Suggestion: Earbuds at 21.5–22 keys

I've been following the Earbuds market for the past couple of weeks, I must say all below 22 keys were quicksell, but we are coming to a point where 21+4/5 ref is not that easy to sell anymore. Most of the sellers @ TF2op is 22keys.

First suggestion is for Earbuds? So brave

It's been a trend lately.

So.. how's em aeroplane food? dem peanuts

For a change on a currency like this you'd need way more proof, and buds haven't ever in backpack history had a fraction in their value.

I agree with Pyroman, when attempting to change a currency, a lot more proof is needed that your average suggestion.

The 20-21 key classifides are all gifted :x

The price range on this suggestion is accurate as it can get, atm. However, if this gets accepted then we will get points hungry suggesters suggesting stupid ranges such as 21.25, 21.35, 21.65, 21.75 etc etc ranges on Bud which I think would be very annoying. Just for this reason I shall downvote.

oke apparently your range is more accurate, so there ya go.

http://i.imgur.com/esikH1F.png <-- TONS at 21.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13495510 20

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13470143 20

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13483612 21

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9694754 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13500673 120 ref ~21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13504177 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13463090 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13461002 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13474061 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13472174 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13509104 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13507041 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13506694 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13505976 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13505169 21

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13505794 21+1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13490841 21+2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13488793 21+2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13461451 21+2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13485483 21+2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13479160 21+2

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9693791 21+3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13504495 21+3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13486416 21+3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13485350 21.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13510775 21.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13482091 21.5

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9694569 21.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13476026 21+4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13479469 21+4

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9692649 21+4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13470498 21+4

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9694757 21+4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13486302 21+4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13499850 21+5

Enjoy.

Downvoted, buds should not be decreased even more, since it is ruining the tf2 economy

Why exactly do you think it's ruining the tf2 economy?

This would be a bigger deal when buds had a exact price like bills hats, but hasn't been that way for awhile.

Keys go up.

bills go down.

buds fluctuate.

and the world keeps on spinning.

The steam market is where its at right now, Buy cancer effects sell them on the steam market make a couple keys or a game, buy new hat with a mid to low offer and do it all over again

And I heard that when buds were introduced they sold at a mere price of 3 keys. Was the economy fucked up then too?

Buds were so little back then because they weren't rare, any person who had a mac during the promotion got one.

It's more that they are dated and through time became a currency since more couldn't be gotten, like bills. But lately with the key fuck, nothing is a stable currency. Hence the fluctuations.

lol key fuck? are you sure? keys were 1 ref a long time ago and then it went to 2.66 ref as the TF2 community grew and now it again went up as the community went up.

I'd say the economy is far better. A newbie starting the game can now afford everything, and does not have to be bullied/sharked/scammed. Buds cost 21 keys to buy, bill's 6 keys, 5 craft hats easily for a key. What do you need more? There is more value for your money.

I thought when you get more for your money the economy is actually doing good !!!!. Perhaps I read different books :(

All those price ranges hurt my brain, can't believe you think those are the current value.

Also value for your money is a terrible way of describing things, value is based on how much what you have is worth, not how much it was worth.

"All those price ranges hurt my brain, can't believe you think those are the current value."

The prices are meant to show that the rise in key prices is not a new thing. It happened as things changed and is happening again.

"Also value for your money is a terrible way of describing things, value is based on how much what you have is worth, not how much it was worth."

If people were to look at things like your perspective then no one would have ever bought a car in their life, it's depreciation for the first year is a killer 30% XD.

When you buy things you always look what is the best thing your money can get you or how many things your money can get you. When you sell things you look at how much your stuff is worth. In this game an average trader buys keys and looks to sell them to see what all he can get. Mind you all those grey market came from steam only. The people who spend $2.50 or whatever value in their country to buy keys from steam and put it in market is getting more value for their money and that is called a good economy. I wonder what economy is to you?

Depreciation is a crucial part of economy and all those things which come for free or we purchase them of a currency are meant to be depreciated.

Hawk Eye, I think you should consider being an economist for CNN Money.

NiceAss, I just hate how people winge about things that they do not understand and try to corrupt other newbies' minds.

