Suggestion: Strange Grenade Launcher at 3.5–4 keys

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~29.22 ref

1512 votes up

616 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Fri, 19 Jul 13 18:50:19 +0000 by SirJjjon.

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Sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12734874 (3) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12702428 (3.1) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12741480 (3.3)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12716634 (3.3) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12758354 (3.5) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12758120 (3.5)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12739035 (3.7)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12716674 (3.7)[sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12715389 (3.7) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12762025 (3.7)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12760049 (4)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12758873 (4)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12758659 (4)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12757390 (4) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12749521 (4) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12746048 (4) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12744721 (4) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12741693 (4) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12734450 (4) [sold]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12727875 (4) [sold]

Need more links.

I think he just went thought trade.tf and listed trades from there lolol

tbh i didn't expected it will stay up for 3 days and people will get mad for that 0.25$ loss + your counter-proof is from the past suggestions and things changes very fast now me think...oh before i end this did you notice the last conversation ?

I know i was quite surprised for such a popular item to be up so long, as generally speaking the longer they stay up the more flame wars start and i agree that a decision probably should have been made sooner :S

The thing is with popular weapons like these when a price change happens many many players get scared and they end up jumping ship and try to sell off their weapon quickly which is what i believe most of your links show. As from the comments and counter proofs it seems like 4 keys is still a relatively easy sale.

I hope i did clear up a few loose ends and my apologies if i was an ass. Leave this suggestion up if you do believe that it is accurate but i wont vote as i think ill be biased as i made the previous one :S

if no one criticize batman's suggestion who will ?

and yea the sadly truth is if you search on the market you will find a lot of dem selling for less than 4 keys that was the reason of the suggestion

thanks for your criticism i guess :)

All the links you posted for selling at 4 keys are not sold.

why did you label the trades at 4 ref as sold?

EDIT:and i checked their backpacks, they all still have their s grenade launcher.

my bad...edited

I sold mine for 4 keys a few days ago

http://imgur.com/fRKc8j9

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12668855 2 sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12577344 1 guy added http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9519818 just 1 week ago a guy want the S.GL for 5 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12640448 many add

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12676388 2 solded

I can find more if you want.

down vote.

4 keys is still in the range...m8

But 4 key is better than 3.5-4 key.

no its possible to buy for less so the next range will be 3.5-4

It won't be.

i cant see your counter proof

Ill help him out then

Some solds from the last suggestion (5 days ago) which have now all sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12598482 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12559465 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12594131 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12479314 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12409128 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12598502 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12577344 (4 keys) <--- selling 8+

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12610605 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12602394 (4 keys) <-- selling 2 both gone

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12575779 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12609440 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12514762 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12606651 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12601885 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12495713 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12337607 (4 keys) <-- sold check history

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12586921 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12073835 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12430998 (4 keys) <-- sold check history

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12595034 (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12469820 (4 keys) <-- sold check history

And again and again your solds below 4 keys were all nabbed pretty quickly (within a few hours) and comments and counter proofs shows that it's somewhat easy to sell for 4 keys while below 4 keys are not very convincing.

The few links which you have listed as unsolds for 4 keys have adds and or are unbumped which you have just gotten from my suggestion :L

sold mine for 4 keys http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12691727

2 days ago

The counter-proof is too good for this to be correct. Just because some people can quickbuy for less than 4 keys, it is exactly that, a quickbuy. Downvote.

you'll need alot more links for a weapon that has so many trades open.

Also most of your trades below 4 keys seem to be quick sales as most are very very young and already have adds :l

How do you explain that there is still unsold trades below 4 keys

They are young literally all of them arnt even 1 day old many are unbumped as well.

You've posted 10 links, 6 of them are sold also all in under 1 day too.

yes that means they are not quicksells

For an item like this, I think anything under 1 day is a quicksell.

the first 2 links are the only quicksales here

i even sold mine for 4 keys + craft hat http://puu.sh/3EisI.png

thats 1 week old

So? It still sold didn't it?

yes sold when the range was 4-4.5

Yes, but it still sold for 4 keys, meaning there is nothing wrong with this price.

yay lets downvote (nearly) all items during 11-22 asd people are quickselling everything to get keys=funds for summer sale. and after 22th lets upvote everything again :) deng i start to hate this (site)....

