Suggestion: Steaming Professional's Panama at 12.95–16.19 keys

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~14 keys

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So there are 3 open suggestions for this. All of them inaccurate.

dafuq, I mean, the price is not even THAT outdated (2 months is not outdated by any means on a cancer hat). Also, Avery ignored quite a few recent sales.

5 on the market, 4 are duped (hell who would dupe a cancer)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13160831

Apparently sold for 14 keys. Item history doesn't really help that much...

http://backpack.tf/id/76561198077969288?time=1375081200 and http://backpack.tf/id/76561198077969288?time=1374994800

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14236646

No offers

--Duped--

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14079849

Sold for 15 keys (note that an s. shotgun was sold simultaneously, hence the 2 extra keys)

http://backpack.tf/id/76561197983299312?time=1377932400 and http://backpack.tf/id/76561197983299312?time=1378018800

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14243622

No notable offers.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14249334

Sold for a Nuts Birdcage (~12 keys)

http://backpack.tf/id/76561198033545788?time=1378450800 and http://backpack.tf/id/76561198033545788?time=1378537200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251281

No offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9498025

6 months old trade, pretty much made up of quickbuyers and retracted offers. Latest offer was a Nuts Trilby (~15 keys), but it was retracted, so it's not valid.

Its other dupe was last seen during March.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13537792

Sold for a Nuts Yellow Belt (~14 keys)

http://backpack.tf/id/76561197961847094?time=1376290800 and http://backpack.tf/id/76561197961847094?time=1376550000

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14008196

Was sold for a Bubbling Crocleather Slouch (~18 keys), according to history on http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14243042

~~But there's no history avaiable on bp.tf within those days, so it's impossible to see if any sweets were added.~~

http://backpack.tf/id/76561198063681799?time=1378018800 and http://backpack.tf/id/76561198063681799?time=1378537200

Actually, buyer just put up a trade containg some items previously owned by Mala, possibly sweets. ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14180550 )

There's a G. Hero's Tail, G. Purity Fist, G. Aperture Labs Hard Hat, (business pants) V. Demoman's Fro and a V. Stove Pipe.

In total it's around 5 keys. If the trade was like mentioned then the value of the Panama is ~13 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14178486

No notable offers.

Basically just a refresh.

You're changing it from 12-15 keys to... 12-15 keys?

"If an unusual price is outdated (2 months+ old) you are allowed to suggest the same price as the current one to “bump” or “refresh” it. Price bumps still require proof. Do not refresh non-unusual items. Outdated prices are clearly identified on the unusual price list."

I see, thanks for informing me of this.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9498025

Rejected 16 keys pure (offer is more current than last suggestion) and more recently rejected bliz scotch bonnet (16 keys with overpay) + crate 50 (4 keys) + a key in sweets (like 20 keys roughly accounting all the overpay)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14008196

1 week old, rejected 16 keys pure

If the owner of the hat ONE WEEK AGO REJECTED 16 KEYS PURE...then why isn't 16 keys or higher in the range?

Goddamn it read ffs

Both offers were RETRACTED not REJECTED, and thus are invalid. That's why 16 is not included.

If anything the first offer is just too old to be even considered

How was the second link I included 'retracted'? The owner of the HAT said 'hmm, maybe, I'll think on it' then hid the trade and below said 'nevermind'.

The first link also had a REJECTION of 16 keys. http://imgur.com/OXqHgLL

Also, the rejection is more current than the last update of this hat, so it's really perfectly valid, even more so considering that the second link just a week old rejected an offer of 16 keys.

Just stop trying kiddy. You're trying too hard to make it seem like you know what you're talking about when you're just spouting nonsense.

do you really think a 2 months old offer is valid?

the more recent one, as i said, is definetely invalid, since the owner actually sold for less, and the offerer bought something else, the items from both parties were unavailable, the offer is not vailid

I'm not talking nonsense, I do know what i'm talking about. You're no one to call me a kiddy, I'm already 19, I'm not even trying hard

This is what happened:

> 'Hey I'll offer 16 keys'

> 'No thanks I'll pass on that'

> later on

> get an offer of a hat worth 16 to 18 keys

> he takes that

I don't see how this is hard to understand. He rejected 16 pure keys, the owner of the keys bought something else, and the owner of the panama got a hat worth 16 to 18 keys (still 16 keys with overpay). Derp.

You're still ignoring the fact that the guy with the panama added 5 keys of sweets. DERP

You're still ignoring that fact that the guy with the panama REJECTED 16 keys and then settled for a better hat and added a bunch of impossible to sell items. In actuality, genuines/vintages are just about impossible to sell, and while I'm not saying that they aren't about 4.5 keys total, that does play a part in him just wanting to get rid of the cancers.