And I am mechanical engineer by trade,and I am happy with my consultants job. I get to show many what they have and what they should look at. Show them the bright side of things. I get to show them however much little, everything is important.

Sorry, not CNN Money. Antiques Roadshow sound about right. They also show people what their items are worth.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/

I doubt keys or buds are antiques though.

Its already ruined....

lol? The economy isn't ruined because buds are gonna drop a half a key, and its not currently ruined either whether you think that because the price of keys increasing relative to refined or buds decreasing relative to keys. Prices are never stagnant in an economy, and if they are, then that's an actual sign of a possible issue.

You can still fairly easily sell buds for 22 keys. http://puu.sh/3ZTLo.png

This? Really? To change a currencies price this is the amount of proof you give us. I mean you don't have NEAR enough to say this is what the Buds price should be. Downvote, sorry.

Hi,

Your comment on 21+4/5 is not easy to sell anymore. I have sales that would prove otherwise over the past week.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13552652 -22 keys 37 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13519540 -22 keys 119 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13498171 -22 keys 33 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13443271 -22 keys 42 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13404837 -22 keys 197 views (changes in prices, so views are increased until it sold at 22)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13390344 -22 keys 70 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268620 - 22 keys 16 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13198092 -23 keys 266 views (short history and non-duped)

22 on the high end is easy to get.

21 on the low end is just as easy with all my buds I sold were purchased at 21. If there are sellers at 21.5 keys, then why would 21 be considered a quick sell? 3 ref is not a big difference, maybe the range should be 21-22?

Downvote, most of the 20-21 keys are gifted buds + to change a currency like this one you need way more proof for. This is just my opinion but as I can see in the comments there are more people here that has the same though.

I sold 4 earbuds (for 22 keys each) after 10 hours the trade was opened. Previous sells for 22 takes 1 day maximum.

I guess all the proof provided so far makes it possible for me to upvote safely

I'm positive about this passing.

you need a ton more proof.

Earbuds are traded for so much, that backpack.tf cannot simply show where the sales happen, but more so shows where the trend is headed. That's why when you check the timeline graph you won't find any price that does not contain whole key increments in the change.

tl;dr fractional increments hasn't worked and this won't be the first.

And yet I don't think anyone wouldn't agree that this range is more accurate than the current one.

But if this range get approved then we shall start seeing some ridiculous ranges on buds viz. 21.15, 21.35 etc etc.

Fair point. Obviously those wouldn't be passed and I think .5 is different but that still would spark an increase in the number of buds suggestions. So you have convinced me either way. Leaving whole numbers sort of automatically forces a cooldown period.

I am glad you are convinced, but what matters would be if the moderator making the decision on this is convinced or not.

Aha you are the moderator now, so there you go.

This suggestion has enough proof for 21 flat to be in the range. There is already another suggestion for 21-22 right now. Historically, Earbuds have never had a price with decimals in it.

You have a very nice suggestion here, but for the reasons listed above, I'm going to have to downvote. Sorry :/

But still, cheers on the very nice suggo!

http://i.imgur.com/lE2ne3h.png

That add and trade happened literally within a minute of me posting my trade.

21 keys is quicksell.

21.5 - 22 keys is accurate.

I agree with this price, not the 21-22 suggestion.

basically what everyone else is saying plus this.

Earbuds do not NEED to change. However minor it may be you need so much moreproof.

Downvoting due to lack of proof...

Nice change, a lot more proof added, upvote.

Need a lot more proof of Unsold at 22 Keys for a change

i think it is a really good suggestion and if 21.5-22 is closer to the correct range then 21-22, then i dont care if historically it has always been an integer number

but then again i don´t see any point in pricing buds on backpack.tf, since u got tf2finance and also lots of buds get traded for irl cash so getting a complete overview of the market situation means maybe 20% outpost, 80% price is made elsewhere--vote neutral

look at all the proof he provided at 21.5 in that above comment^

it doesnt sell for 22 striaght anymore. 21.5 isn't the quicksell, the quicksell is 21.

I'm upvoting.

Without evidence, you cannot generalize what is going on in the market.

1)21.5 minus 21 keys is 3 ref. when you consider the price of buds, 3 refined (.93-1.05$) is not a big difference and therefore 21 should not be considered a quick sell price.

