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Please read all before voting. OMG, 10 KEYZ UNZUSUAL. 4 Month Old Price.
Sales:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10848003 ----> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10986533
Sold for a Green Black Hole Salty Dog (~5.3 Buds) O.O, this person probably sharked the buyer. The username is Pandoracle. REPORT TOOO STEAMMMM REP nOWWWW TO GETT HIMMMM MARKEEDDD UP.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10831973 - Sold for 10 Keys.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10621207 - Sold for a Nut n' Bolts Sober Stuntman (~11 Keys) + a Strange SMG = ~11.5 Keys
Legit Trades:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13852040
Offer of 11 Keys Pure and 10 Keys Pure.
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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13099980
Offer of 10 Keys...
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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13793067
Offer of 10 Keys + Sweets.
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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13722272
Offer of 11 Keys.
CONCLUSION:
Just not seeing anything, sales or offers above 11 Keys. Lowest Sale is 10 Keys, so that will be the low range. Highest Range would be 11 Keys due to the multiple sales and offers at that value.
10 key unusual, that's actually impressive. Poor souls who unbox this.
Lmao. Well said my boy.
the 10 key sale was 3 months ago, seems pretty long ago
Its not that long ago, plus the last suggestion was 4 months ago, so its still valid.
'• ✖ DO NOT use outdated proof. How old is outdated? That can vary from unusual to unusual, depending on how rare it is and how often it is traded. A good length of time is 1 month. Try not to provide proof older than 1 month if at all possible.'
directly from the good unu suggestion post
Not to be rude, but I have more Unusual Suggestions passed then you. Why don't you take your time and read this.
• ✓ DO find confirmable past sales. TF2Outpost and TF2Items let you see the trading histories of many items, including unusuals. Dig into the past and find offers on past listings that are by future owners of the hat. If you cannot find any written offers, try looking at the histories of promos and other unusuals traded around the time by both owners to see if they were traded between those owners of the hat you are researching. But remember that this method may not tell you ALL that was traded. Just use some common sense; a burning flames noble was not just traded for a vivid plasma one! Something else was added.
✓ DO highlight the offers you are focusing on in the links you provide and clarify your proof much as possible. Do not just slap up a few links to trades and say that a price should be raised/lowered. Explain why you settled on the range you suggestion and point out the offers and sales that led you to your decision. Try to mention if the offers are in pure, unusuals, items, or mixed. Doing this saves the moderators time and allows them to spend less time researching individual suggestions.
not to be rude, but I have voted on more suggestions and have been more accurate than you
3 months is too old. not gonna try arguing with you because it's like headbutting a brick wall. but you, sir have my downvote!
Accurate huh. Ooo voting. Not doing any of the hard work in suggestions. Have fun breaking your skull and losing rep.
I always thought you were a nice guy from your profile. guess not, blocked you, not that you'll care because you're such a manly internet man.
May I point out that the 10 key sale was in May?
In addition, the person who sold for 10 keys is very inexperienced.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10831072
Just... the amount of BS in the first post's statement. Not yours, the guy in the link I just posted.
May I point out that 3 Months from today = June not May. May I also point out that I have no idea what you are talking about?
Is the hat rare? Nah.
Is the hat hard to sell? Not terribly.
Proof should be within a month, possibly 1.5, on a heavy nuts hat, but nothing more. 1 of 1s etc can use old proof, there's some explaining on the PE KE suggestion, I think.
The hat is somewhat rare cause there are only 3 on the market.
The hat is pretty hard to sell. Its a heavy hat + N & B.
The mods seem fine with 3 month old proof, as long as it doesn't go past the last suggestion date.
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5226761d4f96f4a16b8b4568
Tiny cancer unusuals are easier to sell than, say, heavy eo fire hats. There are people who just want cheap unusuals. The fact that 3 are on the market of the 31 that stats.tf can track means it does sell fairly quickly. That number also means it is not rare. You yourself have 7 links up there.
• ✖ DO NOT use outdated proof. How old is outdated? That can vary from unusual to unusual, depending on how rare it is and how often it is traded. A good length of time is 1 month. Try not to provide proof older than 1 month if at all possible.
Cancer's still traded a lot among people who are starting out.
Lots of the links in the suggestion you linked me are within a month, and the ones that are older are not defining a piece of your range, and as such can be considered "minor proofs", showing that a hat has gone for/had buyouts of the same price in the past.
Just doing my job, I have more Unusual Knowledge Bro.
• ✓ DO find confirmable past sales. TF2Outpost and TF2Items let you see the trading histories of many items, including unusuals. Dig into the past and find offers on past listings that are by future owners of the hat. If you cannot find any written offers, try looking at the histories of promos and other unusuals traded around the time by both owners to see if they were traded between those owners of the hat you are researching. But remember that this method may not tell you ALL that was traded. Just use some common sense; a burning flames noble was not just traded for a vivid plasma one! Something else was added.
