Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 5.44–5.55 ref

If you want to show that they are still in abundance @ 5.33, I welcome you to post a link, and watch as you peers buy them out. Do not post a link if they are sold out within a few minutes like above, have 0 in stock, and try not to post your trade history being a tuff guy saying I bought 10 @ 5.33, post the trade you bought them from, to let us know you the seller didn't sell out in a few minutes.

No need to pick apart what I say either, and if you are going to be "that guy" omg this time of the week again lol rofl, simply don't vote and keep it to yourself.

My keys are not for sale also, i use them for unusual trading not buying and selling one by one.

Feedback Appreciated

Could you give keys a break? its been 6 days since last suggestion.

Nha, leave the prices go to the sky. I just bough keys by paypal now, anything above 3 Ref is an unfair price.

i'm not gay but 6 days are 6 days

you are not gay, you are an faget

I love you so much. But you screwed up slightly.

"Yu r an fagit" I think is the right way to say it, according to Spodermen.

it is a long story :P it is in the forums mainly

*ahem ur a faget*

*an

...take grammer class again.

and people didn't understand my inside joke

When is spoderman funny?

We should probably, you know, stay on topic.

inb4massivewarnbomb

That's what I'm thinking. Been warned too many times.

Oh yeah, these things' prices are taking a beating, cant we lay off for a while?

v We could "lay off for a while" if people stopped buying and selling keys for metal. :L

Why are you not warned yet?

Could you get some arguments why accurate prices shouldn't been reported here?

"If you want to show that they are still in abundance @ 5.33, I welcome you to post a link, and watch as you peers buy them out. Do not post a link if they are sold out within a few minutes like above, have 0 in stock, and try not to post your trade history being a tuff guy saying I bought 10 @ 5.33, post the trade you bought them from, to let us know you the seller didn't sell out in a few minutes."

The problem with this is that keys will sell out within minutes at any price. Keys are always in high demand and sell fast because so many traders need them in so many transactions. It's not necessarily about the time that they sell in, but more about how many traders feel like 5.33 refined is still a reasonable price to sell a key at.

"The problem with this is that keys will sell out within minutes at any price."

Completely, provably, ridiculously false. You are claiming price does not affect time-to-sell?!?! How could anyone believe this?

Keys sell out in minutes if they are priced below market. List a batch of keys @ 7 ref, and let us know how many "minutes" (or weeks) they take to sell.

Or, list a key at 5.44 and another at 5.77. The cheap one is gone in 10 seconds. The expensive one is not. The difference is because one is priced below market and one is not.

By that logic, 5.44 refined shouldn't be in the range either. Even 5.55 keys sell in seconds lately, because that's market price. The reason the more expensive key, 5.66+, takes longer to sell is because that's not current market price.

5.44 shouldn't be in the range. And, if keys were listed like every other item on bp.tf, 5.55 shouldn't be in the range either. Market price is 5.66. 5.55 is quicksell price.

But seeing as we have a moderator banning people [ http://backpack.tf/u/76561198059152122 ] for making accurate suggestions, halfway measures like this suggestion will have to do.

Alright im going to end this before it starts and not reply to whatever self glorifying thing you are going to say while insullting and picking apart my words, I indicated no stress or anger just the fact you are arguing over key prices is a bit.... anyways what ever you say to insult me and make fun of me im just going to bottle up my "pure blind rage" while you take a game quite seriously and type friovoulsly at your keyboard and while you continue your discussion.

If you feel like such a big man just submit your own suggestion, oh wait your last one failed terribly, and care all you want, then you will know how everyone like you has their own opinion and suggesters just have to sit back and take the same crap about complaining about key prices. Have a good one and keep on spamming your idealistic "you are always right stuff" on all key suggestions. To dumb it down for you im not going to reply to your crappy arguement you type after this because im bleeding so hard out of my mouth and well your right my arms are ripped off... im going to go the hospital

"Do you have anything to add to the discussion at all? Apart from "no one cares" while you flip your keyboard so hard it explodes? Hey man, keep not caring! ^_^

I love posts like this, telling me I'm taking things too seriously, while they rip the arms off their chairs and bleed profusely from the mouth and nose in a fit of pure blind rage. "

^^This fact based argument pfft get over yourself

And did I say i didn't take keys prices seriously? Nope why would I make a suggestion just listen to yourself.

> If you feel like such a big man just submit your own suggestion, oh wait your last one failed terribly,

My last suggestion was approved. In fact, all of them were except for one that I closed myself when tf2finance prices shifted and no longer supported it. My record is impeccable.