2)My proof above shows my sales at 22 keys and one at 23 keys. From my point of view sales at 22 are easy. Therefore I provided proof and hopefully more people come out with evidence of 22 keys and 21 keys on the low end. 21.5 on the low end is not showing the market transactions appropriately.

22 keys is still in the range

I've had difficulty selling buds at 22 keys; therefore, I've sold buds at 21 keys and 3 ref. The slight decrease in buds is a result of the increase in price of keys.

Why would you even decrease buds even more...

Stop buying keys if you want them to stop increasing then.

tell that to the many who cash buds for keys.

I think I need more proof of sellers to make it 21.5-22. It's a promo and currency for unusuals, you'll need WAY more proof for me to consider an upvote. For now, I'll downvote.

I'm going to stay neutral because I see alot of sales at 22 and it's a currency after all so I think alot of proof is needed

Reposting proof from previous post

http://i.imgur.com/fRSvwHk.png

http://i.imgur.com/aXBvAGr.png

http://i.imgur.com/tYWlvnO.png

http://i.imgur.com/7tpMRp2.png

http://i.imgur.com/rrGu3Rv.png

http://i.imgur.com/knHfl9S.png

http://i.imgur.com/qX0Hoko.png

http://i.imgur.com/Wk4mrPc.png

All of them sold for 22.

For every bud sold at 21.5 there are 100's of them being sold for 22.

22 is still in the range. Cha Ching !!!!!!!

i sold 1 for 22 ( http://imgur.com/CT9jS5m ). I missed 2 other trades earlier when i was sleeping. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13552307

ya i go with you dude they need to lower bud cost cuz of keys going up

Funny , you just sold 2 of your buds :P

Can I just say that due to keys increasing about 1 scrap (0.11 ref per key) each in the past week with no bud change, this must effectively equal a drop in bud value (not necessarily retailed price). The 0.11 ref per key given for 22 keys on a bud value should equal a 2.4 ref decrease in bud price, reflected in this 21.5 bud range suggestion.

I've seen lots of buds selling at 22 keys, I've even seen some sell at over 22, up to 25, so I think that a price decrease is not necessarily in order.

lol...21.5. But, good proof. UPVOTE

Few for 21.3 keys http://i.imgur.com/59LDNo1.png?1

half a key? kind of a waste of time

Half a key atm is close to 3 refined. I do not see how 3 refined is a waste of time.

3 ref is not a big difference when considering the cost of buds. I think that is his point he is trying to make.

I am sorry but I do not agree. I get many people who are buying for the bud for the first time or are tight on budget. Every scrap matters to them dude. Just because it is a bud does not mean anything.

Doesn't matter if the buyer is new or old, either you have the keys or you don't. If you spend your keys, you are not sacrificing anything in order to purchase the bud. So I don't know how someone can have a tight budget on virtual items. Ex of a tight budget: You eat in instead of eating out because you have a rent payment due: that's a tight budget.

And because it is a bud, the 3 ref isn't as significant as it is on an other items.

3 ref difference in bud price is about 2.3% of the total price of the bud (22k).

3 ref difference in key price is about 50% of the total price of the key (5.88ref).

3 ref difference in bills price is about 7.4% of the total price of a bills (7k).

The point is that 3 ref is only a small percentage of the total value and has less significance than a 3 ref difference in a key. So thank you for the dislike when I was pointing out mathematical facts.

You are very kind to teach me mathematics. Still 2.3% is a big number to me. I made my backpack stacking every 0.11 - 3 ref I made trading buds and other items. And I shall still say 3 ref matters alot to the needy, in this case people buying buds.

Thanks again for the dislike. I made my bp in the same manner. Anybody that has 20+ extra keys to spend on buds is not needy.

wow I got warned for expressing my opinion crazy stuff

upvoted, it needs a change.

