Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 5–5.33 ref

Just because he's banned on outpost it doesnt mean he doesnt have the right to make a suggestion like anyone else. Long218 is banned on outpost and trade banned yet his suggestions often get accepted

And people still whine about it. They don't even care why he and Chigga are banned. Long is bad and Chigga is good in their opinion.

Quote from Long, "Because you and your fellow dicks treat me this way, I'll personally make key suggestions until ref is just a piece of useless shit for poor people"

Knowingly bought carded keys.

Perma trade banned.

Who's worse?

You're contributing to the circlejerk. Also that's not exactly what he said, direct quote:

"the way you people treat me is how I will treat you. My goal will be to rise key prices until metal is just a useless trash of poor people".

So yeah, pretty much what you said, except it seems you added in swears. Don't know why you did that. So yeah, he made a rather rude comment about key prices that really wasn't all that rude, but it somehow managed to get you and the entire trading community up in arms about how he's a "horrendously rude young man who should be banned from every trading website everywhere because he said something mean", "knowingly" bought carded keys, and is apparently permanently tradebanned, and I'm pretty sure his trade ban was lifted quite a while ago. None of the above actually affect whether he should have the right to make key suggestions or not.

And what did ThatOtherChigga do? Well, I could probably name a few things, but namely, actively encouraged someone to partake in scamming. (http://bazaar.tf/trade/170160 - open the last comment and see his reply).

Explain how I'm contributing to the "circlejerk"

Did I ever say anything about him being trade-banned and other stuff had anything to do with his right to make key suggestions?

He attempted to scam me with a gifted unusual. Pretty sure it's easy to tell it was a sarcastic comment.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/219235 Please...I help people scam? xD

Alright, seeing as it won't let me comment on that thread any further, I'll post my reply here.

>Explain how I'm contributing to the "circlejerk"

The "ZOMG LONG IS HURRIBLE PRICE MANIPULATER BAN HIM" circlejerk.

>Did I ever say anything about him being trade-banned and other stuff had anything to do with his right to make key suggestions?

I don't know, did you? What were you trying to imply?

>He attempted to scam me with a gifted unusual. Pretty sure it's easy to tell it was a sarcastic comment.

There's no proof he was trying to 'scam' you, just making a legitimate offer with his gifted hat, that shouldn't technically be worth any less then a non-gifted hat. And you replied with:

"scam someone with that hat (its gifted), get about 22 more keys, then we'll talk"

I dunno, that sounded pretty serious to me. You told him to go scam someone with it so that he'd have enough to pay you.

>[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/219235[/url] Please...I help people scam? xD

Uh... what is this supposed to mean? It doesn't matter if you posted something calling him out, because in the other trade that I posted, it's obvious that when it comes to personal gain, you DO encourage scamming.

In addition: [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/235646[/url] Banned from TF2OP, that certainly contributes towards your trustworthiness as a trader.

Did I say Long was a price manipulator?

Was I trying to imply something? Idk, you tell me.

Legit offer? He added me and told me the gift tag would be deleted once I hit "restore"

Banned from outpost? Back when I first started trading, I did some stupid stuff. Do I regret it? Yes of course. Was it because of scamming or sharking? no.

>Did I say Long was a price manipulator?

Alright, let me correct that: the "ZOMG LONG IS HURRIBLE BAN HIM" circlejerk.

>Was I trying to imply something? Idk, you tell me.

Well, what were you trying to imply? You might find it's slightly more effective to tell people your message than to make them guess.

>Legit offer? He added me and told me the gift tag would be deleted once I hit "restore"

No proof of this, either. Whether it happened or didn't happen, the only thing there's proof of is you telling him to go scam someone.

>Banned from outpost? Back when I first started trading, I did some stupid stuff. Do I regret it? Yes of course. Was it because of scamming or sharking? no.

Well, what was it then? Clearly you don't disapprove of Long because people think he's a price manipulator, so what else could have an effect on someone's reputation on this website?

Long constantly provokes people.

I wasn't trying to imply anything.

Pretty obvious it was sarcastic.

What was it that I did? Back then I didn't realize Outpost was a place where people quickbought stuff. I posted "lol thats worth a ref" on Pretendeer's trade.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7207964

Then he banned me, so I said he was a f*cking idiot somewhere and I get perma-banned. I was desperate so I asked him if he could unban me if I paid him a ref (I was really poor back then). So yeah, my story. Keep in mind this was back 5 months ago when I first started trading. I've come a long way.

And just outta curiousity how do you track people's comments?

If you want to discuss my "credibility" you can add me. Let's not abuse backpack.tf with walls of text.

Please tell me where I stated that Chigga banned from outpost prevented him from making a suggestion. I was merely correcting the comment above me that had been praising Chigga as the best person on outpost which he had known since Chigga's very first suggestion, and I simply corrected him by stating he most likely meant backpack.tf instead of outpost because he is banned on outpost.

You didnt. I was agreeing with you. Sorry if it didn't look like I was doing so.

:P *derp*

Apples and oranges, Anarchy. Chigga is not permanently tradebanned and marked on Steamrep, like Long218 is.

I haven't been following this site for a while because I disagree with the way things are done, but could u or anyone else tell me why long got trade banned?

Buyers at 5 ref have no use, since there are plenty of buyers above that. Which makes most of your proof invalid.

lol? If they successfully buy....don't see your logic xD

lol. Buyers above 5 ref= any of sellers can sell to them at any time.

lol. still successful trades.

Don't see what's funny with explanations, but selling below buyer prices indicates stupidity. If someone's buying your hat for 2 buds and you can find him with a search, you wouldn't sell it for 1 bud, would you?

1. i do that to annoy you

2. Read the last line of the suggestion.

1. Doesn't really affect me.

2. Since when was that a rule?

Since when was bp.tf a place where prices were decided by hypothetical situations and not actual sales?

Who said that my statement decided the price? Also, I'm just providing an example of the ignorance of people who can't use the search button.

By ignorant people do you mean non-greedy people?

Your argument completely eliminates any sort of range. For example, I could sell a strange rocket at 1 ref easily, but if I was bit patient, I could sell at 1.33. Same with keys, there are buyers at 5.33, but it's just been proven people sell for 5 ref as well. That's what we call a range.

*completely

I'm not talking about 5 ref, just the buyers at 5.33 where anyone can sell to them.

That doesn't mean sales don't happen at 5 ref.

What don't you get? Anyone can sell for 5.33 to buyers, but despite that, that still sell to the lower buyers.

=successful trades

so you are saying buyers are only valid for key suggestion and are not valid for bill's ? you know, trades there are successful too

Not sure what I posted on the bills suggestion, but the buyer links are successful for this suggestion. Also, you are creating a suggestion for NORMAL bills only. Any other bills, even painted that are less than 8 keys does not count as proof.

Thank you so much. Finally. Just raising the price of keys here is what kills the economy, yet so many people refuse to believe what could come out of raising prices.

I agree...but I remember when I gave up on this and just had to accept it due to my extremely low price accuracy...now I HAVE HOPE!!!

You know, keys aren't starting to go down, 5 ref is just being made to be included in the range... they're probably going to continue going up after this...

Better than it staying at 5.11-5.33

A Little Help From Me. :)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11163863 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11166929 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11166912 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11166392 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11157301 - 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11156185 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11154403 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11154348 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11151188 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11151225 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11152128 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11151011 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11147520 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11145317 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11146290 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11144242 2Ks For 10R Or Key for 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11126419 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11129048 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11130318 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11132096 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11136182 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11125571 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11125371 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11117829 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11118245 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11121776 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11122446 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11122665 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11123171 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11124391 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11124691 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11100160 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11101582 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11102715 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11104499 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11104377 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11108546 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11110661 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11110859 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11110978 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11111467 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11112094 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11112160 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11112179 5

Some dups, some trades I didn't catch. Thanks :D

Some More :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11174020

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11173890

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11171691 4R

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11172784

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11171501

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11170702

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11170351

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11170036

http://bazaar.tf/trade/234163

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11187392

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11187076

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11186736

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11180069

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11180141

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11180200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11180564

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11182877

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11177462

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11178519

Moar @ 5 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11235521

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11233900

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11229882

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11228469

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11227126

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11225483

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11223262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11222730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11222671

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11238726

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11221353

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11219267

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11212891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11213161

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11213569

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11214671

http://bazaar.tf/trade/236294

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11218188

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11206887

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11208880

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11210909

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11197208

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11199264

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11199737

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11200336

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11201865

In case you need support:

I have 3 friends on my friends list who constantly sell keys to me for 5 ref.

screenshots please?

Sure! Just wait until he's online :P

http://i.imgur.com/ikUGMNr.png

Thanks :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/2w735sm.png

In a trade server just now. There were two people selling them for 5 ref each. They weren't instantly sold either.

Thank you :D

This guy is a saint, he sold me a key for 4.66 ref couple weeks ago. I see people selling for 5 ref in servers today, i was going to buy but was short metal.

