Suggestion: The Last Breath at 1.55–1.75 keys

Generally speaking if the price is over 5.33 (unless it's a little bit over) it's better to just price it in keys, if you are changing the price of something which is in refs try to make it a well rounded number (normally to a rec)

Thank you for the advices, will consider it in my future suggestions :)

Much better ;)

1.55 is kinda weird but you got good proof ;P

Your PROOF with my observations (also please notice how all of these HAVE CRAFT #, PEOPLE ARE PICKY WITH THEM)

Selling for 9 ref - 1 key 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11552972 Quicksale, sold it hours late, and with 1 bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11552249 the ad is NOT being bumped (12 views)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11551218 ad is not bumping (JUST 14 VIEWS)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11550159 quicksale, sold in less than a day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11537246 Closed the ad in less than a day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11532185 Closed the ad in less than a day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11517185 Sold in less than a day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11512857

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11510439 This guy is a quickbuyer/ quickseller look (check this : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11346255 bought it at 1 key 1 ref moments ago, and now selling it at 1 key 4 refs )

I can go on with this...

Downvoted

Also from ALL the proof of "Selling", JUST these 2 are clean (no craft #'s) Last Breaths:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11551239 Sold in 2 hours with just 19 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11527115 Sold almost instantly with 24 views.

With this I try to say that buyers are picky with CRAFT #,that's why they go for cheap so your proof is not enough... Downvote

Not everyone is that picky, having a craft no is still considered clean by many, it's because people think they can fetch a higher price is why it was bought quickly, much like special levels.

and your links

(invalid counter) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11552972 <-- didnt sell still in bp and was willing to sell in op's suggested

(More like proof)[/b] http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11550159 <-- sold in suggested range

(More like proof) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11532185 <-- closed ad but was sold in suggested range

(More like proof) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11517185 <-- closed ad but was sold in suggested range

(invalid counter) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11512857 <-- this doesnt make sense he isnt using the quick buyer trade in his proof, the guy is selling in his suggested range, bought below current doesnt mean anything

(invalid counter) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11510439 <-- again doesnt matter is quick buyer or not still selling at op's higher range

(invalid counter) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11551239<-- lower that the suggested range (quicksell)

(invalid counter) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11527115<-- lower that the suggested range (quicksell)

these were made under the assumption that keys are ~ 5.33 refs. And it's pretty clear from the comments on this suggestion that 1.8 keys is a very very hard sale, and your counter proofs are pretty weak as well.

and you kinda ignored op's other walls of proof and knitpicked at the more finer somewhat redundant proofs. It's obious that it is getting sold at lower prices, face the facts xD

Instead of knitpicking at things wich in the case actually provides more proof try finding some proper counter proofs (ie, 1.8keys sold regularly and any lower is a quick sale) if you can

so you are saying I need to find proof of 1.8 keys to deny your weak proof?

Your proof is weak, is full of quicksales and shows only tendency of last breaths WITH craft #, face it. All things being sold hours after being publish is considered QUICKSALES. Craft #'s are like gifted, they worth less and that's a fact, about 95% of your proof have craft #'s, is like I'm going to suggest buds have to worth 18 keys because that is what gifted buds are selling...

Organize your proof, try to find more non-craft # that are not sold after minutes ofe being post.....

It's not even his suggestion and you still don't have 1.8 keys proof. Mind you, 1.75 keys is 1 key 4 ref. Oh and gifted/non-gifted is not the same as crafted/non-crafted. Another thing, in the trade window, the craft number doesn't even appear.

I will like to hear a mod's opinión of this I'm pretty sure you can't use craft # or gifted ítems to drop a Price, just like you can't use special levels or "crafted by a celebrity" in order to raise prices..

Even if you don't use the craft # to price the item, 1 key 4 ref is still in the range.

He isnt using gifted items, and craft nos are considered clean

You are a funny man.

"Another thing, in the trade window, the craft number doesn't even appear"

Too bad we are talking about outpost ads, where craft #'s are more than visible....

Nice trades Hugh Jazz Man...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494370

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11237674

sigh he is selling them BELOW the market price...learn to read.