What I couldn't sell any of my buds i had for 22, i eventually got 21.5 derp

I agree. It was impossible to sell mine for 22 keys

Well I think the only reason why they put it up that price is because there duped and some may not be. You have good proof but i Don't know when i see the player that sell it for that price there usually duped. I mean i've been looking at people earbuds in backpack.tf who are selling it for 20-21.5 and I had no luck finding someone that sell's it for that price that doesn't have it duped.But I don't mind if its duped but its only the players that go crazy with the whole duped and some players really don't care/wanna make profit outta the duped earbud.so for now Im going to upvote because I agree with you with that price but people selling it for that price are duped and some may not but It's usually hard to tell.But i still agree with you with the price im a bud seller my self too and the price of 21.5-22keys sounds like a great price to put up the earbuds Sooo UPVOTE :3. I mean people are afriad of duped earbuds to think there worthless but i think it doesn't really matter cuz duped earbuds are usually rare (well i really don't think so). But that's my opinion that people sell it for that price but i could be wrong i could be right so there not really much of a big deal I still agree with you with the price im going to sell my earbuds for 21+3 ref.right now

Yeah, don't use me as evidence. And don't use~20 trades to represent the whole market.

Ive been spamming a lot in trade servers that im buying earbuds for 21 keys with no sucess, everyone wanted 22, ive even made a trade in op and no one added me for 21. So prices under 22 are for people who wants to sell them quickly for pure keys + metal or buyers who wants to profit a bit. I dont think is a good idea to put it in range because 22 still works very good for expensive stranges / unusuals / promos, even for people who wants to wear them not thinking in profits.

I would disagree. I find it very easy to find for 21 keys. Both of my these trades were completed within the past 15 hours with adds right after bumping (consider 7 hours of sleeping time during the 15 hours) and this has been an ongoing trend for the past week and a half. I don't believe I am THAT LUCKY to find 2-4 buds per day for 21 keys and turn around and sell them for 22 keys with all those traders out there on outpost.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13675994- 14 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13667169- 9 views

The range should be there to represent the market activities and if there is evidence of an abundance of buds being purchased for 21 keys, then that should be reflected in the price range. The moment the high or low end becomes difficult to attain, then it's time for a re-evaluation.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13686232- 1 hour 2 bumps,7 views. bought for 21.

I can provide info like this all day everyday. The trade should be closed and a new suggestion for 21-22 keys should be introduced.

WHYYYYYY they were stabilized for so long ;'(

They aren't now though. If they still were stable at 22 keys, then this suggestion wouldn't have been made. There are buds going up in the classifieds for 21-21.5 keys daily for the past week and a half. The difference is the rate at which they're bought up at that amount has slowed.

let me feel happy pls.

Puppies. Feeling special yet?

my puppy is laying right next to me... you scare me ;c

Let it be known that I don't even make that many trades at 21 keys, maybe once a day, and I'm one all day. To be honest, I don't agree with this suggestion, mainly because that is NOT the market price. Look up something called arbitration.

buds are currency, sellable on the market does not mean it is currency.

if your dealing ith unusuals, people say looking for X buds all the time, buds is used as a trading item.

there is also a good reason that votes are not always regarded.

they also say keys, it doesnt change the fact that voting doesnt matter its up to an admin

yes, and there are good reasons for that.

for one alot of people vote looking at how many suggestions one has accepted, and not at the proof.

What then, is the point of people voting at all?

This is a sad joke. Regardless of why people are voting the way they do, their votes should be as valid as that of any other user. Since 1 sale is not enough to change a price... why should one opinion ( that often clashes with the collective voice of the "community" ) have that power ?

Seems like a Dislike armada is following everyone in this suggestion.

Not me, I have 80+ upvotes :D

now i have -3 downvotes :(

It's an emotional roller coaster here...

MAH NAME :D

there is like 100 k of these, so i agree with the price

Trying to sell for 21 keys 3 ref (21.5 keys), lets see...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13665222

I think they should increase the price of buds.. It's getting to low now, It's just going to get lower in the matter of weeks people should be selling them for a higher price

that's not how the economy works

I don't know what you guys are complaining about.

The suggestion isn't for 21 keys, it's for 21.5.

IM THINKING YOU NEED MORE LINKS FOR CURRENCYYYYY

My God , serious thought is going into this.

"Posted 6 days ago by ★ d0 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)"

wat r u doin modz, please make dis stop.

Nobody wants to accept it becuase its breaking the trend of only accepting whole key increments. Oh well