Screenis plz :)

community must appriciate your hard work for finding proofs on the low end for that currency.

upvote all the way

Got any screenies @5 ref that could help? :)

<3 glad that some one still cares about the community, solid proof, upvote

Faith In Humanity restored. So damn glad that someone found proof of the trades and making a suggestion about lowering the key with these trades.

Also, i am myself trying to buy keys for 5 refined each, but without success. Close on one dude though. If it happens that my trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11034626 becomes successful with at least one key, consider that i will contribute it as proof.

Thanks!

Wass up Chigga.

I remember trading you for your geuine robo sandvich.

Anyhow I just bought 3 keys for 5 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11162797

Feel free to use it as counter proof.

Thanks! But it was Narwhal of Narnia who bought it.

But with scrap.tf buying at 5.22 and selling at 5.44 i don't think so

And as Geel9 has made is ABSOLUTLEY clear, scrap.tf will NOT be used as proof.

Oh sorry I had no knowledge of that.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11218188

Just refreshed the OP page XD

UPVOTED!

Yes, but this is actually good....

No difference. It's not saying it's bad.

Not really, its using cherry-picked links showing some sales at 5 refined. I'm fairly certain I could just as many sales at 5.44 refined, but the only reason people are being so positive here is because he's lowering the key price and people and lustfully upvoting it for that reason. Its not manipulation if show only sales when you lower a price, but its all out manipulation, corruption and conspiracy theories when someone goes to raise the price with the same amount of proof or greater.

cherry picked eh?

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517c7db74bd7b8cd31000007

At least I actually provided half of the current proof.

Yeah, also wanted to apologize for stealing your links :P

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: hi?

Underscore | G. Fetti: keep me added k

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: Do you want to buy something?

Underscore | G. Fetti: No

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: Do I know you?

Underscore | G. Fetti: Nope.

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: So....why did you add me?

Underscore | G. Fetti: That my friend I cannot answer

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: So how long should I keep you added?

Underscore | G. Fetti: Until Joe Biden has cancer

Underscore | G. Fetti: So, ~never

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: You're that guy...

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517c7db74bd7b8cd31000007

Underscore | G. Fetti: No; I'm here to say that he's impersonating me

[§]ThatOtherChigga™ 凸(-_-)凸: mmhmmm

Underscore | G. Fetti: k

Underscore | G. Fetti: yea

dafaq?

It doesn't matter who lowers the price if your goal is to lower the price does it? Unless you're doing it for attention.

I just found it interesting that 2 people called me a "cherrypicker" when I actually provided my own proof and no one cared about that guy.

Long is banned, so he can't argue with this.

Oh, OK. Didn't know about it.

alt accounts

Ok, so you, tf2ezion, lithium, volpii, and r-dizzle are the only possible alts because you are the only ones arguing with is suggestion.

long is banned I think

Cool.

Long's banned and hasn't commented on this suggestion yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.

I get it D:

I don't get it....I'm lowering the price

He obviously assumed every key suggestion raises the price.

Just as a note: this suggestion would be regarded as a counter-suggestion so It will not be closed becuase of the "3 day rule" or ".5 scrap change rule" just so nobody brings that up.

was wondering about that, thanks for clearing it up

The what and what rule? .-.

i dont think this will help but

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11122665#/37676330

You cant lower the price of keys because the amount of keys with in the game are lower than before. because every 1 is opening crates with the events. basicly what ur trying to do is from something that becomes less to down the price from it that doesnt make any sense

1. Events-special keys. Nothing to do with regular keys.

2. Sorry, but opinions mean nothing on backpack.tf.

3. Who still opens crates? :P

4. Got counterproof?

u rly dont get it but thats oke gl downing the price lol

It's YOU the person that doesn't get it.

sure what ever

And another thing to remember is that many current prices have 0."x" keys in their range, which depends on keys at 5 ref.

Many people also accept 1 ref as a 0.2 key change. Just pointing this out.

Disagree & Downvote .

Here's why :

You post this proof as an arguement here's my counterarguement:

People that have sold keys for 5 ref are all people in a rush to QUICKSELL their keys at the lowest price possible that the spreadsheet recommends. They've not seen it has been updated ,they do it from their memory.

Give it a day or two , you wont find sellers for 5 ref.

As for the buyers ..? They're just resellers so if you have posted any buyers in the proof you're sorta arguing your own proof because im sure there's around a 90% chance that i go on to their TF2OP Profile and i find a "selling keys for 5.33 trade".

Also the point of price suggestions is to update outdated prices , yeah you can argue that key suggestions should be updated more frequently than other items but still , not every hour . :l

Nah, I find a good 3-4 trades of keys at 5-5.11 ref every 6 hours, If that means anything to you

And this is a counter to the other suggetion, look at the last breath

Again , give it a day or two, for certain a week and you'll see the price difference , you wont find any more fresh trades for 5 ref.

Because they will see 5 ref has been eliminated from the range, which it shouldn't have been. Then they will sell at 5.11. Once 5.11 gets eliminated, repeat.

You see, the low end of key prices will always sell quickly but enough people sell for that it should be included in the range.

You have absolutly no proof that "people are selling using their memory"

You have absolutely no proof that they've seen the price being updated , you said it yourself :" the low end of key prices will always sell quickly but enough people sell for that it should be included in the range." - and people have not seen the low end of the UPDATED price.

So you are saying bp.tf governs the price of keys?

And it should've never been accepted. It's one of those moments where the mod accepted because it was better than the other suggestion and the high range was accurate.

You say the range 5.11-5.33 shouldnt have been accepted. .?

People are buying keys for 5.11 , 5.22 ,5.22 , why would they sell for 5 if they have that option , if you want proof you can go look at the other suggestion.

At the end of the day , its your word against a mod's , so you know . heh.

because successful trades @5 ref

its not about speculation here you are right a shitload of trades happened for the low end at 5 ref today yesterday and the day before but the trades close to fast almost immediatly and thats natural for a such high in demand item.

5 ref is in range maybe someone will pay 5.33 for saving some time.

after all we dont just trade we have more important stuff to do

Your proof makes a lot of sense.

A word about quicksell, in the unusual trade a quicksell is 30% off, so that the unusual sells quick for pure (e.g. buds/keys).

So what would a quicksell for key look like at 30% off the main price:

- 5.22 * 70% = 3.66 ref

Well let's just say a quicksell for key is different and is only 10% off:

- 5.22 * 90% = 4.66 ref

Whether or not you agree with what I say, someone needs to define clearly a quicksell because right now people say an item is quicksell as soon as it's not part of their suggested range (e.g. Doopliss with his 5.22-5.33 suggestion).

Yeah I mean seriously....it's a freakin scrap xD

I believe I already explained to you why the majority of links you presented to me were quick sells, as they only had 1-2 keys to sell, were bombarded with adds, and sold extremely fast. Of course, you choose to ignore all my other proof, my explanation and write, "I showed you sellers at 5 Refined. End of Story". I'm not surprised, considering you own a website about TF2 Trading ... ;)

As for this suggestion, if we are going to include 5 refined, we should also include 5.44 refined, considering their absolute values represent the same extremes of very fast and very slow. However, I'm still in favor of keys prices going down, and the proof is there. Therefore, despite beliefs of others, I still up vote, even though I can not.

You showed me no proof, just a half-baked explanation why it should be ignored because according to you "it's a quicksell". You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that these trades exist and are happening.

The fact that I have website has nothing to do with anything, you're just talking about that because you got 0 logical counter-argument. Look I have around 200 keys in my backpack so where is my interest in defending a lower range if not out of principle for accuracy ?

Concerning including 5.44 why not if there's as much proof as for 5.00, look cleverpun even started a key vote for 5.00 - 5.55 (with very little proof at 5.55, I might add, but no doubt highballers are going to rally and put more outpost ads at 5.55)

There were hundreds of links, some not even posted by me, of proof of people buying for 5.22 - 5.33 Refined, and people selling for that same range or higher, all successful, so saying that I gave you an explanation instead of proof is extremely biased and incorrect, given you actually looked at the proof, which all evidently you didn't. As for trades actually happening at 5 Refined, I've explained many, many times that they are quick sells. You can look at scrap.tf, tf2finance, outpost, and you will see miniscule trades of 5 Refined, the ones that are are bought instantly, and in no way, shape or form represent what they truly sell for.

This is something that you refuse to accept. Please, look at my proof for a change. Are they happening at 5 Refined? Yes they are, and I can't deny that, as that would be extremely foolish. However, does 1 out of 100 Keys sold at 5 Refined represent the market and what they sell for? No.

If you want to continue your debate with me, you can send me a private message on the forums, or possibly even add me. Your comment are unnecessary and a tad rude.

No I don't need to debate with you more, I've better and more interesting things to do. Actually I only responded to your comment on my initial post.

Except 5.11 and 5 are still very possible, which made your suggestion get denied.