✓ DO highlight the offers you are focusing on in the links you provide and clarify your proof much as possible. Do not just slap up a few links to trades and say that a price should be raised/lowered. Explain why you settled on the range you suggestion and point out the offers and sales that led you to your decision. Try to mention if the offers are in pure, unusuals, items, or mixed. Doing this saves the moderators time and allows them to spend less time researching individual suggestions.
Yes, and you have to factor everything in.
Don't play the "more knowledge" card, I've got more accepted suggestions, and my backpack is worth the same as yours on this site even when I've cashed out 900 bucks and my hats have been devalued 3 buds by the system.
All of the mods are offline, but I'll have one of them talk about it when they come back.
Look I'm not here to fight, but I'm just saying that my suggestion is perfectly valid.
Plus "those 7 Links" were me digging into the past, but not too far to find sales AND offers.
The only thing supporting a 10 keys low end (which is always a quicksale) is a 4 month old sale by some inexperienced trader.
Two nuts sola topis have been sold for 10 keys by MrWatch if you want to update those.
Unusuals, man. You have 22, I've got 50.
Its not a quicksale if the person agrees to sell it at that price and their trade does not say "quicksale." Plus that is not the only thing. Others are not willing to offer above 11 Keys. Why don't you stop arguing with me and actually find some counterproof?
EDIT: "Don't play the "more knowledge" card, I've got more accepted suggestions"
I have 64 Suggestions Passed, you have 50. What was that you were saying?
Since I can't reply to his response to you, I'll put it here. Just because they don't say its a quicksell doesn't mean it wasn't a quicksell. If I listed a Burning TC for 100 buds but didn't say it was quicksell, it still would be a quicksell.
Also, that 10 key trade was 3+ months ago. Trades well over a month are too old to use to price an unusual.
The only way to counterprove a low end is to show that it was an outlier. Quicksales do not have to say "quicksale", that is simply something the more experienced traders do to make it sell faster (people look into the price, realize they can make some profit, not many people know the exact pricing of every hat off of the top of their head and estimation can be risky). He was a new trader who didn't know what he was doing. 11 keys is a fine flat range, but you need to have more proof of 10 keys. One sale, four months ago, by a newb, for an amount that any hat can sell for in 7 minutes, is not enough proof.
Look through his past trades. "Add me / don't add me" flicker on and off between them,
He's got stuff like this going on: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11000451
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10830469
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10582632
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10571747 (he can't even reply to an unhidden comment and instead replies to his own trade.)
How do you know he was a newb? Just because he hasn't donated to the site doesn't mean his sale does not count as proof. Plus did you even read the other part of my suggestion?
To your comments below, you claimed to have more unusual knowledge. I have 28 more passed unusual suggestions than you do. I do not update non-unusual items.
v They're offline :P
Ok, I'm not going to fight anymore. Let the mods decide this.
Please read this:
http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/7-how-to-create-a-good-unusual-price-suggestion/
Not to be rude, but... Don't go telling me what to read. I know what I'm doing dude. I have more Unusual suggestions passed then you.
Why don't you read these.
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5226761d4f96f4a16b8b4568
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/522671f54f96f4d3368b4568
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5225e4004f96f4341b8b4568
All passed with proof that is old, as long as it does not pass the last suggestion in time and is well explained.
You should read it, and not freak out when I try to help.
"• ✖ DO NOT use outdated proof. How old is outdated? That can vary from unusual to unusual, depending on how rare it is and how often it is traded. A good length of time is 1 month. Try not to provide proof older than 1 month if at all possible."
Please stop acting so arrogant towards those who are trying to help.
I'm not freaking out. Why don't you stop being a hipocrit?
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52285f414f96f465488b4568
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12341674 - 2 Months Old.
You are using older than 1 Month Proof as well.
That's a Secret Salty Dog... Secret is the third hardest to sell effect, and the Salty is the third hardest to sell solly hat. 1 month proof is fine on that one. It varies a lot.
Trade was closed 1 month ago, and the offer of the Conquistador is a month old. It is also a rarer hat than a Nuts Hard Top.
If you can use older than "1 Month Proof" and it varies, I can do the same as well.
Now that just seems arrogant.
Jazz, this is going no where :3
The 10 key sale was too long ago.
Also with offers and more sales of 11 keys, it's better to put up 11 keys flat, imo.
weak proof for 10 keys low end. Downvote.
As discussed in the comments, 3 months ago is too long ago to include for this kind of unusual, particularly when 10 keys shows strong signs of being a quicksell (plenty of untaken offers for higher on existing trades). 10 keys should not be included in range.