As illiterate and somewhat bias this is, he's actually right. There's quite a few quicksellers with a lot of items because of the summer sale. Doesn't mean the price should be affected because of it.

Believe it or not, this is how an economy works. Feel free to post counter proof if you don't agree with it.

>quicksellers

MOAR PROOFZ:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12715041 (4 keys with solly part)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12752412 (4 keys with a 2 rec back)!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12766703 (3 key + 4.88 ref)!

Unsold: @more than 4 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12527602 (4.5) [5 days]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12593341 (4.3) [4 days]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12693412 (4.1) [2 days]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12687151 (4.3) [2 days]

We have nothing to do there with unsolds above current price.

don't generalize

There are plenty of reasons this thing is still as expensive as it is.

1) It came from uncrate #19, just that. Never has there been a re-crating.

2) people don't care that much about 4 keys. They waste $10 and don't give a crap.

uhm, I'm also against this going down, but what you're doing is just totally ridiculous

oh sorry i WAS just realy MAD for bakcpacktf lowering the fast learner :(

whats wrong with lowering the value of the fast learner?

it was re-released in a recent crate-plus there are new scouts misc items, the demand has dropped and if they successfully showed it can be bought/sold for lower whats wrong with that?

I'm glad about both of those going down.

Dude, price won't always stay the same. They are always constantly changing. It's just how the world it.

I don't think there's enough evidence and when i sold mine I had no problem and plenty of decent offers to choose from. Sold for 4 keys in no time: http://i.imgur.com/jFRNQpj.png?1

okay i didn't disagree that its possible to sell @4 keys

and possible to sell @less than 4 keys too

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12774669 (1 hour)

You have shown 1 unbumped trade with 8 views... I don't normally get such good responses from my sales but i felt like i could have, and should have, sold the gl for more. There were plenty of people offering 5+ in items and I had several offers of 4 keys to choose from when i logged on again. It certainly sold a lot faster than my current ones such as the strange degreaser and shotgun. I just don't see the need for a decrease.

I had many adds for 3 keys yesterday but I declined all. Summer Sale is taking its toll over all the other items currently.

So my upvote for you buddy.

i appreciate that

You're also the guy who was quickselling a huntsman for 4.5 yesterday among many other stranges, quicksells don't affect prices.

I think you got confused here. I am talking about people trying to sell their strange grenade launchers to me. lol. And if 20+ people add me up to sell their grenade for 3 keys, is that even a quick-sell anymore? And on top of that I even declined to buy it.

I've only got 4 adds for 3.4-3.6 keys in the last two or three days, something tells me you're lying.

Nope, I run quick-sell shops. I got shit ton of keys. I buy low and sell low, as you witnessed yourself yesterday. And please read this again "Summer Sale is taking its toll over all the other items currently." This was the possible reason for all those adds.

Yeah... how about no. I've been easily selling at 4 keys, and above 4 keys for a very long time now. 4 keys sells fast, I can tell you this from experience. As in like 15 minute fast at the right time. Here's some trades from the last week.

http://i.imgur.com/S2UhZf7.png - 4 keys, Jul 16

http://i.imgur.com/nziE1qZ.png - 4 keys, Jul 14

http://i.imgur.com/NQCvJe5.png - 4 keys, Jul 14

http://i.imgur.com/KWuFjQn.png - Items quicksold for a total of 5 keys, Jul 11

http://i.imgur.com/1eaQlpK.png - 4 keys + 1 ref, Jul 10

http://i.imgur.com/M3joS1f.png - Items easily sold for 5 keys, Jul 9

http://i.imgur.com/25duzFR.png - 4 keys + 2 ref, Jul 8

I have plenty more I've had no problems selling at 4.2 keys and 4.4 keys recently, but they are a bit too old to be valid proof. This suggestion is an easy downvote for me, since I have this much proof of easily selling at 4 higher and I am just one seller. Here's older trades incase anyone wants to dispute my 4.2 claims. Keep in mind I was vacationing in the gap in my trades here, so it makes a lot of these older. There are considerably more trades then just these but I don't feel like searching more and providing proof more than a month old.