Counter--proof

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11053429

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10986380

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10960356

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11088771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11032818

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8027347

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11088771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11032818

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11104579

Search all in 2 min..

All in range of the proposed price change.

Nope, in current range.

Sorry, in SUGGESTED range.

Also in current range. ;-)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11124691

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11110661

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11112094

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11111467

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11110978

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11110859 2 @ 5

extremely good proof! Upvote! Upvote!

Well, ANY statistic can be made to both prove or disprove anything in the world.

I have had a post on Outpost for 5 refined for a couple of weeks now and while they don't beat down my door, I am able to get 3-6 keys a day for it at 5 refined.

All it takes is patience.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10722152 I see two comments saying they added. Could you add screenshots of the actual trades?

That is not to say I don't believe you specifically, but with key suggestions everyone just goes around claiming stuff so it would be nice to see screenshots as proof.

I did say, people dont flood me with trades, but they DO happen, as long as you are patient.

http://i.imgur.com/Gw4Ob0z.jpg 4 keys, 20 refined.

thanks

Yes, screenies please :)

I do 50+ trades a day. I can provide screenies but, why would I waste my time. People here upvote no matter what.

I wasnt arguing the new prices, just saying that people can be patient and get their prices instead of everyone panic buying and selling. =)

People may upvote no matter what but mods actually look at proof (at least I hope they do) e.g. screenshots before making their decision. If everybody only claims to have bought keys at 5 ref but doesn't provide any evidence, the suggestion might still not pass.

Screenies will still help. bp.tf is not decided by votes.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11127037

keys really should stay at 5 ref, its a good price and nice to see someone showing likewise

I would actually disagree with this, for a guy who just plays the game and depends on his drops to buy stuff it would take around 4-6 weeks to get enough drops to craft into enough metal for 1 key (assuming he didn't get any hat drops). If it was possible to lower the price all the way to something like 3 ref that would be the perfect price again

Good guy lowering the value of his backpack for the sake of documenting the market. I'd say thats a plus.

This suggestion is gonna take the heat from the admins, despite the popular approbation. The prices of keys are so flung out everywhere in terms of range.

I don't sell keys for metal unless I'm low on metal, so I don't really give a crap about metal affecting keys.

The admins appraise every suggestion carefully. It doesn't matter whether they are raising the value or lowering it.

Hehe...which is why I see tons of horrible suggestions get passed?

OBJECTION! 5 ref is a quicksell. All of the 5 ref keys selling are snapped up within seconds. Seeing as 5.33 is within range still here is some counter-proof at 5.44:

http://gyazo.com/f1375acdf2e7f70888656d621bc49fc2 x4

http://gyazo.com/039433d269ee486d52733d76fc755de0

http://gyazo.com/3db58f38a0d70540387688c794b529c0

http://gyazo.com/c31c678c6ff942f3706aa340b317a444 - 6 ref

http://gyazo.com/6b6e44828f0a2375d029938c0a971d9f x3

http://gyazo.com/74f65be77626448978d14d4185374045 x5

http://gyazo.com/876790325a0c0024ce6acdfe92912fe1

http://gyazo.com/07ff31761f4603161adff16f72b144f4 x5

http://gyazo.com/dde540e57d206569ed5d6b9a3f6c0ffe bulk pt1

http://gyazo.com/41d488db2d54eb069bb9134caebc1c93 pt2 x8

http://gyazo.com/558e2ac069cb1c81a0955c4c88555085 x4

33 sales at 5.44 or higher in the past 6 days, that's my counter-proofing work done, now for you guys to pitch in.

Obviously you have not read the proof. # sold>how fast they sell.

Nope, if a currency is sold extremely fast for a semi-low price, then it's a quicksell.

explain to me, if so many people sell for this price then shouldn't it be at this price?

Explain to me, if so many people are successfully sold at 5.44+ Ref, shouldn't it be the reported price?

You can make a price suggestion for that if you want, not my business. I restrain myself from making suggestions that will f*ck up the market, e.g. bills, keys, buds.

This is counter-proof, proving that his range is incorrect. It does not matter what proof I put, as long as it is outside the range.

He has no proof that 5.44 has successfully sold.

And since 5 ref is so possible, why did 5.11-5.33 get accepted?

He has no proof? Hurr durr, check the comment that this thread started from. There is proof, albeit my proof but hey, mi casa es tu casa. And 5 ref is not "so possible". It's actually incredibly hard if you don't refresh outpost every minute of the day or go on trade servers for every waking second. I have trouble buying at 5.11 and 5.22 on both.

"hard"

You're funny, what kind of trade servers do you go to and don't you use trade.tf?

Because you have a website that finds ALL of the people selling below 5.11. If anything the fact that so little are being sold at this price (as a percentage of the amount of total keys traded) proves that 5 ref should not be in range

Nope, it just tracks good deals, like trade.tf. It doesn't actually break it down into metal only.

Yes but it is a program that looks through every trade on outpost and displays the ones that were for cheap, essentialy showing all of them/

You're point being?

http://trade.tf/deals

pretty much the same exact website, but with unusuals.

My point is that you have a way to find all of these trades, there are so few (as the percentage) that they should not be included.

Uh...I use trade.tf for suggestions. Other website for profit.

I dont care witch website you use........

Which is why you keep bringing it up.

I meant i dont care witch website as in trade.tf or the other one. what I do care about is how you find ALL of the trades that happen at less than 5.11, making it seem more like the lack of trades at 5 proves you wrong.

Quicksell usually means about a 30% discount. So, as someone above stated, 30% off of keys is 3.66 ref. Even 10% off is still 4.66 ref, so I'm not really seeing any "quicksells." Just clearing up that bit of nonsense.

Currencies are different, and always have been. Look at the bills suggestion from last week.

Great proofs. Upvoted :3

EDIT: also weird that the last got accepted. Even though lots of people showed proof that 5 ref sales were still actually possible. Even with fast results.

Same thing happened with Bill's where it got brought down but the community immediately brought it back up even though there was a lot of counter proof. Let's just hope the same thing happens here.

Anyways, I'd upvote the suggestion if I could. They have some weird thing where you can't upvote after a certain amount of upvotes have been received.

4.66 is still possible too http://imgur.com/MtNgAlf

Just saying. Looks like robocrate keys are being detrimental to normal ones.

Just got one too for ~4.55 worth of items :D

http://postimg.org/image/l50ervvah/

Are my eyes deceiving me?

The Key going down?

I must be in Pyroland

Someone get me some Abilify

They are not going down only because someone wants to report a lower price. The same counts for keysuggestions which are raising the price.

Most of your links are 2+ days old. Looks like that you just searched for keysellers all day long and updated the page every second to find sellers at 5 Ref before they close their trades because the keys have been moved way too fast to count them as normal trades. Btw. only 2 of your links have more than 2 Keys for sale and the guy who was willing to sell 12 keys moved only 5 of them, 7 are still in his BP.

Tl;dr: Keys at 5 Ref are quicksells.

Also, listing the 4.88- Ref sellers won't change anything, they are the most obvious quicksellers.

Last but not least, we can do the same with 5.44 and 5.55 Ref. Those trades are also happening as barely as quicksell trades. The Keys are being bought by quickbuyers, we shouldn't use neither quickbuyers nor quicksellers as proof.

Then go ahead and make a suggestion for 5.44 and 5.55.

Subtract 1 day from the proof.

And this was meant to be a countersuggestion to the one that got recently accepted (check the other suggestion) which was created 4-5 days ago

By your logic the range should be 2-6 Ref.

what...

please explain my logic

Hello? Explain your comment.

Quicksells?

Low end of key prices will ALWAYS be a quicksell. I did a little experiment yesterday:

5 ref: 15 seconds to sell

5.11: 15 seconds to sell

5.22: 30 seconds to sell

5.33: 2 minutes to sell

By the "quicksell" standard of keys, these are all quicksells. I refer you to Swag [Inc]'s comment up top

5 ref is still possible.

http://imgur.com/fWjcgvq.png

http://imgur.com/HvWh51v.png

http://imgur.com/zCEoRgG.png

http://imgur.com/K2wyGuc.png

High 5 for actually helping :)

thank you :D

I like how old the trades are.

9 days, 1 Key

8 days, 1 Key

6 days, 1 Key

5 days, 1 Key

So you bought 4 Keys in 9 days for 5 Ref each. I wonder how long it would take to sell 20 Keys at 5.33 Ref..

5.33 is a quicksell based on your standards

I call it the high end.

5.33, sold in a min=quicksell.

5.66, sold in an hour, high end

5.55, sold in less than an hour, low end

Lol, 5.33 is a quicksell, it should be the low end, but enough trades happen below that value that the average is pulled down to an optimistic (If you want keys to be lower) value.

1. Look at Swag's comment.

2. Why don't we eliminate 5.33 from the range entirely? It's a "quicksell"

Same reason we don't eliminate 5.00 (whatever your reasoning, but more true).

Because people buy/sell enough at that price that it should be included in the range.