> while you take a game quite seriously

I'm presenting fact-based arguments concerning key prices. There's a place for people who don't care about key prices, it's called anywhere else on the internet. Check it out! Why are you still here, flipping out at me?

Stay on topic, etc.

Exactly what happens all the time. Keys will always be fast and easy to buy (unless it is over the market price, in which only VERY desperate people will buy over the current price). Currency is something in which it SHOULD be sold out in a couple mins, not sit there for over a couple hours trying to sell 3 keys.

AGREE! people buy it for 5.66-6 ref on trade servers

highest i've found was 5.55

No one buys keys for 5.66-6 ref, not even on outpost. I have seen many people sell and buy at 5.33 ref, so ill downvote since 5.33 should still be in the range.

LOL seller for 5.33ref? GIVE ME PLEASEE !

i bought 20 keys and instant sold all for 6 ref .

pics or nothing happened... Haven't you learned anything about coming with ''counter proof?''

I didnt counter proof ....

You people are what causing the Key prices to go up.

Agreed.

Woah....6 ref? Unless you show pics, I will consider that over exaggeration. The most I've seen someone paying for a key on a trade server was 5.77 ref.

Keys seem ta be slowin down finally. Yo ass have ample proof of buyers at 5.44, enough ta remove 5.33 from tha range up in mah opinion. By tha time dis suggestion be accepted, it is ghon be over one week since tha last key suggestion which follows up tha rule. I refuse ta vote on a suggestion fo' a cold-ass lil currency though. Botz done been holla'd not ta count as proof before though since playas pay fo' convenience, so keep dat up in mind.

Dammit TF2 economy.

You're worse than the actual economy.

If it is that bad why are you still trading then?

You took that rather seriously.

I stated the economy is bad. That doesn't mean I don't like to trade.

Yeah, but you only trade BECAUSE of the economy. If items wouldn't have had a price I'm pretty sure 95% of the people would never trade.

People don't lose homes and have their lives ruined (everything lost) and die (starvation or from inability to receive medical care etc) in this virtual game mann conomy

How is it worse?

I was obviously talking about the ridiculous inflation rates.

I Guess it's that time of the week again.

Just sold a key to a buyer today at 5.33

Wow really? i would buy all your keys for 5.55ref

I dont think that works in this case...

5.33 is still possible on some servers...

But of course people only use outpost as "proof"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12089436 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12088856 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12088768 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12088357 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12087321 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12087077 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12086463 (5.33)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9573115 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12084955 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12084878 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12084447 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12083528 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12083014 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12082815 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12082675 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12082079 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12082039 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12082024 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12081843 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12081317 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12080112 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12079601 (5.33)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9572369 (5.33)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9572367 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12078236 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12078188 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12077318 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12076859 (5.33)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9572190 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12072191 (5.33)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9571828 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12072026 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12071538 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12068652 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12068115 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12068082 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12067999 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12067596 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12066002 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12065848 (5.33)

http://bazaar.tf/trade/274907 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12063164 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12063013 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12064407 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12060922 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12060852 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12060483 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12060466 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12059578 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12058859 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12058292 (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12085097 (5)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12084921 (5)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9571299 (4.66)

What now?

All of those sold out with in the hour and most of them are not bumped you have just showed that 5.33 is a quicksell price. Thanks for more proof

>Quicksell. If it's a quicksell, then why is it a natural occurrence? If it were a quicksell price, shouldn't there be barely any?

Yeah. Yes they sell very quickly, but when you have a very large amount of people selling for 5.33, even if it is quick-sell, that price should be in the range. It is still possible, easy even, to find keys for that price.

I admit to seeing if I could get 6 ref out of a key (What everybody seems to think they'll wind up as anyway, why not try?). Everyone on the server called me a shark.

Clearly such a volume of sales below Badger's range could only be quicksells. No other explanation.

eugh, here we go again.... If just nobody suggested a new price, people wouldn't try to sell it for higher than 5.66 and have succes. Do you know how I know? LOGICS EVERYBODY, LOGICS

I don't know, but Owns: 77 doesn't really help your case. Besides, keys need a bit of a break.

Please don't hate me, but didn't keys just recently go up in price why do you want to raise them more and not to be an ass or anything but doesn't the fact that you have 77 keys seen a bit suspicious. Why cant everyone just leave the price of keys alone for a little while?

