Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 5.55–5.66 ref

Why bother with sellers? It's difficult to confirm how many keys they've sold. Plus, I don't really need them, considering how many willing buyers there are.

Are you serious? Consider yourself bloody lucky if you found keys at even 5.55 ref.

http://www.trade.tf/deals/search/Sell/All/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key/all/1

If you look closely you will see a ton of sellers/sold at below 5.55.

And if you look even closer, you'll find that every single one of them sold out faster than you can say "keys are too high!"

Keys sell quickly at all prices, except the high prices. Meaning keys will never stop rising, because everything in range is considered quickselling by the logic held on here.

Has the definition of "tons of sellers" changed over the years?

That's a lot of buyers o.o

Please wait a week before half-a-scrap change okthxbai

there's one in the classifieds for 5.44

He never said one key represented the whole market...... He was just pointing it out :B

Havent been able to buy at 5.44 for awhile: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12386910

My trade

own 107... well....

has nothing to do with his proof.

no one is saying it does. just that it when you own a lot of something, you stand to gain quite a bit by an "official" price raise. price manipulation is a problem that should be addressed, not politely ignored.

It's not really price manipulation. Anyone that does a fair amount of trading like Hatch does will end up with quite a few keys, I don't think he really cares about bumping a low end one scrap on a website with an already outdated price.

Yeah, and he gains a fucking lot if the suggested price will be accepted. I mean 5.33 Ref are really much today.. Even if it's only a virtual reported price here which nobody must take seriously.

/sarcasm

Uhh, he's making about 6 refined off of this. (well, if his price is inaccurate, and it is actually still 5.44-5.66.

Look at his backpack. Do you think he would spend that much time collecting proof for 6 refined?

No.

Last suggestion for only 4 days ago, do we really need one now?

The time doesn't matter if the price is already outdated.

when ever i find proof some1 else posts a suggestion :/

Oh my.... Another key suggestion.

I must look at every link.

Owns 107 xD

Ah, so you're one of those guys that look at how much keys he has instead of looking at proof...

No, i'm just surprised by how many he has. Sometimes you need to simply look at the surface of things :P

I used to have more, but then I bought a vintage bill's and sold it on the steam market. Goodbye 38 keys, hello $80! (And that's going to be a small fortune when the summer sale comes along)

o.0 i have no clue what the summer sale will bring nor what the items might be worth. But i will put $25 on my account and see what it might bring.

cheaper games maybe?

Personally i'm hoping that skyrim legendary edition becomes $15

107 isn't that much and so what if he owns 107? Keep useless comments to yourself

It most certainly is not nothing, but it is relatively small compared to other hordes of keys.

Long...

Me and my little 15 keys struggling to get 1 pure bud . .

Get a gifted one.

lol , WAT!

1. It's really not that much

2. So what if he owns 107? Are you saying people with lots of keys can't make key suggestions?

Exactly. He owns 107 keys, so clearly everything he says is null and void.

uh-huh. Perhaps you should do some research before you make statements like that.

Thank you for contributing this unoriginal comment that has been seen on every key suggestion for the past six months.

Isn't it exciting?

Kinda is, I'm wondering how big the flamewar will be today...

She*

I like how yours is the only reply with a negativ score in this little conversation.

People are acting so childish, downvoting everything what the suggester writes.

I don't care if she does, atleast I know we had a beautiful conversation about space. Yes, about space.

ikr space is awesome!!!

... Where have I heard that before?

You've listed buyers for 5.66 and 5.55. but what about the ones who are buying it for 5.44?!

The current price is stable enough if you ask me. Downvote.

They're irrelevant since there are so many buying for 5.55, and because I'm taking 5.44 out the range

What if the amount of buyers for 5.44 are higher?! That won't be irrelevant then.

The amount of buyers for 5.44 is probably the same as 5.55. And no, that doesn't make them relevant. There are hundreds of people attempting to buy for <5 refined. Does that make them relevant? No, not really.

Actually no. First of all, you said "probably the same as 5.55", so we can't trust your judgment when you're not even sure and haven't provided proof for the amount of 5.44.

Second of all, If the amount of buyers for 5.55 and 5.66 makes the relevant, so does the amount of 5.44 (making them relevant).

Well, no matter what I say, you're still going to think you're right. I'm going to quote Vincent now.

"Why take 4.77 out of range when some people still sell for that?"

Multiple reasons.

First off, when you sell for less than what is readily available through buyer trades, you are selling unnecessarilly low- quickselling, as some like to call it, though quite frankly you'd have sold exactly as quick as at the slightly higher buyer trade price because that's keys for you.

