Suggestion: Strange Sapper at 6 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13828617 - Sold at least 2 for 6, someone posted added, check his bp and you'll see he bought from this guy and also if you check item history of sapper shown in trade it shows someone else

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12814661 - Untaken offer of Strange PDA + 2, Strange PDA was 4.5 - 5 at the time which makes the offer 6.5 - 7

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5162605 - Untaken offer of Wrapped Lime Summer Shades + Lime Merc's Muffler which is ~7 (pre-wrapped summer shades - 4, gift wrap - 1, lime paint - 1 and merc's muffler - 1 - 1.2, i added up 0.5 keys for each painted instead of 1)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9239819 - Same as above ^^^

Only 2 at classifieds for less than 6

Some do sell for less than 6 but most sell for 6 and most get offers of ~6 and decline anything less

Untaken offers shoudn't be taken into consideration considering the amount of people selling below 6 keys right now. The current range is fine, 5 keys is a quicksell and this item gets regurarly sold between the range, no need to change it unless you provide me solid proof that 5.5 is a quicksell.

My Counterproof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13684060 (2weeks at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14011864 (1day at 5keys4ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14019310 (almost a day at 5keys2ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14035790 (7 hours at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13905230 (5days at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14027053 (13hours at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13956848 (3 days at 5.5keys, current low-end)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14039041 (5 hours at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13993026 (1day at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13941253 (3days at 5keys2ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14014045 (1day at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14010080 (1day at 5keys4ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13955973 (3days at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13986314 (3days unsold at unknow price, between 5-6 anyway)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13931851 (4days unsold at 6, owner may consider 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13831914 (sells for 5keys4ref, out of stock)

Getting 6 keys it's still possible, for that its still in the range, you can't ignore the people selling for less.

untaken and declined offers of 5.5 - 6 shows that some won't sell for lower and that some really offer high end, when i looked through op i found about 4 trades of less than 6 and 2 in classifieds so i thought 5.5 isn't really happening, other guy gave many links that sold instantly which is why i didn't close

Now to your counter-proof:

L1 - Seems legit, probably bad luck

L2 - 1 day which is young so if it sells soon it can still be considered quicksell

L3 - Young but below 5.5 so seems legit

L4 - 12 hours old and 3 hours ago was last bump, if it sells soon it'll be a quicksell

L5 - Sold (in 3 days it had added comment that says keep it for me)

L6 - Has an offer of Strange Holy Mackeral (4.5) + 2 which is 6.5 or at least 6 after item overpay

L7 - I'd say legit but in description he says liquidating everything in my bp which means he's trying to quicksell everything in his bp

L8 - Posted 10 hours ago, last bump 9 hours ago, if it sells fast it's a quicksell

L9 - Sold in less than a day

L10 - Sold

L11 - Posted 1 day ago, last bumped 1 day ago, SOLD

L12 - 5 keys 4 ref, which is 5.66 keys, posted 1 day ago, last bump 1 day ago, SOLD

L13 - Last bump 1 day ago, which means if you search it you'll have to look at the last page or something, not a valid unsold

L14 - Posted 2 days ago, last bumped 2 days ago, SOLD

L15 - Posted 4 days ago, last bump 3 days ago, which makes it hard to find and also "looking for 6 pure may consider 5.5", he might consider it only because it's still in range

L16 - Out of stock at 5.66, posted 1 week ago, last bump 1 week ago, which means it also sold very quickly

So out of 16 links, 7 sold, some are invalid because of being too young or unbumped and 1 has an offer of 6 - 6.5 (4.5 strange + 2 keys, 6 - 6.5 cause of item overpay)

Which means half of your counter-proof sold/got a good offer and out of other 8 about half is invalid, unlike the other guy, you made me think about closing, but i'm keeping it because in the end, most of your counter-proof isn't correct, people can sell whatever they want for whatever price they want but as long as they sell really fast (like almost every 5.5 seller) it shouldn't be in range/price

Probably mods will keep this suggestion up for some days for have a better look at the given proof, expecially young trades.

Still, I do not want to see untaken offers, but actual sales, there are people selling for less, and it is a fact, and there are MANY unsolds for DAYS on outpost at the price of 6 keys.

Of course I'm not saying 6 keys is impossible, just that there are many unsolds at under 6 keys, and I don't see the reason why this should increase...

And also, I am going to provide some more proof of people selling for less, and unsolds at 6 keys.

Selling for less than 6:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14071798 (2hours at 5.5keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14016225 (sapper+sweets for s.f. sandvich, which is 6)

+ the others I listed above and 2 people selling in the classifieds.