http://i.imgur.com/1URS78e.png - 4 keys + 1 ref, Jun 21

http://i.imgur.com/iwKIwa4.png - 5 keys, Jun 20

http://i.imgur.com/In0gDvr.png - 4 keys + 1 ref, Jun 20

http://i.imgur.com/rk64VAh.png - 23.66 ref (Keys were 5.33) or 4 keys + 2.33 ref, Jun 19

http://i.imgur.com/TnLXund.png - 4 keys + 2 ref, June 19

http://i.imgur.com/4XqMKGm.png - Items easily sold for 4 keys + 3 ref, Jun 17

http://i.imgur.com/Q5CteG9.png - 5 keys, Jun 17

http://i.imgur.com/pzWkNzg.png - Items easily resold for 4 keys + 2.66 ref, Jun 16

http://i.imgur.com/pBobUcf.png - 4 Keys + 2 ref, June 15

Again, I am just one trader. In the last month I haven't even been trading much and these things sell fast. I experimented in a 4.2-4.4 price most of the time, the 5 keys buyers weren't even for trades that were asking for 5 keys. People just obviously want this strange, and were willing to pay more. I see no need of a half key drop based on a few quicksells when my personal experience shows more trades happening at and above this price. That is why this is an easy downvote for me.

last week=range was 4-4.5

So what about the three trades in the last 4 days, which is when the price was changed, where I've easily sold at 4? I've also missed countless adds lately, some may have easily been for Grenade Launchers but I don't know since I've been in surgery and in and out of the hospital.

Again...4 keys is still in the range

And anything under it is a quicksell, seeing how quickly they move at 4 flat.

ACAULAY the range was also 4.5 keys 2 DAYS AGO

the change happened 2 DAYS ago not 1 week ago plus your lowering the price just in 1 day period so most people still buy for 4.5 keys

actually i posted some links for unsuccessful sellers for more than 4 keys but it gets a hide :/

eh and that's why all my links are new

4 Keys may still be in the range, but there is a significant amount of proof showing that the majority of sales for strange grenade launchers are at 4 keys. Downvote.

the only reason for this is because the crate is dropping in price.

You need buyers otherwise there's not enough proof

I'm pretty sure these guys just need keys as fast as possible...desperated quicksells should not count in those votes...

for those who say this is an ''obvious quicksells'' :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12789522 (3 keys + 3 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12783266 (3 keys + 4 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12789184 (3 keys + 4.33)

Everyday there is sellers for less than 4 keys

The first guy has underpriced most of the items in the trade suggesting he just wants quick metal/keys and the 3rd guy sold for ts bills (8.4-8.9 keys) which doesnt prove your range at all.

ts bill's (8.4-8.9) !!!!

According to the site we are using, its value is 8.4-8.85 keys

The first sold in 8 hours....yeah I would call that a quicksell.

8 hours....QUICKSELL!!!111

Yes, that is definitely a quicksell. For an item worth this much selling within that amount of time is unusual and thus considered a quicksell.

your just a asshole that's lowering the price based on quick sells so you can stock up on the items for cheep then your gonna re-sell at 4 keys

so basically your DOING this vote for your own benefit

and you're one of those who wants to save a 0.35$ loss ¡

"your just a asshole"

nice one man.

also its good to see you got your caps lock button fixed.

is lowering your bp value by about .25$ that big a deal for coming on here and being a prick to somebody you dont know? and what do you think that will accomplish?

AND ONE MORE THING! what proof or reason do you have to believe that he wants to do that? he doesnt have any listed trades for buying s grenade launchers on op or bazaar (not reliable sources i know) or let alone a single one in his backpack, hell he only has 4 strange quality items in his backpack.

if anything you're downvoting for your own benefit.

and i found these:

[url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51957be0ba2536765d000004[/url]

[url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51dca878ba25360617000001[/url]

hypocrite much?

lol that guy said for my benefit what are they going to give me...a snickers ?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12791595 4 keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12790702 4.4 sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12788409 4 keys sold (not in bp)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12787219 4 keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12786613 4 keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12785853 4 keys sold

thanks for supporting the high range

plus the second link says: Looking for 4 keys pure OR a double cross comm painted with paint worth 1 key.

