bought for 1.2 keys) -> these guys in YOUR proof buy for a key and 5.44 (that is far from 1.2 it is 1 key and sme scrap)

Accordingly to all your proof your range must be 1-1.4

You say there no sales for 1.5. Why is it in range?

Close this one, and accordingly TO YOUR PROOF suggest price of 1.4, or even 1.2-1.4 and that will be OK

Or at least show me succesfull NON-QUICKBBUYERS for less, than 1.4 (I mean 1.2)

http://s020.radikal.ru/i704/1305/c1/62cd76dfd5d0.jpg and it still easy goes for 1.4, I don't know, where do you have too many unsolds

And last addition:

if you decrease the price, all your quickbuyers will decerase it too and they will have a lot of sellers as well. That's how quickbuying work

As i have repeated a numerous ampunt of times i have kept 1.5

Of the trades i looked at 2 were successful which is why i have decided to keep it in the range.

Yes i agreed that quick buyers buy for low and sell high but if it was a reletively easy sell at 1.5 quick buyers would have very little sucess(why a range is better). I have shown that a numerous amount of successf buyers happening around 1.2 as well as offers around 1.2 and have elected to ignore the 1 keys.

Yes if this goes through quick buyers would de crease their price, but that doesnt meant they will be successful (least no where near as successful in the proofs i have shown) as most traders cant sell for 1.5 and jump ship to a buyer.

Basically ive shown 1.5 is a very very hard sale (but happens ever so rarely), alot of traders willing to sell for 1.2, as well as offers of 1.2 keys on some trades. This somewhat extended argument is getting nowhere doesnt seem like either of us is going to back down. So ill just leave it for a admin to decide (too tiring) xD

Note: for future replies please try not to comment seperately multiple times in a short amount of time as it spams people's notifications, there is a edit button that you can use so you can add on to what you have said within the hour

Ok, Now I will explain you, why quickbuyers are not vaild proof (and why most of your proof are invalid)

This guy buys quads for 6 ref. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10560974

And then he sells them for 1.4 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10891762

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10788831

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10595699

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10612229

1. I am buying them for 4,66, not 1.2 key, AS YOU SAID

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10584455

2. 1 key and 1 rec isn't 1.2 keys, ok?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10589099

3. Successful buyer for a key sells his quads for 1 key and 2,66