Suggestion: Strange Diamond Botkiller Wrench Mk.I at 3.7–4 keys

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~6.22 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 29 Jul 13 22:35:51 +0000 by Horizon.

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Fixing the range to what it should have been since he had no proof of 3.5 keys. New Range comes from the only 2 confirmed sales I can find within the last couple weeks. How it passed without the proof being looked at by an admin is beyond me.

Before we go any further...Yes, I do have 2 of them. One is my personal self named wrench I won't be selling, the other is an above level 100 that I'm selling for above BP value and can also be seen on the classified or on my OP.

Sold:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12976154. Sold for 3 keys, 4 ref. Item history shows it moved hands.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12382970 Sold for 4 keys. Item history shows it moved hands.

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/Diamond%20Botkiller%20Wrench

1 at 3.5 keys. User also has an OP trade for it, but is underbumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13090359

3 at 4 keys.

A couple outliers on both sides.

Unsolds:

3.7 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13016542

4 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12880155

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12520195

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13094675

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12813709

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12971198

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10663624

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12974662 (Not auto-bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12764282

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12867862

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11704805 (Not auto-bumped)

The rest on OP are either severely underbumped, with strange parts, Special levels, or outliers trades that are over a month old with pricing that matched up with when the trade was made.

Any Feedback is welcome. If anyone has proof/counter-proof for these wrench sales, screenshots of them would be helpful as 3 pages on outpost, with most not being useful towards setting a real price.

What are you trying to prove?

Proving this is the correct range as I have proof of sales where the previous suggestion had nothing but unsolds at 4 keys, and quicksells that sold within a day at 3 keys.

Pretty sure I have proof of sales showing the range. Feel free to provide counter-proof if you feel this range is wrong. 4 keys has always been in the range, so not really sure what the issue here is.

What is your obsession with 4 keys? The price before was a solid 4 keys. It was incorrectly updated to 3.5-4 keys. The new price that the market reflects is 3.7-4 keys. 4 keys hasn't left the range or is being added to it. You're completely focusing on the wrong side of the range.

These are also all the valid trades currently up on outpost. The only other trades you'll find on the 3 pages there are collector's levels, ones with strange parts, or unbumped trades with no adds.

OWNS: 2

Smartie trying to raise his bp by 2.33 ref....

Funny what people will do for a few metal.

"Before we go any further...Yes, I do have 2 of them. One is my personal self named wrench I won't be selling, the other is an above level 100 that I'm selling for above BP value and can also be seen on the classified or on my OP."

Congratulations, you've successfully proven your illiterate.

He says as he spells "you're" wrong. :P

you have proof yourself about unsolds for 3.7 keys but you want it to be the minimum price?

There may have only been 1 sale at 3.7, but with only 3 pages on outpost of trades we can't ignore it. Unless all those unsold at 4 keys turn into solds, it seems like an alright range.

But then again, it is unnecessary to bump the minimum value while wrenches at 4keys (max value) remain unsold.

Sorry but for me it is a downvote

I don't understand. 3.5 keys has no sales, and 1 underbumped trade. 3.7 has sold and unsold. How can you sit there and tell me it doesn't need fixing when the last suggestion had 0 trades at 3.5 keys and passed fine?

I don't think this item needs a higher price, there's one for 3 and one for 3.5 on the classifieds.

Some more for under 3.7 on OP:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13147722 - 3 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13165163 - 3 keys 2 ref

Couldn't find any selling for 3.7, it seems people sell for 3,3.5 and some try for 4.

Sold > Selling. Those are also extremely young trades.

Furthermore, 3 key trade shows the wrench already sold, which I'm willing to bet was due to it being as 3 keys certainly isn't even close to the range.

I noted about the 3.5 key on classifieds and have the user's outpost trade in my original post, which is an underbumped trade with no attention. I'm assuming it's due to the tanks destroyed part, which honestly is pretty useless on there. If we really want to get technical, it shouldn't have been moved in the first place with plenty of sellers at 4. The only reason I'm not making it 4 is because I have proof of sales under it.

Also, we can't say the price should drop simply due to 1 or 2 ads when there's 3 pages of them on outpost saying otherwise. Especially with 0 proof of sales.

if lowering a price or providing counter proof for a price raise, selling is fine because it shows that people are willing to sell for below your suggested range. 1 is ~17 hours old, the other might be a quicksale as it sold < 4 hours.

See that's the issue I had with the last suggestion. He had 2 quicksells that sold within a couple hours at 3 keys, then 5-6 trades showing unsolds at 4. Frankly the price really shouldn't have even been touched to begin with, but I figure I might as well make it accurate if it's going to be lowered from it's previous.

As somebody who deals with this item quite extensively, I do not agree with this range at all (didn't really agree with the other one either, but it's more accurate than this one). Just my 2cents.

I see you quicksold one within the last few days. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12875910 for 3 keys 1 ref. But that hardly supports either of the ranges in question.

Couldn't sell this myself for 4 keys some time ago, and I doubt it is possible to sell it right now either. My suggestion failed as I had absotely no proof of sales, well literally there was noone interested in buying the shit, so there i had some lacking proof... Downboating

Could you link the trade you couldn't sell it with?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12976154 sold for 3.5 keys. range seems fine.

We can't quite price it off 1 trade when we have countless more at higher prices. Not to mention it still took him 5 days to sell it even with auto-bumping. As far as I'm aware, the original notes in his trade said 4 keys as well.

Also, 3 keys 3 ref would be 3.6 keys, not 3.5

well actually it's not just one trade: http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/Diamond%20Botkiller%20Wrench seller at 3 keys and another at 3.5 keys.

4 Key is Right Price

If you happen to have any pictures of any you've sold recently it would really help that out. The price shouldn't have been touched to begin with honestly, but I didn't have enough proof of sales to resubmit that since I haven't had any luck with more diamond wrenches. It's a shame this didn't happen a month ago so or since from my 60th-70th I ended up getting 3 wrenches and sold 2 of them for 4 keys each. But that was a while ago so I don't think that would do much.

Last suggestion had no proof of the low end and only 1 trade prooving 3.7 keys. Basically accepting this counter suggestion because the last one was bad.