Suggestion: Non-Craftable Handyman's Handle at 4 ref

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~4.66 ref

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 04 Jun 13 05:24:39 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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i have an offer of 1key right now. im not selling that low.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10551070

1 of 874

only 1 for sale on out post not un a multi bud set.

ur offer dosent mean anything... its like the same as me putting keys for 1 rec and il make a suggestion keys for 1 rec . sorry not being a dick but thats your logic..

well there is a slight difference in the amount of items traded, while keys are traded all day every day this item is not http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/114878061

my logic is that the only one on outpost has a c/o of 4ref and will keep because thats too low. I think you are saying i lie about it?

Those two scenarios are not analogous at all.

While I disagree with the other counter-arguments in this thread, I would suggest waiting until you sell it or get more offers before you make a suggestion. The only other offer you have gotten appears to be 1.66, so 4 ref could easily be an outlier.

He's been offered 4 ref by a guy called LameSheep on that trade. Make research before posting anything.

his original post said his C/O was 4 ref at the time of my comment (3 days ago). LameSheep is clearly the person I was talking about. During that time, LameSheep bought one elsewhere and retracted his offer, leaving us with no proof of any offers above 1.66 in the OP. Thanks for the great advice though.

well that was awkward then.

lamesheep bought one for 1key

and grillaz had bought it for less than 3 ref. seems that maybe a range would be appropriate.

1 offer can't change the price of every copy of an item in-game. I sold a black rose for 1 key, 2 scraps + gift wrap, that doesn't mean all black roses are worth a key+ wrap. I simply got lucky and so did he with a 4 ref offer (again OFFER, he didnt manage to sell it, the offer got retracted.)

you're ignoring the fact that you are among several sellers for the black rose. there are only one or two sellers of this item right now. the offer was retracted because the person bought one elsewhere for a key. your argument that offers aren't valid unless the seller accepts them doesn't make much sense. he could have sold it for 4 ref if he wanted to.

No, he couldnt have since the seller retracted his offer in a very short time. Even if he sold it at 4 ref that would be 1 trade among hundreds. 1 trade (hell this isnt even a completed trade) isn't valid proof, it never has been and it never shall be.

Oh also, 1 more thing. Rarity doesn't equal demand or price. Buds and bills are 1 of the most common miscs right after gibuses and the like, yet they are 1 of the most expensive ones. Say i craft a wep and name it herpaderpaherp234234, it would be the only weapon of its kind crafted by me and with that name, it would be a 1 out of 1. Doesnt mean anyone would pay more than a scrap for it. Uncraftables are crap, sellers keep trying to raise the price by saying theyre no longer obtainable but theres 100s of thousands of them, so unless you have a 1 of 1 or 1 of 10 glitched uncaftable item (like the conjurer's cowl) its still crap that no one needs.

he did not retract he got one for a key. also that was the only trade of this item sence this was posted.

>Say i craft a wep and name it herpaderpaherp234234, it would be the only weapon of its kind crafted by me and with that name, it would be a 1 out of 1. Doesnt mean anyone would pay more than a scrap for it

horrible analogy. all it would take to make another one is a tag.

> Uncraftables are crap, sellers keep trying to raise the price by saying theyre no longer obtainable but theres 100s of thousands of them, so unless you have a 1 of 1 or 1 of 10 glitched uncaftable item (like the conjurer's cowl) its still crap that no one needs

entirely useless opinion

>Have fun selling your uncraftables for a key, hey maybe someone will offer a bud or a houwar.

You know argument is failing when you resort to acting like a ten year old.

We aren't talking about all uncraftables. We aren't talking about any of them being worth a HOUWAR. We are talking about a specific uncraftable that literally did just sell for a key.

>that would be 1 trade among hundreds

If you have proof of hundreds of other trades for this item, please show us.

An incomplete suggestion with flimsy proof shouldnt be accepted simply because currently there isnt better proof. Wait and see, if you see 5 more selling for 1 key, put the price at 1 key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11420876

do you feel 1.33 refined is an accurate price, given recent sales?