I was thinking about to do it. But i always see some 5.33 sellers. And its only a scrap change. Kinda Wrong/ Unnecessary. Downvote.

i every day buying keys for 5-5.33 on tf2 trading servers. I buy on this week 3 keys for 5 ref and 10 keys for 5.33

you could catogorize the proof, put the 5.44 buyer together, the 5.55 buyers together and stuff, makes it much easier to look through.

buying =/= bought

selling =/= sold

who buys keys with metal these days anyway? Most people will use real-world money or hats if they want keys

he got huge amount of proof

umm.... He jut showed that people are willing to pay more for a key than 5.33 so even if they haven't bought it still means people will pay more and warrents a price shange. buying=/= bought is meaningless in this event.

/\ This, only this!

yeah but how do they get those hats?

Yep here we go again.

Going to stay neutral, as always.

Edit: Yes, downvote my comment I love it :D

is there proof of unsuccessful buyers at 5.33?

The point of this is to show that the community is willing to pay more then 5.33 for their keys, yet never the less you shall have you links this evening

That's why there's the range of 5.33-5.55

They'll pay higher, yes. But that doesn't mean folks aren't still buying and selling at 5.33

it's easy buying at 5.33 or even 5 refs, seems that these guys that post suggestions about keys live in another world or something

The problem with the 5 ref keys are that they are never in stock.

The problem is they sell fast so they all just get filed under "quicksell" and basically no longer count as legitimate. Which makes me want to facepalm.

You need unsuccessful buyers at 5.33. All you have is buyers at 5.44

The point of this is to show that the community is willing to pay more then 5.33 for their keys, yet never the less you shall have you links this evening

Buyers always show whats under the low end. People buy a lot of things for 1 key under but arent listed in the price because thats quicksell and not a sellers price

Bad proof.You are going wrong way,you should try to find unsuccessfull buyers @ 5.33,this proof proves nothing

The point of this is to show that the community is willing to pay more then 5.33 for their keys, yet never the less you shall have you links this evening

What kind of tortured dreamlogic is this? A 5.55 buy trade is proof of unsuccessful buys at 5.33. The person is offering that amount for a reason.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8799185

So things like this don't matter in this case? Or what.

I dare you to try to base a suggestion on that

You have to show if there ppl buying keys at 5.33 ref are unsuccesful, like they are not getting any buys, I have seen in many trade servers they get buys at 5.33 ref.

Most of you are not understanding the concept that this suggestion is based on the grounds that the community is willing to pay more then 5.33 refined for there keys. Give me sometime because im playing saxton hale and you shall have you links within the evening.

You need proof not ppl selling keys at 5.33 ref, since they get sell quickly, you need proof ppl paying 5.33 ref per key dont get sells.

What do you think im going to do....

Plenty 5.44 and above buyers, 5.33 sales indeed get quickly snatched away.

Upload

http://imgur.com/30j4rqe Didn't have problem to find keys for 5.33

I think 5.33 should still be in the range because I bought a key for that and you can still find people selling for that.

why did cleverpun close mine but not this?

your range was a bit drastic. this is more resonable. he also has more proof. still isnt enough though

downvote, I traded for 5.33 ref today

That makes your suggestion rather hypocritical then

Proof please

I have bought and sold over 30 keys in the last week at 5.33 a piece. Yes, I sell them at 5.33 if I need money. Posting a bunch of Outpost links does not prove that 5.33 isn't a reasonable price any more. I would never use Outpost for keys as it's always faster to go to a trade server where you can reliably find people to both buy and sell at 5.33.

I have been offered 5.44 for keys, so people will pay that. However, I have actually sold them at 5.33, because that's a fair price. You keep responding to comments saying that this is to prove that people will pay 5.44, but you fail to disprove that people will sell for 5.33. That's the point of the range, people are willing to pay 5.55 and willing to sell for 5.33. That's why so many keys change hands so quickly.

"in the last week" So what? The previous accepted suggestion is barely that old. A week is a long time.

How about in the last day?

"I have been offered 5.44 for keys" you've been offered 5.55 just like everyone else. Did you miss the numerous 5.55 buy trades in the OP? Newsflash, 5.55 is now the quicksell price for keys.

You are wrong, plain and simple. This morning I was on a trade server where several people were offering keys for 5.33 and left without having sold them. The server had between 29 and 31 people on it the entire time they were advertising. 5.55 isn't the quicksell price, 5.55 is the quickbuy price. That's why there's a range. 5.11 is the price I saw yesterday for quicksell when somebody needed metal fast to complete another trade.