Secondly, the small number of trades happening for less are vastly outnumbered by the sheer quantity of buyers wanting to pay higher to get that key. That makes it clear they are anomalies.

Thirdly, while there are trades happening for less than this range, there are also trades happening for HIGHER, as demonstrated in the competing suggestion: backpack.tf/vote/id/5187958b4bd7b87f14000006 . Not ALL trades can be covered by range, what's important is to try to get the range where the bulk of trades are happening. That can be difficult to define with keys in their current volatility, but operating around the highest steady BUYER prices is a safe approach." -A Distinctive Lack of Vincent

Source: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5187e6eeba2536a948000001

Please don't judge me when you don't even know me! I was asking for proof, which is completely reasonable and of course, one of the rules of suggesting a new price.

At least Vincent, the Pricing Mod, talks with reason, unlike you unfortunately.

I can see what he means and the reason behind what he says and I am willing to Up vote this suggestion. I just need to look around a little more and see what other people are saying and check all those links etc...

Instead of looking around, why don't you try some actual trading? Try selling your keys for refined metal instead of web-money for a start?

how does that make any sense.

You need to prove that you can't get keys for 5.44

and you saying that they aren't succesful means nothing you need to prove it

And how exactly do I prove that one can't get keys for 5.44? Add every single 5.44 buyer and ask if they've bought any keys lately? I'm sure if it was consistently possible to buy for 5.44, no one would pay higher.

again you're talking not proving <.<

How about you provide counter proof instead of sitting there telling me I don't have enough proof?

Oh wait, you can't. Never mind.

you're the suggestor...

I didn't say you had enough proof, your proof is missing a big part

stop talking and being ignorant and provide proof that you can't get keys for 5.44. not my job its yours

You are allowed to post successful buyers at 5.44 Ref as counterproof.*

* These buyers need to get more than 1 Key every day.

This guy is funny. Let me ask you this question Renard; if you had a key to sell and you saw a guy buying keys for 5.55 ref and another buying for 5.44 ref, who would you choose?

That is subjective and circumstantial. I've known and seen people who purposefully would sell for the low end of the key range to maintain it that way.

Also, if you need metal extremely quickly, you will not endlessly search to garner an extra scrap, you would most likely take the first fair price.

You may also personally know the person, may not care whatsoever, be opposed key inflation, may have many keys to sell, etc,.

Just because somebody is paying 5.55, there are still a plethora of legitimate reasons to sell your keys for a single scrap lower.

There is no endless search to find a buyer @ 5.55 -5.66 ref. There is plenty of proof above, to prove it.

And you must have seen that over the past, nearly all of the admins of this website in their comments have denied accepting any such people, who would sell 1 key in a week, on an average, to maintain the lower end of the prices.

The keys are priced, at least on this website, on their availability, as in readily available and not have to wait for painful 4 hours to buy 1 key for a scrap less.

Unfortunately, your plethora of legitimate reasons have already been acknowledged and denied acceptance by the moderators.

If you need links or talk about this more then please add me.

If you need links or talk about this more then please add me.

Please, please post links. I would love to see them. Here on this suggestion. You seem to talk a lot without providing actual facts, and while this is amusing, I would be thrilled to see you actually compile facts. From your statements of mods denying legit proof, to why 5.44 should be removed from the range, present your facts.

Firstly even though you did a good job on highlighting my remark, yet you visibly failed to comprehend it.

Now, as far as why 5.44 should be removed from the range; then Hatch has done a very good job on that already. There is no need for me to waste my time on that.

And for the latter, please see the closing comments

1. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51cc6c09ba2536cb65000007 -- Accepting the suggestion clearly marks decline of anyone who sells for less because either a) does not care about key prices, b) is ignorant that he can get more, or c) wants to sell his key for less to "stop inflation"

2. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51b0b1f0ba2536e653000015

3. The purpose of this site is to inform consumers. Listing 5 in the range would be counter-intuitive because Sellers can get much more and Buyers cannot get more without a lot of effort - Cleverpun ( on argument when 5 ref were counter proposed to be listed; the current key price was 5.22-5.44 ref. The suggester showed 30+ links to prove his point, yet was declined) http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51af728e4bd7b81a60000006

4. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51aa9dacba2536e42a000010 - See Vincent's closing remarks. it clearly depicts the importance of buyers, non acceptance of any sellers selling at lower price, shown as counter proof from trade.tf,

5. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51a81d214bd7b85e0200000a - Another rejection same reason.