And so? The 16 key offerer BOUGHT another hat before he was even rejected. It's invalid no matter what.

Besides, the stuff he added is actually worth 6 keys in total according to backpack.tf, I'm saying it's 5 keys because, as you said, genuines and vintages are hard sales, not to mention the item overpay.

Stop trying to make that offer vaild when it's obviously not.

Actually worth 6 keys according to BP.TF?

Let's do some elementary math here:

Fro: 6 ref + Fist: 3 ref + Hero: 11 ref + Stove: 5.55 ref + Hard Hat: 4 ref = 29.55 ref at MIDDLE VALUES. Which is 5 keys basically with NO OVERPAY. With overpay, that's more like 4.5 keys.

Blatant lies everywhere. Also I like how you are able to click dislike buttons. I am too.

"blatant lies"

G. Hero's Tail (1.9 keys), G. Purity Fist (3 ref) , G. Aperture Labs Hard Hat (4 ref), (business pants) V. Demoman's Fro (1.2 keys) and a V. Stove Pipe (0.9 keys)

5.2 keys

meh my math was wrong, I did it overnight anyway.

btw, speaking of blatant lies, I didn't dislike any of that, I'd puush it if I was able to, it's just that puush is down.

if anything, if the owner SOLD it for less, when he had that offer available (which in the end wasn't even available), why didn't he take it?

Besides, your suggestion is already wrong, given that the 18 keys offer was not valid. there's nothing else to support anything higher. Would anyone be willing to pay more than 15 keys for a cancer unusual?

Is it also some kind of coincidence the panama is the only hat without a B/O on your trade? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14253887

"You're trying too hard to make it seem like you know what you're talking about when you're just spouting nonsense."

Oh the hypocrisy.

The 2nd offer wasn't retracted, it clearly says "Hidden by trade owner"

Avery already poointed that out.

Bonden didn't have any keys by the time it was sold.

http://backpack.tf/item/1912009150 <- note the last time it was seen

His bp went down by 15 keys, meaning he probably crabbed those keys.

http://backpack.tf/id/76561197983299312?time=1378018800 and http://backpack.tf/id/76561197983299312?time=1378278000

Anyway, the offer is invalid.

BP.TF doesn't go off of 'probably' or bland assumptions that you can't know. This suggestion is shot for both the higher end and lower end are about a key low, if not more.

I'm also confused about how 12 keys would be in the range. For unusuals (the nuts bird cage is 13 to 14) overpay is factored usually by taking the low end, rather than taking the middle price and multiplying it .9. This is usually used in the case of extremely high tier unusuals and extremely small ranged unusuals/low tier unusuals. Not to mention there are literally 0 sellers for 12 keys on the market currently. Just because one guy quicksold for 13 keys doesn't mean there should be a whole change in price due to that.

So much better than the other 3.

Eh, the 14 key one was instasold, so it doesn't really make sense that 12 should be in the range. Your nuts brigade sale was to Avery, who's a quickbuyer. Also, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14008196 offered 16 keys.

if 14 keys instasold, then why didn't 12 sell faster? it's senseless

there's no point in incluiding 16 in the range, as the offerer most likely retracted and bought something else

No, the offer was rejected because it was sold for higher, bubbling crocsleather and the guy with the panama added a few things. Your nuts brigade sale was to avery, who is a quickbuyer, and quicksells can't be used as proof.

implying every single purchase done by a quickbuyer is a quicksell

anyway, the bubbling croc sale is in no way higher than 16 keys, which is invalid anyway

i don't see the point of bumping it up

Bubbling Croc is 18-21 keys

i'm talking about the sale itself, not just the croc

Ok, but you're still missing ignoring that the guy recieved an offer of 16 keys.

I can personally attest and say that I only buy quicksells ever. If it's not a quicksell trade I don't do it.

Also, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14257935 sold for 14

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14243622 offered 14

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9498025 rejected 14

14 should be at the low end

16 is still not doable, will close anyway

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14008196

Offers:

- 16 keys [Bonden37] (6 days old)

- 14 keys [the cat eating chinese] (6 days old)

- 13 keys [V8nny] (3 days)

- 12 keys [SergeyX64] (4 days old)

- 12 keys [CYBORG KHALIFAT] (7 days old)

Pulled from a single trade that was barely up for less than a week. Not to mention all the other sales/offers above 12 keys that you have listed yourself. 12 keys is quicksell buyer price and is not acceptable in range. The fact that you cannot realize at this point in your backpack.tf pricing career is just sad.

Downvote.

Chigga's suggestion is highly more accurate than this one.