I have a quick way to test this. You can buy all the keys I am able to produce in the next 48 hours for 5.55 a piece. If you are correct, I will not be able to find keys any cheaper and will break even by buying them and selling them to you while you turn a profit selling them. If I am correct I will easily find keys for 5.33 and will turn a hefty profit for very little effort while you struggle to sell them off for 5.55. Let me know if you're up to the challenge. My guess would be no.

> keys unsold at 5.33 on trade servers

I don't believe you. Out of 30 people, not one knew they could instantly flip those keys for profit?

> 5.55 is the quickbuy price.

Show me where I can "quickbuy" more than 3 keys at 5.55.

> You can buy all the keys I am able to produce in the next 48 hours for 5.55 a piece.

You are 100% on. I can buy at least a hundred keys from you on a couple hours' notice.

> If you are correct, I will not be able to find keys any cheaper

Having 5.44+ as a range doesn't mean it's impossible to buy keys for less. It means that the cheaper ones are non-representative outliers. I will flip in one hour the keys it took you 48 hours to collect.

btw I see you have 4 keys I'll take those off your hands right now. Added.

What server? Apparently I should hang out there instead of sniping outpost

tick tock! I notice you've acquired zero keys. You also haven't sold me the four you started with.

Looks like I win this challenge of yours. Don't forget to reverse your vote, and write a few comments here telling people what you've learned.

Give the people what they want, organized and showed unsuccessful

Buying 5.33 - At time of posting all unsuccessful

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11539551

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12051696

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12038822

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12002845

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12049703

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11934582

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11540112

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11933879

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12039022

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12053039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11960882

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12055712

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11786892

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12033165

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11682783

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11901035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11879985

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11750591

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11464419

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12069311

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11934582

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11929819

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12064047

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11912378

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11208931

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11066663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12061805

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11980886

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11937646

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11213274

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Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11938309

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12069906

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12028759

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12039807

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12065881

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12014555

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11601619

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10570046

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11974360

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11978551

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11892121

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12063477

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12039025

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12066326

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11995168

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494475

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12066417

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10196525

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12038862

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11683966

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12056453

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11871802

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12065881

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12066775

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12036040

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12058571

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12020132

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11624755

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11634260

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12054566

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12063535

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12006511

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11786821

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851967

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11652702

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11501162

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11936010

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12066143

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11553244

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11990569

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11970374

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11710189

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12063477

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11971885

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12056517

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12046732

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11798019

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11487488

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12060472

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12067559

Buying 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12051622

BOT buying @ 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851316

BOT buying @ 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12031921

BOT buying @ 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11531015

BOT buying @ 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11699011

BOT buying @ 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851316

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Buying 5.44 + 1 wep http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12066597

Buying 5.44 + 1 wep http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11950627

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11 refined for 2 keys http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12043719

11 refined for two http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11950017

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12067152

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12062681

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11993216

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12054395

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12035491

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12059544

Buying 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12019147

BOT buying @ 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11076954

BOT buying @ 5.55http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11275221

BOT buying @ 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10895045

BOT buying @ 5.55 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606

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Buying 5.66 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12045778

Buying 5.66 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11656671

Buying 5.66 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12067406

My 5.33 trade, as already said is succesful, just beacuse people don't say added dosen't mean that the trade isn't happening

This is the reason why half this "good proof" goes through. Too bad OP doesn't care and just wants his backpack to go up in price.

I have around 89 trades on oupost. I'm pretty sure out of all of those only 5 of them got something along the lines of "Added" in the comments. Totally agree. You have to check the backpacks people.

Upvote. Bought 11 keys so far at 5.88 with the current range since posting the trade. Whether you believe me or not is up to you

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11666197

No need to comment about you being scammed,you know..

hmm? What now?

Well,That's not our fault if you buy keys higher than usual. I doubt a lot of people does that,duh..

Wow I was dumb meant selling. See my screenie. Sorry for the confusion ><

http://imgur.com/fohcmtO

Screenie of Selling 4 keys at 5.88 each

selling keys at 5.55-5.66 ref are pretty easy. i wasnt even aware the price was still 5.33-5.55.

i even sold at 6.5 ref kinda

http://i.imgur.com/1rfrW3N.png

anyway upvote

Let's post unnecessary spam that will get you warned!

Im waiting for clever :)

Do you see anyone buying a single key for 10 buds? no

Do you see a myriad of people buying keys for 5.44, 5.55, and occasionally 5.66 refined? yes

That's why he suggested 5.44-5.55 refined instead of 10 buds. If you'd like to be the first to pay 10 buds for a single key, then by all means: be my guest.