"recent sales" being 1 sale i have no opinion. until collectors start going crazy for dirties 1.33 is an ok price

1 sale is the only recent sale. Your opinion doesn't matter. What are you basing what is "ok" off of? One was recently bought quickly for 2.66 and sold immediately for a key. If you think 1.33 is an "ok" price for the spreadsheet, you don't fully understand what the spreadsheet represents.

this one has been offered 4 and 6 ref: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11420876

disliking every one of my comments doesn't automatically win the debate for you.

If you look very closely you'll see that you have more than 1 dislike on your comments. It's 2 am, me go sleep now. Have fun selling your uncraftables for a key, hey maybe someone will offer a bud or a houwar.

Gah, I keep thinking that I'm a part of this conversation!!! :P

With two people coming forward telling that they sold theirs and supplying links, I changed my vote. HOWEVER, the "rulers" of backpack.tf may still close it due to the fact that it's only 3 links now

the 3 likns make 100% of the market.

this isn't an unusual and shouldn't be treated as such. there are enough out there and i bet most owners are not even aware that this is an item someone might be silly enough to pay a key for.

i'm sorry, but i just don't see enough proof here to warrant changing the price, especially for the benefit of the guy who has 1/500th of the market :D :D

those who got a key for it should be considered good traders and those who paid for it a strange variety of collector...

You don't even have an offer of 1 key. The highest on that thread is 1.66, you are just saying you got an offer of 1 key so you can get a BP boost.

this is untrue and unnessasary. keep reading...one did sell for a key.

1 trade with 1 offer really isn't enough... I understand that it isn't a common hat and that most people don't want to sell them but you still can't suggest a new price based on a single offer in a single trade. Especially such a large price jump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11416220 - Sold for 1 ref 30 min ago

You still can buy this item for the current price or bellow

hate that i missed that. look its reposted. lol.

I tried to buy 2 but someone was faster......:C

green one just sold for 1 ref: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11433777

let's see how it ends up selling

bro its uncraftable

yeah im not argueing about the price or anything but theres just no proof and ur own offer dosent change anything

oh ok :D i get it now

why is someone offering 4 ref on his trade not valid proof?

There are just some people that re-defy the meaning of stupid...You are one of them. If someone offers 3 times more of the actual value then that means that the current value is a bit too low. So yes, one offer does change something.

"No proof"

I suggest you research some more.

one sold for a key just like your noncraft rack post. you should support this.

Show us a screenshot of your trade history then...

Uncraftable buds are going for 600$, uncraftable is a whole different game for some hats

damn so my uncraft hats are like 4 ref each?

some are .33 some are more

no. some are worth more, some are worth less. kind of like vintages or genuines or stranges or really anything.

Very little proof, major price change, you own 2, coincidence? I think not. Show like 10 more links and you'd have my vote, but if only 1 of 874 (like you said) is selling for this price range I don't think this would be an accurate representation of the item as a whole. Sounds like someone trying to raise their BP value to me. Even if this IS what they go for, you gotta prove it to us. Show more links next time. Downvote.

it is the only one for sale on outpost!

less then 900 and one on outpost. The offer of 4 pure ref that was turned down. That is as good as you are going to get on this item...ever.

Still, look if there is any1 trying to buy it separately out of those sets. A lot of the time people try to do that. Also, look on other trade sites and other resources like reddit and other forums. I'm not saying that this isn't the price, as it very well could be, all I'm saying is with only 1 link it's highly unlikely that this suggestion will be accepted. Also, items sell for out of range prices all the time. Try a bump to like 2 ref, because more than likely some are still selling for 1.33

no. they are not...and if they were i would buy them. this item is 1-2 keys but i have an offer of 4ref. you should not expect a large amount of proof on rare and hard to find collectors items. you should help backpack.tf grt with it. the rare noncrafts are selling for a lot more then listed here. in fact, every now and then i find a noob that uses backpack.tf as a bible and i feel bad for ripping them off. this need to be fixed. backpack.tf is way off on rare noncraft prices.