Alright then, we keep 5.33 in there because enough people buying and selling, there are more people buying/selling at 5.33 than 5.

Upvoted. Thanks for showing a little truth and thanks for not being downright insane. I am noticing a decrease in the key plane's momentum and it looks like it's going to stall and crash any moment.

The Key needs to have a more steady price because they are now used more like money than items... So upvote cause 5 ref is a nice even number!!

Just bought 2 keys for 5 ref.

proof?

I've found some at 5 refined also, but cannot put proof because I'm on my phone

A solid 3 ref would be more than enough. These prices are ridiculous. Back when keys were below and even around 3 ref, no one had problems with them. Such a shame to watch the market get so greedy.

I fucking swear....do NOT add me to buy my keys. Total: 5 people added

But bro, you could just buy another from one of the "plentyfull" 5 ref sellers, Ill buy one for 5.22 if you would like.

Do I sell my keys for metal?

No, but we could go through this again, it is obviously idiotic to sell keys for less than 5.22, and no one with experiance in trading will sell for 5.22+. The people selling here are obviously uninformed.

SUCCESSFUL trades. And what gives you the right to call them "uninformed?"

Because they are people who just became ptp, looking at their untradeable keys and empty bps.

xD recheck their BPs

and you yourself have a 2 bud bp

Alright, I did, the second person on the list has only stranges and the most expensive item is a s escape plan.

Mhhmmm...recheck

Alright, missed the botkiller

4th guy has just about nothing

Why don't you check everyone's bp?

And while you're at it, take a look at your own bp

Wow, going to direct insults, smooth.

Anyway, as you can see most of them are fairly new to the game. Remember poor benjamin from last month? He had just bought his first 8 keys and did not know the real price. As soon as I told him that he could sell for more, he did. Before I told him he was obvioulsy misinformed.

Hmm? You're calling everyone up there "poor" when the first random link I clicked the guy had like 40 hats and summer shades and if that's "poor" then you yourself are "poor". And it really doesn't matter that you told him. He was going to sell for 4.66.

Never said poor, I just said that many of them are newer to the game. Bringing my bp value into this dosen't help anyone. All I was saying was that they were uninformed.

"empty bp"=poor

Idiotic? Experience in trading? HAHAHA. If you find "an expedienced trader" selling stuff and you pay with key, he will count it as 5 ref. Same in opposite situation.

I take personal offense to this. When I sell keys for metal, I sell them at or below the low end, I check people who want to trade me to weed out the shady people/alts/re-sellers, and you call me uninformed? I like to think that I'm a generous person who doesn't have a stick up my ass trying to make "money" on a first-person shooter VIDEO GAME. So you can take your generalizations and stupidity somewhere else. Thanks so much.

I knew I shoulda warned that first comment.

Stay on topic, all of you

WHAT?!? a key suggestion to bring down key prices? too bad its not gonna work cause this will get 1000 upvotes and admins will not care

admins work is to make sure the proofs and the prices are trueth and fresh in date

nothing else.

so this will pass

havent seen so many proofs on keys for long time

I have talked with some admins about how it works and they have told me they look at these trades, along with plenty other key trades to see if these work at the suggested prices

May I point this out to you? http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517c7db74bd7b8cd31000007

Stupid cherrypicker.

The guy actually added me to taunt me.

I don't know if this helps but it is still possible for those who don't believe you can still buy for 5 ref...

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2rn7h4n.jpg

And a little message for the non-believers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRB8Jor8tPs

Thanks

love how i was warned for wanting key prices to go down. <3

You were warned for spam and not staying on-topic. Writing "I LOVE YOU ETERNALLY" contributes nothing to the conversation. Keep it in your pants.

meaning i'm happy key prices are going down...

It doesn't matter if the key price is lowered on backpack.tf. Its already been tested as to whether a decrease in key prices would cause buyers/sellers to stop paying/selling for higher and higher and no change occurred. If this gets accepted all the people actively trying to buy for 5.33 refined won't just disappear, and its still going to be hard as hell to buy a key for 5 refined as demonstrated by all these people already trying to buy for 5.33 refined because they can't find anyone selling for less. I guess that's too much to wrap your head around, but I wish you well when you realize that if this gets accepted nothing's going to change.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9928490

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11043988

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11098547

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11124671

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11141715

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11135069

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10865739

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11143780

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11144111

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11158589

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11158111

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11158527

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11068265

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11135984

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11157523

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11158407

also notice that 5.33 is still in the range, thanks for adding on.

I know its in range. I was merely pointing out to him that "lowering" the key price isn't going to "lower" the price people are going to have to pay in order to buy a key. Its not like keys are magically going to be easier to buy for 5 refined if its in range. These people are already trying to pay the high-end because they cannot find anyone for lower. Its not a good sign when you have multiple people already willing to pay the high-end of a price.

and is it a good sign that people are willing to sell for 5 ref? you tell me.

If you can find me a constant supplier at keys at 5 refined I'd be happy to meet him. I'm aware sales occur at 5 refined, but I'm also aware that sales happen above 5.33 refined. You cannot recognize the 'good' (relative) without also recognizing the 'bad'. Notice all his trades are closed. If those people were able to consistently supply keys for 5 refined, then there'd be no reason for these 5.33 refined buyers to exist.

Ok, find me some trades at 5.11 that are open.

Now find me some trades for 5.22 that are open.

We should remove 5.11 and 5.22 from the range.

Now find me some 5.33 trades that have been open for more than 30 minutes.

If that's directed at me, ThatOtherChigga, then that should be your job not mine. I've shown plenty of open trades paying top dollar and would jump at an opportunity to pay less. If you'd like to support them on their quest to buy cheaper keys than please do so. You've got 140 keys that I don't see you contributing to you your cause.

1. Have no need for so much metal.

2. Lost 3 buds recently. Saving my pure.

3. 140 keys, lowering price of my bp, counts for something doesn't it?

4. 5.33 still in suggested range.

5. The other comment was simply to say that since apparntly it's hard to get keys for under 5.33, why don't we just get rid of 5.11 and 5.22?

6. My job is to provide proof at 5 ref.

7. Whenever I need metal, I sell for under bp.tf price.

ik there will be buyers at 5.33. i know it will be hard to buy at 5 ref. but. this is a start. some people will lower their key prices a little, and get them bought/buy them. this is at least going to (hopefully) START key prices going down.

The days of reckoning are approaching sooner than expected. Upvote~

I saw this trades yesterday (at 5 refs)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11128214

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11126419

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11127037 (someone already mentioned it)

A few moments ago:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11156185

Good..good....thanks :)

Nice work. This is waterproofed improvements. Cant disagree. Upvote.

As Chigga has told me before, he uses a sight that is similar to Trade.tf that enables him to find ALL of the trades that happen at a range that he suports. If the people who are trying to show a higer price had a site simmilar to trade.tf, but in reverse, showing the highest sold trades, they would have 10 times the amount of proof he has.

Also, there are people who are BUYING at 5.33, this is because at any lower buying price the sellers are not consistant enough. Obviously the trades at a lower price do hapen, but even more so at a higher price, like at 5.44 or 5.55. To show a smaller range we should keep the curent price. To show the most acurate price we should display something like 5-5.66, but that range is obviously much to large.

Not really, since that site tracks good deals, same as trade.tf, and 5.33 isn't a "good deal"

I meant that it finds all the ones that happen below 5.11, (your proof)

So?

You are able to find many trades within a quick time, most of the trades that happened in the past few hours. You are chery picking the data.

Explain how using trade.tf to find proof in any way affects suggestions.

I also invite you to read my conversation with Baloo up top about me "cherry picking" and also, to look at the one f*g one cherry picked ALL my proof from 4 weeks ago.

By what means was that a conversation? I stated that you cherry picked links and you came back with someone else did it, so it doesn't matter.

Of course of I'm going to use other people's proof. But I also found my own proof.

And the guy SUCCESSFULLY BOUGHT at 5 ref. I'm not listing him not just because he's buying for 5, but he's BOUGHT at 5

He got lucky, there are people who are buying for 5.33 and they are very comon. I have no idea why anyone who would sell to him.

So buying 20 in 2 days is lucky. I see. Doesn't matter, successful trades.

I have no idea witch guy your talking about so I assumed it was one of those guys who says that they bought some for 5 ref and gives proof for one. The people who sold it to "the guy" could have easily goten a better deal.

the buyer link. and doesn't matter, successful trade.

Well, the person selling did not feel that he was buying fast enough. If you look at his outpost profile, he is buying for .5.11. Also it is a week old with un-checkable data. He still has about 59 ref able to buy 11 keys at his price, not 20-16.

Check the metal history. He did buy a lot successfully for 5 ref. Now he's buying for 5.11. So? Still bought a lot.

He wasn't getting keys fast enough, so he raised his prices. This shows that 5.11 is a more realistic price now, while 5 was more possible last week. Also, do you agree that cleverpun's sugestion is better than yours?