If it still feels itchy, down there, then I can find more discussions on backpack.tf forums. I might not be able to give this discussion of ours that much time untill this weekend though :(

Where are the unsuccessful buyers at 5.44? Downvote.

Everywhere. They are everywhere. Upvote

Nice damage control. You can't respond with proof when confronted, how sad.

How about you post some proof for a change? Asking where more proof is doesn't make me wrong.

Your suggestion, not his.

How very stupid. If you had a key and wanted to sell then who would you, as a sensible person, choose? 5.44 or 5.55? more value of your key or less?

Ooops !!! asked the wrong guy. You would perhaps do some trolling

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12310522 - (Jul 3rd, 2013 10:27pm)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12311477 - (Jul 3rd, 2013 10:41pm)

Are you using Logic? in a suggestion? Pretty sure that's not how it works

Did you even think for a second before making that statement?

okay here's what you said, why a sensible person would for whatever pay a price for an item in your case, why some would pick 5.55 over 5.44 or vice-versa what i'am saying what a sensible person would do is irrelevant, this is about are buyer selling for this price, and is getting sold thought that statement was pretty clear.

You are allowed to post successful buyers at 5.44 Ref as counterproof.*

* These buyers need to get more than 1 Key every day.

I'm not really THAT rich. Have you seen the Top Backpacks list?

I'm more above average than rich.

And what would be your reason to want the price of this item you have in abundance in your inventory to be raised? I don't mind your ''proof''. What is your real reason? There is NO lack in these items. And if you guys want some REAL proof that this pricing is all wrong, wouldn't the keys in stock all around be more because of people buying 2 keys with 5$ to have a ton of metal to use for trading? Why exactly does it go up then?

'Cuz people pay more for them.

I don't ever intend to sell my keys for refined unless I need to in order to buy something small or something.

Also, if you really care about why keys are going up, take the time to read this: http://tf2finance.com/2013_03/

Price is outdated.

>>> This website reports accurate prices.

Get it? That's why we need proof. You don't look at the proof, we don't care about your opinion.

Complaining won't help. If you want the price to drop so badly, why not make a suggestion...?

I'm not asking for it to drop. I'm asking for it to stay one price.

He's not rich, and richess doesn't affect suggestions.

its been 4 days since the last one was posted.. your supposed to wait 7 days.. not 4..

It will probably be 7 days once this suggestion is taken care of, however. Talk about a loophole.

Sir j-jon said that they can't make a suggestion with minimal change within 7 days, even if the judging time comes at 7 days.

Oh. I must not have read that all the way through then.

downvote bought 9 keys within a day at 5.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12412357

closed my trade since I ran out of metal

That was a day ago. And might I say, i'm jealous. I've tried to buy for 5.66 refined with little success. Even scrap.tf has trouble staying in stock.

closed 23 hours ago, opened 2 days ago...

Ah, my bad, i must be tired or something. Still, you are to be commended for being very lucky indeed. I just want to buy keys for 5.66, and I can't even accomplish that with a steady bumping schedule.

RETURN OF THE HATCH :O

I thought you had left us for a while, what with having a no add notice in your name (though that might have been something else). Anyways, buyers should be taken into account where proof is concerned, but I bet you could go a little far by including sellers as well.

Here's a trade selling keys for 5.77 each (and buying for 5.55) that, to my knowlege, isn't listed, if someone wants to get started on that: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427

Actually, I did. I went on three separate 1 week trips this summer, and I put that tag on every time save the last one.

However, I'm here to stay for a while now. Thanks for the proof, appreciate it.

No problem, man. While I, like everyone else, isn't happy that keys are going up, I'm more than willing to provide the proof that they are when needed.

Hype hasn't gone down yet. So I'll assume people like having keys these days.

COUNTER PROOF (based on the way your proof was made):

Buying for 5,44 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12248386

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12483599

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12389626 - 5,5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12447355

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12495424 - 5,33 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11539396 - 5,22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12333299

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11742020 -5,33 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12073651

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10002248 - 4,33 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11701307 - 2,66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12060882 - 2,55 ref

Too lazy to find more, but it just show the way u made the proof

Find SUCCESSFUL buyers at 5.44 pl0x, your buyers are useless, If I buy at 1 ref, does that means keys are a ref? No, because keys aren't going to get sold to me.

whats the difference between UNSUCCESFUL buyers at 5,44 or lower and 5,55-5,66?

Succesful 5,44 - http://i.imgur.com/yiPd7bl.jpg

Because why sell to 5.44 buyers when you can sell to 5.55 and 5.66 buyers and make an extra 1-2 scrap profit?