If you didnt know Hugh is pretty well known and respected around these parts as an honest trader.

and your argument doesnt even make sense! why would he want to lower something he is trying to sell dumbass

1) learn to read

2) weak proof? there are walls of people selling LOWER that 1.8 keys

3) many successful already, if you can actually find success at 1.8 keys you tell me :)

4) Gifted/uncraftable is considered dirty, craft nos are not. //invalid argument

Ok you say craft # doesn't matters, do you know that #1 - #10 craft numbers of 1.33 ref hats are sold in keys or even BUDS? Do you think that if I gather 20+ links of low craft # selling in buds it will be a good proof? According to your logic, YES

Special craft #'s never count because it is widely known that they have a different price than regular. Random craft #'s do count the same as no-crafts on this site because they are functionally the same - they are craftable. I see your point that some people value no-crafts more, but most people just ignore it. If we only used no-crafts to price hats, there would be literally no proof for any price changes. It seems like no-crafts should have a special price rather than craft #'s because they are more rare.

Your argument doesn't make sense anyway because the no-craft sellers were selling it lower than 1.8 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11527115 1.4 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11551239 1.5 keys

Gifted are as well craftable and they worth less, not only said by me ...

I already told those 2 links are QUICKSALES here's the backpack of the "active" not bumped ad http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/362463 doesn't have the last breath anymore so it was sold at most 18 hours after posting it....

If this proof would have 50%- 50% with craft # - non-craft # it will be fair, but it's 95% craft # - 5% non-craft # ( and over the fact that it's just 5%, they are quicksales)

2 quickselling links doesn't show market behavior...

In the first 5 pages of Outpost:

48 had non-special craft #'s (75%)

16 were dropped (no-craft) (25%)

I don't think price suggestions should be based off of 25% of the market.

Bro you are knit picking into things way to much. I shall attempt to explain.

1) craft # are considered clean

2) gifted and uncraftable are dirty

3) craft numbers under 100 are worth more

4) special craft numbers eg 666 are worth more cus it's collectors

5) all your counter proof is invalid as many many people are selling lower that the current price, if you think 1.8 keys is still the norm please get with the times just take a look at classifieds

Agree alot with this since my suggestion on 1.8keys all of the sellers dropped their price below that so its an upvote from me.

Definitely agree. I got two unsold at 1 key 3 ref for two days.

For future suggestions, it will be helpful to define your key ranges.

Something like this:

1.55 keys~1 key+3 ref

1.75 keys~1 key+4 ref

Also I think 1.5 keys as a low-end would have been better since you have some sellers at that price, too.

Thank you for the advice, i'm gonna use it in the next suggestion.

Good enough, it deff need a down price atm.

Downvote. Sold one for 1 key and 4 ref yesterday. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11490975/edit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11490975 Fixed link.

1 Key + 4 Ref is 1.75 Keys..........

1.5 is a bad range is what I am getting at.

Ah okay, I just thought you argued that the price you sold for was above what the suggestions high range is. All is well my friend.

The 1.5 key links are in the main proof. How is it bad?

1.75 keys is still the upper range.

Weird range, good proof. Maybe someone will repost it with it fixed, but the proof is good

upvote, but thats a weird range

Strange range is strange, but an upvote all the same.

So hard to sell one of these, but this price range is probably correct

The low end probably should have been 1.5, so it would be 1.5-1.75 keys. Cleaner.

your link 4 sold for 1 key + 4 ref -- 1.8 keys.

1.55 keys is a bit of a weird range.

1.55 keys = 1 key+3 ref

1.75 keys = 1 key+4 ref

That's exactily why i've done this range

your link 8 also sold for 1 key + 4 ref -- 1.75 keys.

1.55 keys seems a bit low.

Do you see the 1.55 key links up there? Even lower than that too.

hmm, yeah i guess

Your 30+ links of selling last breaths have craft #, you can't use craft # or gifted ítems to drop a Price, just like you can't use special levels , "crafted by a celebrity" NOR EVEN low craft #'s in order to raise prices.. Downvoted

well how many times can you downvote? and what bout all this bold? Chill down dude, it's a suggestion not a war.. You have counterproofs? Just write them down and that's all.. Also if you consider #numbers as dirty it's your opinion.

Anyway:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11567793

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11567718

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11570779

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11568341

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11574369

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11565068

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11572993

But they're lowering the prices... #logic