I still bought many at that price. Since he is in need of constant keys, he raised his price. So what? He still bought many successfully at 5 ref. I'm downvoting cleverpun's suggestion until more proof is shown at 5.55 and 5.44. The number at 5 ref greatly exceeds the number at 5.55/5.44.

Can somebody please tell me where's the allmighty Long218 ?

Also i'm pretty convinced people with more than 10 keys on their backpack shoudn't be able to comment on key suggestions coz 2greedy.

hes banned for spamming

Too bad his alt isn't. He's logged into it right now.

http://backpack.tf/id/goodguy123

So I'd say the ban is just window dressing.

As for the key price. All comments about 'cherry picking' outpost links aside (which is exactly what the people raising the price do), I see 5 ref pretty commonly on trade servers. If the vote is still up later I'll try to get a screenshot.

Wait a min...if you get banned your alts are supposed to get banned....

That's why I said the ban is nothing more than window dressing. Funny he gets a pass where any one else would have ALL of their accounts banned so fast their heads would spin.

You'd think it should be longer than a standard ban since he's actively circumventing the ban.

I thought we had previously banned all of his alts. I have banned his alt and added four days to his current ban for ban circumvention.

Please notify mods of things like that directly so we can respond to them faster.

His alt's new name is i hate cleverpun, she bad

You mean we don't have to hear from Long for four months? God bless you!

It's actually like 5 days. It's his alt that got banned for 4 months.

YES I CAN STILL COMENT

http://puu.sh/31ObN.png

Mind = Blown

So I'm a fag and I want keys to go up? Keep your negative comments to yourself.

So I can't comment?

well, i think anarchy's plan has backfired.....

The buying link was SUCCESSFUL, so don't complain about how it's irrelavent.

So why do I have 2 offers of 5.33 for each key already?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11123577

he's not taking out the high end so this would be irrelevant.

because it's in the range.

Id like to point out that both of those guys who offered on your trade haven't got a 50$ backpack between them, and are both trying to resell keys at a laughable price of 5.55 and 5.66 ... good luck to them.

For everyone thinking he's trying to lower the price of keys, notice that he is instead just increasing the range downward.

It's far from over.

Good observation

this is like everyone's big moment, which goes to the mods to decide

Within 5 min of me getting on a trade server:

http://i.imgur.com/MD3hOPX.jpg

Thanks You so much :D

I Hope the Price Success Decrease

Everyone really needs to stop requesting warns. I'm like Candle Jack.

Maybe if you didn't warn people so much....

Do you still want the cookie?

Good luck with your ban.

Thanks Chigga for using my sales. When I get more Keys I'll sell them at 3 Refined each make sure to help me.

Don't sell at 3 ref or nobody will take that as serious proof. They'll just call you nooby and dumb and why would he do that and your generosity would be thrown out the window as trash. Sell at or slightly below the bottom price recorded by this site if you want people to use your niceness as proof.

5 ref will be good :)

Yo. look up, got some proof for you.

Alright I'll sell at 4.66.

That won't actually change anything at all. Just 5 ref is good, that is what we to do here.

Just bought a key for a clean Fancy Dress Uniform + a ref. About 4.55 right there

http://postimg.org/image/l50ervvah/ Hope this contributes to the suggestion :3

So when I sell my keys at 5.44, can we extend it up since we're extending it down to apply to quicksells? Might as well catch both ways.

I see proof for 5 Ref, yet no proof that 5 ref happens as often as the rest of the current range. Downvote since no proof comparing to the rest of the range.

Sure, why don't we get rid of 5.33 as well, since it's a "quicksell"

And 5 ref should be included in the range because:

Many people accept 1 ref as 0.2 keys when dealing with items such as Last Breaths, S.Eternal Rewards, and other items with key increments.

I'm not getting rid of anything from the range, I'm simply extending it.

I feel I need to ask this. If 5.33< is the current "quicksell", then why is it in the pricing? That would imply anything 5.11> would be a quicksell using this same logic.

No, you see, 5.33 is a "quicksell." 5.44 and 5.55 are slow and possible, but that is what the market is defined by right? Those trades that take time to sell but eventually sell? Then shouldn't the range be 5.55-6, because I've seen some people sell for 6?

No, because keys are different from every other item in the game. Key prices will always be "quicksells" because they are in constant demand.

Upvote. It's still possible.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10642773

The strange thing is, I haven't been about to buy one for 5 ref for weeks, yet you found about 20+ sellers, upvoted

Good proofs and a first step to make key prices normal. Upvoted.

How do we know what a "normal price" is? This is an economy, prices can change every day.

We know that 2.55 ref is a normal key price. Why? Because back in these days everyone was fine with that price. Today the majority of people dislikes this price(I see key price suggestions with less than 40% agreed wich get accepted), and so it simply isnt normal.

Keys have been traded for 1 Ref when Valve implemented the trade option.

There is nothing like a normal price for anything.

Btw. the scores on keysuggestions are meaningless since most people vote by opinion and not by proof/current marketprices. They simply don't want that a higher and more accurate price is reported here. You can expect that this comment will be disliked to hell, just because I'm right.

The community thinks that problems will be solved by downvoting suggestions which are raising the price and upvoting suggestions which are reducing the price. Such a childish acting.

These "proofs" are just peoples opinions. They are like "oh cool, I will just sell it for a scrap more", a few days later people follow that and sell them for a scrap more too. This happens over and over again, until you reach a shi*t price like 5+ ref. Then people come to backpack.tf and use all these trades as "proof". Thats it. Theres no proof in the TF2 economy, only opinions. So yeah, VALVe could simply make Keys craftable for 2.55 ref, or whatever to solve this problem, but they wont(wich sux).

People don't need to buy "overpriced" Keys. It's their own fault if they always pay more.

Btw. Making Keys craftable will just fuck up everything in TF2. It would cause the biggest inflation in this game.

Then VALVe should give everyone who owns a key atm a second one. Also, I dont buy keys anymore. But dont forget that the main point of keys is opening crates, and back in the days not all people wanted to pay money for them, and so traded their stuff for a fair price.

Another 5 ref seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11170702#/37790656

"I got rid of it for 5.22 i thought was an okay trade"

Alas, key price is now decreasing. Its up for the mods to decide (which VALVE SHOULD decide).

I think the employees of Valve have better things to do than making a price list for virtual items.

I agree with this, Keys should be no more than 5 ref. The constant inflation is driving me nuts.

HAY U STOOPID DONT LOWER KEY PRAIS KAYS MAST BI 6 REFAINDS

Such a joke. Good proof, upvote.

http://puu.sh/31sRK.jpg

upvote!

OooooooOOOoooohh.. you found a month old picture of a key being sold .. LEGIT.

haha

Where did you see it was a "month old" picture?

He has no proof it's from recently either...

I'm pretty sure I remember a suggestion with this exact proposed range being closed because "the range was too big". Seems that 5 refined is indeed possible now, but we shall see what the admins think.

scrap.tf buys at 5.22, sells at 5.44

I'm pretty sure Geel9 said he doesn't want his website used as proof on here though.

Yet people used it for successful bought at 5 ref when it bought at 5.

It was still bought at 5 when the 5.11-5.33 suggestion passed and it still is now.

He's banned.

I know that. That's the intention :D

I bought one for 5 ref, I can get a proof if you need.

Yes please :)

i think that the price 5 ref for 1 key is ridiculous becos now when 5 ref IS quicksell there is only one solution we need to get the price lower or the price is soon so high that even Gabe Newell cant buy them

5.11 is a "quicksell"

5.22 is a "quicksell"

5.33 is a "quicksell"

Ok, new range will be 5.44-5.55 because they aren't "quicksells"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11107490

sold one for 6ref clean.

I feel sorry for that guy who bought that.

You got no proof that someone bought it lol.

Look at the item history. It's changed from him to Chocolate.

YOU are part of the key inflation problem.

PPM Stats , i searched keys , This is what i got :

http://pyroprotectme.gameme.com/chat/tf?chat_list_order=eventTime&chat_list_order_type=desc&chat_list_filter=Keys&chat_list_filter_type=message&chat_list_filter_button.x=0&chat_list_filter_button.y=0#chat_list

"26 May 2013 10:58:28 2,922

SingaporeDrake2411 B>Keys 5.22.S>items in my bp for 1 scrap.Trade me!"

Dude ends up spamming it for at least 2 pages because no one will sell keys at that price.

WalrusSauce #RSK

was selling an item for 5 keys (no one had any)

khan55014

wanting keys for good pyro items, no reply

[LLG]James-117 (only reply)

not selling keys, hoarder (like me)

Conclusion: No one was selling keys

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

Insulting me...you're funny.

And who the hell even goes onto pyroprotectme?

ok ok ok i understand that keys are going up in price and people will still buy them at their current price. but seriously even backpack.tf uses keys as a source of currency for keys to change price is similar that a 1 dollar bill is now with 78 dollars. it just doesn't work like that. the reason everyone's buying keys is not to unbox just so their backpack won't be filled when they're trying to buy things they want.