So you feel bad for ripping them off.. yet still do it.. that's just low, and you then complain that it's because of backpack that you ripped them off, as if you were forced to do it.

that is correct

I am trying to fix the problem.

No you're clearly not. You are an incredible hypocrit, you are complaining that you want the price to go up because it's too low, while ripping 'noobs' off and then saying it is Backpack's fault that you are doing it. No, it is your own greed that is causing this, nothing more.

It's not the only one for sale.

But legit proof, legit suggestion.

Show us the other ones that are being sold then, please - link us to them.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11304981 Your own, maybe?

15 hours old - opened after this suggestion was.... suggested.

it sold for a key!!

if you find any ill buy them on the spot. I cannot find any.

Bigbadbear88, do your homework before blindly throwing out accusations. There is a major lack in available trades involving the sale of the item, and so you can't just accuse people of having too little proof.

Do homework about uncrafts.

is this for me or the other guy?

other

I now have a C/O of 1key for this hat.

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/253/600/0

Seems to be one selling for 2.66 (and it's painted orange AND unsold for 5 days).

i have been trying to buy this for 5 days. this is sad, he has it listed for the backpack.tf price + bonus. he could get a lot more. me and many other have him added and are waiting to shark his ass.

gone now. sold 2mins after you posted? why he no add me!!!

Oh that's actually hilarious! Literally added him just as I posted: http://i.imgur.com/sjiG1AU.png?1

Gg. Wp.

it sold for 2.66 ref. and he got ripped off because he could have gotten a key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10551070

No, I just gave you a link showing that he sold to me for 2.66.

will you take 4ref?

Nope, seeing as now I have a convenient c/o of 1 key for it. Plus more for the paint, possibly.

If you have an offer of 1 key, why 4 ref?

This whole suggestion is only based on one rejected offer that was later raised, not even a sold trade.

This just isn't enough proof to change the price of ~874 of these.

the first offer was 4 ref and then after this posted another offer for a key. on this post i offer 4ref and was turned down. so I have the only one on outpost with an offer of 1key and this post has an offer of 4ref. think about it.

http://i.imgur.com/ml2E7Fh.png?1

Sold an orange one for 1 key, straight up.

You sold to the same guy who is offering 1 key for the 1 in this price suggestion. LameSheep. I dont think the price of uncraft hats should raise based on the trades of a few niche buyers. There are a lot of those out there. When you show at lest 5% of these ones sold for this price then we can think about it

im buying all at 4ref. the only one on outpost got sold for a key. that 100% of outpost. also...many of these are "lost" to old buyers who dont play so the old non craft hats are harder to find.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11303946/edit

i have a new C/O of 4ref

I sold my uncraft plunger for a key, btw.

will you post proof of this for the haters

Although you do have proof of one offer, I don't think its a very convincing argument. You're the one holding the only one on the market so you control supply right now. If you had multiple trades from different owners running throughout a period of time with successful trades at 4 ref that would be great, but with one man controlling the market it doesn't work out very well. As stated in the guidelines:

Provide multiple links of proof: one trade does not represent the entire market.

Here's a few things I gathered from the other guys in the counter-section:

Your trade could be an outlier

Only 1 of 874 being sold like this

Only one other offer on the handle: 1.66

"This whole suggestion is only based on one rejected offer that was later raised, not even a sold trade."

"price of uncraft hats should [not] raise based on the trades on [one] niche buyer."

dont forget that another person did sell his handle to the buyer for a key.

In this case I do in fact controll the market.

I will buy at 4 ref right now.

and people are getting ripped off because of backpack.tf being wrong on these prices. the guy who snip[ed my buyer got his for the bp.tf price and sold for a key in under 5mins.

wtf, only one proof, needs more

more then one.

and i will buy at 4ref

how many more are on the market?