Even though it was bad attempt, i believe he was joking. To things like that i believe it's best, turning the other cheek and not even bother replying.

Comments on suggestions, especially those dealing with serious currency suggestions, should remain on-topic and refrain from satirical exaggerations where they are unnecessary.

Good proof, upvote. I'm personally a little surprised 5.66 isn't in the range yet, I've bought key for that price a while ago (oops).

Theres No proof of 5.77 so what was the point of adding it also theres weak proof of 5.66 too

Unless you were replying to Heavy Lord,

5.66 and 5.77 aren't even in this suggestion's range.

The reason why the price is so high is because people are paying the prices, hardly anyone is selling to the 5.33 buyers, there are tons of 5.44 buyers and increasing numbers in 5.55 buyers and when the hell has a Black bills became cancer items because no one pays an extra key for the paint... they cost 9 keys... people are paying this much because they love trading just take a look above.

Who the hell actually buys bills anymore lol. people bought them and paint to try to make a key profit, but no one bought them, so they got stuck with useless currency that no one wants.

Here's an idea: Let's just stop voting on them! Stay neutral. Don't look through all his proof or look for any counter-proof. U mad about the price? Don't vote! U don't want a bad rep for voting wrong? Just say no to voting. You want to give keys a break because it's only been six days? Then give them a break and keep that question mark pressed in.

It's up to the mods, anyway. Last few suggestions got >50% score, and they were accepted. So who cares?

If it's "up to the mods", doesn't this make it exactly like spreadsheet?

Except spreadsheet didn't need to provide evidence for their changes. All changes are amply supported especially when it comes to those involving currency. You expect people to upvote the idea of keys raising even though it may appear appropriate? Its like asking Republicans to raise taxes because the nation is in debt (relevant only to the United States). It may be an appropriate measure, but they're going to vote no regardless.

And its like asking democrats to lower the budget because the nation is in debt (relevant only to the United States). It may be an appropriate measure, but they're going to vote no regardless.

The problem with that: the mods will accept it anyway cause they secretly want their BP's to go up in value too.

Ding ding ding! Why is it that a 45% score on keys gets accepted? and why is it that when I make a suggestion that gets a 70% score, it's closed?

It's a conspiracy, man....

Mhm. http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2074/fmwo.png

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5126/bb8x.png

Kinda reminds me of: http://i.imgur.com/l9d7r4i.png

Prime material right here.

inb4 mods hide this cos truth hurts like a b****

And it's a damn shame too, all the mods here are corrupt.

Fuck it, I'm starting my own spreadsheet.

Go right ahead. I'll be happy to use it. Be sure to list keys at 2.33 refined and never change it because anything higher is corruption and we'd rather have new traders get ripped off rather than corruption.

Seems you were banned and your post warned before I could respond; nevertheless, I shall.

Your "reasonable price" for keys would lead to a multitude of new traders being ripped off. We are an economic atmosphere in which there are hundreds of people eagerly willing to buy keys for 5.33 refined or more. To state that keys being listed at 2.33 refined would be a reasonable price is absurd. That means that these new trades are underselling their keys for more than 100% their value which would be the true rip off. If you want to make your own spreadsheet to encourage this, then go ahead, but realize you're leaving newer traders more vulnerable than ever before. More than you believe the evil backpack.tf is making them.

73 of the keys in my pack do not belong to me. Stop spamming comments.

And you might want to use your main account instead of hiding behind an alt; alt abuse is against the site rules

I was talking to kirbeh, hence why my comment replied to kirbeh, and why kirbeh received a notification for my response.

Don't insult other users

Your comment line was attached to me.

Don't try to cover up your mistake.

The comment is responding to Kirbeh, unless you don't know how reply comment works. Don't think you know better than everyone else when you don't.

What value do they gain? They don't gain any usd keys are still the same price in $$ on paypal

And if i want to gain more bp value being against key increases is the way to go. Exploit new traders to sell for less then they can actually get.

Up vote. Market value has moved up a ton recently, so much so that I considered making a suggestion myself for a similar range (I didn't because of the amount of work and hate involved XD) however like it or not people, rising key prices are here to stay, so either chose to profit or chose to sit around and whine and complain that other people are.

banks are paying 5.44 a key upvote ya its that simple,, add edit>> wich is a huge change and recent by the way, mojor shift.... IS iTtHe MoON

Proof seems decent, upvote.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11963365 - Buying for 6 ref..

If there are certainly buyers at the stated aforementioned price, the price documentation requires a bump if it is too low. Sellers never will go below a buyer's offer. Upvoting but with irritation of higher key prices.