I bought a key in 5 ref and this is the proof: http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3143/keytu.png

I hope this will help you :D

thanks :)

WE WON!!!!

Nope, admins can still close this.

How the hell are there trades for 5 ref, that i dont know about?

We've maxed out upvotes.

Heh, that feel when it wont LET you vote upward.

I'd upvote but it reached the upvote cap :s

Here's a couple more that I bought for 5.0 flat.

http://puu.sh/31GDr.png

Glad to be used as proof :3

Thank You.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10582042

Another trade at 5. No problems it seems with people selling for this price.

thank you

Same guy, different dates.

http://i.imgur.com/Vkmd01J.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YnIPmSi.jpg

FINALY!!! Red down arrow on keys!!! Now lets see if we can keep this up!

Get keys back to 2.33

Yeah...uh...less talk more proof please.

Downvote, since selling for 5.11 ref still being a quicksell. Most of the proofs you showed are quicksellers who had been added in less than 3 minutes after posting their trades.

Read the description.

# of keys sold>how fast they are sold.

What i mean is that I know that you did your homework, and fought many users who sold their keys for 5 keys, but being honest, buying keys for 5 ref is almost imposible if you are not fast. Most of the people who sells for 5 ref is people who don´t realizes that they can sell them for more. I agree with you; if you are patient you will buy a key for 5 ref, but as i said before, gl competing with another 100 quickbuyers. I don´t think 5 ref is a real price at the moment. I´m not willing to see keys going up, but i just don´t agree with your proofs. Anyways, Gl with this.

Suggestion: go to trade servers. Outpost isn't the only thing that exists.

If # of keys sold is more important then how fast they are sold, then why isn't 5.44 Refined in the range, or even 5.55 Refined?

HEY MODS, would making a price adding 5.44 to the range count as a counter sugestion as in the new rules? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11076563 I will add 5.44 to the range if this passes but i will wait a week if nessecary.

It would count as a counter-suggestion, yes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11191676

4.66 xD

"i will give 1 key for 4.66 or 5.33"

Srsly, how dumb is this guy?

i was wondering the same thing

If you look at his outpost profile, he just posts a bunch of random trades then closes them.

lol he wants buds + key for bacon grease

He wants 9 keys OR buds+some keys. Wut

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11183124

Buyer for 5.33...

Notice how 5.33 ref is still in the range?

I know, but if you look at outpost, there are so many 5.33 buyers. I just sold one of my keys for 5.33 in less than a minute. There are even some bots that buy at 5.44. 5 ref trades are just too rare compared to 5.11-5.33, and even 5.44.

Can you not see the massive wall of proof in this suggestion? 5 ref is very possible and should be in the range.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11076563 Buying for 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11157743 Buying for 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11179255 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11150418 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11058230 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11164522 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11192819 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11191002 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10690300 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11043988 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11123139 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11166113 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11177627 5.33

Also, this "wall"... is small compared to the total amount of key trades, especially considering he uses a website that finds good deals for him... Cherrypicking to the max...

Just sayin'.

Also, don't forget to count all the unsuccessful buyers at 5 ref...

And there are OTHER successful buyers/many sellers at 5. 5.33 is in the range. The only counter is 5.44, which is only 1 link.

hopefully this will pass, then keys will go down to 4.66 then 4.33 and eventually down back to 2.66. I own about 25 keys, and i proudly support this suggestion. all other key owners should too. this can and will fix the economy.

Buying keys @ 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11192164

Show only SUCCESSFUL trades please :)

I heartily support this suggestion. I have about 505ish keys. But the irony is whenever I search for key sellers all the ones who pop up are 5.44-5.66 ref sellers. To buy 1 key for 5-5.33 ref, the suggester clearly forgot to mention that it takes an average of about 5-6 hours with constant page refreshing, lots of prayers, super fast internet, luck to beat hundreds of other competitors and most importantly time to waste. Ah also, I am sure my fellow traders would have witnessed it too, that you add a seller selling keys for 5 ref or so and by the time you are about to trade he gets 100 other invites with people trying to pay 1 extra scrap to get the best bargain. Thus rendering the 5 ref selling advertisement totally worthless. I think the suggester forgot this phenomenon too.

Or you know, trade.tf :D

lol trade.tf not sell keys, they only report with a delay time for few seconds which is enough for that bargain to be gone. I am sure a trader of your calibre knew of this, but you continue to surprise me every-time.

Time delay of 10 seconds. It doesn't matter who gets it, just that it was a SUCCESSFUL trade.

lol mate I think you forgot to read the text in red. This is common in most of them, atleast the ones advertised on outpost.

I have tried ninjaing with trade.tf, i always get there second......

Read the description. # sold>how fast they sell.

mate you need to understand this clearly, "Read the description. # sold>how fast they sell.", in english it means quick selling.

And guess what? By people's definition of "key" 5.33 is a "quicksell." 5.44 or 5.55 takes (estimating) 2 hours to sell. So why don't we eliminate 5.11-5.33 as the range and put 5.44-5.55 because they aren't so-called "quicksells?"

You have to ask this to a moderator, I cannot make this decision.

What do you mean by #sold>How fast the sell. I mean like how many sold would be good enough to prove that it's not quicksell? Would at least 20% of the total sale have to be at 5 ref to prove that it's not quicksell?

Mate if you check the number of successful sellers at 5.44-5.66 ref, they clearly equal or exceed the number of sellers at 5-.533 ref, so if we were to adhere to the suggesters argument that # sold>how fast they sell then the current range should include 5-5.66 ref mate.

You have to understand and acknowledge both sides on the coin mate, not just the convenient one.

Got proof of 5.44-5.66 exceeds 5-5.33?

yeah I responded for this similar question below.

It's your job to provide counterproof, not mine or Onion's.

Calm down guys.lol. I need to provide counter-proof when I disagree that there are no sales at 5 ref. I am only arguing that are those sales, which are not for a regular trader,allowed to be included in key pricing on this website?

How are they not for regular traders?

Wait what....? You support this suggestion, but you provide points that argue against the suggestion? "But the irony is whenever I search for key sellers all the ones who pop up are 5.44-5.66 ref sellers. To buy 1 key for 5-5.33 ref, the suggester clearly forgot to mention that it takes an average of about 5-6 hours with constant page refreshing, lot of prayers, super fast internet, luck to beat hundreds of other competitors and most importantly time to waste. " - so it's extremely hard to buy at 5 ref? "you add a seller selling keys for 5 ref or so and by the time you are about to trade he gets 100 other invites with people trying to pay 1 extra scrap to get the best bargain." - Just proves that 5 ref is quicksell, and people are easily willing to go higher. I honestly don't see how you "heartily support this suggestion."

Mate I support this suggestion and I have upvoted it too, but that is only because I support the cause, but this website does not work on cause. The facts are totally opposite to what are being presented.

So you agree that this suggestion is wrong? :P Then wouldn't this being accepted ruin the point of the site, which is to report accurate prices?

you reckon this would be approved?

Nope

better say yes to it mate, or you shall be pounded with negative comments like I am right now :)

He can have his own opinion. So can you. But your claim of keys @ 5.44-5.66>5-5.33 is laughable.

Agreed, It has already been mentioned time and time again that 5 refined sell at lightning speed.

Cleverpuns suggestion even showed sales at 5.55 refined but I closed it because the range is too wide.

5 refined may happen but they sell so fast The only reason we even know they exist is because Trade.tf just tracks and lists them.

Once again, 10 min after I got on a trade server:

http://i.imgur.com/XrMs8LA.jpg

Mate backpack.tf is to report for an average price. Not every trader has time like you to go jumping one trade server from another - trying to be millionaire. Most try to play the game like a game, if not then just use third part trading websites.

The ratio of people paying 5.33-5.66 ref is much much much much more then the ones paying 5-5.33 ref.

I stay on one server. The server where I have admin powers and I can do shits and giggles with people.

well all the more reason to be online 23 hrs out of 24, unlike an average trader.

what? If you mean my steam profile, I'm always online because I never turn my tablet or phone off.

Mate its not about personal opinions. The current facts are that the range is anywhere from 5 -5.66 ref. There are many successfull sellers for 5.66 ref, which equals or exceeds the sellers @ 5 ref each.

Many successful sellers at 5.66, Id love to see some proof from you, but everytime I see your name in these key suggestions its the same script, minus the proof. Show us the proof, so then your opinion could be validated.

Mate I do not need to post any counter-proof, PS: I am not posting a suggestion to raise the price to 5.66 ref. And if I committed this crime then I shall be showered with hate and dislike comments, and I definitely do not want that.

Also no one needs to validate my opinion, lol. Opinions are for people to acknowledge or ignore.

My opinion is totally mine, and if you are itching to validate my opinion then I suggest using search function on outpost, a little bit of your head, regular trading, and most importantly buy and sell some keys.