Not sure if supports suggestion, or doesn't support suggestion and trying to get other people to find counter proof rather than himself

Oh I'm saying the 7 day key suggestion rule is still in effect, so you need to wait 3 days, and I'm just saying his counter is useless, he just provided additional proof for you. I don't really care about keys anymore, I found a way to make a lot of metal, so I can buy for any price.

Okay cool

finding more counterproof is useless cuz admins dont care about this in key suggestions, they will w8 3 days and this suggestion will pass

BACKPACK.TF IS COOORRRUPPTTT LETS GO BACK TO SPREADSH*T

But yeah, your opinion is wrong.

How immature of you. I fail to see how that was whining.

Happy? you got 2 dislikes.

Still fail to see how that was whining.

Please continue to do so.

This is a place for serious discussion, not petty jabs. If you two want to quarrel it out with one another, then add each other and use chat, but please spare us the details and the fact that now we have to scroll over your pointless retorts to one another.

it was over. but nooooo, you just had to reply! Didn't you??!!

The 7 day rule...resubmit after 3 days please

You are going to need to provide unsuccessful buyers @ 5.44 for this to pass, and don't reply to every post or else you are going to lose sanity.

Source: Done it before

I don't intend on replying to every single post, but i'm probably going to reply to roughly half. or maybe two-thirds.

http://i.imgur.com/yiPd7bl.jpg - bought a key for 5.44 yesterday

Nice! Sell it to me for 5.66. You get a 2 scrap profit.

Some people get mad because key prices are going through the roof but look on the bright side if you ever need allot of metal all you have to do is buy like 5 keys from the mann co. store and sell then for 5.33 and bam you got 26.66 refined in no time!!! that's one way to look at it not that I think keys need to be this high.

There are people still selling for 5.33 ref... Jesus Christ, this is getting crazy.

Link? I'll buy them all out

Look at trade.tf, bro.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12497663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12497392

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12496977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12495900

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493664

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9610464

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12492719

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12492393

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12492273

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12491731

But I want some still with stock... :(

Of course, people buy them in seconds if there are still suggestions like this. But you asked me if it's possible, and there you go.

I didn't ask you if it's possible, I asked you if there's sellers I can buy from. And evidently, the answer is no. :(

Then you must to be fast like the other traders trying to make profit from keys. :)

So, you're telling me... that people buy out these 5.33 refined so they can sell them to people like me for 5.66 refined? Why, doesn't that make the 5.33 refined sellers quicksellers and/or outliers?

at this point Hatch is trying to make people angry, and at this rate he's winning

Ahem

Sellers at 5.44 -

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12495900

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12492719

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12492451

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12491766

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12490592

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12490381

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12488407

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12484772

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12484564

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12482748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12482309

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12482232

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12481615

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12480226

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12479049

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12470458

Apparent successful buyers at 5.44-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9981866

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12433137

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11563684

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11624755

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12144513

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11538785

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12093954

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12031476

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12425523

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12232853

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12382825

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12259905

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12444641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12411682

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11673879

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12342410

Anyways, a couple things to note about your proof:

1.) TF2Finance is not good proof, stated by cleverpun

2.) Some links of your proof fall in the category of:

-Misplaced links/Troll links. Ex. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12495024

-Duped. Ex. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12464425

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12464425

-Key Bots. Ex. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11699011

They cover up about 20+- in total.

3.) No sellers, which is essential to any good and reasonable suggestion

4.) Never proved whether or not buying at 5.44 is possible.

Also, to sort of "bump" what Sir John said 2 months ago for future references:

_____..:: NOTICE FOR FUTURE KEY SUGGESTIONS ::.._____

- Do NOT suggest a new price range for keys until 3 days have past since the last increase,

- ***EXCEPT*** if a major event has occurred that has changed to price radically.

- ***OR*** if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof & arguments.

- Do NOT suggest a new price range for keys that is only a .5 scrap difference from the last suggestion. We do not need this constant spamming of .5 scrap changes.

- ***EXCEPT*** if the price has been stable for ~7 days and only a small change is needed.

Please, for the sake of all of us:

-Re-suggest in 3 days if you intend to raise the price by half a scrap

-Gather more legitimate proof, sellers and buyers, and remove illegitimate links, such as key bots, dupes, etc,.

-Prove that it is extremely hard to buy at 5.44. I agree with you that it is impossible to figure out that whether or not 5.44 buyers have bought keys, but show that those trades do not have adds, or have a lot of metal and low key count.

You sir/maim, deserve a medal <3

Why is listing bots BUYING ABOVE the market price a bad thing? If anything bots, which are meant for 24 hour service for people that are DESPERATE for key, just supports hatch's proof even further...