The day that this stops is going to be when you can buy them cheaper on (A) The Steam Market or (B) The TF2 In Game Store.

Let's hope we never have to do that though.

Could this lead to a Great Financial Crisis for the TF2 economy?

Up to the mods. [url]http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2074/fmwo.png[/url]

[url]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5126/bb8x.png[/url]

Kinda reminds me of: [url]http://i.imgur.com/l9d7r4i.png[/url]

Prime material right here.

5.55 ref has been easy selling for 3+ weeks (so much so that my bots price is now 5.66, supply could not meet demand), 5.33 ref trades are gone in under a minute, 5.44 ref almost as quick. 5.66ref is a fairly easy sale.

Suggested price is about right.

B-B-B-B-B-B-Bump up, the price!

Upvote, because we have no say in it either way.

Though I've seen some sell at 5.33 in trade servers and 5.44 sellers failing.

Yeah, may as well upvote for the free rep, sadly.

Somepeople buy keys buy it for metal

Somepeople buy keys for money and sell it for metal

This guys sell it for 5.66 and then everybody sell it for the same price

The people who buy keys for metal dont have other option, they have to accept the price to buy the keys, and the trade is done (even if is unfair).

After that someone publish a suggestion here to upgrade the price

The price suggestion is accepted for all the people who buy keys for money

The price is changed

Now keys cost 5.66, the next day people who buy keys for money sell the keys for 5.77 and they reapet all the process. Its a vicious cycle,The persons who buy keys for metal will be existing forever and the people who buy it for money. Eventually the keys will reach a ridiculous price, and then nobody will buy it (for metal) and then the price will get a downgrade.

It'll go up week by week. Because people make these just for rep and raffle tickets, we have things like this: [url]http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4960/41w.png[/url]

- i'm princess fairy heavy, make wish

- i want key price back to 3 ref !!

- NOPE

- :(

Have you tried actually selling some keys for 3 refined? That's a better first step to take than asking a fairy to grant you a wish. You can't simply expect or hope keys return to 3 refined unless you actually have people selling for that amount. If you're not going to lead the charge, then don't expect others to follow.

i was just laughing :P

i'm not against the key price rising

the proof are good and i'm using this range for selling my key

upvote

thats actually a good idea, but a couple of people wont do

And 5 ref pure is still possible,since 3 months now.

Also, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11550684 .

5.22-5.55 ref

You know whats sad? I actually liked trading but now each time the prices of keys go up I end up hating it more. People who just joined tf2 probably could get one key in about 2-3 weeks of just pure trading. And then you have people who just keep rising it and rising so they make more profit and in the end they just screw up the economy. They are ruining the thing that makes team fortress two more special then a lot of other games. So please Vale, if your out there, tf2 needs some fixing, thank you.

- ME

1. Your comment's gonna get hidden cos it's against the mods/site.

2. It's bp.tf, baby! Where prices are used as bibles and only the rich benefit off it.

The rich would 'benefit' off it more if backpack.tf didn't update the price. If keys currently have a low-end of 5.33 refined and you already have 5.66 refined buyers popping up does that seem right to you? Some individual wishes to sell a key for current market value it'll be snatched up before he can accept the 3rd friend request. You want to know why it sells that fast? Its because people are openly willing to buy for more, so these rich profiteers are buying these keys for people that are still going for the backpack.tf low-end of 5.33 refined because they know they can easily sell for 5.66+ refined. That profit margin of a reclaimed is something backpack.tf is trying to prevent by informing traders that people are buying for more by reflecting it in the price. If you'd like to continue to have these new traders be ripped off by a reclaimed every time they trade, then go right ahead, but realize that's what is truly making the rich richer.

Very true, after thinking. Not to kiss up, but why can't people be more like you? I see loads of replies and they're all rude sounding. You're like the voice of reason; the father figure of this site, if you will. No sarcasm intended as you have my respect.

Well the problem is not that people are necessarily rude, however, people become rooted in their beliefs. When this is taken to slight extremes you begin to see arrogance arise which is an issue on both sides of the key debate. I've managed to keep my mind open (as best I can) to both sides of the argument in order to understand both and possibly fix some issues with a people's logic. Unfortunately keys increasing is not simply something you can write off as corruption or profiteering, but it goes further into the fact that people are afraid. People are afraid that the longer they hold onto their metal the less they can buy with it. Meaning if you had 12 refined months ago when keys were 5 refined; you'd be able to buy a Strange Degreaser (just an example || suggested value is 2 keys for quick reference) for 10 refined and have 2 refined left over, but with keys now being 5.44+ refined it would cost 10.88 refined to buy the same Strange Degreaser even though people are still selling it for 2 keys. This disparity in refined value for more expensive items that are priced in keys worry people. That's why people are continuing to pay top refined for keys because its come to the point where its better to overpay now because you're gonna reminisce about that price in 3 weeks.