Youve stated that there are many successful sellers for 5.66.. show us the proof of that statement, or are you withdrawing it? If you cant back up that statement then pipe down or remove it? Without the proof its just opinion, which is not wanted here.

You make alot of statements like that in these key suggestions, and never any followup proof and until now noone has called you out on it.

"There are many successfull sellers for 5.66 ref"

"To buy 1 key for 5-5.33 ref, the suggester clearly forgot to mention that it takes an average of about 5-6 hours"

"The ratio of people paying 5.33-5.66 ref is much much much much more then the ones paying 5-5.33 ref."

Show us the proof, or keep your opinion to yourself.

Please knock yourself out:

1. http://www.tf2outpost.com/search

2.http://www.trade.tf/

3. http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/

4. http://dispenser.tf/search/

5. http://bazaar.tf/search

6. look for more >>>>>>

That is your job to provide counterproof, not mine. Or you know, you might be too lazy to do research....http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5111b6b5ba25364716000001

You have 0 proof whatsoever of keys being sold at 5.66 or 5.55.

Indeed, all he does is make these baseless accusations, and then expects others to search for him. Go look for yourself, your the one making these statements.

Mate no one is lucky to have as much free time as you have got. But yeah if you need proof I can very well gather them when I get home in the evening.

In the meanwhile please use some of those beautiful search functions.

Thats your job. We will happily wait for you to do your job at backing up your statements and providing counterproof.

Sure but before I waste my time what have you got so far from my arguments? Do my arguments deny sales at 5 ref that I need to counter it otherwise? What am I countering exactly?

Not sure, I just want to see how accurate your statement of, "5.44-5.66 exceeds 5-5.33."

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11012477 Sold 4 for 5.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10976952 Sold 1 for 5.66, has another offer for 5.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10690300 Add for 2 at 5.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11191926 Add at 5.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10975940 Adds for 5.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11194983 Sold for 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11195069 Sold for 5.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11174627 Sold 10 at 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11041349 Adds for 5.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 Has a recent add for 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10685146 Same bot, has adds for 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6962413 55 at 5.33, 42 at 5.44, 1 at 5.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11196383 Sold for 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11193195 Has 7 or more sold at 5.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11181157 Sold 33 at 5.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11053121 Buying for 5.38

Yeah...

L1: Only has 1 comment saying I'll take some. He doesn't have proof of any others sold.

L2: Price is 6 ref. Apparntley he sold one for that price. Outlier. Offer of 5.66 legit.

L3: Offer in items for a key. 2 offers to sell keys for 5.33.

L4: 2 adds, one wanted 1 key, other one was looking to mass buy because he had too much metal.

L5: By comments, you can tell he is constantly updating his prices. 1 legit add

L6: Legit counter.

L7: Legit.

L8: Has no proof of 15 keys sold.

I'll do the other ones later. I have to go.

"free time"

It's the weekend. Of course I have "freetime"

And why would I waste time by looking for supposedly "counterproof" against my own suggestion?

lol counter proof to your suggestion mate is not sales at 5.66 ref lol. Stop getting worked out lol. The only valid counter to your suggestion is the argument that are those key sales, which are in extremely low numbers and sold instantly or in other words you ave to be lucky to get them, acceptable while suggesting a price range on these keys on this website?

Your are ment to be proving your own opinions, to make them valid counterproof instead of useless opinions.

"There are many successfull sellers for 5.66 ref"

"To buy 1 key for 5-5.33 ref, the suggester clearly forgot to mention that it takes an average of about 5-6 hours"

"The ratio of people paying 5.33-5.66 ref is much much much much more then the ones paying 5-5.33 ref."

2 out of 3 would suffice for me.

"lol counter proof to your suggestion is not sales at 5.66 ref lol"

Prove the range is incorrect.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11197684

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11197659

These two people are selling for 5 ref each.

Thanks Stango, more proof to add to the pile, getting quite high now.

http://imgur.com/zrycwlr

every key helps I presume.

bought 1 for 5 ref just now, the guy added me off my outpost trade

Thanks Kaushu

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11199737-5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11199264-5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11203789- 5

I am going to downvote because I think it will be closed for a pile of non-relevant conversation. Also, trade.tf and finance do support a drop of any kind. 5 ref isn't happening out there.

"non-relevant conversaion" - wut...suggestions don't get closed for that.

Finance expienced a server crash recently.

the OWNER of trade.tf supports this suggestion.

5 ref isn't happening? please.look at the proof, thanks.

Finance went down on the 21 and recovered on the 25. It had keys at 5.22 when it went down and no has them at 5.33.

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

Show me his support because his site shows that not a single trade (much less any volume of trades) is at 5 ref.

http://trade.tf/price/5021/6

got some proof here too @ 5 ref :)

http://i.imgur.com/H1iNOBP.png

1)2x keys for 10 ref (26 may)

2) 1xkey for 5 ref. (26 may)

Thank you :)

max upvotes, if this dose not get approved i will, I have no idé

Here's another proof. My trade 5 ref for 1 key.

http://i.imgur.com/jZh7yT2.png

Five Refined Is A Pretty Good Deal

only one bit of meagre proof, but http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11184147 added at 5 ref

That one took 7 hours as well. Turns out they're NOT an instant buy. :D

I don't even support this. I think current range is fine. But I found it and I kinda like "thatotherchigga" so I thought, let's help him

But it's stupid, cuz scrap.tf buys at 5.22, i honestly don't see why you'd sell at lower. All you do is:

Go to scrap.tf >> click Bank Keys >> click Sell keys >> Wait for the add. It's literally that simple.

And it's literally that simple that people are selling at 5 ref and Geel9 has said scrap.tf will NOT be used as proof on backpack.tf

I never denied the fact that there are people selling at 5 ref. But the truth is, it's quicksell. When an item is sold literally within seconds of posting it, you know it's quicksell. There really is no denying that. But your still right about the fact that there are many people selling at that price. My question is, should uninformed traders be used as proof. And yes, i have every right to call them uninformed. Cuz i said so. xD But seriously, if they can effortlessly sell for more, but they choose to sell for less, wouldn't you call that uninformed, or at the very least, an idiot? Or if they are informed, it's price manipulation. If someone offered 5 buds for an unusual, and someone offered 6, which would you take? Doubtlessly the 6 buds offer, assuming it's from someone that's trusted. It's the same case here. There are people literally begging to buy it for more, but if you sell for less, well either you clearly didn't see the offer. Or your an idiot. Or your selling for less in hopes that it'll be used as proof to lower the price, which is price manipulation, they are attempting to create a price. And i'm wondering if those people should be used as proof. This site is a guide. If a newbie checks it, and wants to get rid of a key fast, they will most likely try to sell for 5.11, but wouldn't they be uninformed, as they could effortlessly get 5.22 instead? I don't even agree with this range, I disagree with even having 5.11 in the range, while there are so many people willing to pay more. But it doesn't matter to me cuz i can't afford keys anymore :(

now there is a response

What did he say?

a buyer without response

This is stupid. Might have been true 3 days ago but its not anymore. A new vote with a range of 5.22 - 5.44 will start right after this gets passed. You kids seem to think that by voting for prices on backpack.tf you actually influence what people pay for them. WRONG. Quit crying about key prices children, They are going up and you cant stop it by voting here.

and please, try and buy one for 5.22 right now.

Oh man, soapboxing about how unimportant we all are. I feel so helpless.

I disagree, backpack.tf definitely has correlation with key prices, keys would not be rising at such fast of a rate if people on backpack didn't force it so much.

Also, nice backpack page full of keys. Worried about a 24 cent drop in your backpack?

"...keys would not be rising at such fast of a rate if people on backpack didn't force it so much."

Please explain this.

The people who suggest the higher price for keys only do so because it's true. Just go to Outpost, do a search for key on the left and refined on the right and keep refreshing the page. If you can find a 5 ref key, good luck being first to add. And today, if you can find a key at 5.33, same story, you gotta be fast. Knowing this, why would a seller sell at 5 ref and leave .33 on the table? That's irrational behavior and should not be considered in the range.

Also this. http://scrap.tf/keys

lol I like how people keep posting scrap.tf as "counterproof" when I have repeatedly stated why it's not.

Your opinion doesn't matter. Keys cost more than your range. Deal with it.

Either provide counterproof, post something useful, or quit whining and get out.

OMG for a long time keys going down O___o upvote

I finally got a key for 5 refined.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11207992

Here, use it as proof. Not much, but here you go!

Aaand i used the key to unbox a outdoorsman.

http://scrap.tf/keys

Current Sell Price: 5.22 refined

Current Buy Price: 5.44 refined

and scrap.tf have 1 key in stock atm

5 ref is quicksale

scrap.tf does NOT count as proof, and can easily be manipulated.

if this gets accepted, I can guarantee you they will lower their buying price.

so http://tf2finance.com/keys/ can be easy manipulated too?

1 Key = 5.29 Refined

yes it can, didn't you watch it go down when backpack.tf lowered the key prices?