Unsolds at 6 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14022290 (1day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13613805 (2weeks)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13997974 (2days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14040356 (1day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14014467 (1day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13961449 (3days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11850824 (2months)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14003122 (2days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13642060 (2weeks)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14019819 (1day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13918256 (5days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13412019 (3weeks)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14018765 (1day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13998165 (2days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13988320 (2days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14016225 (1day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13972991 (3days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13978166 (3days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13928572 (5days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13911561 (6days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13884381 (1week)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13850447 (1week)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13760188 (1week)

Right now op isn't working for me so i can't exactly comment on anything but i'll take a closer look once it works fine

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14030811 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14026942 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14025559 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13994199 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14016130 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14014484 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14019310 5.3 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14035790 5.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14027053 5.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14014222 5.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14012530 5.5 keys

If anything these are going down, not up.

And?

This suggestion is saying that it's impossible to buy at 5.5. Obviously the 5 key ones are quicksales, but with sellers selling for lower, the suggestion is invalid.

ALL your 5 keys which are even below low end sold in seconds, that's considered quicksell so this won't go down, you found some quicksells that's nice but still quicksells shouldn't affect price

Your 5.3 seems legit but it's pretty new, it will probably sell really soon

2/4 5.5 already sold in no time, 1 in less than an hour and another one in less than a day

So in conclusion i have some links showing people declined 5.5 - 6 and sell for 6 and have offers of 6+ and so far the counter-proof is few quicksells and 3 valid links (that are all few hours old and might sell in the next few hours and still be counted as quicksells), if you'll find more i might close but right now i can see 3 valid links and i find my proof better than that

Well first, there are 3 on classies for less than 6 keys, out of 6 listings. one of the 6 key sellers has been trying for 6 days.

http://imgur.com/79L75v9

And some more....

http://bazaar.tf/trade/391870 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13986314 5 keys unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14014045 relisted at 5.5 keys unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14011986 1:1 G Ap-Sap (4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13993026 5.5 keys unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13983530 sold 2 for 5.5 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13981421 was going to take offer of 5.4, but guy bought somewhere else

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13956848 "low end"

Now, of your proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13771248 unsold for 11 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13517152 old, unsold still

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13950139 -pretty legit. This guy should take the 5 keys 5 ref and run

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6004968 nearly ten months old? Come on.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12307037 nearly 2 months old. Not sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13324901 offer is 2 weeks old.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13862822 looks legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13828617 looks legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12814661 offer is 12 days old, remains unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5162605 also nearly 10 months old, offer was 2 weeks ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9239819 no offers since 19 August.

Still a solid downvote here.

Classifieds were 2 the time i posted and i wrote that

First Section - ALL SOLD IN LESS THAN A DAY except your "low end" which is trying to quicksell his backpack, it's written in comments, again most of your 5.5 or lower are selling in less than a day, that's a quicksell and also except of your 5.4 keys, that guy also offered at 5.85 on 2 different trades that i included in my proof

My proof, all unsolds are never mentioned as solds, but as trades with untaken/declined offer of 5.5 or above

Anything that is old i used recent of 2 weeks or more recent offers, since price is 3 weeks old even 2 weeks is recent enough

Every proof i double checked it, if i say untaken/declined just go down, search for some offers until you find the offer i'm talking about and you'll see

You bring many trades of less but they all sell so fast, most of them are already sold and less than a day, does that means sapper should stay at 5.5 - 6? if it sells so fast at 5.5 and some are willing to pay 6 or more it shouldn't have 5.5 in range

upvote, just sold one for 6 keys in 2 days and these types of stranges do better with a set number than with a range

Here's Dynatoi's link - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14011088

It sold for 6 in 1 day by he trade, he claims 2 days (also pretty fast), if you don't believe me check history and backpacks

hey, thanks! I was too lazy to dig that up

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11693607 - offer of 6 pure (he bought for 6 pure from this guy - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14019819)

If you don't believe me check the backpack of the one who offered

up voting looks good after reading all the comments

You didn't read them well then.

your "counter-proof" is 3 or 4 solid links and many quicksells

Punisher's counter-proof is yours + 2 or 3 links and rest as well, quicksells

So in conclusion my proof is still more than both of your counter-proof, why is that? because almost every single link you 2 showed has sold, most in less than a day

And also 1 or 2 links that hasn't sold in a while because they're unbumped, also invalid

You 2 have about 6 links that sell for 5.5 keys and are opened for more than a day or 2 and still unsold with no good offers

So in the end, my proof is more

~~Upvote guz i own one~~

I actually don't know about this. Staying neutral

Sorry, way too much counter proof in this one. Downvote for me.

I literally just sold one for 5.5 keys within seconds. Im not sure however. Staying neutral.

Counterproof in comments, it's still possible to get for less than 6 keys