To sum this up about the point I am trying to present: “Only thing we have to fear is fear itself” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"People who just joined tf2 probably could get one key in about 2-3 weeks of just pure trading"

Ohou. How bad. Didn't know that you must trade to play the game.

Wait trading isnt the game?

And in fact,the price of keys in steam community is slightly dropping instead of rising,think again.

And one more thing,do NOT always give evidence from Outpost, Outpost sellers ALWAYS try to get a little higher price from here,backpack.tf. It will be a cycle.

(little advice to admins,prehaps limit or ban the evidence from Outpost on key price changes would help to cool down the market for a little)

"And in fact,the price of keys in steam community is slightly dropping instead of rising,think again."

The community market has nothing to do with the acutal trading system. Don't compare things which aren't comparable.

"And one more thing,do NOT always give evidence from Outpost, Outpost sellers ALWAYS try to get a little higher price from here,backpack.tf. It will be a cycle."

Then show us that the 5 % of all traders on bazaar.tf are selling for less.

"(little advice to admins,prehaps limit or ban the evidence from Outpost on key price changes would help to cool down the market for a little)"

lol. nope.

You can't ban a site just because it's mostly used by greedy traders. They have success because there are buyers who are willing to pay their prices.

The price of ref vs the price of keys is what started this whole debacle. If the price of keys is dropping, especially on a community market (hmm, where all the pricing proof comes from, outpost is one too) then it is very relevant.

Those are people buying for 5.33-5.44 refined with the person buying for 5.33 refined appearing to have no luck. Anyways there's also a plethora of links provided by the suggester of people buying for 5.44-5.55 refined which shows that the demand is still increasing as people are ever more paying top dollar (top refined) for keys.

Both trade.tf and finance.tf show that 5.33 is not happening in any relevant quantity. Upvote

http://tf2finance.com/keys/

http://trade.tf/price/5021/6

I agree, 5.33 isn't, but 5.44 is happening quite a bit.

trade.tf measures item trades so it measures what people spend the key on not what someone pays for it. With this in mind, it generally would lag just behind buying sales. With finance.tf showing a median of 5.48 the suggestion is perfect for current conditions.

I'll buy you keys @ that price if you insist, ill even do the higher range

Even 5.55 ref seems lowish. It's hard to find sellers at 5.55, 5.66 seems a bit closer. Note that you have no sellers in your proof.

5 ref still possible

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12092453

anyways the best range imo is 5.33-5.66. 5.33 is still entirely possible, but 5.66 sellers have pretty good luck in selling.

That's what we call an OUTLIER. People occasionally sell for 6 refined too. OUTLIERS

5.33 ref are quicksells, plenty of invites in under 1 minute. Hell, 5.44 ref is basically a quicksell too, but we'll just wait another week for the next price update.

ive bought 5 keys from 5 different people and saw multiple other 5 key sellers in just over 2 days. people still get 5.33 very commonly and needs to stay in the range

1) Feel free to offer proof

2) Would guarantee you that the number of keys sold @ 5.33ref would be less than or equal to the number of keys sold @ 5.66ref. Thus, 5.44-5.55 is a valid range.

Oh god yes please!

Agreed.

This'll probably be my last comment, cause clevercorrupt is probably gonna ban me. C:

Well I bid you farewell Sir, it was good to knowing you for 5 minutes. :P

Indeed, good sir. Indeed.

Don't insult other users.

Wasn't really an insult, just a pretty accurate fact. Sorry if you feel insulted but there are quite a few people who aren't very fond of you but you can do as you please for all I care.

Calling people "conniving greedy pigs" is not an objective fact, it's just rude language that has no place in a professional environment.

Regardless of how vague your targets are, insulting other users is not cool.

No really, let's raise em' to that price :p

The prices on backpack.tf are suggested by the community and the community vote wether it is right or wrong. However, the mods ultimatley decide wether it passes or not. People may down vote it and cry murder but if the proof is solid it will get accepted.

I think thats how this system works? Kinda like democracy, you get to vote but the person in charge makes the decicons.

More like a republic, really.