Scrap.tf and TF2F are terrible proof because of their automated nature and opaque processes, respectively.

Bots are not reliable evidence; people pay for convenience.

That is the entire reason scrap.tf is not good key proof.

What cleverpun has said about bots. She is the master of key suggestions, so we are obliged to the queens rules.

One key word you're missing here. This is BUYERS we're taking about, NOT sellers. The only reason why cleverpun said that bots are unreliable evidence was because they were SELLING above market price. Buyers are a different story here bro.

But they will, for the foreseeable future.

its a damn shame

no sellers proof, downvote

107 weapons = 53,5 scrap.

/ 9 = 5.95 Ref

Get your maths straight.

Also what would he do with all this "profit" he just made if this suggestion were to be accepted? Sell the keys and use that profit to buy even more? Keys would cost now cost more, so its not like you can buy more keys with all that refined. If he were to sell for refined, then what would he do with it? People who own unusuals almost never accept metal as payment nor do most with expensive stranges unless they have a key to metal conversion either at or higher than the backpack.tf high end. All this "profit" he's making isn't going to do him any good in trading.

"slowly watches this suggestion reach the top of the active price suggestions"

Welcome back Hatch.

It is indeed very very tough to find keys for even 5.55 ref. I buy all my keys at 5.66 ref now. Upvote !!!!!!!

Bought 10 keys at 5.55 within a day, no way.

This is your buying trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12430303

1. Your fist seller is also buying keys for 5.55 ref ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12489880 ). It does not make any sense of him selling the keys at same price to you, unless they are your own alt account. I request you to post some screen shots of the trade.

2. Your second add has been selling keys for 5.77 ref ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12464255 ) and buying them for 5.55 ref ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12476552 ), why would that profit oriented guy sell you keys for two scraps cheap? When a little search would yield buyers at 5.66 ref, with ease. Again please post some screen shots.

I agree with most people in this voting. If you can prove that keys are impossible to sell at 5.44 then i will upvote. but untill then im downvoting this

lol, I am happy to buy any number of keys from 1 scrap to 5.55 ref. All I need is sellers, lol, which are next to impossible to find.

LMAO - " prove that keys are impossible to sell at 5.44 ref"

well think about it: if keys can still be sold at 5.44 then a raise is not neccacary

think about this, keys can be sold for 1 scrap each too then why to raise it even to 1 scrap + 1 weapon? Although it would take a miracle to find a seller for this price.

Keys are priced, on this website, depending upon what price they are readily available and if their is any substantial evidence of sales at that price. In this suggestion their is plenty of supporting evidence.

Alright, then why dont you go ahead and find a bunch of sellers for 1 scrap+1 wep each and start a suggestion? If that will make you SOO happy

I just cannot go making useless suggestions on this website unfortunately :(

90% of us cant XD its okay i feel your pain brother :P

Ooooh my bum hurts.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438682

little little counter

Just can't deny that proof. You got my upvote.

Man this guy is smart, using buyers rather than sellers :S Sigh...I know I will damn myself by doing this but I have to upvote...sorry people, I try to act as impartially as possible when it comes to key suggestions. Go ahead, downvote my comment to those "key fanatics" that wants to make the key price drop but I hope the sensible ones realize that hatch is right in the end...

I was once in the #savethekeys club, but then I realized that there was actually a reason behind key's rise. It's not because of price manipulation by people who have a lot of keys, but it's due to idlers.

There are 2 currencies in TF2- metal and keys. Just like how in real likfe, we have USD and EUR. If one currency decreases in value, the other doesn't fall with it; it increases.

Idlers can have many idling accounts, I personally know a person with over 600 idling accounts and a huge ass computer system to deliver all the weapons (metal) to his main account. With more and more metal, its value decreases, and since keys are listed in metal, of course keys are not gonna fall WITH metal.

This is the reason why keys are rising. The proof is very nice, but some failed buyers at 5.44 would work. I don't blame the rise of keys anymore, there's a legit reason behind it.

I've been selling keys at 5.66 when I've needed metal over the past few days and have sold 10-15 within minutes of posting and getting several adds in a few cases.

Here are a few of my trades that are most easily used as proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12504589

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12495676

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12451303

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12436425

Looking back at the trades most of them sold in under 30 views, if anything this price for keys is still low.

Not 1 ref but I would love them to be "5 ref for 2 keys" :)

do you even imagine the scenario of keys going down? that will be crazy, people will actually sell all their keys before they devaluate more, just like it's happening now with bill's hat

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/