Check their bp, they have an after 8 cross comm worth 4.4 keys

After overpay thats pretty much 4. The paint bonuses here are wrong.~

My apologies but I cannot edit the post as it was more than an hour ago :/

after 8 is on sale

4 keys goes quickly with most of the sales for 4 keys being sold with a tiny amount of views I see nothing to justify a 0.5 key drop in price.

can you explain why i find 3.5 sales everyday....if you said its quicksells thats impossible

Well they aren't exactly good proof.. Of the last 3 you posted 1 was quickselling most of the things in the trade and the other sold for the current range.

Just sold mine earlier for 4 keys. Downvote.

http://imgur.com/sVVT7p6

AGAIN....the range is 3.5-4

notice the (4) in the range

FOUR IN THE RANGE!!

I'm saying that there shouldn't be a range at all. I sold mine quick and easy at 4, shouldn't it stay at 4? There's plenty of proof against bringing the range down...

and there is more proofs to bring it down

Then show them, the proof that you put up are quicksells in my opinion; If you have more proof of people selling at 3.5 keys and not selling instantly, then put up the proof and I'll be glad to change my opinion. For now, I'm still downvoting as I do not see the proof.

instantly!..it takes around 8 hours and more to sell at 3.5 i already proofed that

Selling around 8 hours is a quick sale

IF ITS IN THE FUCKING RANGE THEN WHY WHY IS BACK PACK TF PRICEING ALL ITEMS BASED ON THE MID-RANGE MEDIAN? WHEN I CHECKED ITS COUNTED as 3.75 keys NOT 4

you won't solve anything with that talk well and give us your point

You need to chill out man, its a game. All this talk has been (mostly) civilized. Take a chill pill, bro.

AND MOAR!!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12811754 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12789522 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12805584 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12803179 3 keys 3.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12810321 3 keys 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12808238 3 keys 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12783266 3 keys 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12796390 3 keys 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12811157 3 keys 4.33 ref

Some of these are relists of the ones you put up earlier,

ex -

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12789522

Also, many of the offers are offering on multiple trades with no such luck, for example, one person is trading 2 cans of white paint (1.5-2 keys, ON SALE) on multiple trades, so it shows they're having no luck. Because some people are quickselling their grenade launchers for keys at the moment (Remember, Steam Getaway Sale?) doesn't mean that the price should go down...

Proof of people selling S. Grenade Launchers @ 4 keys -

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12713940

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12801514

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12783703

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12785863

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12761177

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12801077

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12800657

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12153302

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12777370

Outlier selling @ 5 keys - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12666374

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SOLD/BUYING S. Grenade Launchers @ 4 keys (Or valuing them at that) -

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12577344 - Sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12816334

Sorry bub, I think that S. Grenade Launchers are here to stay at 4 keys.

takes more than a day to sell @4 (from your proof)

one of your (selling @4) stayed for 2 weeks

I sold mine within 30 minutes of putting up a post, that's pretty quick in my opinion.

added additional proofs

all sold within a few hours ---> quick sale

of course people who sell for less won't stay for more than 1 day and or they won't stay tell you come and say its not a quicksell

yes..in this suggestion there is +20 proof(notice the hidden) for sales less than 4 keys i think that's enough...any other thoughts?¿?

Like I responded, as long as I can sell it for 4 keys easily, it shouldn't be the high-end of a range at all, people on Outpost buy low and sell high, so if anything the price should go up.

But that's my opinion.

i posted some proofs about people trying to overprice and failed (see hidden replies)

all the links you have provided sold within a few hours, please find some which are not consider quick sales :)

Hey! derpeh...found this link for you: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12732221

hope thats a convincing proof for you

and another one : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12664616

You'll need alot more links for a popular item like this, if anything you've countered yourself by providing so many links which have sold within a few hours at your suggested lower end...Not to mention some of your links are just repeated again

+20 links is enough for any item me think

Where again most had sold pretty quickly...

well you asked for a not "so young" proof i provided it very easy now what?

Please do not selectively read, firstly i said you need alot more proof as in valid proof. You've simply listed alot of quick sellers trades which sold within a few hours and of your so called 20+ links very very few are valid as the rest are all quick sales which AGAIN sold within a few hours.

Looks like you dun goofed

i was also selling strange grenade launchers http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12620667 both sold check the inventory etc the last one i am always away when the buyer msgs me and he says he bought it alraedy but i got like 5 offers they sell EASY. Your Eternal Reward on the other hand are impossible to sell. Maybe im selling it wrong who knows but for me its impossible to sell lol.