0 are on outpost. if you do a search you will see 3 but 2are part of mutibud sets and 1 says not for sale only buying....so 0 on outpost + 0 on backpackt.tf

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/115578774

Not enough proof as of yet; if more are added, you could have it. For now, downvote.

even though 100% of the ones on outpost sold for a key?

I'm sorry, did you provide proof of this somewhere?

yes...its all here

Are you referring solely to one offer on your item? Because that's the only link I see.

HAAH HAHAHAHAHA.

>"Hurr look only one on Outpost gr8 proof"

>Never actually sold it

>Expects 4 ref to be the actual market value

There are no words for how dumb this suggestion is.

Downvoted. Any mod who accepts this is trippin' some major dope.

this is untrue sir

Really? Show me proof that the guy who made the supposed 4 ref offer actually made the trade. I'll check it when I wake up.

and he changed his offer to a key...pls read better.

ok...this is the post. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10551070

it was "lamesheep" who paid a key and got it from "Avery, Incarnate of Unas" i have asked for them to provide you with a screenshoot. but i doubt this is any kind a scam.

Avery Incarnate sold it to him for a key...and with my help. it is posted above. i know its alot up there but read before posting this kind of thing pls.

and its 0 on outpost outside of a multi bud set... pls read.

Oh no I don't think you understand: I did read all that. It wasn't a lot of reading, really.

But the only screenshot of trade history I saw was from Grillaz, not Avery. While it /does/ kinda suffice, he says it was also painted. With that in mind, I can't exactly consider the hat overall to be worth a key, like you say. Plus, I can't see Avery's proof anywhere, if you could kindly repost the supposed proof you have that'd be magnificent.

But in reality, those two links alone don't really add up to why 4 ref should be the new market value. Sure, you might've been the only one on the Outpost selling it, but the Outpost isn't the only trading website in existence. Now if you were the only one in 5000 miles selling this thing, accounting for all the websites and all the trade servers and etc., then that would be considerable. But don't be saying that apparently being the only one selling on one website is enough proof to throw the suggested market value of every Uncraft Handle on the face of the Earth into the acceptance bin.

tl;dr Your proof is bad and Grillaz's proof is okay, but together doesn't suffice to a price change of this magnitude.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11036769

im asking for a price of 4ref

It's just so dumb

How to be rich in three steps:

Step one: create an alt account or tell your friend.

Step two: make offer of 4 ref

Step three: create suggestion to backpack.tf

this is rude and untrue.

I wasn't going to post on this suggestion for a reason I forgot, but I'm not an alt account or his friend. I'm just collecting all the uncraftable Pyro hats.

1 FUCKING LINK?

Read the whole damn post..

in all fairness, this is a LOT to read for a dirty (hue hue) plunger... you can't really expect everyone to have to read every single comment to find the meaty points. maybe you could post a top comment with a summary of all the findings?

true. i almost hoping they shut this down soon. and its my post! but all this drama kinda show there is a problim with the price i think.

I meant post from the suggester -.-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11036769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/115885603

I see 3 trades ?

one is painted // one is set, so only 1 legit

And what if its painted ?? you aways can get rid of the pait

The one that is painted says this on description

"I do NOT sell the uncrafts in the window of trade post."

problem i have with this one is that it isnt 1:1 so the rise of almost 350% needs to be backed up by more than a single offer. thats why insane offers like that is called an outlier.

Am I the only one who finds this ironic?

'No Backpack.tf prices noobs.'

then makes a suggestion for a pricce change on backpack.tf...

like i said. im upset that backpack.tf has yet to fix this. it is a big problem and all noncraft collectors have lost most all faith in backpack.tf. i hope to fix it but look at this post.

to be blunt. anyone who offers backpack.tf prices for a rare noncraft is an idiot.

Have you even tried looking for these on other trading sites? Reddit, Sourceop, bazaar, tf2tp?

not reddit.

