Suggestion: Non-Craftable Hard Counter at 1 key

Price Suggestion

~35.33 ref

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636 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Wed, 05 Jun 13 15:19:25 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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jon i question you sometimes, please don't handle my suggestions since you can't comprehend a small market

SALE OF 1 KEY http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11113413

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/114998900 find some RECENT <1MONTH counter proof pl0x,5 on op-taking offers, upgrading,painted, unsuable stuff

if you're going to downvote -provide counter -proof do something, don't be an ignorant troll

The proof is in the pudding, and it looks like you didn't even have pudding in the first place.

I ate the puddings :P. Sowwy

"jon i question you sometimes"

Only the ignorant defy power. Battle him where he has none.

You could have just satisfied him with 5-5.33.

I respect you for this sir. Upvote from me.

much better than current range

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10735856 - lol'd at 1.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9618536 - almost did 4 ref

upvote

Only 1 proof?

Not good enough for a HUGE jump.

counter- proof?

it was all i could find

Excuse me, but I could make an alt-account and have my friend buy this, then trade it to me for 1 key to my alt-account, then post a suggestion like this! <---This is why 1 proof is never enough to make the price 3x as big as it is now! This is why you can't even call 1 link 'proof'. Don't ask for counterproof, if you don't have (enough) proof-probably no suggestion made it through with 1 link of proof!

so, hard counters are uncraftable in store again?

No, just 1 peice of proof is not enough

If you are asking if they're availible in the in-game and online TF2 store, than the answer is: yes. They cost 3.74€. And pretty much anything that you get from the store is uncraftable. Hope you got the answer you wanted. :)

try to buy it then. It must be craftable like other stuff after the update(not last one)

uh no anything you buy from the store is craftable(hats)

bro you are outdated for too much

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/November_29,_2012_Patch

Oh, sh*t, man, thanks. I really didn't notice this-I thought it was like before, since I never buy stuff from the TF2 shop and I never read the update specifics. Thanks, really and sorry for wrong information.

I know people with 20+ alts....so you are saying backpack.tf is no good at all? you gotta take into account that they are also not selling for less.

Way to big of a jump on price and not enough evidence.

care to find counter-proof?

Provide counter-proof? Please provide valid proof.

its the only one to sell in a long time. most likly due to the crazy outdated price on backpack.tf

excuse me it was less then 1 week ago

and it was a firm sale, i don't see your point, its completley valid

quantity<quality come back when you atleast get a couple of suggestions accepted

Lack of counter-evidence != Evidence

Well, the fellow here hid at 1.66 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10735915

While there should be some price increase, 1 case of proof for 1 key is not enough in my opinion. I feel like this was a one time event, not the norm.

I deal only with noncraft hats. this is the norm. every now and then some guy gets ripped off real bad because he trust backpack.tf and we want to fix that.

Let rise price for whole economy with 1 proof

There's 5 on outpost,

Care to provide counter proof

Whole economy? I don't think a rare item with only like 800 in existence would

Effect currency.

yeah...of those 800 many are missing in old accounts...lost to trading. all the old noncrafts are like that. compare the block bucket to the snipers shanko. the new hat is not lost while the bucket is "lost" and the price reflects percapita the amount.

yep, I checked some item searches sites, and most of the owners, retired from trading, hasn't been online in forever, doesn't use outpost, or they aren't sellimg it

"please don't handle my suggestions since you can't comprehend a small market"

"you can't comprehend" was all I read.

your point??

...really? no. just no.

Thanks for un needed spam

I see no

Counter proof

And you are not even trying to prove anything

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10735856 - offer of 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10735915 - offer of 3 ref

range is too high. should be 3-4 ref...

those are rejected offers..

sales>rejected offers

thanks for the extra proof. btw I'd buy one for 4 ref instantly

i added a rec and was rejected. 4.33 was turned down 2 times. look like a key is about right. still low IMO

hmm 2 trades, good proof, you must have spent a lot of time on this for a doubling price suggestion

very unclear what do you mean?

2 proof on this item IS a lot. not many of then and less on the market.

i think he's just one of the people who are like

"omg 3 proofz downvotez i ned moar"

<and there's 5 on outpost and 3/5 of them are not usable

If you want sufficient proof for this big of change you need to refresh every few minutes, most of the trades that actually happen are removed after the sell, put up a trade where you are buying.

See what offers you get.

you have no idea how many times a day i look. 100s. but i cant prove it. there are VERY few rare noncrafts getting traded. and the price is exactly that of backpack.tf or 5-10 times higher. The gap (not range but gap) is huge and indicates a problem. people who trust backpackt.tf should not get ripped like this.

The raw amount of burn in that first sentence.

[insert]"apply cold water to burning area" meme[/insert]

We noncraft guys should get a new backpack.tf badge for all this work. fixing stupid is difficult.

not really "stupid"

but a lot of the uncraft prices, are out of date. and noobs are getting sharked because they don't know the "price" of the item, not realizing they can get ALOT more.

also: I don't collect uncraft hats, the prices are just very low XD

You are one of the very few non noncraft collectors to put 2 and 2 together. We are so few that if we post a price change every one says we are trying to make our BP worth more. you are good person and smart.

need more proof

like are you like out of your mind like right now.

cuz like there's like no proof like, so like yeah, like don't comment like if you like don't like know like what you like are talking like about

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/like?s=t I think you need this link

downvote. is it worth changing even if it only has 1 trade?

ok 1 accepted suggestion kid

you obviously know what you are doing

are you saying that im not allowed to vote based on the fact i only have 1 accepted suggestion? I was simply asking a question too. Why do you attack those who downvote you? Do you think they have something against you? They dont, unless you act like an aggressive idiot. Y can't you just learn from what people are telling you instead of snapping at them? Are you catching what im throwing 'kid'?

Lol, I'm catching what you are throwing at me but i will just ignore you for now, because you don't know. its worth it because nubs like you won't get sharked

although true for pretty much every other item. who is going to get sharked out of this item if there is only one in circulation in the market?

People who bought one before

November sell

It off

For cheap because of backpack.tf

1 sale doesnt equal a huge price jump

The link has no proof of sales

Downvote for now. I understand these are rather rare, but you need to prove many of these are selling for 1 key to change the price.

he was buying for 1 key, then he bought it

how is that not valid.

You hid a person who posted on the trade saying you could get it cheaper at a certain person.

where to get cheaper

show me i will buy instantly

Upvote, 5 links, but only 4 sellers since 2 links are same person

So out of those 4 people 1 is swapping, 2 got no recent good offers and there's this guy:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10735856 - Offer of 4.66 ref (still untaken)

And there are also 0 people looking to buy these so I'd say 1 key is perfectly fine

And to all people who claim proof isn't enough, when you can't provide not even a single link of counter-proof even 1 link is enough

This is well said. I would like to add the if you dont know about the rare noncraft market then take the time to learn. try to buy one for as cheap as you can. you will be surprised how hard these are to find and buy.

With a recent supporting offer of 4.33 ref, it doesn't look like the provided sale was the case of an outlier. A more conservative range may have been better, but in the meantime, this price is clearly better than former.

Accepting.