You can't lower an item's price with a few quicksales sold with unbumped trades with a tiny amount of views and in only a few hours, especially considering how much counter proof there is showing that if you are patient there are plenty of buyers for 4 keys.

well..you are saying that selling at 4 keys is simple and easy

explain why people take 8 hours and more to sell for less

Again selling within a few hours makes it a quick sale

Some proofs of unsuccessful sellers @4 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12702491 (3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12608608 (5 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12465019 (1 week)

now people will say: look at the counter proof !

i know its possible to sell @4 keys but takes time and a lot of time that's why people sell for less...any other mystery you want me to solve !?

Show ample proof that people more often fall down to sell it faster rather than just keep bumping it for less than a day; I have a problem selling a Craft #545 Breather Bag painted Lime, should the price go down for it? I would say no, because even if I have a problem selling it doesn't mean other people would.

its painted and painted items are hard to sell

Your links

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12702491 (3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12608608 (5 days) <-- sold off a while ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12465019 (1 week) <--- has 2 adds but he didnt respond :P

It's quite easy to sell for 4 keys as many many people have already pointed out :P and your again links which sell within a few hours arnt convincing

Successful buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12590631

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12038657

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11690532

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3632654

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10538828

Dont use quick buyers as proof because they resell at market price eg your first link resold them all here http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12776622 for 4 keys and successful

Unless you can show that quick buyers are overly successful it doesn't count as valid proof

Fix the range and get some more proof because your proof doesn't show many sale at 3.5

And also by looks counter proof>Your Proof

most of the counter proof is not sold yet that why people for less its hard to sell @4 keys

and what range do you suggest ?

I'd Suggest 3.7-4 or 3.8-4

this is pretty easy to sell for 4 keys, I sold mine for 4 keys, actually if you search on outpost for buyers and dig inside all the pile of crap of lowballers, resellers and sharks you can find people paying 4 keys for it, that's how I sold mine.

didn't find any buyer at 4 keys any proof about your sale ?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12599572 buyer for 4 keys+ 1 ref, also please consider that steam community as well as steam trading servers are having problems, now is so hard to login into outpost, most of the time the login server is down and above this trades are going down by the steam server's, it's very easy to bash items now and list alot of unsolds, please use common sense with this, people can't not even buy from outpost now, since the search item is restricted to logged users and steam trading servers are unstable.

I can post my trade too.

sorry that buyer don't bump his trade and he don't respond to his sellers

yeah he does not bump the ad because he already bought the Grenade launcher, that link is a proof that the demand for this even makes people pay more than 4 keys sometimes.

Proof of my trade:

http://i.imgur.com/CHZEwQq.png?1

dude...do you realize that you traded it in the last month ?

What I wanna show is that at least from June to now it has been always possible to find buyers for 4 keys , even at outpost, you know I wish my trade was more fresh but I don't like to mess with crate #19 with all that bullshit of having to pay 1 key for it with the possibility of still getting a 1 ref strange, well that's my two cents , the final decision is in the hands of the moderators..

it was possible to find a buyer...and crate #19 is going down..btw you're right the final decision is in the hands of the moderators

dude most of your 4 key sellers have already sold their grenade launchers you can't just make the price of it drop because they dont sell within a day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9900063 for 2 months trying to buy for 3 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12524649 (same guy sold for 5 keys )

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12850076 ( same person selling for 5 keys )

L1-3 keys is not in the range

L2-1 week old

L3- selling=/=sold

Seems like this case is complicated here is some more proofs :

Unsolds @4 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12728345 (3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12751196 (3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12735066 (3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12683394 (5 days) had an offer of 3 keys 2.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12256240 (2 weeks) changed his price from 5 keys

Sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12664616 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12852723 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12819460 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12826283 3 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12851740 3 keys 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12851927 3 keys 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12823016 3.8 keys

Close this already..using trade.tf as proof to lower lol

and trade.tf brings the trades from which site ?

The issue with trade.tf is that it tends to put a spotlight on quicksells while upper end sales are left invisible, creating the illusion that an item is 'only selling' at lower range or lower

not all of them are from trade.tf i don't usually use it because as you said most of them trades are quicksells

Close trade link please.

Most of your low end proof is sales at 3.6-3.8.

3.5 and less more like quicksell

Perhaps start with a more conservative drop.