Suggestion: Bill's Hat at 6.4–7 keys

People keep thinking bill's are a currency, its not, it is just a special hat you cant get anymore, its nice, but its dropping because keys are double what they were 1 year ago, so if you think right, its just balancing to what they were last year, upvote BTW.

I guess I really never thought of it that way.

I think Bill's are falling off of their status as a currency. You can't sell them on the market and don't have a special role like buds in the unusual trading.

And first of all, there are way too many of them in the economy.

Please use the forums to question moderator's decisions that you disagree with related to your suggestions. Making another suggestion and asking why the other one did not pass is not an appropriate measure if you are looking for an answer.

did you even click it ;_;

I love how every comment there is disliked below -5 except like 2 ;D.

anyways good suggestion here i see 6 keys getting into the range quite soon with all the buyers having success, but this sort of conservative bump down is better

upBOAT

I didn't care enough, though if I had to guess it was your troll suggestion that you made prior to leaving for your vacation. Please try to maintain a higher level of civility on "currency", or I suppose highly traded items, suggestions. There's a reason why cleverpun is warning people here even though there are other place it may be necessary. I would suggest removing your header, but your hour to edit is already up.

Who are you again?

btw upvert

why??????? just leave the price of the bill's hat!!!!! :'(

I'm almost certain that if I checked your backpack, you'd have a Bills somewhere.

Yeah... he does.

All of your Bill's at 6.7 keys or lower sold in less than a day. 6.7 should be the low end.

I get like 2 adds a day for white Bills for 7 or low-med tier paints around 6.2-6.4 so no. Don't forget the buyers.

Mmhmm. What is a quicksell for Bill's? When Bill's had a flat value of 8 keys they would sell in 8-24 hours. Most of the 6+3 and all at 6.4 have gotten sold in less than that. The one guy who took a full day at 6+3 had an add instantly but was too late.

Totally agree that range should be 6.7-7

Sigh* Sad to see the market thrown into a game of twister. Upvoted with a heavy heart.

So according to a fraction of bp.tf, you and me are some Mafia Bosses that go around bullying the Bill's owners. "Right well, if you two are done jokingly discussing about beating the hell out of this hat every time someone makes a move to liquidate it before the price drops again," For example. Isn't that funny?

Anyways, I closed my epic suggestion because yours is epicer, and I shall help you as I see this dropping myself. Feel free to take any of my proof off my suggestion(s). Upvote by the way.

baloo did have a good point though, this item deserves a cooldown time like with keys. made a topic about it in the forums http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/3204-bills-hat-cooldown/#entry33656

I respectively disagree. Here are some points by others at to why:

1. "Honestly I don't believe in cool downs. We should report accurate prices as much as we can at all times, that is the goal of the site. We can't control if people try to sell lower because they're afraid to lose value if it's on a down hill."

2. "Like keys, it is best to let this item find its natural demand lvl as soon as possible now that is no longer the trade currency it once was. It can be again once it gets there."

3. "mehh, bills has always been one of the few currencies that no one ever actually viewed as currency. Even when bills were pretty stable at 8 keys, i was still valuing them around 7+ a bit as i would any item."

4."meh bills have been overpriced for along time it basically doubled in price (usd terms) because people didnt want it to be lower than 8 keys and refused to accept that 8 key sales took a while :l"

5. "bills isnt currency anymore so this dosent really matter"

6. "The price will probably rise again when keys are getting cheaper. No wonder people can't sell this hat for keys when keys are so expensive. I hope key prices will drop soon as idling is dead. But it might take some time"

Hahahahaha, dude you really got your jimmies rustled by that comment, I guess. It was midnight and I was bored. I really don't care about the price of Bill's Hats, I know people are selling them for less. I just like trollin' on some suggestions. You seemed to react quite nicely :)

I posted my full explanation in the forums link, I apologize if you taking it too seriously xD

No I didn't... what?

Take some free proof.

Unsolds at high end:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12990375 2 weeks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13253883 1 week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13295830 1 week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13361134 5 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13396711 4 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13396315 4 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13422396 3 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13401878 3 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13401409 3 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13446296 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13444372 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13446302 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13454921 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13481581 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13482462 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13482194 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13479230 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13457818 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13485004 22 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13487828 20 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13491195 15 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13493152 13 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13500589 8 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13506975 3 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13511101 1 hour

...and so on.

Unsolds/solds at lower than high end:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13510635 6 keys 3 ref, 2 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13364857 6 keys 4 ref, 5 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13369808 6 keys 4 ref, 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13511101 6 keys 4 ref, 3 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13498710 6 keys 4.66 ref, 9 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13501766 6 keys 5 ref, 7 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13505899 6 keys 5 ref, 4 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13510268 6 keys 5 ref, 1 hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11744830 6 keys 5 ref, 1 month

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13366440 6 keys 5.33 ref, 1 day

Sellers (mostly unsold) at high end with paint:

After Eight

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13406334 (I used to own it, hehe)

Pink As Hell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13453031 (Used to own this too, hehe)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13484112

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13505714

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13466868

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13461037 (sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13485157 (sold)

The Bitter Taste of Defeat and Lime

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13074880 (poorly bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13378067 (poorly bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13491022

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13507440

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13497806 (sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13467810 (sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13459658 (sold)

Team Spirit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13495589 (6 keys 2 ref?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13504850

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13506426 (sold)

...and so on. You get the point. You can find higher tier paints at 7 keys :)

Successful buyers below market price (usually 6-6.5):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13251261 (yay me :D)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13447771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8222651

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13073717

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13470088

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9904541

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13406786

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13433345

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13276362

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5148523

...and so on.

Think this guy just gave you your slam dunk on this bills suggestion (y)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13336718 sold for 6.5 also and the classifieds got more under 7 key sellers.

He just keeps on going :D

22 hours and under are to young to be seen as proof, otherwise, seems stable now when the time has passed. Gotta say though, lots of banned phisers!

NOICE proof, upvoted. :D

I never thought the Bills would actually go beyond 7 keys.

8 keys pure

I'm not sure if 6.4 keys is justified yet. It may be a little premature. Can you find current, open sellers for +2 ref or even +3 ref?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13552194

I sold pretty fast, might be lucky, staying neutral for now

6.4 ??? What range is it, Use .25 .50 .75 ...........

http://puu.sh/3ZeEL.png

We have a nifty feature for figuring out what certain values mean.

Bill's Are Impossible to sell at 7 keys so I definitely agree with this!

(Upvote)

Gotta agree and upvote. I managed to buy 3 bill's hat for 6 keys each with a little effort and time whereas I haven't been able to sell them for 7 keys each with a twice larger effort and time.

REALLY don't want to upvote this, but you got some good proof. Like the people also said, it's status is no longer of much importance in TF2 trading as far as higher-up purchases (buds, unusuals, etc...) go...

kritops 8 keys

Here's to provide a little more proof for you:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13543038

i agree with you dude

Sigh.....upvote :D

Personally i dont understand why people like this hat, im my opinion, its like a team captain but better looking and costs way more, i would pay 5.5 keys to 6 keys in total for a bill's, it's just a hat, but HAT SIMULATOR 1999 is based around hats right?

Bill's gonna be spinning in his grave if we don't appreciate his sacrifice.

Upvote anyways lololol

~~People are just upvoting cuz they see other upvotes whywhywhy~~

No, I can see that Bills have lost their standing recently. Keys are rising, but once the barrier of 8 keys was broken, well, either way KMD, The links look good.