The thing with dealing with rare items is that the highest offer doesn't indicate the real price, because if the item has one offer of 2 ref and another of 2 keys and the 2-key buyer gets it, the best offer he can sell it for is 2 ref, which initially is the value of that item until someone else appears with a better offer.

Basically, the highest offer doesn't give you the rights to bump the price, moreso the second highest.

Also, you have two, sph@lt did this a while ago, where he got one offer of 4 ref and another of 2 keys, claiming it was th e"only one for sale on outpost" and tried to set the price to 2 keys, which isn't correct because he could at most sell these for 4 ref and 2 keys, giving a range ('twas uncraft Bloke's bucket hat)

It's funny since the price of bloke bucket is now at 2.5 keys. So I don't think I was that wrong.

Also, you can just refer to me as Asphalt if you want, or @sph@lt.

Yeah, it wasn't anything wrong but the price at that time wasn't as high as it was suggested, the price of this one is going to rise as well when the demand goes up. Still I have no reason to stop you from having your fortune, so good luck cashing out on that one :)

The fact that 1 week later an uncraftable bloke bucket sold for 2.5 keys pretty much proves that my price was more accurate then the previous price.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11420876 - New one on the market. Let's see what kind of offers this get! :D

He bought this one a few hours ago for 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11416220

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that guy who he bought it from wasn't really bothering to sell his items. Since he was also selling hats as 1.11 ref. He just wants to cash out I think and doesn't care about profit anymore. So yeah, I don't think we should really consider that trade.

i like how this suggester is commenting "you can get a key for it" on this trade.

but ill pay 4ref right now

C/O is now 6ref! what is wrong with you people!

Price-jacking at its most obvious

^Don't click link.

What's in it?

http://trade.tf/price/253/-1

if you look at this chart you'll see that these items have sold several times in a range of 1 - 1.66 refined

i know we're not supposed to use trade.tf for suggestion proof, but i'm pointing this out as a sort of counterproof to one guy holding 100% of the available items and trying to raise the price.

outpost makes it extremely difficult to find closed trades so the trade.tf chart is a useful reality check

you are right. but what came first? are they looking on backpack.tf for the price...yes. are they underselling...yes..should we fix it...yes.

when i click on the link it goes to outpost for the 6ref c/o....look at it!

which link? my point was look at the chart ( http://trade.tf/price/253/-1 ). you can see that sales were happening throughout the month of may and the max, and min all hovered inside 1 - 1.66 refined.

as far as the 6 ref trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11420876 ... the problem is when there's this few of an item for sale, this very suggestion plus your own offers on that trade are now effecting the price. Xintol is just riding along with your suggestion ;)

i'm staying neutral but totally fascinated - look at all those votes and comments - you'd think it was about keys :)

there are two kinds of prices on this item. the prices that are copyed from backpack.tf and the prices of the experts who know better. The gap is so big that backpack.tf must do somthing.

i sympathize with you, truly. clearly you know more about these rare items than most.

but the market decides the price, not the "experts" - otherwise lets have a cabal that decides all prices like the old tf2 spreadsheet.

this is way too big of a change to be based on one trade, one offer, where the offer is 1-1.44 ref different than your suggested price.

As I have said from time and time again, you guys are morons. lol

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11433777 LOL two adds in under 2 minutes for 1 ref XD

They wasted their time commenting, I was 2fast :3

I'm loving how, in an effort to manipulate and drive up prices, PinkSaber is offering 4 ref on each handy trade, even though he doesn't have 4 ref.

it comes and goes. i will pay 4ref for a few more.

I'd buy one for 4 ref and i OWN 4 REF

i have many people on frinds list that sell ref for paypal....you guys know how it works. these cheap shoots are just was of diverting the subject.

hmmm? was just helping

was at amazon about me not having 4ref this very second.

oh you responded to me lol

i do love you so much.

Too much contention on this suggestion, and votes are too heavily against. None of the provided hard trades have been for 4 ref, so evidence doesn't back it up well enough to oppose comunity vote.