Just like America. Direct democracy is always flawed in action and only sound good on paper

I know this has been said before but this is really getting ridiculous.

I like how all the other recent suggestions that passed have less than 50% out of everyone's approval.

What I don't understand is people who accept paying a scrap more which eventually lead to the raise in the price. I don't blame people who idle,I don't blame steam market and I don't blame those who are selling for an extra scrap. It's all our fault for accepting to pay a bit more so deal with it and stop bitching in every key suggestion. Anyway,suggestion is good,upvote.

You have many keys, that is too biased for a change.

Worst reason to downvote a suggestion. Get some better arguments and counterpoof, otherwise you shouldn't comment on keysuggestions anymore.

I don't know about this. 5.33 is still possible on some servers.

i really dont care about keys price since i only trade few thing like hats and sometimes unusuals, i just buy key ( only 1 of 2 ) when i need for an unusual, my question ( and hope a professional in the subject answer me ) there is no way to stop this rising of keys ? if people sell it for cheap that will be quicksell if people sell it high ( and are sold ) that will be proof so whoever sell keys for cheap to help the economy will just been helping to raising the keys price

You have not disproved that 5.33 is not within the range.

Downvote.

Counterproof:

Sold for 5.33 or less:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12101424

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198023498106

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12100934

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12100941

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12100716

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12100683

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12099908

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198085777017

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12095965

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12095583

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12095222 - 0.11 Lol

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12095135 - 1 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12094633

http://bazaar.tf/trade/276250

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12093613

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12093201

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12092782

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12092453

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12091140

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12090868

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12090512

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12089436

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12088768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12087870

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12088357

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12087077

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12101424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12102532

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12102488

Get you got all those links off of trade.tf? That isnt good counterproof, all those keys were gone in milliseconds. I dare you to find open trades selling for 5.33.

its not how fast they sell, its how many they sell

I think 4 ref is fine.

-calls others greedy

-wants to lower keys for personal gain

im dont own any keys and im only trying to help everyone else and if i buy keys i only use them to unbox stuff there is no financial gains i want

tf2shop.net* $2.05*

lol this thread is a wall of words!

Talk *200* Just leave keys alone guys :( They never did anything bad to you...

Not to me personally, but I had a friend who was penetrated by a key once. His innocence has been opened and spilled never to return. Here's his steam profile: http://steamcommunity.com/id/IMACTUALLYACRATE

He does have good proof, but there has been a lot of people selling for 5.33 lately. A LOT, I say it should stay in the lower end.

Well I see your a 6 year old little girl that doesn't understand sarcasm, and all I'm going to waste my time saying to you is I can go to TF2shop.com for cheap keys, nuff' said.

I don't think it is really good because he does still own 77 and that guy wants keys cause he think they rising so.. I down vote don't hate me..

I also recently got a few keys for 5.11 Which I spent on an unusual. (No proof don't need to consider it)

77 keys is nothing. I had almost 1000 earlier.

You shouldnt have someone who doesnt deal with keys do key suggestions so its good that he has some.

Price things you have good experience with.

With all the bots buying keys at 5.44 and 5.55 there is nothing to do but upvote

The current range is good as it is right now.

Agreed. Now people are starting to sell for 5.66 or 5.77... I'm too lazy to find examples, it's 4:19 AM where I live anyways.

Personally I'm tired of all these lame suggestions that keep rising the key price. I've been selling and buying myself keys for 5.66 for the last month. And people who I traded with didn't even argue to pay 5.66. But as long as there are traders out there selling for 5.33 still, there is no need in upgrading the price again. Downvote.

The economy is weak because...? The TF2 economy is far from weak with people carrying on with their daily playing/trading routines every day. Keys increasing is not the only sector of the economy and does not dictate the state of the economy. One currency appreciating in value over another does not mark the doom of an economy. People favor keys more and keys have an increased buying potential that was previously nonexistent. To be a new trader who just bought a few keys from the store and wants some hats/miscs; you can now get more craft hats for a single key. Before you'd 2 keys to buy 4 craft hats, but now you only need 1 key which is great for people that want hats for every class relatively cheap. Focusing on simply the negative of keys costing more metal to buy disallows you from seeing the good that comes out of it. The economy is not as weak as you believe it to be just because of keys and their ever changing value.

Just don't vote.

Dv, keys sell so fast at slightly less than the "standard" because the rich minority continue raising the standards to make more profits for themselves, not because the community wants to pay more for stuff. Buyers > sellers

This makes me want to buy 1000 keys and just wait for the price to go up and then sell them all

haha, this is like stocks