TF2F supports a lower price range = Good proof, you can use it

TF2F supports a higher price range = Bad proof, can also not be used as counterproof cuz easily manipulable

lolwat? How can scrap.tf be manipulated? I can understand complaints about tf2finance, but scrap.tf literally cannot be manipulated, for it buys and sells keys for a certain price.

if you were to keep track of their prices, you would of noticed them lowering their buy prices when backpack.tf lowered the price, its THAT easy!

And Geel9 has raged for scrap.tf NOT to be proof on suggestions.

Also, if key "quicksells" continue to be defined as the same as normal quicksells, then the current range is extremely incorrect. The range would be 5.44-5.66 or something ridiculous like that.

Now tell me why scrap.tf is constantly out of keys?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11213569 - 5 ref just now - that guy grovelling is just ...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11243078 - 5 ref

So many butthurt people who don't want keys to go down because they got 10000 :3

I want keys to go down and i deal with plenty of them...

I have 140 and I want them to go down

It's saying that I can't give a positive vote because too many people have already done so..... well then.

then just don't downvote :)

upvote!!!!!!!!!!

(moral) upvoted, u can still get keys at 5 ref, so it should be in the range.

i get that metal is losing its value, but backpack.tf is making it happen MUCH faster. just try and remember the days of spreadsheet and the how slow keys changed prices.

btw, your ban on outpost is so nonsense, i didn't know they banned for so little.

> (moral) upvoted, u can still get keys at 5 ref, so it should be in the range.

You can also sell Keys at 5,55 Refm so it should be included in the range.

5 ref is still a quicksell, it shouldn't be included in the range.

VERY Quick!

Since i couldn't find a team to the next season, i was checking OP for keys.

So far, found only one.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11221353 2013.05.27 22:30 GMT+1

It was super quicksell like, i was drinking and didn't look the monitor for a moment, while the page was refreshing. Sold under 36 SECONDS.

P.S.: Will search for more.

I made some research too, and all the trades that were opened selling for 5 ref got INSTA SOLD. One guy even begged for the guy selling at 5 ref that if he sold the keys to him, he would pay 5.22 each. I dont want keys to raise, but prices must show what keys are acutally sold for, not counting quicksells.

Wow.

A guy is selling one for 2.33.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/113859493

Just someone who was looking for it right at that time, just coincidence, not a super quicksell

5.11 is a "quicksell"

5.22 is a "quicksell"

5.33 is a "quicksell"

ALL key prices are QUICKSELLS. They will always sell fast.

Not really, keys that are put up for 5.22 or above are not insta sold. 5 ref gets tons of add insantly and even peopel willing to add a scrap in order to be the buyers.

5 ref is quicksell. Everyone knows that, your argument is #Sold is more important than how fast. And that's actually a pretty good argument. The only reason im downvoting is beacuse, i don't think uninformed traders should be used as proof.

Scrap.tf buys at 5.22. I honestly don't see why anyone would sell at lower, unless of course, your uninformed. All you have to do is:

Go to scrap.tf >> Click back keys >> Click sell keys >> Wait for the add >> Accept the add >> Trade. Done. It's literally that simple. I don't see why you'd waste your time trying to buy a buyer on a trade server or outpost, when you can effortlessly and very easily sell for 5.22

well, the uniformed are technically still selling for 2.55[approximation] (those who are just asking for whatever for their keys, and could care less about backpack or outpost)

5 ref is fairly new and if people are selling them for that, then i think that it is definitely in the range. upvote

You have absolutley no right to call these traders "uninformed." The same argument can be made with people buying keys for 5.66 when they could easily buy for 5.33. Geel9 has stated, raged even, that scrap.tf will not be used as proof for anything on backpack.tf

You have absolutely no right to tell me who i can call "uninformed" and who i can't. xD

And anyways, gimme a good reason why you'd sell at 5 ref, when without even waiting, without pretty much doing anything at all, you can get 2 scraps extra. And i'm not using it as proof. Nor am i using it as counter proof. I just don't agree with using people that don't know about the fact that they can easily get more, with even less work, as proof.

Also "The same argument can be made with people buying keys for 5.66 when they could easily buy for 5.33." Nope not true. Btw its 5.44, and it's easier to sell for 5.22, as it's effortless, you don't need to put up a trade, you don't really have to do anything, just go in the queue and wait for the add.

Now to buy from scrap.tf, ex: right now, 3 keys are reserved, and only 1 is available. And you can only buy 6 at a time. So please, I'm very curious about how you can make the same argument. Since, from my experience, and other's experience, the keys are barely EVER at stock, so buying is actually extremely hard. You need to check repeteadly, and hope you somehow find one. Their is a lot of waiting, and in no way is it easy.

Still going to use scrap.tf as counterproof?

And keys will always be a "quicksell." They are in constant demand and will always be defined as a "quicksell."

I bought one for 5 ref yesterday, couldn't get a puush of it though

What? Just go to your inventory history, take a pic, and upload it...

I've just bought 2 for 5 ref each (can add screen if needed). I would upvote if I could.

Yes please take screenies.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11227233

And the guy I bought it from was also selling 4 ref each

outlier yes i know

How's this for number of keys sold?

http://imgur.com/a/kaWlB

Not only is it easy to sell for 5.55ref, but it's becoming more and more difficult to buy large amounts @ <=5.33ref.

Alright, good counterproof. But you are one single bot who is buying for above the suggested price. Show me that the # of 5.55 buyers/sellers are greater than, equal to, or close to the number of trades happening at 5-5.33.

I guarantee you that if you monitor every trade for the next, say 6 hours, that the number of keys bought/sold @ 5.33-5.66 will grossly out weigh the number of keys sold for 5-5.22. Hell, I'll give you a ref if you manage to find 10 keys that sell within 5-5.22 ref over the next 6 hours.

Could I give you proof of keys in the past 6 hours instead of the next 6 hours? I'm going to sleep in 2 hours.

Go for it, if you can actually prove 10 keys sold within the range 5-5.22 ref, in the last 6 hours, then kudos to you.

(btw, bot has sold 5 keys for 5.55 ref and 3 for 5.66ref [user chose to overpay] within the last hour)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11229139 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11228469 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11228042 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11227126 2 @ 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11225483 2 @ 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11230423 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11230264 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11223807 3 @ 5.11

In the past 6 hours. 12 sold.

Eh, I'd almost guarantee that people overpayed in order to get dibs on them.

+I'd guarantee that there were heaps more sold in the 5.33-5.66 ref in the same time.

But, add me for the ref anyway.

Very good proof upvote, but yet, it is getting kinda difficult to find sellers for 5 ref on trade server at the very least sellers for 5.11 ref. Every person I meet on trade servers sell for 5.33 ref or higher :/

Thank god it's not another suggestion by Long.

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9489311 - 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11228469 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11227126 2 @ 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11225483 2 @ 5 ref

add more proof please

can't you see the amount of proof already?

yea but more would be more convincing cause 5-5.33 is quicksell price and sells in 1 second

I made a 5:1 trade yesterday for a key here's the image.

http://i.imgur.com/ihvUARz.jpg

You would figure that this would be accepted considering it reached the upvote cap.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11174704

Just so you know, people do buy keys for 5.55 ref.

I have sold multiple keys for this price and I have even sold a couple for as much as 6 ref before.

proof? I've seen alot of people selling their keys at 5 refs too

Well I don't really have proof on most of them sold, as the prices were discussed in private chat, but :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11176490

In the end, this key sold for 5.55, but note, the first commenter was happy to buy it at 5.33. Which is higher than 5 ref.

Good for you. And guess what? Highballing won't help this economy will it? And 5-5.33 greatly exceeds 5.44-5.66

Well, i found some. Did you linked in these so far?

TradePost: -

http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9489311 - 5.00 Refined

http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9489114 - 4.00 Refined

http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9487876 - 5.00 Refined

http://www.tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9484985 - 5.00 Refined

I know some people will hate me for this, but it is way to easy to sell keys for 5.11-5.33 ref

Here are some links showing 5.33ref+ buyers only:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11170435

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11223481

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11211656

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11236574

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11195206

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11241627

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11171145

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11042308

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11166600

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11068265

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11043988

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11163847

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11195206 and even a lot more.

Everybody who wants to sell for 5.33 can easily do so.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51a30a084bd7b8c124000007 seems to be more legit even though the upper range is screwed up there. IMO 5-5.44 would be perfect for now.

Since your proof is good, I am going to stay neutral on this.

5.33 is in the range. some people aren't greedy and can sell below a rec. i myself don't care, when i need metal i usually just sell for 5 ref.

It has received enough positive votes. But I can still vote against it.

WHAT IF I DON'T WANT, BACKPACK.TF? Pssh..

I'll just write it down then; Upvote from me, lots of proof, that's how a price suggestion is supposed to be.

http://imgur.com/ueLyciA me buying a key for 5 ref just 10 minutes ago